I've had run ins mostly with sesac for the last year. I stream video of folks singing karaoke from a bar called 7 Bamboo here in San Jose California.
I have several problems with giving some body blanket rights to collecting royaltees.
1. They can use whatever broad definition of what requires a license.
Once you give an organization the right to collect royaltees, there is no checks or balances in place to define what entitles them to a royaltee. Remember elevator music? Thanks to the licensing boards going after elevator operators, we no longer hear it. How in the world is elevator music making someone money? It's not, it's stupid.
2. Licensing board broad collection schemes.
I read over the sesac contract very carefully. Basically, I pay based on the number of hits my website gets in a month. What does hits have to do with the number of viewers on the video stream? Nothing, the two are completely unrelated. I could see paying based on my stream traffic, but not on the number of hits I get on the site. If they wanted to make me pay based on my ttsl reports Unfortunately me and the license boards don't see eye to eye on this one.
3. Just plain old greed.
The bar I work for already pays ascap/bmi/sesac public performance fees. They pay a total of $1500@year. Isn't that enough? Why do they want more for the stream? It's just stupid.
4. Lack of disclosure from the licensing boards.
I think licensing boards should be *required* to tell folks exactly what would make them exempt from licensing fees. Unfortunatly this is not the case, they are more interested in getting you to sign a contract (which basically gives up all your rights) instead of telling you what does and does not count as copyright.
I found several sections of the US copyright law that gives me exemptions in the case with karaoke streaming on the net. There's several sections 110-117 which deal all with copyright exemptions. Parody, it's not the real singer or the real background music and it's free to watch. Also there is cultural exemption (We're a Japanese owned karaoke bar, karaoke is from japan) Despite me pointing these out to sesac on several occasions, they're still very insistant that I pay royaltees for the stream./end stupid licensing rant
Anyways, licensing boards need to operate more like a goverment agency than a glass tower of lawyers (which is exactly what they are now) Their only interest is money, and there is no limit to where they will go to collect it. They will lie, use scare tactics, and do everything short of sending hired goons to collect it.
On top of that, lawyers are not techies. Letting a group of lawyers define the law on anything technical is a *bad* thing.
In almost every picture, the guy is with a girl. I think the creator of ifoundsomeofyourlife must not have a girlfriend, so obviously seeing someone who in every single picture has a hot chick standing next to him, has made this webmaster hate.
The technology in a Canadian banknote rivals that
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The technology in a Canadian banknote rivals that of cellphones and other gadgets it shares pockets and purses with, putting the machinery and technical skill needed to exactly reproduce anti-counterfeit features beyond the reach of those who would thwart them.
So how long before we see Canadian dollars running BSD? Will a beowulf cluster make my money work for me?
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Seriously.
I've seen many posts on "where's alviso" but lets take a moment to talk about what alviso really is.
Alviso used to be a boat landing for "The Valley of Hearts Delights" elite long before it became the foul smelling place that it is today. Santa Clara County built a sewage treatment plant there, and coincidentally, the elite did not like mooring up to a dock that constantly smelled like human excrement.
Later the alviso landfill was built, to even further add to the cornicopia of smells that arose from that stinky marsh.
Eventually alviso was populated by low income families (GANG BANGERS) and the SJ Norte's. The whole town fell into complete disrepair and despite the cities best efforts to convert it into a low lease technology park, it still remains what it is.
Slightly OT but there was an ABC after school special in the 80's starring Alyssa Milano (Who's the boss) and Fred Gwynne (Munsters frankenstien dude) where Fred Gwynne played a southern judge who took justice a little too far by locking up juviniles for minor crimes in adult jails. Alyssa Milano was locked away for some minor violation, and subsequentially molested by a guard there.
Charges were filed against Fred Gwynnes character, and while they were cross examining him, they brought up an old case where he locked up 2 8 year olds for "vandalism" for drawing hopscotch on the sidewalk with chalk.
Oh, and the story was based on real a real story. So yes, girls have been locked up for drawing hopscotch on the sidewalk (by insane southern frankenstien judges)
"Oh the mac has such superior hardware!" While this may have been true for a time, since the PCI bus has been around the mac has fallen behind. Macs used to ship with all SCSI drives, but now ship with standard IDE. Now with PCI express out, how soon before I hear a mac user try and tell me "WE HAD IT FIRST!"
"Mac is best for desktop publishing" Quark runs on PC and mac. So does photoshop, so does every other major application put out by adobe.
"Mac is best for video editing" Mac *WAS* the only choice a few years back. Look at the renderfarms being built today though. Teams of MBA's and geeks go for the biggest bang for the buck, and i've yet to hear of a renderfarm on a major movie using a mac cluster. Final Cut is a good app for home/prosumer video editors, but for serious work like ILM LOTR stuff, get a renderfarm of PC's.
"MacOS is so easy to use" I don't see much difference in ease of use between MacOS and XP. Then again, i'm a sysadmin, I can care less about the UI, just tell me where my network settings are so I can go to work.
"OSX uses the machBSD kernel" Why not just run BSD and get it over with?
Between the lack of applications, the constantly playing catch up with the PC, and the general FUD mac users like to spread, they're not all that bright. Most PC users I know use a PC because they don't buy into all that Mac FUD. Like that rap song goes, "Don't believe the hype"
This wasn't interesting enough for the slash editors to publish. Go figure. My opinion, as a internet TV operator is that all TV will move to the internet, just as rabbit ear television moved to cable. Nuff said.
Broadband and computers will get cheaper, and the home experience will rival that of the cafe one.
Internet Cafe's have the same exact problem as the arcades of the 80's and 90's. They will need to think "outside the box" in order to get people to continue to pump money into them. Arcades did it by offering experiences that just could not be brought back into the home, i.e. slick interfaces (DDR) or cockpits that truly immerse the player into the experience.
I've watched 2 Lan Centers (places to play q3a, CS, ect) close down this year. I looked into starting my own lan center once, but the cost of the competition, plus the costs of hardware, leases, insurance, and monthly licensing for the games themselves came out to about a 2k profit per month, hardly more than I make now and definetly not worth the risk.
Lan centers, and internet cafe's need to be more than just a place where one can browse the web, get a cup of joe, and eat a cheese danish. In order to survive, they need to offer an experience that cannot be replicated in the home.
(Shameless plug warning) The karaoke bar I work for is doing it right. We were even featured in the New York Times yesterday. This month i'm ordering a few kiosks for the place. It offers more than just web access, what we offer is a social experience that will never be duplicated in the home. I'm not saying internet cafe's should offer video streaming of people singing karaoke, but rather they need too offer their clients a way to communicate and participate with people around the globe in more than a "point and click" fashion.
I don't see what everyone is crying about certs costing money for. Seeing as how i've setup online shops for several people using certs, I think for what they do, the cost is justified.
Not just anyone can get a CA cert. You have to be a business, I know verisign wants a copy of your business license, ect before they even issue you a cert.
Now we got this "open CA". Who is going to check if these are legitimate businesses? Will there be any checks done at all, or will it just be "by the truckload" as the headline said?
I'm all for saving a buck as much as the next guy, but when I shop online, knowing that the cert came from a trusted source that actually checks if it's issuing a cert to a legitimate business like verisign or thawte puts my mind, as well as the minds of a lot of others.
I used too produce stuff like this on my atari what.. 15 or more years ago, in basic. I'm not impressed in the slightest. Thumbs down for an image that looks like it could have been produced by my little brother with a crayon.
Now if you truly want some cool abstract art, try debris by Brennen Underwood of nullsoft fame. For some reason it has a tendancy too gather porn pictures in the images it creates. Is it because there's a lot of porn on the net? Or is it because nullsoft = sex. Try it for yourself and you tell me.
Maybe I should have done the NYT registration thing, and read the article, but the board is in japanese!
I work with japanese, and I understand a few words, but I just can't see what the hubbub about this article on a japanese board that I can't even read is.
Here is a very active forum of trolls and flames in english if anyone is interested.
2001 laid off, 2002 unemployment ran out, got a job as a door man at a karaoke bar. 2003 said screw it and started my own consulting gig with my partner.
Against the advice of a lot of people, we did it legit, we got our business licenses in order, we incorporated, got company bank accounts, the works.
Now we may not be working 40hrs a week at $13@hr. We maybe get 8 hours here @ 75, another 4 or 2 here and there, but having the freedom too do what you want with your company (and it's credit) is more fun than slaving away for the full 40 hours a week.
Now after a full year and a first tax return, we've officially made it past that first year of business that most businesses fail in. (most businesses don't survive past 6 months, with a partnership they die even faster) I guess i'm lucky, my partner and I have been friends since we were kids, and we really compliment each other out on the job site.
Sure its silly, but its fun, and I never would have been able to do a project like this working for somebody else. My advice, print some cards, get some business licenses, and promote yourself.
A rotten apple in the barrel spoils the bunch they say.
Real has been under a lot of scrutiny (especially here on/.) over their "free" player that's hard to find on their site. The "Hidden" options in the installer that you have to scroll down too see, and gouging stream providers on using their tools.
I think Jobs just didn't want to soil apples image.
The US goverment sprays columbian drug fields Don't mark me troll if you disagree, please respond. I think it would be great for the drug cartels if they could apply this technology towards their drug crops as a deterrent to congress for taking money from schools to pull shit like this.
Knowing congress though, they would probably send some funds to research some new "Super-Herbacide" that gives the fish a third eye.
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i don't even think the exploit is in our code
ron, is the exploit in the decoder?
isn't it in mikmod
When is the Mac version of this exploit coming out?
I am so tired of waiting.
hehe
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`steev: the exploit was in the mikmod library that's used by in_mod for xm decoding
so its not even our code heh
yeah
there you go
it's not even our fault the exploit exists
So this isn't even a winamp bug, it's a mikmod bug.
No, no and no. Pacbell is a bunch of lying cocksuckers.
they deal with more shit than you would want to know
Uhhm, lets see here, i've worked support for the ricochet wireless modem, i've been an IT networking guy for 10 years... So what is it you think I don't know about the business? That management says "Let's use vantive" because someone else they think is smart said "lets use vantive?" Or that the girl who gives the best head gets the promotions? Or how about %90 of tech support is just reading a script and has no real world working knowledge of the product they're supporting?
And yes, the tech lied. He's a lying scumbag plain and simple. The router was set to PPPOE and everytime I refreshed the connection the IP on the wan side would be completely different. If they didn't have the "business DSL" service, he should have told them before charging them for a "business DSL" setup.
Maybe we deserve to have all these call centers outsourced to india. Most of the call centers I worked at you were lucky if you could find someone that knew how to tie their shoes, let alone walk a customer through something over the phone.
Yes, because as we all know, Comcast means Quality.
I know you're trying to kid around about comcast, but despite all the horror stories i've heard about their cable modem offerings, i've had nothing but "good service" from them.
I used to have pacbell DSL. Routinely I would come home to find that stupid green light blinking while the damn thing tried to keep a connection. Sometimes it would go out for 3 or 4 days, any you would think pacbell would have prorated my bill due to service disruptions, never happened. Everytime I would call them I could never get a human without going through some hellish voicemail maze that some sado masochist set up.
Comcast on the other hand, i've only experienced maybe 1 or 2 short outages that would last no longer than a few seconds at the most. On top of that they bumped everyone up to 3mbps now.
Also, pacbell techs LIE. I was setting up a mandrake MNF vpn to one of my customers remote offices. Supposidly they had been set up on static IP's, and the pacbell tech that set it up charged them for that type of setup. After a few hours of trying to replace their linksys with the MNF and pings timing out, I discovered the truth by peeking inside the linksys... The tech had lied, there was no static IP's allocated to that line. Yet he charged them for it anyways.
So even though you got a funny on that comment, it's the truth. Compared to pacbell (which may not really be "quality" to begin with) comcast is quality.
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I've had run ins mostly with sesac for the last year. I stream video of folks singing karaoke from a bar called 7 Bamboo here in San Jose California.
/end stupid licensing rant
I have several problems with giving some body blanket rights to collecting royaltees.
1. They can use whatever broad definition of what requires a license.
Once you give an organization the right to collect royaltees, there is no checks or balances in place to define what entitles them to a royaltee. Remember elevator music? Thanks to the licensing boards going after elevator operators, we no longer hear it. How in the world is elevator music making someone money? It's not, it's stupid.
2. Licensing board broad collection schemes.
I read over the sesac contract very carefully. Basically, I pay based on the number of hits my website gets in a month. What does hits have to do with the number of viewers on the video stream? Nothing, the two are completely unrelated. I could see paying based on my stream traffic, but not on the number of hits I get on the site. If they wanted to make me pay based on my ttsl reports Unfortunately me and the license boards don't see eye to eye on this one.
3. Just plain old greed.
The bar I work for already pays ascap/bmi/sesac public performance fees. They pay a total of $1500@year. Isn't that enough? Why do they want more for the stream? It's just stupid.
4. Lack of disclosure from the licensing boards.
I think licensing boards should be *required* to tell folks exactly what would make them exempt from licensing fees. Unfortunatly this is not the case, they are more interested in getting you to sign a contract (which basically gives up all your rights) instead of telling you what does and does not count as copyright.
I found several sections of the US copyright law that gives me exemptions in the case with karaoke streaming on the net. There's several sections 110-117 which deal all with copyright exemptions. Parody, it's not the real singer or the real background music and it's free to watch. Also there is cultural exemption (We're a Japanese owned karaoke bar, karaoke is from japan) Despite me pointing these out to sesac on several occasions, they're still very insistant that I pay royaltees for the stream.
Anyways, licensing boards need to operate more like a goverment agency than a glass tower of lawyers (which is exactly what they are now) Their only interest is money, and there is no limit to where they will go to collect it. They will lie, use scare tactics, and do everything short of sending hired goons to collect it.
On top of that, lawyers are not techies. Letting a group of lawyers define the law on anything technical is a *bad* thing.
Ok, end rant. Watch my karaoke station.
In almost every picture, the guy is with a girl. I think the creator of ifoundsomeofyourlife must not have a girlfriend, so obviously seeing someone who in every single picture has a hot chick standing next to him, has made this webmaster hate.
So how long before we see Canadian dollars running BSD? Will a beowulf cluster make my money work for me?
Seriously.
I've seen many posts on "where's alviso" but lets take a moment to talk about what alviso really is.
Alviso used to be a boat landing for "The Valley of Hearts Delights" elite long before it became the foul smelling place that it is today. Santa Clara County built a sewage treatment plant there, and coincidentally, the elite did not like mooring up to a dock that constantly smelled like human excrement.
Later the alviso landfill was built, to even further add to the cornicopia of smells that arose from that stinky marsh.
Eventually alviso was populated by low income families (GANG BANGERS) and the SJ Norte's. The whole town fell into complete disrepair and despite the cities best efforts to convert it into a low lease technology park, it still remains what it is.
The armpit of silicon valley.
I used Linux, TerminatorX a broken optical mouse and a $10 used turntable I bought from a grandmotherly looking ladies garage sale.
Picture here
Slightly OT but there was an ABC after school special in the 80's starring Alyssa Milano (Who's the boss) and Fred Gwynne (Munsters frankenstien dude) where Fred Gwynne played a southern judge who took justice a little too far by locking up juviniles for minor crimes in adult jails. Alyssa Milano was locked away for some minor violation, and subsequentially molested by a guard there.
Charges were filed against Fred Gwynnes character, and while they were cross examining him, they brought up an old case where he locked up 2 8 year olds for "vandalism" for drawing hopscotch on the sidewalk with chalk.
Oh, and the story was based on real a real story. So yes, girls have been locked up for drawing hopscotch on the sidewalk (by insane southern frankenstien judges)
PEE CEE
^---urine
"Oh the mac has such superior hardware!"
While this may have been true for a time, since the PCI bus has been around the mac has fallen behind. Macs used to ship with all SCSI drives, but now ship with standard IDE. Now with PCI express out, how soon before I hear a mac user try and tell me "WE HAD IT FIRST!"
"Mac is best for desktop publishing"
Quark runs on PC and mac. So does photoshop, so does every other major application put out by adobe.
"Mac is best for video editing"
Mac *WAS* the only choice a few years back. Look at the renderfarms being built today though. Teams of MBA's and geeks go for the biggest bang for the buck, and i've yet to hear of a renderfarm on a major movie using a mac cluster. Final Cut is a good app for home/prosumer video editors, but for serious work like ILM LOTR stuff, get a renderfarm of PC's.
"MacOS is so easy to use"
I don't see much difference in ease of use between MacOS and XP. Then again, i'm a sysadmin, I can care less about the UI, just tell me where my network settings are so I can go to work.
"OSX uses the machBSD kernel"
Why not just run BSD and get it over with?
Between the lack of applications, the constantly playing catch up with the PC, and the general FUD mac users like to spread, they're not all that bright. Most PC users I know use a PC because they don't buy into all that Mac FUD. Like that rap song goes, "Don't believe the hype"
The original doom was a 4 player deathmatch. Maybe they just wanted to keep it true to the original DM playstyle.
This wasn't interesting enough for the slash editors to publish. Go figure. My opinion, as a internet TV operator is that all TV will move to the internet, just as rabbit ear television moved to cable. Nuff said.
Broadband and computers will get cheaper, and the home experience will rival that of the cafe one.
Internet Cafe's have the same exact problem as the arcades of the 80's and 90's. They will need to think "outside the box" in order to get people to continue to pump money into them. Arcades did it by offering experiences that just could not be brought back into the home, i.e. slick interfaces (DDR) or cockpits that truly immerse the player into the experience.
I've watched 2 Lan Centers (places to play q3a, CS, ect) close down this year. I looked into starting my own lan center once, but the cost of the competition, plus the costs of hardware, leases, insurance, and monthly licensing for the games themselves came out to about a 2k profit per month, hardly more than I make now and definetly not worth the risk.
Lan centers, and internet cafe's need to be more than just a place where one can browse the web, get a cup of joe, and eat a cheese danish. In order to survive, they need to offer an experience that cannot be replicated in the home.
(Shameless plug warning) The karaoke bar I work for is doing it right. We were even featured in the New York Times yesterday. This month i'm ordering a few kiosks for the place. It offers more than just web access, what we offer is a social experience that will never be duplicated in the home. I'm not saying internet cafe's should offer video streaming of people singing karaoke, but rather they need too offer their clients a way to communicate and participate with people around the globe in more than a "point and click" fashion.
I don't see what everyone is crying about certs costing money for. Seeing as how i've setup online shops for several people using certs, I think for what they do, the cost is justified.
Not just anyone can get a CA cert. You have to be a business, I know verisign wants a copy of your business license, ect before they even issue you a cert.
Now we got this "open CA". Who is going to check if these are legitimate businesses? Will there be any checks done at all, or will it just be "by the truckload" as the headline said?
I'm all for saving a buck as much as the next guy, but when I shop online, knowing that the cert came from a trusted source that actually checks if it's issuing a cert to a legitimate business like verisign or thawte puts my mind, as well as the minds of a lot of others.
Hey folks...
Badmofo is getting hit pretty hard, i've set up a mirror here . If you're having problems accessing badmofo, just use my mirror.
(PS Sorry if this hit you too hard Brennen)
--toq
I used too produce stuff like this on my atari what.. 15 or more years ago, in basic. I'm not impressed in the slightest. Thumbs down for an image that looks like it could have been produced by my little brother with a crayon.
Now if you truly want some cool abstract art, try debris by Brennen Underwood of nullsoft fame. For some reason it has a tendancy too gather porn pictures in the images it creates. Is it because there's a lot of porn on the net? Or is it because nullsoft = sex. Try it for yourself and you tell me.
Maybe I should have done the NYT registration thing, and read the article, but the board is in japanese!
I work with japanese, and I understand a few words, but I just can't see what the hubbub about this article on a japanese board that I can't even read is.
Here is a very active forum of trolls and flames in english if anyone is interested.
Action was a C like launguage for the atari, i think FTE (fine tuned engineering) made it. Do I get a cookie?
$1300 @ year. The owner started paying them years ago soon as he got his first visit.
2001 laid off, 2002 unemployment ran out, got a job as a door man at a karaoke bar. 2003 said screw it and started my own consulting gig with my partner.
Against the advice of a lot of people, we did it legit, we got our business licenses in order, we incorporated, got company bank accounts, the works.
Now we may not be working 40hrs a week at $13@hr. We maybe get 8 hours here @ 75, another 4 or 2 here and there, but having the freedom too do what you want with your company (and it's credit) is more fun than slaving away for the full 40 hours a week.
Now after a full year and a first tax return, we've officially made it past that first year of business that most businesses fail in. (most businesses don't survive past 6 months, with a partnership they die even faster) I guess i'm lucky, my partner and I have been friends since we were kids, and we really compliment each other out on the job site.
Now going back to freedom to do what you want with your company, remember how I said "2002 got a job as a doorman at a karaoke bar"? Well, now we have that very same bar hooked up with DSL and we're streaming video of people singing karaoke every tuesday-sunday night
Sure its silly, but its fun, and I never would have been able to do a project like this working for somebody else. My advice, print some cards, get some business licenses, and promote yourself.
A rotten apple in the barrel spoils the bunch they say.
/.) over their "free" player that's hard to find on their site. The "Hidden" options in the installer that you have to scroll down too see, and gouging stream providers on using their tools.
Real has been under a lot of scrutiny (especially here on
I think Jobs just didn't want to soil apples image.
The US goverment sprays columbian drug fields Don't mark me troll if you disagree, please respond. I think it would be great for the drug cartels if they could apply this technology towards their drug crops as a deterrent to congress for taking money from schools to pull shit like this.
Knowing congress though, they would probably send some funds to research some new "Super-Herbacide" that gives the fish a third eye.
My nose is indispensable OTJ. If a network card stops working, or is flaky I simply pop it out and smell for burned silicon.
I found it works with routers, switches, hubs and servers too.
Slashdot, it really whips the apples llama in the ass to think different in soviet russia.
3. Profit!
Imagine a beowulf cluster of ml_ipod plugins.
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i don't even think the exploit is in our code
ron, is the exploit in the decoder?
isn't it in mikmod
When is the Mac version of this exploit coming out?
I am so tired of waiting.
hehe
i don't think we even wrote that xm decoder
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`steev: the exploit was in the mikmod library that's used by in_mod for xm decoding
so its not even our code heh
yeah
there you go
it's not even our fault the exploit exists
So this isn't even a winamp bug, it's a mikmod bug.
Any game with michael jackson in it is just plain weird.
chill, and don't knock tech support folks.
No, no and no. Pacbell is a bunch of lying cocksuckers.
they deal with more shit than you would want to know
Uhhm, lets see here, i've worked support for the ricochet wireless modem, i've been an IT networking guy for 10 years... So what is it you think I don't know about the business? That management says "Let's use vantive" because someone else they think is smart said "lets use vantive?" Or that the girl who gives the best head gets the promotions? Or how about %90 of tech support is just reading a script and has no real world working knowledge of the product they're supporting?
And yes, the tech lied. He's a lying scumbag plain and simple. The router was set to PPPOE and everytime I refreshed the connection the IP on the wan side would be completely different. If they didn't have the "business DSL" service, he should have told them before charging them for a "business DSL" setup.
Maybe we deserve to have all these call centers outsourced to india. Most of the call centers I worked at you were lucky if you could find someone that knew how to tie their shoes, let alone walk a customer through something over the phone.
Yes, because as we all know, Comcast means Quality.
I know you're trying to kid around about comcast, but despite all the horror stories i've heard about their cable modem offerings, i've had nothing but "good service" from them.
I used to have pacbell DSL. Routinely I would come home to find that stupid green light blinking while the damn thing tried to keep a connection. Sometimes it would go out for 3 or 4 days, any you would think pacbell would have prorated my bill due to service disruptions, never happened. Everytime I would call them I could never get a human without going through some hellish voicemail maze that some sado masochist set up.
Comcast on the other hand, i've only experienced maybe 1 or 2 short outages that would last no longer than a few seconds at the most. On top of that they bumped everyone up to 3mbps now.
Also, pacbell techs LIE. I was setting up a mandrake MNF vpn to one of my customers remote offices. Supposidly they had been set up on static IP's, and the pacbell tech that set it up charged them for that type of setup. After a few hours of trying to replace their linksys with the MNF and pings timing out, I discovered the truth by peeking inside the linksys... The tech had lied, there was no static IP's allocated to that line. Yet he charged them for it anyways.
So even though you got a funny on that comment, it's the truth. Compared to pacbell (which may not really be "quality" to begin with) comcast is quality.