A multi-platform OS, it can run standalone, as a virtual machine on every major OS (including every linux distro) and give full blown access to the system? Plus it can run in a sort of transparent mode so you can port your app to it and have your app appear to be a native app?
(snip)
So in one sweep we have a solution suitable (sounds like it carries 1mb ram overhead) for most applications. Anything written for it magically runs on every major platform, it's highly scriptable and carries most of the magic of Unix packed with it wherever it's run from.
If it's significantly faster than Java I'd say we have a solution to the multi-distro problem as far as apps go.
While I was reading your summary, it sounded like the makings of some kind of super virus to me.
Well, let's say that cisco has allocated x people for code-auditing, and that they've had y years to do so (something like 15 and 15, probably?) And because their products need to be secure, they fixed anything those people found wrong.
Surely that means that to find a vulnerability, any would-be cracker would have to spend at least as long on auditing as cisco did themselves unless they happen to be very lucky, or unless there are problems easily-visible in the source-code that cisco haven't fixed. So we wouldn't expect any exploit to be seen in the near future?
Except that Cisco has no real incentive to find bugs in their code, whereas a cracker does. Motivation makes a huge difference. And why would Cisco need to do strict audits on their code? Nobody outside the company will ever see it. Right?
Uhm...Miyazaki-san himself has said that he wrote Spirited Away for 12-year-old girls. You're confusing the cultural disconnect with audience. Granted, Japanese animated films in general tend to have a higher degree of maturity than American ones do...but that doesn't mean they're for an older audience.
Hmm. Didn't know that. Interesting though, how a movie written for a 12-year old girl in another country can seem so mature, while movies written for 12-year-olds in the US seem vapid and utterly childish. I plead ignorance on the cultural disconnect, but I am giving Miyazaki no more credit than he deserves. Spirited Away was a great movie, whereas Finding Nemo is a great kid's movie. For some reason, I find the need to qualify it.
In sensible countries, when you get to university you can drink in the pub like civilised human beings. Much better choice of drink, too.
I am not disagreeing with you, but I can't help that I grew up in the U.S. I was highly uncivilized when I was in college, but that was over 11 years ago. Unfortunately, my country as a whole hasn't grown up since then.:-(
No adult content? Go watch Pixar's movies again. They CLEARLY have written in content for adults in all of their movies. Pixar is obviosly gearing movies for mainstream, that involves children and adults. Why limit a movie to one crowd(adults or children)? The super success of Finding Nemo was BECAUSE it was aimed at children and adults.
I think you hit the nail on the head - but not how you intended. I love Pixar's movies, but they are clearly written for kids. Like you said, they WRITE IN CONTENT FOR ADULTS. I agree with the parent poster, that I would like to see a movie from Pixar where the adult content wasn't an afterthought. Think "Spirited Away". It is appropriate for adults and kids, but doesn't feel like a kids movie with a few jokes thrown in for the parents. Finding Nemo was good, but it was still a kids movie.
Sure, they are a kickass animation studio, but let's not forget that they make movies to MAKE MONEY. Where is the money? Product tie-ins. Granted, if the movie tanks their products sit on the shelves, so they do have to make a decent movie first. This has been the MO for kids moviemakers for quite a while now. It has been very obvious for a long time and is starting to become pathetic (Cat in the Hat anyone?). But parents lap it up. There is already Shrek 2 merchandise on the market.
Hey, that is the movie business, not much room for integrity.
more than 80% of terrestrial life?
more than 95% of marine life?
that would mean that whatever we have today, evolved from >20% / >5% of those species that survived?
that's a whole lotta evolution if you ask me.
I guess it depends on if you believe the article,which says % of LIFE, or the poster's interpretation which assumed it meant % of all SPECIES.
...now all I use it for is MAME! XBMP rules too, but it is hard to get used to the joystick as a means of controlling it. I should just break down and buy a DVD remote.
You really should get an XArcade controller for MAME. You can even get an XBox adapter to use it with your Xbox. (I use mine with my PC) It isn't *quite* the same as the arcade games, but about as close as you'll get without having the original game.
FYI, you'll probably get modded as a troll, as will I, but that is the nature of this site when you don't step in line with the popular opinion.
I bought the book (collective hitchhiker's guide) several years ago, but haven't read it yet. I keep meaning to start it, but in all honesty the thing that is keeping me from it is the hype and the fans. All I hear about is how awesome it is, and see references to it that people around here seem to think are hilarious. If you question anything about it you are lambasted and marked a troll. It almost makes me not want to read it, because who would want to read a book with followers like that? I hate to say it, but the LOTR fans do the same thing. I never read the books, but anything that wasn't a glowing comment about the movies was met with scorn from fans. I just don't get that kind of devotion. Maybe if I read the books I would get it, but I am not sure I even want to.
I don't have to tell you what that kind of thinking usually leads to, do I? (hints: crusades, 9/11, war, torture, genocide, holocaust, terrorism)
And let's not leave out good ol' GWB. He is right up there with the rest of the religious nuts. How do you know when to start a war? Talk to Jesus. Get into an argument with your mother about if you can get into heaven without accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior, what do you do? You call up the Rev Billy Graham to come over and mediate your argument. Read more...
5 years ago we all would have peed our pants in delight if any mainstream computer magazine even mentioned Linux. Now we are to the point we can complain about the content of what they say about Linux (holy crap, sorry - GNU/Linux) apps, and argue about the finer points.
Can't wait to see what we'll be complaining about in 5 more years.:-)
You look like a good kid. I'll let you off with a warning this time. Just don't do it again!;-)
Heck, who would have thought that my submission would have been accepted?! I mean, everything was spelled correctly, I didn't blame Microsoft, and the story hadn't been posted yet.:-)
Then why didn't the article poster say that instead? Sheesh.;-)
Ahem. I can field that one...:-)
OK, I probably should have used the word "perception" instead of "estimation", because the estimates were about 2.5x.
Here is what it did say in the article:
Here's how that announcement came about. I asked someone we were considering hiring why he wanted to come work for us. His response was, "I hang out on the kernel list and it is obvious that Linus is ten times more effective since he switched to BitKeeper." That sounded pretty nice, but I didn't believe it. I knew things were better, but ten times better? That sounded a little too good to be true.
I know some of the senior kernel people personally so I started asking around. I spoke with Dave Miller, Jeff Garzik, Greg Kroah-Hartman, Andrew Morton, and Linus about this. Dave was the first person I spoke with and he said that he thought that 10x wasn't at all unlikely, and it was certainly 8x. Interesting. So I talked to Jeff and his comment was, "Oh, man, it's so much better, it has to be 10x." Greg had a fairly similar reaction.
Its the first of the signs of the Apocalypse: Doom III appears; then Duke Nukem Forever gets a release; then Hell Freezes Over; then Taco actually checks slashdot before posting another dupe; Then the world is destroyed in a great conflagration, the dead rise, the Messiah returns, four Horsemen, yadda, yadda, yadda
Isn't "Linux takes over the desktop" somewhere in there?
Its a stupid suggestion, and it would be a time wasting obstacle if any of them took you seriously. I'd rather those kernel developers working on making the kernel work and work better, than writing up a teaching tool so YOU can understand whether you should upgrade your kernel.
Please work on your reading comprehension. I never said the kernel developers should do this. You are part of the problem - both because of your attitude and because you don't understand why you are part of the problem. A knee-jerk, bitter coder who has an extremely high opinion of himself.
Because kernel hackers have better things to do with their time than spoon-feed their changelogs for you. Most are not being paid to make things clearer to you. Linux activity focuses on improving OS operation, not to be a teaching tool.
If you don't understand coder-speak, you really have no business mucking around with kernel versions. Just let your distribution decide when you should be upgrading your kernel.
Thank you for pointing out the glaring hole in the Linux "community". Like I didn't know that already. Coders are the only ones who should upgrade their kernel? Jeez, do you have huge blinders on. Being able to upgrade the kernel is one of the major strengths of the *nix architecture. I should that?
When Microsoft or BSD or OS X starts producing documentation and source code at the "mature" standard that you require, that will be a good time for Linus to consider such issues.
Because the OSS community cannot lead, they have to follow? What a dumb statement. "That I require?" WTF are you talking about? I made a suggestion, and a minor one at that, about something that I think could be improved upon. Way to blemish the community that you blindly follow.
For some reason I don't think it is a coincidence that intel basically stole BMWs numbering scheme...
heh. If they did, the suits from BMW will be on them like Ballmer on a ham sandwich. They don't like *anyone* messing with their branding. You can't even use the three M colors together in anything BMW related unless you have special permission. The Germans don't play around.
Because Joe User might not even be aware of what the Linux kernel is, nor does he want to know. So why carefully craft release notes for people who aren't interested?
What "carefully craft"? I want to know what has changed in the kernel, in simple understandable language. I don't want a user manual.
You are in the minority of computer users if you know what a kernel is and what sort of things might cause a new release. Since you know that much already, you might as well just learn to code and join the fun.
And you are in an even bigger minority if you do kernel coding. There is a large (and growing) number of people interested in Linux. I have been using it since 1999, but I have yet to hack it. I am an end user of Linux, but a technical one. Before I upgrade my kernel, I would like to know what it offers me. Can I wait for someone to figure out what has changed and post a summary? Yes. But I think it should come from the kernel maintainer. And before you think that "the kernel maintainer has better things to do..." all I have to say is that it would take next to NO effort for the maintainer to summarize the changes to the kernel. This should be the person who knows it best.
In any event, end-user documentation is the responsibility of distro makers, not the kernel dev team.
I agree, but I am not necessarily talking about end-user documentation. I am talking more about power-user documentation. It is at a different (higher) level than hacker-level documentation. I think it would help in getting more people involved in updating their kernel.
I am not bashing, I just see this as a good return-on-investment improvement in the information provided with kernel updates.
I have found that KernelTrap often discusses things in language I can understand, and then it should be quite accessible to many more than kernel hackers...:-)
Absolutely. But that is essentially a third party who figures out what has been changed and writes it up. Shouldn't the providers of the kernel be able to provide that information more readily? I am not suggesting a whitepaper, or a replacement of the current changelog - just a summary supplement at a higher level. Give me the summary with the kernel. That is what I meant by being more mature. While the info at kerneltrap and other places is good, why shouldn't it come from the horse's mouth? If a third party can provide an overview, why couldn't the maintainer of the kernel do the same? They should know it well enough to be able to articulate it at the correct level of detail. There is a huge range of users between "code hackers" and "distro users". The fact that kerneltrap provides an overview is proof enough that it is needed. I just think it would be nice if it came from the source, with the source. And it doesn't have to replace what we currently get, it can just be a higher view.
I don't think it is an unreasonable suggestion. The amount of overhead it would take to create such a summary would be minimal, but I think the benefits would be well worth it.
The audience of the kernel source, I disagree with you, is hard-core people who compile from source for some reason, and developers who customize it.
End users should follow a Linux distribution, and it should be responsibility of the distribution they choose to give them a list of relevant features of a new kernel when they include it in the distro.
I am not suggesting that the current method of changelog be replaced, just that "dumbed down" version, if you will, be provided. Who at the Linux distro is going to "translate" the changelog? We all know how things get missed in translations. Wouldn't it be easier for the distros if there were an official version?
I don't think that the people who can help making Linux more mature really need a simpler changelog. Also, note that the new changelog is automatically generated by the source control software they are using (bitkeeper). Kernel devs can spend more time coding and less time typing boring changelogs... how can this be bad ?
I don't think it should be the developers who would need to do this, it should be the person who manages the kernel. Don't replace what we have now, just supplement it. If the changelog is at 10 feet, give us a look at 100 feet. It has already been said that there are places out there that give good rundowns of the changes. But why should someone else have to do it? Don't you think that the manager of the kernel would be able to summarize things better than a third party? Come on, I am not talking about a whitepaper or anything, but a summary that non-coders can read. There is a wide range of people between "kernel hackers" and "strict distro users". And they are growing.
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Better yet, test the site out by uploading pictures of celebrities, and see which celebrity is says they most closely resemble.
Ugly.
A multi-platform OS, it can run standalone, as a virtual machine on every major OS (including every linux distro) and give full blown access to the system? Plus it can run in a sort of transparent mode so you can port your app to it and have your app appear to be a native app?
(snip)
So in one sweep we have a solution suitable (sounds like it carries 1mb ram overhead) for most applications. Anything written for it magically runs on every major platform, it's highly scriptable and carries most of the magic of Unix packed with it wherever it's run from.
If it's significantly faster than Java I'd say we have a solution to the multi-distro problem as far as apps go.
While I was reading your summary, it sounded like the makings of some kind of super virus to me.
Except that Cisco has no real incentive to find bugs in their code, whereas a cracker does. Motivation makes a huge difference. And why would Cisco need to do strict audits on their code? Nobody outside the company will ever see it. Right?
Nope, sorry, they are calling to tell you that your Mor@tgage hav baen d.e.nied
Hmm. Didn't know that. Interesting though, how a movie written for a 12-year old girl in another country can seem so mature, while movies written for 12-year-olds in the US seem vapid and utterly childish. I plead ignorance on the cultural disconnect, but I am giving Miyazaki no more credit than he deserves. Spirited Away was a great movie, whereas Finding Nemo is a great kid's movie. For some reason, I find the need to qualify it.
I am not disagreeing with you, but I can't help that I grew up in the U.S. I was highly uncivilized when I was in college, but that was over 11 years ago. Unfortunately, my country as a whole hasn't grown up since then. :-(
I think you hit the nail on the head - but not how you intended. I love Pixar's movies, but they are clearly written for kids. Like you said, they WRITE IN CONTENT FOR ADULTS. I agree with the parent poster, that I would like to see a movie from Pixar where the adult content wasn't an afterthought. Think "Spirited Away". It is appropriate for adults and kids, but doesn't feel like a kids movie with a few jokes thrown in for the parents. Finding Nemo was good, but it was still a kids movie.
Sure, they are a kickass animation studio, but let's not forget that they make movies to MAKE MONEY. Where is the money? Product tie-ins. Granted, if the movie tanks their products sit on the shelves, so they do have to make a decent movie first. This has been the MO for kids moviemakers for quite a while now. It has been very obvious for a long time and is starting to become pathetic (Cat in the Hat anyone?). But parents lap it up. There is already Shrek 2 merchandise on the market.
Hey, that is the movie business, not much room for integrity.
I guess it depends on if you believe the article,which says % of LIFE, or the poster's interpretation which assumed it meant % of all SPECIES.
Big difference.
You guys are both pussies. At Southern Illinois University, our beer isn't in the keg long enough to get warm.
You really should get an XArcade controller for MAME. You can even get an XBox adapter to use it with your Xbox. (I use mine with my PC) It isn't *quite* the same as the arcade games, but about as close as you'll get without having the original game.
Moderators? Morals? Please explain the correlation.
I bought the book (collective hitchhiker's guide) several years ago, but haven't read it yet. I keep meaning to start it, but in all honesty the thing that is keeping me from it is the hype and the fans. All I hear about is how awesome it is, and see references to it that people around here seem to think are hilarious. If you question anything about it you are lambasted and marked a troll. It almost makes me not want to read it, because who would want to read a book with followers like that? I hate to say it, but the LOTR fans do the same thing. I never read the books, but anything that wasn't a glowing comment about the movies was met with scorn from fans. I just don't get that kind of devotion. Maybe if I read the books I would get it, but I am not sure I even want to.
And let's not leave out good ol' GWB. He is right up there with the rest of the religious nuts. How do you know when to start a war? Talk to Jesus. Get into an argument with your mother about if you can get into heaven without accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior, what do you do? You call up the Rev Billy Graham to come over and mediate your argument. Read more...
In both cases, implants make this easier.
Can't wait to see what we'll be complaining about in 5 more years. :-)
Heck, who would have thought that my submission would have been accepted?! I mean, everything was spelled correctly, I didn't blame Microsoft, and the story hadn't been posted yet. :-)
Ahem. I can field that one... :-)
OK, I probably should have used the word "perception" instead of "estimation", because the estimates were about 2.5x.
Here is what it did say in the article:
Its the first of the signs of the Apocalypse:
Doom III appears;
then Duke Nukem Forever gets a release;
then Hell Freezes Over;
then Taco actually checks slashdot before posting another dupe;
Then the world is destroyed in a great conflagration, the dead rise, the Messiah returns, four Horsemen, yadda, yadda, yadda
Isn't "Linux takes over the desktop" somewhere in there?
I keeed I keeed.
Please work on your reading comprehension. I never said the kernel developers should do this. You are part of the problem - both because of your attitude and because you don't understand why you are part of the problem. A knee-jerk, bitter coder who has an extremely high opinion of himself.
Thank you for pointing out the glaring hole in the Linux "community". Like I didn't know that already. Coders are the only ones who should upgrade their kernel? Jeez, do you have huge blinders on. Being able to upgrade the kernel is one of the major strengths of the *nix architecture. I should that?
When Microsoft or BSD or OS X starts producing documentation and source code at the "mature" standard that you require, that will be a good time for Linus to consider such issues.
Because the OSS community cannot lead, they have to follow? What a dumb statement. "That I require?" WTF are you talking about? I made a suggestion, and a minor one at that, about something that I think could be improved upon. Way to blemish the community that you blindly follow.
heh. If they did, the suits from BMW will be on them like Ballmer on a ham sandwich. They don't like *anyone* messing with their branding. You can't even use the three M colors together in anything BMW related unless you have special permission. The Germans don't play around.
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What "carefully craft"? I want to know what has changed in the kernel, in simple understandable language. I don't want a user manual.
You are in the minority of computer users if you know what a kernel is and what sort of things might cause a new release. Since you know that much already, you might as well just learn to code and join the fun.
And you are in an even bigger minority if you do kernel coding. There is a large (and growing) number of people interested in Linux. I have been using it since 1999, but I have yet to hack it. I am an end user of Linux, but a technical one. Before I upgrade my kernel, I would like to know what it offers me. Can I wait for someone to figure out what has changed and post a summary? Yes. But I think it should come from the kernel maintainer. And before you think that "the kernel maintainer has better things to do..." all I have to say is that it would take next to NO effort for the maintainer to summarize the changes to the kernel. This should be the person who knows it best.
In any event, end-user documentation is the responsibility of distro makers, not the kernel dev team.
I agree, but I am not necessarily talking about end-user documentation. I am talking more about power-user documentation. It is at a different (higher) level than hacker-level documentation. I think it would help in getting more people involved in updating their kernel.
I am not bashing, I just see this as a good return-on-investment improvement in the information provided with kernel updates.
Absolutely. But that is essentially a third party who figures out what has been changed and writes it up. Shouldn't the providers of the kernel be able to provide that information more readily? I am not suggesting a whitepaper, or a replacement of the current changelog - just a summary supplement at a higher level. Give me the summary with the kernel. That is what I meant by being more mature. While the info at kerneltrap and other places is good, why shouldn't it come from the horse's mouth? If a third party can provide an overview, why couldn't the maintainer of the kernel do the same? They should know it well enough to be able to articulate it at the correct level of detail. There is a huge range of users between "code hackers" and "distro users". The fact that kerneltrap provides an overview is proof enough that it is needed. I just think it would be nice if it came from the source, with the source. And it doesn't have to replace what we currently get, it can just be a higher view.
I don't think it is an unreasonable suggestion. The amount of overhead it would take to create such a summary would be minimal, but I think the benefits would be well worth it.
I am not suggesting that the current method of changelog be replaced, just that "dumbed down" version, if you will, be provided. Who at the Linux distro is going to "translate" the changelog? We all know how things get missed in translations. Wouldn't it be easier for the distros if there were an official version?
I don't think that the people who can help making Linux more mature really need a simpler changelog. Also, note that the new changelog is automatically generated by the source control software they are using (bitkeeper). Kernel devs can spend more time coding and less time typing boring changelogs ... how can this be bad ?
I don't think it should be the developers who would need to do this, it should be the person who manages the kernel. Don't replace what we have now, just supplement it. If the changelog is at 10 feet, give us a look at 100 feet. It has already been said that there are places out there that give good rundowns of the changes. But why should someone else have to do it? Don't you think that the manager of the kernel would be able to summarize things better than a third party? Come on, I am not talking about a whitepaper or anything, but a summary that non-coders can read. There is a wide range of people between "kernel hackers" and "strict distro users". And they are growing.