Pixar's Next Movie: The Incredibles

An anonymous reader writes: "The trailer for Pixar's next film, The Incredibles, is on the web. It's available from the official Incredibles site, the Apple trailers page, and Pixar's website. Lots of info on the official page as well! Enjoy!"

Comments

What the???

[tha_mink]

I thought that Pixar split from the Disney Empire? What's up with that?

Re:What the???

[grub]

This picture was in production before the split.

Re:What the???

[norkakn]

It is my understanding that this is the last film that will be distributed through disney. This was part of the last contract, they didn't get out of it, they just decided not to sign another one.

Re:What the???

[grape jelly]

Pixar was never "in" the Disney empire. They merely worked with each other. Basically, their agreement to work with each other is terminated in the sense that they aren't going to make any more movies jointly. As for why, Pixar wanted more money and Disney didn't want to lose profits.

Washington Post story covering this

Re:What the???

[Black_Logic]

They plan on not renewing the contract, but they didn't break it. More info here

Re:What the???

[Mateito]

> I thought that Pixar split from the Disney
> Empire? What's up with that?

Disney will still release one or two movies more (The Incredibles plus the next one). Pixar had a 6 film deal with Disney, but Disney contested that "Toy Story II" counted as it was a sequel. (This is one reason that Pixar don't do sequels).

So we have

Toy Story I/II
Bugs Life
Monsters Inc
Finding Nemos
The Incredibles
One more. .. and then Pixar will go with somebody who gives them more than 10% of the takings. Pixar weren't looking to "screw" Disney, just be paid a fair price for what they are now worth in the market.

Re:What the???

[fireduck]

They did but contractually they were obliged to release a few more movies with Disney. The Incredibles is one of them. The in-production Cars is another. And that might be it (or maybe one more). One other aspect of the split (if i recall correctly) is that Disney retains rights to produce sequels to all the films released through them (so Disney could make their own Toy Story 3, if they chose).

Re:What the???

[Mateito]

> so Disney could make their own Toy Story 3, if they chose.

Which they will.

And it will be straight to video.

And it will be crap.

Re:What the???

[drakaan]

Where are my mod points when I need them...you're almost certainly right. They *did* do some good stuff with Lion King 1-1/2, though.

Re:What the???

[GPLDAN]

In fact, they've already announced they will.

I don't know why other people keep saying Pixar don't want to do sequels. Businessweek says Steve Jobs also wants Toy Story 3.

Re:What the???

[Mateito]

Pixar don't want to do sequels because all the rights to sequels are with Disney, so in order to do the sequel Pixar has to work with Disney... or more accurately... print money for Disney.

If they can resolve the commercial relationships, I'm sure Toy Story III would rock.

Re:What the???

[Mateito]

But for the Lion King 1-1/2 (which I haven't seen, so I won't comment), there's an Aladdin II... and an Alladin III.

My pet peeve with Disney is that they take stuff in the Public Domain (Cinderella etc) then start sending legal threats to anybody who does the same, claiming that they are cashing on the Disney investment. Of course, many claims are baseless, but who can defend themselves against the legal might of Disney?

The last straw was when they pulled out of the production of the recent "Peter Pan" movie, because they didn't want to pay royalties to the orphanage that owns the rights (they received them in the will of the Author).

Disney claims because they already paid once for their animated production of Peter Pan, they shouldn't have to pay again.

Hmm.. Billion dollar multinational refusing to give a tiny percentage of one fucking movie to a group of kids without parents. Walt would be spinning in his grave if he wasn't frozen into it.

Re:What the???

[multimed]

and then Pixar will go with somebody who gives them more than 10% of the takings. Pixar weren't looking to "screw" Disney, just be paid a fair price for what they are now worth in the market.

I don't know about that--you can't tell me Jobs hasn't gotten a fair amount of pleasure over having Michael Eisner over a barrel. I mean honesty, who on this planet wouldn't enjoy the chance to really put the screws to that guy. Who knows what motivates Steve Jobs these days, but he's clearly in an extremely powerful position right now--with a company full of insanely talented people who are creating movies millions of people just can't seem to find their wallet quick enough to see.

It will be very interesting to see what happens over the next couple of years.

Re:What the???

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes, Lion King 1.5 was good, but what about Cinderella 2, Lion King 2 (did they make a 3 too? didnt bother myself), Peter Pan 2, Lady and the Tramp 2, Stitch: the Movie, Little Mermaid 2, 102 Dalmations, and Jungle Book 2? 'Nuff said? Lord help us all if Disney gets their hands on Toy Story 3.

Re:What the???

[Gumshoe]

My pet peeve with Disney is that they take stuff in the Public Domain (Cinderella etc) then start sending legal threats to anybody who does the same, claiming that they are cashing on the Disney investment.

That's not strictly true. Disney have a reputation of legally threatening people over this sort of thing but it has nothing to do with protecting its investment. So long as you avoid using Disney inventions that were used in conjunction with the public domain story then Disney can't do a thing.

For example, it's perfectly legitimate for someone to stage a play based on Snow White but Disney would come down hard if you used the names and/or appearance of the Seven Dwarves as seen in the movie (the seven dwarves appear in the original public domain Snow White but the characters of Grumpy, Sleepy, et al, are Disney inventions and not in the public domain).

Is this right? Well, it's a strict and traditional application of copyright so it's difficult to complain about, unless you want to argue against copyright in general. What isn't right, and this relates to your original pet-peeve, is the retroactive extension of copyright so that the Disney inventions never fall into the public domain.

Re:What the???

[bitrott]

You're certainly astute. It will be crap, just like the second one was right? The second Toy Story, which is so good as to be one of the best movie sequals ever made. Pixar's films are amazing not only because of the astounding graphics, but because of the STORY. I doubt they'll drop a movie out there that doesn't meet their hight standards.

Re:What the???

[16K Ram Pack]

I have seen the trailers on the front of Monster's Inc for various Disney sequels, and I basically have to cancel them. No doubt there are millions of kids pestering their parents to buy this stuff. Most of which look like utter garbage.

Re:What the???

[Pippinjack]

It's not an orphanage, it's the Great Ormond Street Hospital for Sick Children in London.

Re:What the???

[16K Ram Pack]

FYI It's not an orphanage, but Great Ormond Street Hospital.

It has a unique status, that it is specifically named in UK law, and has a perpetual copyright.

As for Walt, a recent documentary I saw painted him in a very different light to the "uncle Walt" image that was created.

Re:What the???

[Seehund]

My pet peeve with Disney, the final straw as it were, is that they bought Winnie The Pooh(!) and turned it from a beautifully illustrated and profoundly philosophical book for all ages, into another hysterical and loud franchise, inflicting even more ADHD on an already obnoxious generation of disturbed brats.

Milne and Shepard are spinning in their graves, while obese brats chewing on Happy Meal plastic toys piss on them. :P

Re:What the???

[Mateito]

Point is Toy Story III is 0wn3D by Disney, and unless Pixar make it without Buzz, Woody and anybody appeared in the first episode, Disney can, and will, go it alone.

Read grandparent.

Re:What the???

[Bricklets]

Actually, it's because there was a deal between Pixar and Disney that still needs to be honored. One more movie, Cars, and that'll be it.

Re:What the???

[Anonymous Coward]

"Pixar weren't looking to "screw" Disney, just be paid a fair price for what they are now worth in the market."

Let's not bullshit us. Your 5 points is a proof of your bullshit in slashdot, but Pixar wasn't trying to get a fair price, they want to go by their own and become a powerhouse like Disney. That's why they split up with Disney, and you don't even know what Disney offered them, so stfu.

Re:What the???

[Anonymous Coward]

Pixar wasn't trying to get a fair price

Now who's playing the BS game? I smell troll!

Re:What the???

[Anonymous Coward]

More accurately, Pixar approached Disney to help funding and distribute Toy Story. After its success, Pixar hammered a 5 movie deal with Disney. Pixar then worked on Toy Story 2, thinking that it would count toward the deal only to see Eisner backstabbed them in the back. Is it a wonder that Jobs is enjoying kicking Eisner in the nuts right now?

Re:What the???

[luke923]

As for Walt, a recent documentary I saw painted him in a very different light to the "uncle Walt" image that was created.
Of course, when you come up with something like "Nazi Supermen Are Our Superiors."

Re:What the???

[Monkey Angst]

Point is Toy Story III is 0wn3D by Disney, and unless Pixar make it without Buzz, Woody and anybody appeared in the first episode, Disney can, and will, go it alone.

I believe they also wouldn't have the rights to the title. So they would have a sequel with a different title and none of the same characters.

Re:What the???

[YowzaTheYuzzum]

Walt isn't frozen

Re:What the???

[Anonymous Coward]

Funny my ass, this is informative

Re:What the???

[JoshNorton]

Also, as buddies in production have pointed out, Disney was pretty cavalier about some of the details of the agreement - "The Pixar logo must appear in the following manner when used in conjunction with the Disney logo, and the Disney logo must appear in the following manner when being used to promote a Pixar joint production..." - that sort of thing, among others. Disney essentially disregarded most of those details, even when outsiders (like people working on CD-ROM tie-in products) knew better.

Not surprised that Pixar got tired of sharing with people willing to explicitly break agreement with them.

Adult films

[Black_Logic]

This really isn't meant as flamebait. Pixar's movies are extremely cool looking but I really wish they'd make some movies that weren't oriented towards children. I recognize that there's a lot of content in them that is geared towards adults. Besides keeping the parents mildly entertained while their kids enjoy the movie I'm it also has to do with the reason pixar's movies do so well. But even so, why no adult content? THere's definitely this pervasive attitude that animation is the domain of children only in America. (I'm probably pegging myself as an anime nerd here. :) )

And btw, by 'geared towards adults' I certainly don't mean sex and explosions, that doesn't hurt though if the plot is interesting and supports it.

Re:Adult films

[_PimpDaddy7_]

No adult content? Go watch Pixar's movies again. They CLEARLY have written in content for adults in all of their movies. Pixar is obviosly gearing movies for mainstream, that involves children and adults. Why limit a movie to one crowd(adults or children)? The super success of Finding Nemo was BECAUSE it was aimed at children and adults.

Re:Adult films

[XMyth]

Mmmmmmm Pixar Porn......

But seriously, I think this is a good idea. Anime nerd or not (the only anime I like is Ronin Warriors, do I count?) a adult-oriented *good* cg movie would probably do good.

And no, Final Fantasy doesn't count because the story line was just plain boring. FF is good at gameplay not stories.

Maybe we could petition Pixar?

Re:Adult films

[bentini]

Because of the Final Fantasy CG movie.

Re:Adult films

[telstar]

I've always found plenty of humor that would fly over the heads of children in Pixar's movies. The setting may be in a children's world, but the humor has always appealed to a very broad audience. I imagine that's why they do so well ... their art is suited to both children AND adults.

Re:Adult films

[Anonymous Coward]

Not geared towards children, no sex, no explosions.

What percentage of major films fulfill that criteria these days?

Re:Adult films

[alexatrit]

Like most other recent Disney films, Pixar films almost always include adult humor blended into the dialogue. THAT is why they do so well, because they appeal to all sorts of audiences for different reasons. It's the same reason why the Simpsons is so popular. It's funny for the kids, it's thought provoking to adults, and there's something for everyone.

Re:Adult films

[krymsin01]

Yeah, I can totaly see Pixar doing Fritz the Cat

Re:Adult films

[Anonymous Coward]

I personally hated Nemo. How many damn times can he give up hope just to have something happen to restore his faith? Would have been good at about 30 minutes.

Re:Adult films

[f0rtytw0]

I do believe this was because they were releasing Disney movies. They have sinced moved away from Disney so you can probally expect to find more adult content in their new films.

Re:Adult films

[Da Fokka]

I'd say that one of the things that all Pixar productions have in common that they can be truly enjoyable to both adults and children. Okay, maybe the plot is no Memento. But still, the characters are funny in a mature way. I bet even a lot of adults don't know the reason Dora has such a bad memory is that fish are believed to have 4 second memory span.

Re:Adult films

[aborchers]

I wish I hadn't wasted all my mod points busting down FP trolls, because you've definitely earned a boost. Finding Nemo is one of the best films I've seen in recent years and I still see new things in it every time I watch it (which happens a lot because my two year old also loves it!)

I'm no G-Rated wuss when it comes to film taste either. I'm a big fan of Quentin Tarantino, Sam Raimi, and pre-LOTR Peter Jackson, for example. Nonetheless, Pixar can make the kind of movies they want to make and I wish them success at it because they make truly excellent films.

Re:Adult films

[CMRichar]

"There's definitely this pervasive attitude that animation is the domain of children only in America."

And that right there is the problem. if Pixar or some other American company bring out an animated feature that were geared towards adults, they would be overwhelmed by the number of complaints they recieve because "I took little Timmy to see that cartoon and it had a butt in it!! OMG!!". Simply put, a large portion of people in this country go "ooh! animated! it MUST be safe to take my kid to!" instead of actually going out and reading reviews/seeing trailers/actually researching a bit about what they're about to expose their children to.

Not that I don't agree that it would be cool to see a feature geared more towards adults in theatres, but basically it wont happen until more parents actually decide to be responsible and pay more attention to what their spawn are viewing and doing.

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[0123456]

"The super success of Finding Nemo was BECAUSE it was aimed at children and adults."

Actually, I'd say that 'Finding Nemo' was the least adult movie that Pixar have made. I've watched 'Toy Story 1/2' and 'Monsters Inc' numerous times, but have no great desire to see 'Finding Nemo' again.

Maybe this is why they quit Disney, so their movies weren't dumbed down for kids.

Re:Adult films

[Anonymous Coward]

WHY?

Who made more money? Nemo or Spirited away?

In what would you invest the money of your shareholders?

I love animation and agree with you, but as long as everyone believes 'drawings is for kids' this will not change.

It rememminds me of a great story, some guy reading Sandman in a plane next to a literature teacher at some university. The teacher started to comment on how unsurprising it was that 'our' generation where so ignorant if we are still reading comic books in our 20's instead of the great clasics.

The young reader started a long dissertation on the social interrogations of Sandman (war, death, religion, deep beliefs, homosexuality, ... and a long list). Maybe literature teachers should read it and gain a more opened mind. The teacher had to said he was sorry for his comments.

On average 'adults' would not get caught in line for an animation movie without a kid.

Re:Adult films

[platypibri]

Y'know, there are tons and tons of people out there doing adult oriented films. And there are fewer and fewer films out there I'd take a small child to (were talking 8 to 11 here) I applaud Pixar and yes, Disney for puting out films that I can take a child to, and yet still enjoy. Go get your own CG Studio!

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[Black_Logic]

Admittedly, I haven't seen Finding Nemo. I understand what you're saying, as I said in my previous post, I recognize that they've got some really talented writers working for them. Clearly we're getting into a subjective debate here, but I'd really like to see a completely CG movie geared towards adults. For instance, a whole lot of sci-fi storys could be done extremely well in this medium. A lot people complain about the special effects in movies because they're not real enough. Nobody has ever complained about the special effects in a pixar movie not being real enough. There'd be much more freedom to have big environments that fit the atmosphere of the movie well. Suspended disbelief works so much better in a cartoon. At that would really help a sci-fi flick.

Re:Adult films

[FortKnox]

Like TitanAE? Animated movies for adults ONLY appeal to the anime geek, and its not enough business to recoup the costs of making it. The only way to make a profit is to make a kids movie with adult jokes and stuff to appeal to the parents. Pixar knows this formula, and uses it perfectly.

Re:Adult films

[0123456]

"Because of the Final Fantasy CG movie."

Yeah, but the main problem with that movie was that there weren't enough nude scenes (i.e. none)... they could probably recoup the money they lost by releasing a 'Final Fantasy XXX' movie :).

Re:Adult films

[Deusy]

This really isn't meant as flamebait. Pixar's movies are extremely cool looking but I really wish they'd make some movies that weren't oriented towards children.

You evidently didn't see the Final Fantasy movie, to see how hard it is to produce a good adult oriented CG film.

CG is still cartoony. How many adult cartoons do you know of? Viz?

Re:Adult films

[platypibri]

I think theMythbusters did a pretty good job of demonstrating the memory of fish. They trained a gold fish to swim through several holes to get food and repeted the results over time.

Re:Adult films

[Lumpy]

And btw, by 'geared towards adults' I certainly don't mean sex and explosions, that doesn't hurt though if the plot is interesting and supports it.

I have two words that would make them GOBS of fricking cash....

Heavy Metal

the first teaser of Titan AE looked as if it was going to be in the style of Heavy Metal and I was fricking GEEKED but it tanked out to be a kiddie movie.

If Pixar were to have the guts to make a R rated Heavy Metal style film they would absolutely clean up.

Re:Adult films

[sweet cunny muffin]

"THere's [sic] definitely this pervasive attitude that animation is the domain of children only in America."

Bullshit! Simpsons. Futurama. Family Guy. South Park. Stressed Eric. 2D TV.

Re:Adult films

[OS24Ever]

after my daughter watches toy story 2 for about the 5th time the week I still find it funny. To me the only thing non-adult is the fact that it's animated. Even is that is arguable as far as kid vs. adult in animation.

Re:Adult films

[haystor]

Was anyone else disturbed by the fact that they killed off Nemo's mother and 399 siblings to kick off the movie?

Personally, I think it was a political statement from the left leaning hollywood tree huggers in favor of abortion. Certainly there was content directed toward adults.

Not Pixar, but still Disney:
Of course the theme of the Lion King was that every person is born into their place and should make no attempt to find another place. Sure, some people were born to be kings, but whole lot were born to be hyenas. If you're born a hyena you should stay on the fringe of society. It also was not lost on me that in serving this message they aimed to include the African American community as much as possible.

My wife doesn't like watching movies with me for some reason.

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[urmensch]

Heh, I tried to watch that... It didn't seem adult oriented. Or maybe the dialogue just blew, who knows, not me anyway.

Re:Adult films

[Anonymous Coward]

Why would Dora have a bad memory because of this supposed fact if they portrayed none of the other fish as having the same short memory? That makes no sense.

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[vitalyb]

Personally I loved Monsters Inc and Toy Story 1,2 was simply amazing (especially 2nd of course). But "Finding Nemo" lacks any of that, it had much simpler plot and strangely less dimenasional characters, which is very surprising compared to the number of main characters there. I really do wish this new movie will be more like "Toy Story" than Finding Nemo... Am I the only that sees that difference between these movies? :(

Re:Adult films

[nikster]

Pixar movies are always not only amazing miracles of technology (though that is a great excuse for geeks to see each and every one of them), the always also have a great storyline behind that as well.
And the storyline is what sets them apart, release after release.

And i am a huge anime fan myself - it's fun that there is blood and gore (impossible not to mention tentacle rape) etc and a lot of them are art in their own right.

But Pixar has a great story, every time, and then the story is well told. Despite all the high tech and geekery involved, that is one of the oldest skills in the world: the art of story-telling. A great story doesn't need to be targeted at a certain age group, and it doesn't need sex and explosions to make it work - it can stand by its own.

That's also the reason Pixar doesn't make more than 1 movie per year: They "can't find talented enough story tellers", according to Steve Jobs.

Re:Adult films

[the MaD HuNGaRIaN]

This aint flaimbait....it's quite insightful (whether or not you agree doesn't constitute flamebait)

Re:Adult films

[Anonymous Coward]

"Personally, I think it was a political statement from the left leaning hollywood tree huggers in favor of abortion. Certainly there was content directed toward adults."

Yea because Disney so wants to be associated with films that favor liberals. Moron. I'm surprised you didn't use the phrase "Anti-American". Got any other lies for us?

"Disney blocks anti-Bush film by Michael Moore"
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1- 1098923, 00.html

Re:Adult films

[DarkSarin]

did you miss shrek? If so watch it...I still hesitate to let my kids watch it.

Re:Adult films

[Black_Logic]

Uh huh, but as evidenced by my subject line, I was refering to films.

Sorry to be off-topic here, but is the [sic] really necesary? Are you really that worried that someone will mistake my simple capitilization error for yours? You've already got it in quotes!

Also, those are definitely some of my favorite shows.

Re:Adult films

[NTmatter]

It's not a movie, but a show geared towards adult audiences. Tripping the Rift is CG featuring adult-oriented content. No actual sex or nudity so far, but lots of adult humour. A few choice quotes from the show would be:

"Just once when I moan 'Oh God...Oh, God!', I really want to mean it."

"Well, you know what they say: You can lead a horse to water, but you can't get over how big its genitals are."

"How'd you like to take a free ride on a girl with four gams and no gag reflex?"

It's coming to a television near you. Watch it.

Re:Adult films

[_PimpDaddy7_]

I hear you. Hey I would love it too!!! BUT, these movies take a LOT of time to make so that has to be taken into account. Maybe as Pixar grows they will add more staff and can eventually create an adult-only film.

Re:Adult films

[LetterJ]

Exactly. Several of us at a contract I was working passed the audiobook of The Diamond Age. That book has long passages of stories that are told to a 5 year old about Princess Nell, castles, etc. All of us commented on how we found ourselves listening intently to these "childish" stories during our listen to the book.

Re:Adult films

[Anonymous Coward]

Std practice for disney to kill of parents to start movies.

look at their filmes, see how mny have orphans or parents getting killed off.

Bambi anyone?

Re:Adult films

[Arnos]

You mean like Final Fantasy (the movie)
That movie flopped and the medium did not help it at all for being sci-fi.

Re:Adult films

[iainl]

I'd have to disagree, to some extent at least.

By 'geared at adults', you really seem to be aiming at 'not involving talking animals'. After all, Finding Nemo's dealt with Marlin's coming to terms with losing most of his family in a far superior way to many live action films, and Woody's stuggles with the price of immortality in Toy Story 2 certainly stood up with the best that SF has to offer.

But if there is one thing that the Final Fantasy movie tells us, it is that if you want to do fancy SF with people, then use real people and greenscreens. Its a lot less hard work than creating CG models of humans, and the 'animation' isn't quite as terrible.

You're right that no-one complains about the ability to suspend disbelief when watching a Pixar film. But this is because they have the best animators in the business and brilliant screenwriters, not because Al of Al's Toy Barn looks even remotely photorealistic.

Re:Adult films

[Mateito]

> but have no great desire to see 'Finding Nemo' again.

I loved "Finding Nemo", but them I am an Australian currently living abroad, and all the accents and shots of Sydney made me homesick.

Re:Adult films

[EnsilZah]

Movies like these are clearly aimed at children, with their cute and fuzzy characters.
You may find a few whitty lines, but the main idea is to make a movie that would make parents take their kids to the cinema and then buy movie-related merchendise.

The thing about making a movie that is not limited to one demographic is that if you spread it thin enough to entertain the masses, it won't be very insightful in any particular area.

Re:Adult films

[Mateito]

Just a note: Shrek wasn't pixar. It was Dreamworks (I think).

Re:Adult films

[b00le]

The big problem is that more adult films would need more humans in them, and the great weakness in Pixar's stuff so far is that the humans don't look that great. Toys, monsters, fish: all look fine - it's a question of texture and limited range of expression, and also of our reduced expectations of how these things should look - but the people look like mannequins (I know that hasn't stopped Canoe Reeves). Some of these limitations have technical solutions - subsurface scattering etc - but, speaking as an amateur actor, I'd like to think some do not.

Re:Adult films

[The Ultimate Fartkno]

> But even so, why no adult content?

I think it's 99% due to the personalities *behind* the movies. Have you ever watched the behind-the-scenes stuff on Pixar dvd's or listened to the commentary? Pixar's core is John Lasseter, Andrew Stanton, and a couple of other guys, and they've been the driving force behind each and every Pixar movie. It's not like 20th Century Fox where they'll put out 50 movies a year and each one is directed by someone different. Pixar's library is entirely representative of a tiny handful of personalities, and there's not an ironic, detached, black-clad cyberpunk fan among them. I agree with you that it would be *awesome* to see an adult-oriented CG film with Pixar's skills behind it, but that would be like asking George Romero to direct the sequel to "You Got Served." Plain and simple, they just don't roll like that.

Re:Adult films

[SideshowBob]

(I'm probably pegging myself as an anime nerd here. :) )


Almost all of the anime that I've seen was garbage except the anime that was intended to be enjoyed by both children and adults (miyazaki)

Anime fans seem to suffer from the mistaken belief that just because its directed at an adult audience automatically makes it mature. The adult anime that I've seen has almost all been puerile and appeals to a juvenile sensibility of violence and sex.

I truly would not want a 'mature' Pixar movie. I love the innocent sense of humor that they inject into their movies. Maybe you have to have kids of your own to truly appreciate it, but there is something special about Pixar movies that you just have to 'get' or not.

Now I don't want to start an anime war because as I've already said there is some good anime (all genres of creativity are 90% garbage and 10% gems anyways, nothing special about anime)

Re:Adult films

[Autumnmist]

Well I don't know what your definition of "geared towards adults" is if it doesn't include sex and explosions.

I liked every single one of Pixar's movies, including Finding Nemo. Granted the plot wasn't Mission-Impossible-complicated, but did you expect it to be? The movie was entertaining and funny and I'm no child anymore.

Re:Adult films

[cozziewozzie]

Damn, and I thought I was the only one!

"Finding Nemo" was a movie for children and parents. For people between 15 and 35, it was mostly a yawner, with forgettable characters. Still a nice movie, but not a patch on Toy Story or Monsters Inc.

Re:Adult films

[Crizp]

Heavy Metal was quite cool... The first couple of times I saw it, I thought it was crap. But the movie really grew on me. Cheesy stuff really, but lots of fun.

FAKK2 wasn't that good... they should make a Heavy Metal 3 in the style of the first one - multiple lead animators, one with his/her own segment and storyline of the movie.

Re:Adult films

[Anonymous Coward]

I have two words that would make them GOBS of fricking cash....

Heavy Metal

Aren't we being a bit silly now? Heavy Metal grossed 18 million or so in 1981, which in inflation adjusted dollars would still be considered a second tier movie if not a flop.

Historically animated films which are targeted towards adults are spectacular box office failures. You can argue about why that might be, but it is hard to argue that it isn't true.

Pixar makes family entertainment. If you are waiting for them to release an R rated film, be prepared to wait a long, long time.

Re:Adult films

[cozziewozzie]

I think this is what really sets Pixar apart, just like the old Sierra and LucasArts adventures set themselves apart from the competition. Not only through great graphics for their time, but also through the amazing humour.

Before watching 'Nemo' in the cinema, they showed one of the earliest Pixar short films, the one about the little snowman. Even in such a short and simple movie (which was clearly a demonstration of technology at the time it was made), the characters are likable, the story is interesting and the whole film is friggin' funny!

Re:Adult films

[tuffy]

Anime fans seem to suffer from the mistaken belief that just because its directed at an adult audience automatically makes it mature. The adult anime that I've seen has almost all been puerile and appeals to a juvenile sensibility of violence and sex.

Most of the supposed "adult" anime really is aimed at teens. Especially the hyperviolent stuff. But the really popular, non-fringe anime doesn't have those elements and is meant to appeal to kids and adults alike - just like Pixar. This includes Ghibli films and long-running shows that air during "family hour" like Inu-Yasha.

Re:Adult films

[Golias]

I have two words and a number to prove you wrong.

Heavy Metal 2000

Re:Adult films

[orcrist]

I'll just respond to you though this applies to a good number of the posts in the thread. I must be a mutant, since I seem to be the only one I know who found Monsters Inc. to be the *worst* movie Pixar has made so far. I am even a Billy Crystal fan, but the movie just felt too much like any other Billy Crystal movie, with a bunch of standard formulas for animated flicks.
For me Monsters Inc was the most child-oriented (simplistic) of the bunch. That's not to say that Pixar's worst isn't still above average, but I was disappointed compared to the other movies Pixar had produced, and relieved to see Nemo raise the standard again.

-chris

Re:Adult films

[Golias]

The adult anime that I've seen has almost all been puerile and appeals to a juvenile sensibility of violence and sex.

Stop renting "Hentai" anime from the pr0n section of your local video store, and watch "Millennium Actress" Follow that up with Grave of the Fireflies and maybe even Osamu Tezuka's Metropolis.

Then come back and tell us what a wasteland of juvenile titilation the Japanese anime landscape is. Until then, pipe down and recognize that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Re:Adult films

[dedalus2000]

No not flamebait but certainly ignorant. Let's recharacterize environmentalists or (tree huggers as you say) as those who don't shit in the drinking water and after we do that let's talk about woman that make their own decisions about their procreative habits and why you would oppose them enough to speak out publicly against a industry that publicly supports their right to do so.

Re:Adult films

[Maarek_1]

I kinda see Pixar in the same way I see Nintendo, a company that manages to take "kiddie" concepts and make them entertaining to Everyone. If you watch the movies you will notice that often times when there is a bit of slapsticky humor that would normally be funny to kids, but a bit over the top for adults, they throw in a bit of irony that would miss most kids.... and then the adults and the kids are laughing. Like the pylon scene in Toy Story where they are crossing the road, my friends kid was dying over the silliness of them being in pylons whereas I was laughing cause I was thinking, "I was on that road today". Don't be so quick to judge what appears to be childish only on its appearance. Just look at the upcoming movie...tell me that a superhero comedy isn't aimed at least a little at many of us 20-somthings. I for one will be seeing it.

Re:Adult films

[ScottGant]

It's been said to death here already, but I'll try to break it down.

Pixar doesn't make movies oriented towards children, they make movies oriented towards FAMILIES.

You know, those movies where both adults and children can both go together and both enjoy the movie on an equal basis. A movie made for children is more like the Rugrats or Pokemon movies.

Also, the attitude that animation is the domain of children is long gone now in America. Maybe it was back in the 70's, but when you have hit shows like South Park and The Simpsons that are clearly NOT oriented towards children, you're argument falls apart.

You seem like one of those anime snobs that belive there is no good animation coming out anywhere other than Japan. Have you even seen any of Pixar movies? Are you also one of those people that try to act cool AND trendy by saying "I hate dubbed anime movies, I only like the original"...knowing full well ALL animation is dubbed, no matter what language. But I digress...

Re:Adult films

[catbutt]

All animation isn't dubbed. The voice is recorded first, and the animation done afterwards to match it. Huge difference.

Re:Adult films

[ScottGant]

Did a bunch of people take little Timmy to see South Park the Movie? I don't think so.

That attitude hasn't been in America for a long time. Yes, there were complaints about 10 years ago, but not really anymore.

South Park got complaints, but not because it was animated and people were made because they took their kids to it. It gets complaints today...but for content. Just like a Howard Stern get's complaints. It's mainly bizzy-body jerks who think they know best for everyone else.

Though I will tell a story some 20 years ago when I was standing in line at a video store to rent a movie, some woman behind me had an 8 year old with her. He was complaining that she didn't get him a movie to watch and she said "yes I did, I got Spiderwoman for you".

I turned around and sure enough, she had "Kiss of the Spider Woman"...which I'm sure we all know is NOT a kids movie.

Same thing happened when I went to see the original Jurrasic Park. I don't know how many people brought their kids to "see the dinosaurs...see, it's just like Barney the dinosaur". The first showing I went to wasn't that good because of so many kids crying. But in a way, it was also funny.

Re:Adult films

[Art_XIV]

One of my favorites from Tripping the Rift was when one of the Dark Clowns infected the ship's computer with a virus that made it refuse to do what the crew wanted...

Be careful! It sounds like it's from Microsoft!

Re:Adult films

[mbbac]

Most cartoons are written for adults. Because they're written by adults. Pixar is no different. Their movies certainly are written for adults but are also a format and presentation that translates well to children.

Re:Adult films

[ScottGant]

True, but still...not quite the same thing as in a live action movie.

I've seen all Miyazaki's movies, both English and then Japanese. Even in Japanese the words don't quite match up to the lips...sure, much better than English does. But the high quality English versions are just as watchable as the Japanese ones.

I was refering more to anime snobs who even refuse to call it by the English name. They won't say "Sprited Away", instead they'll say "Sen to Chihiro no kamikakushi". Guess it's their way to make people think they're cool. I know this first hand because 2 of my friends are like this and they drive everyone crazy with this crap.

Re:Adult films

[mbbac]

I'd say Pixar's movies are geared to a more mature audience that those horrible lines of dialog are.

Re:Adult films

[chaoaretasty]

Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within. The story may have sucked but it was still aimed at adults, as is the new FFVII Advent Children, which looks very promising.

Re:Adult films

[nelsonal]

Did they ever put Gerry's Game before a movie? That is one of my favorite Pixar shorts.

Re:Adult films

[sgt-at-arms]

I watched an episode of Tripping the Rift, and have to chime in here: it's categorically one of the worst television programs I've ever witnessed personally. The animation is pitiful, and the "adult-oriented" humor is far too juvenile. The involvement of sex does not orient humor toward adults, it orients humor toward teenaged boys. The characters were poorly-written, and along with the plot felt stolen from D-list porn.

Terrible. Laughable-- not funny, laughable.

Re:Adult films

[mbbac]

Are you asking for a Final Fantasy sequel?

Re:Adult films

[aardvarkjoe]

The voice is recorded first, and the animation done afterwards to match it.

Actually, this isn't always true. Typically, American animation is done this way, in order to get the best match between the voices and the animation. However, anime is usually dubbed -- the animation is done first, and then the voices are done later. Interestingly, one of the people working on the English dub of Princess Mononoke mentioned that the timing of the English dubbing often matched the animation better than the original Japanese dubbing, because of this.

Re:Adult films

[Black_Logic]

I basically avoided bringing that movie up. I did see it, and yes, I did like it. I'm heavily biased, though because I'm a huge fan of the console games. And even though I did enjoy it, there were serious flaws in the movie.

Re:Adult films

[MikeXpop]

Did you see the Final Fantasy movie? The problems with it were its bad characters and storyline. Pretty much all the people who I know saw it simply because it looked so good.

How many adult cartoons? By this I'll assume you mean animation. Well let's see. That would be just about every anime ever. So I'll say ~500.

Re:Adult films

[ThatNuttyPeej]

For instance, a whole lot of sci-fi storys could be done extremely well in this medium.

And I don't doubt they will. What qualified as high end commercial animation is now possible on a workstation. I look forward to someday seeing all the scifi novels of my youth turned into long, detailed tv movies. Dragonflight: The Miniseries anyone?

Re:Adult films

[16K Ram Pack]

Maybe I'm unusual, but I enjoy Pixar's films. And I also enjoy Scorsese, Tarantino and Woody Allen films.

They do deal with a lot of themes of childhood, but I don't find them over cute or vomit inducing and they work with real emotions. They are good stories with good dialogue and coherent.

Re:Adult films

[Anonymous Coward]

I can't say that I ever heard of "procreation" as a habit. Is that how one can trivialize it to the point that makes the "decision" easier?

Procreation is a natural process that humans have decided to interfere with under the guise of "choice". No matter what your view point is on "choice" though, your either allowing a life, or disallowing a life.

While Disney may have some under tones that I disagree with, the overall message is generally acceptable. Sometimes though, I think people are assigning more meaning than was really intended in the movies. Consider that many art forms can be interpreted in different ways by viewers. While a majority of viewers can focus on a set of meanings, you can always find someone to disagree with you.

Re:Adult films

[Anonymous Coward]

I wish I hadn't wasted all my mod points busting down FP trolls

First rule of moderation: Mod up good posts. Then, if you still have points left, mod down obvious abuse like crapfloods and page wideners.

Re:Adult films

[SFBwian]

I don't know if they stopped the practice, but to my understanding a good number of japanese animation productions DO dub after the animation. Obviously multiple takes will occur and a lot of audio manipulation can be done in editing.

I suppose it can also force the VA to pay very close attention to what is occuring in the animation and perform accordingly--In this way, the animation (driven by the director and animators) might have a bit more control over how the voicework is performed. But, IANAJVA (japanese voice actor), so take what I garner from DVD special features and general internet knowledge with a grain of salt. :)

Re:Adult films

[cpt kangarooski]

Yes, it was in front of Bug's Life.

Re:Adult films

[delus10n0]

Don Bluth is a genius, I don't care what anyone says. Titan AE failed because of marketing, bad timing, and a overpriced budget (cost $75mil to make; only recouped $22mil.. ugh) I would say it was definitely intended for the teen-adults market, and it blended/handled those elements fairly well. But it just failed on all other levels.

Re:Adult films

[karnal]

Would they end up getting Vin Diesel to play the love interest then?

Re:Adult films

[DA_MAN_DA_MYTH]

Cartoon Network does have Adult Swim, but none of them is all CG.

Re:Adult films

[UnknowingFool]

Pixar's movies are extremely cool looking but I really wish they'd make some movies that weren't oriented towards children.

Since their distribution partner was Disney, their movies are influenced by what Disney will distribute.

Re:Adult films

[brianimator]

Patience.... their deal with Disney is coming to a close... perhaps then? Have you ever seen "Knick Knack"? It was one of Pixar's earlier shorts. The original featured a horny snowman and two heroines, both comely, and well-endowed. Unfortunately, in its re-release (as a trailer and special feature of the Finding Nemo DVD) the ladies tits were ace bandaged family-friendly-flat. Disney's big on censorship these days - with them out of the picture(s), perhaps we can expect a wider range of content.

Re:Adult films

[On Lawn]

I don't get what you mean by Adult Content. It seems that if you meant themes and stories that take maturity to identify with and understand that there is plenty there.

In Finding Nemo the story told from the Father's perspective is something I don't think is written for children. I think they can identify with it on a basic level, but that is different. On the other hand, Nemo's story is one that children comprehend completely, and adults identify with.

In Toy Story 2, I don't think that children really understand at all what Woody and the girl doll were going through. But they identified fully with the action, fun and friendship, and the Buzz storyline.

Although I don't see much for mature audiences in two Pixar movies. Toy Story (the first), there you have simple jealousy that kids can identify with. A Bug's Life was about being a misfit and dealing with failure, perfect themes for children. But not much there that I don't think is beyond kids.

Re:Adult films

[aborchers]

I'd certainly concur on the Toy Story films, but I can't say I was all that floored by Monsters Inc. You're definitely right that Nemo doesn't have the kind of character development that Toy Story does. I just thought it did an excellent job of packing in the adult-satisfying details (obscure marine science references, subtle references to the other films, etc.)

Re:Adult films

[Belgand]

Frankly Finding Nemo seemed so vapidly childish to me that I could be bothered to see it. A fish travels to find his missing son. *Yawn* I'm sure it might have had some adult-oriented content, but honestly most of what I saw in previews and such didn't really inspire me to have any interest that it would be much beyond the formulaic nature of such an enterprise.

One of the very, very few films that was successfully aimed at children and adults equally in my mind was The Princess Bride. Neither talking down to kids or adults it can be enjoyed by both at the exact same level for an entire lifetime.

Re:Adult films

[DerekLyons]

Anime fans seem to suffer from the mistaken belief that just because its directed at an adult audience automatically makes it mature. The adult anime that I've seen has almost all been puerile and appeals to a juvenile sensibility of violence and sex.

That mirrors exactly my thoughts throughout this entire article and it's comments. Somehow, unless it has sex, or at least allusions to sex, or violence, or at least barely concealed violence, it's not 'adult'. (Except for a couple of renegades who want a movie thats 'adult' but without those elements.. Without being clear about what makes such a movie 'adult.) I think that they are attempting to define 'adult' as something that isn't 'G' rated, but are unable to articulate any reason why an 'adult' film must be PG (or higher). Maybe it's related to the feeling that one is an 'adult' when one can get into PG or R rated films, so it cannot be adult unless it is rated thusly.

I truly would not want a 'mature' Pixar movie. I love the innocent sense of humor that they inject into their movies. Maybe you have to have kids of your own to truly appreciate it, but there is something special about Pixar movies that you just have to 'get' or not.

You don't have to have kids, or even like kids, to enjoy Pixar films. What you *do* have to have is an appreciation for something rarely found in movies today... Storytelling. Pixar makes its money not by apealling to a particular demographic, but by telling compelling stories and by drawing characters as archetypes rather than caricatures. (At least around here, every time I've been to a Pixar film in the theatre, over half the audience has been adults without children.)

Re:Adult films

[Anonymous Coward]

ahh

It's a wasteland of stuff that isn't everybody's taste. Stop pretending that you are the cultural be-all. People like different stuff. Someone not liking what you like does not invalidate you as person.

Re:Adult films

[Anonymous Coward]

I hope you know that the only people who watch anime past the age of 15, Miyazaki's works excepted, are dumb Americans. Anime here in Japan is seen as child and early teen entertainment.

Posting anonymously because I don't have an account, but I will be checking for replies...

Re:Adult films

[Golias]

It's a wasteland of stuff that isn't everybody's taste. Stop pretending that you are the cultural be-all. People like different stuff.

He didn't say it was "not his taste." He said it was "juvenille" sensatinoalism of sexuality and violence. I indicated three animated films from Japan which were intended for adults yet are serious films which do not pander to pre-teen desires for gore and/or T&A. My argument does not hang on whether or not he enjoys them.

Re:Adult films

[Sdrawcab]

I would LOVE to see an X-rated CGI film, maybe useing something by Eric von Gotha as source material. That would be HOT! Too bad our prudish society has to put a wall between art and sex.

Re:Adult films

[Anonymous Coward]

*Sigh*

It's not the "R" stuff they put in it that will make a movie "clean up".

Start with a great story and good (or better) story tellers (actors, artists, etc.) and your movie will make money.

Unfortunately we get mediocre stories with weak story tellers and a bunch of unnecessary T&A thrown in to boost ratings. And the country seems to buy into it. Wow! this movie is rated R. It must mean that I'll like it.

Re:Adult films

[Golias]

Most of the supposed "adult" anime really is aimed at teens.

Of the three adult anime features I listed in my reply to the parent post, only one ("Metropolis") is really intended for a teen audience. The other two would probably be perceived as rather dull by most pre-college teens.

Don't confuse anime from the "adult" section of the video store with anime made for adults.

Re:Adult films

[acroyear]

the disconnect with disney was solely for financial reasons.

the deal with disney was kinda like a deal with a record company. disney provided seed cash, in return for "ownership" (technically speaking, exclusive monopoly rights in perpetuity; legal ownership remained in pixar's hands) of the films, plots, and characters for distribution and merchandising purposes. it also set a specific royalty rate for how much of the gross pixar would get (and that wasn't very high).

worked fine when pixar didn't have any cash, and didn't know if their films would be hits or not.

now, with pixar having more than enough cash from the IPO and the gross profits on monsters and nemo, pixar simply doesn't need that kind of relationship anymore. pixar has the seed capital it needs to fund its movies directly, and has no interest in any deal that sees it give up its rights under such terms.

pixar could reasonably accept a deal where buena vista distributes the movie, disney home video sells the dvd/video, and disney's toy department does the merchandise, IF the deal puts the majority of the gross into pixar, as they deserve for coming up with the material.

eisner refused to see it this way, and would only approve a deal that kept the lion's share of the profits to disney.

I see pixar in the right here. for disney to claim that they should take the majority of the profits simply because they did the manufacturing and distribution is absurd.

Re:Adult films

[object88]

"Finding Nemo" was a movie for children and parents.

Agreed. I thought Finding Nemo wasn't nearly as good as other Pixar works, although I will admit to loving the whale conversations.

OTOH, I'm really excited to see "The Incredibles".

Re:Adult films

[tuffy]

Of the three adult anime features I listed in my reply to the parent post, only one ("Metropolis") is really intended for a teen audience. The other two would probably be perceived as rather dull by most pre-college teens.

"Grave of the Fireflies" was meant for young teens and preteens as an educational sort of film. That's why it was originally shown as a double feature with "Totoro". Ultimately, there's a lot of anime that adults can enjoy, but hardly any that's specifically made for adults.

Re:Adult films

[Asmotheque]

I saw it before Bug's Life. I think it's my favorite Pixar short, by far.

Re:Adult films

[Anonymous Coward]

The plots of Mission Impossible and MI-2 are complicated? Seriously, you are joking, right?

Re:Adult films

[DunbarTheInept]

Consider the toys used in Toy Story: A Speak and Spell. A Mr Potato Head. A wooden pull-string cowboy. A Barrel of monkeys. etc. These were clearly not aimed at the generation that were children at the time the movie was aired. They were aimed at the generation that were children a decade or two before that, who had played with those toys. People who were adults at the time of the movie's release. It was designed so that children get the enjoyment of the storyline, while adults get the enjoyment of nostalgia, and humor borne from nostalgia references.

That's been Pixar's style for quite some time.

Re:Adult films

[Anonymous Coward]

I guess this would suite you

Re:Adult films

[DunbarTheInept]

The reason for disliking dubbed movies has nothing to do with the fact that it's dubbed. It has to do with the fact that the sounds of the original actors' voices actually match the characters personality and appearance well, and the sounds of the dubbing don't. The animators draw the characters to fit the original voices. And by "fit" I don't just mean the mouth matching the words. I mean the various "emotes" - the raised eyebrow at the right moment - the shaking of the fist in the air at the right moment, and the right tone of voice to express the right emotion. If I hear the orignal actor, even though I can't understand what's being said I can get the emotional message, and then when I combine that with reading the subtitled words it fits together well.

Now, that's with Japanese. With Chinese, I would prefer a dub, because the language is tonal and thus ends up accidentally communicating emotions to me that were not intended.

Re:Adult films

[Blublu]

Heh, they wouldn't even have to do much. Just re-render the movie without womens' clothing. :)

Re:Adult films

[Anonymous Coward]

Well, there's hentai, and I'm pretty sure THAT isn't aimed at kids. *snicker*

Re:Adult films

[Anonymous Coward]

The others were mutated super-fish.

Re:Adult films

[Araxen]

It had a really bad story is what killed it. It had some of the best CGI I've ever seen. If they actually did a movie that had the characters from Final Fantasy 7 or another one of the games and a good story it would have done some pretty decent numbers.

Square shot themselves in the foot with the story in Final Fantasy:The Spirits Within period

Re:Adult films

[Araxen]

It just didn't have the FF feel to me at least. I wish they would go back to the castles and horses instead of the Sci-Fi stuff.

Leave Sci-Fi to Sci-Fi series.

Re:Adult films

[DohDamit]

Wow. You liked The Princess Bride, but didn't like Nemo? Oh wait...you just didn't like the advertisements. Natch. Let me lay out a little comparison for you.

Both Nemo and Bride are journey stories, with their main characters needing to change to arrive at their destination. In Bride, there were two levels of this: one in the story, the other with Columbo. Both stories had bits of absurdist humor, both stories had excellent side characters(the gulls in Nemo are priceless), and both stories ended with a show of honest connection between a young boy and their patriarch.

Frankly, anyone who goes out of their way to style their language flags the Nietzche quote about how the rage against the vapidness of adolescent behavior is adolescence in yet another form. Ahh well. Living is fun.

I guess in the end, I'm saying that if you can get over the fact you are watching talking fish(come on...you can take pirates, giants, princesses, sea serpents, death caves, and derrying-do, but you can't take talking fish?) you might just like the movie.

Re:Adult films

[Sdrawcab]

I meant something of the realism of the Final Fantasy movie. The linked stuff is pretty sad.

Re:Adult films

[N1KO]

Children in the rest of the world would find Cowboy Bebop, Gilgamesh or The Wings of Honneamise extremely boring.

Cowboy Bebop also has scenes of drug use, transexuals, transvestite prostitutes and intercourse between two men. Berserk has male prostitution, rape, child rape and menstruation.

I think kids 13-15 would understand some of these topics, but that seems like an extremely narrow target audience.

Btw, most people I know who watch anime (including myself) are not Americans.

Re:Adult films

[rjung2k]

Frankly Finding Nemo seemed so vapidly childish to me that I could be bothered to see it.

Your opinion is worthless, then, since you have no factual basis for your mistaken conclusion. Calling Finding Nemo "vapidly childish" is like calling Saving Private Ryan a "slapstick comedy."

Re:Adult films

[rjung2k]

I think Pixar has the technological and animation skills to do realistic humans if they want to. I think they deliberately avoid realistic humans to keep the cartoonish style -- instead of having an audience trying to figure out if the CGI humans "look right" or not, the audience can simply accept that the humans are animated, and get into the movie itself.

Re:Adult films

[cfuse]

And btw, by 'geared towards adults' I certainly don't mean sex and explosions ...

There go my hopes for a Pixar produced anime epic with heaps of tentacle rape.

Re:Adult films

[Golias]

Fair enough, but it was a PG-13 movie, and certainly not the sort of thing you would put in as a double-feature they typical Disney family cartoon, such as Tarzan or The Lion King.

Also, you conveniently skipped over "Millennium Actress", which you can't really even fully appreciate until you've been exposed to your fair share of Japanese arthouse cinema, which is not true of many teens.

Re:Adult films

[DarkSarin]

Yes, it was dreamworks.

They still ...

[Augusto]

... have to release this and their next film "Cars" with Disney. After that, they no longer have to have their films distributed by Disney.

Also Disney gets the rights to any sequels for these films, if Pixar refuses to make sequels for them. (Like Toy Story 3)

Re:They still ...

[Schnapple]

Also Disney gets the rights to any sequels for these films, if Pixar refuses to make sequels for them. (Like Toy Story 3)

But it's even more fun than that - Disney owns the rights to the characters in Toy Story, but Pixar owns the rights to the new characters introduced in Toy Story 2, so none of them will be in a Pixar-less Toy Story 3.

Also, does anyone else think it's odd from the trailer that it's like Pixar wants to disown A Bug's Life?

Re:They still ...

[chancycat]

Also, does anyone else think it's odd from the trailer that it's like Pixar wants to disown A Bug's Life?

Actually, I thought that was odd too - Personnaly, I liked A Bug's Life more than Nemo - and have been wondering why there has been no Bug's Life follow-on. I bet it has more to do with name recognition than "disowning" as Pixar's creative spirit wouldn't likely allow for the shunning of a perfectly fine creation.

Re:They still ...

[NaugaHunter]

I don't think they want to disown it, so much as they aren't going to list every movie every time. They made their name with Toy Story, and Monsters, Inc. and Finding Nemo are both their best performers and most recent films. Assuming this does well, Cars (their next feature) will probably list Toy Story, Finding Nemo, and The Incredibles.

FWIW, I loved A Bug's Llife. Dennis Leary as a ladybug? Brilliant! Dave Foley nailed the free thinking ant. Kevin Spacey, Richard Kind, David Hyde Pierce... There was just lots of under-appreciated voice acting in that movie*. The plot was the thinnest, or at least the most straightforward, since Toy Story, but an enjoyable film nonetheless.

* They've had good voice acting in every movie, but this seems the most underrated.

Re:They still ...

[JosefK]

I seem to recall reading or hearing an interview with John Lasseter where he said that they weren't really interested in sequels as a general principle. They want to to fresh stories every time. Toy Story 2 was an exception, first because they were still early in their deal with Disney, who want nothing but sequels, and because they felt the story was good enough and distinct enough from the first movie.

The issue of knockoff sequels (like the direct-to-video Buzz Lightyear thing) was a major issue in the negotiations with Disney. Pixar wanted to get out early and take their next two films home, but Disney threatened to make up for the two movies by doing their own sequels to the earlier movies. I never saw what the final deal was.

Re:They still ...

[bastion_xx]

It's probably due more to the fact that the view audience can still remember Saving Nemo while A Bug's Life is older.

I liked Saving Nemo more than A Bug's Life due more to my salt water hobby (addiction).

Re:They still ...

[Bricklets]

Personnaly, I liked A Bug's Life more than Nemo - and have been wondering why there has been no Bug's Life follow-on

Probably because with Toy Story 2, Disney didn't honor that film as part of the 5-movie deal between Disney and Pixar since it was a "sequel." Hence, no more sequels since.

Re:They still ...

[Schnapple]

Well it's more than that - in the Nemo trailers they didn't mention Bug's Life either. Perhaps Bug's Life is in that situation where it's both not their most recognized brand and it's also not their most recent bankable work. Too bad really.

Re:They still ...

[DroppedPacket]

Sorry, but I don't like A Bugs Life. The Magnificent Seven (yes I know it was a remake of The Seven Samuri) remade using Insects! Way too predictable, and quite frankly, my house gets ants every year. They aren't cute and cuddly.

Re:They still ...

[xgamer04]

The best part of that whole movie is the elementary school kids' presentation. I still can't watch it without laughing.

Re:They still ...

[Ryosen]

> quite frankly, my house gets ants every year.

My house is inundated with toys. Nothing that I do to get rid of those damn toys ever seems to work. Every time I put them away, the little bastards come right back out again. They're worse than cockroaches! Not even the lights deter them! I suspect my two-year old is somehow responsible.

And, yet, despite all this, I still manage to enjoy Toy Story.

Hooray!

[alexatrit]

The previews make the movie out to be rather humourous. Samuel L. Jackon screaming "WHERE is my SUPER-SUIT, woman?!?" It'll make millions off that line alone, nevermind the killer renderings.

Re:Hooray!

[AIX-Hood]

It definitely perpetuates Dave Chappelle's view of the Samuel L. Jackson as "that guy who yells non-stop in all of his movies."

Re:Hooray!

[the MaD HuNGaRIaN]

who delivers ten times out of ten?

Re:Hooray!

[The Ultimate Fartkno]

> Samuel L. Jackon screaming "WHERE is my SUPER-SUIT, woman?!?"

I hate to recycle this joke again, but...

Pixar trailer downloaded from web = $0

FOSS audio editor from SourceForge = $0

Alone at home on a Friday night = $0

Bringing the web to a crawl with your "WHERE
is my SUPER-SUIT, BITCH?" video being sent
to every workplace mailbox in existance: Priceless.

Re:Hooray!

[mbbac]

Make it so!

Re:Hooray!

[f8free]

Yeah, that's a funny line. The problem... it's probably the funniest line in the whole movie.

Once I've decided to go see a movie, I try to avoid the previews because they give away the story, ruin all the best jokes, and show all the coolest explosions.

Also, horror movie trailers feature many of the "pop-out" scenes so you're not really surprised by them in the theater. And when is that guy who does the narration for them finally going to die? You know who I'm talking about...

Re:Hooray!

[Anonymous Coward]

Audio library. That guy died a long time ago.

Old news?

[Erik Soderstrom]

Ehm... I remember seeing some teasers and stuff like that on the official homepage like 4-5 months ago, at least... whats so special about the release of another trailer, especially when the film itself isn't "new" as in "just announced".... If you mod me down I will hunt you until my teeth sink into your flesh.

i-tunes

[Walker2323]

What's with the mandatory i-tunes requirement to see the large screen? Very annoying for those of us that don't want yet another multimedia viewer clogging the machine. Isn't Quicktime good enough?

Re:i-tunes

[brauwerman]

Typical cross-promotional marketing crap. ...

Some of us gave Apple $30 for a Quicktime Pro license specifically to get access to full-screen Quicktime movies.

Just another reminder why deciding to pay any company for a license instead of a product is a pathetic leap of faith.

Re:i-tunes

[Anonymous Coward]

Isn't Quicktime good enough?

They can't force me to install Quicktime ever again. I really hate missing these trailers, but I'm not screwing up my box just to watch advertisements. I wish I could install Quicktime, watch the trailer, and uninstall, but Quciktime doesn't uninstall fully. I wish they'd do what Real did. At least I can was Real files now.

Re:i-tunes

[Anonymous Coward]

If you paid money for full-screen support of Quicktime files when vlc does the same thing for free (as in beer and speech), then you deserve whatever you get.

Quicktime Pro is worth the $30 to people who use all the other features. Paying for it just to get the full-screen feature is asinine.

Re:i-tunes

[OlivierB]

Most of the Apps out there don't uninstall fully and in a clean way. Care to tell us why Quicktime is worse than others?
Just get the VideoLan player or Media Player Classic (the one from Sourceforge not MSFT stuff).
What else do you need?

Re:i-tunes

[mbbac]

They're providing massive amounts of bandwidth at no cost to the end user. Quit whining.

Re:i-tunes

[ThisIsFred]

What's a "quicktime"? I have a movie player than handles nearly every digital format known to man. Why can't I just download it and watch it? I don't have a "registry" or a "quicktime", just a damn good video player.

Re:i-tunes

[Jardine]

What's with the mandatory i-tunes requirement to see the large screen? Very annoying for those of us that don't want yet another multimedia viewer clogging the machine

Or those of us who don't live in the US and therefore can't use itunes anyway.

Re:i-tunes

[Anonymous Coward]

Are you a troll? Your post sure does smell like one.

iTunes is not restricted to the US.
iTunes Music Store currently is.

iTunes is an pplication, iTunes Music Store is a music download service. Big difference.

Re:i-tunes

[Jardine]

And the point of using the application when you can't use the music store would be...? I've already got free, clean, seperate players for audio and for video.

Re:i-tunes

[golgafrincham]

are they mad or did i do something wrong? the i-tunes installer is about 20mb. wtf? it's just a media player! i for sure won't download a 20mb media player.

Re:i-tunes

[danila]

And they use that bandwidth to serve advertisments to end users. So they thought it would be a great idea to force the users jump through the hoops in order to view these ads...

Re:i-tunes

[mbbac]

It's not really an advertizement if you're seeking it out, is it?

You're using the loathed "advertizement" word to get out of the fact that Apple is spending money to quickly get content that you want to you. And you're whining about it because you don't like jumping through their hoops.

Re:i-tunes

[danila]

advertisement: a public promotion of some product or service. Trailers are advertisements. Not all advertisements are loathed, some are useful and people actually seek them out. And while I enjoy watching some trailers, please do not think they are the end in themselves. Movies are. I (like most people) use the trailers to decide whether I want to see a movie or not. Thus trailers are advertisements for movies. And while I may seek out these ads, expecting me to pay for them is simply insane. I will download large versions. If Apple closes that too, I will download trailers from film websites. If they won't have the trailers (only the links to Apple.com), I will not see them and probably watch less movies. Is that what studios want? If not, they better rethink their partnerships with Apple...

Quicktime? iTunes?

[Anonymous Coward]

No thanks...

I think I'm going to wait until the trailer is in a video format that doesn't require me to run bloated software, before I see it. Quicktime is a memory hog and an all-around bad application, on the PC at least.

Does the MPAA have some kind of deal with Apple? It's disheartening to see so many movies choosing to release their trailers with this horrible format.

Re:Quicktime? iTunes?

[Tarantolato]

Quicktime sux0rz, but you can see all the clips on Flash at the Disney site.

Seems to be a takeoff on the old Captain Marvel (I guess there's no shame in ripping off the world's most generic superhero franchise).

Shazam!

Re:Quicktime? iTunes?

[Anonymous Coward]

Duh, could it be that Pixar has some kind of deal with Apple?

Re:Quicktime? iTunes?

[Bobdoer]

Well, a large amount of the best film editing software only comes out on the Mac, so you may have a point there.

Re:Quicktime? iTunes?

[mosschops]

I'm going to wait until the trailer is in a video format that doesn't require me to run bloated software, before I see it.

My dear Cinderella, you shall go to the ball.

Re:Quicktime? iTunes?

[Anonymous Coward]

The video editing is all done with a mac, and final cut pro exports directly to quicktime. Quicktime looks better than any other video format out there and it works seemlessly with a mac. They use Quicktime because it is the best looking video format out there. Plus Jobs owns Pixar and Apple....

Personally, I refuse to view Windows Media files because Windows Media Player for the mac is a bloated application that takes too long to start up and still looks terrible. I had Windows media player installed for a day but currently it's not even on my computer.

Re:Quicktime? iTunes?

[real_smiff]

damn you! i was going to get the karma. only i waited to test it ;) yes the clip plays fine with MPC and QT alternative. quality is nice. the movie looks ok. we probably won't get it in the UK until next year, ho-hum ... :/

Re:Quicktime? iTunes?

[iainl]

If the last couple of Pixar films are anything to go by, expect the US DVD release about a month after the UK cinema release.

As much as its annoying having to wait in the first place, its quite cool that I can see it once on the big digital screen in all its glory, and then don't have to either wait 6 months to see it a second time, or pay through the nose for multiple cinema visits. With Finding Nemo I was a bit slow to get to it in the cinema, so I saw it on the Sunday, and my DVD turned up two days later, which was nice.

Re:Quicktime? iTunes?

[mosschops]

we probably won't get it in the UK until next year, ho-hum ... :/

Still, we can normally buy it on DVD from play.com before it hits the cinemas here :-)

Re:Quicktime? iTunes?

[gaijin99]

That's whatyou get for running Windows. Xine processes Quicktime files just fine. Quick, feature rich, nice interface, and very few problems. I like it. Actually, I vastly prefer the Xine interface to the Apple Quicktime inerface.

Re:Quicktime? iTunes?

[the_2nd_coming]

no, no deal, it is just that Quick Time is huge in hollywood (the platform, not the player).

Re:Quicktime? iTunes?

[Cappy Red]

If you're looking to play Windows Media files, you could try VLC.

I'm using version 0.6.2, and have few complaints. Not sure how it falls in the bloat scale... but it isn't WMP.


*honk*

Re:Quicktime? iTunes?

[mm0mm]

if you are referring to Avid you are correct. More precisely many of broadcast quality NLE are Quicktime based. Avid also offers Xpress for Windows platforms, but AFAIK media(video) files are stored in .omf, which is essentially Quicktime. I'm not saying one format is superior to the other, but Avid has been this way. As for the studios, the reason Quicktime is preferred I think is because of the quality/file size of codec (by Sorensen).

I'm just curious what format would satisfy the parent poster. AVI? RealPlayer? ASF? WMV? last time I tried to watch streaming video(Windows Media), it didn't play but asked me to install WMP9. Thanks for asking, but where can I download WMP9 that runs on my machine?

oh, I have a solution. Let's promote MPEG!!!

Re:Quicktime? iTunes?

[khuber]

Quicktime isn't a video format. It's just a container for various codecs. The Incredibles trailer is using a Sorenson video codec and a QDesign audio codec.

Re:Quicktime? iTunes?

[adamgeek]

avid offers a lot of stuff for windows, and afaik [i do not edit with avid products] all of their mac/pc based suites will work with a variety of video formats.

as far as "most" or "a lot" of professional quality video suites being for mac, and biased towards quicktime.. actually.. um, top level stuff isnt released on mac. about the only three worthwhile mac programs i can think of are FCP, shake, and protools. if you get into any high end stuff (i.e. $30k+) it's usually linux or sgi based.

why this stuff is released on quicktime.. beats me. someone is in bed with someone else, i suppose. releasing to AVI or mpeg would be just as efficient.. if not moreso, as i generally find quicktime codecs (for web quality dist. etc) to be pretty bloated in output compared to more pc friendly stuff.

i'm rambling. time to finish my lunch.

Craig T. Nelson

[AtariAmarok]

Looking forward to this one, with the underrated Craig T. Nelson providing voice talent for one of the main characters.

Re:Craig T. Nelson

[Tarantolato]

And Holly Hunter too. Grrrowll... Okay so she's a little old, but her voice is the best part and that's all their using! w00t!

Re:Craig T. Nelson

[Intocabile]

If you don't put "Coach" back on the air, I'll kill Craig T. Nelson.

Signed,
Peter Griffin

Re:Disney

[pavon]

They chose not to renew thier contract, but they are still obligated to produce a few films for Disney under the current contract, this being one of them. Also Disney still has rights on any sequels to the movies made under the original contract, so I wouldn't be surprised to see some some "release to video" craptaculars comming out of disney using the pixar characters.

Torrent

[AIX-Hood]

Don't know if people care since Apple is fast, but here's a torrent: http://www.filerush.com/torrents/the_incredibles-t lr_m480.mov.torrent

Re:Torrent

[GlynDavies]

Very much appreciated. With all the use of flash and embedded players these sites insist on using these days, it's non-trivial to find an actual download link for the .mov file, at least using my bog-standard MDK9.1 KDE install at work.

Your torrent lets me just ssh home, and kick off the download so it's waiting for me when I return. I imagine plenty of others would feel the same.

As I say, much appreciated.

(A bunch of posts explaining how stupid I am for not being able to do make MDK "just work" will, no doubt, follow!)

Re:Torrent

[Anonymous Coward]

Whore.

Looks like it will be a fun :)

[Pecisk]

Pixar have not failed me with Monsters, Inc. and Finding Nemo, I hope they will rock this time again. And let's forget about commerciality, Disney, or whatever - it's cinema, it should entertain, at least from Pixar.

Re:i-tunes requirement

[adzoox]

Just download the large trailer and then use the present movie feature.

This is much easier and the screen doesn't do all sorts of automatic funny resolution switching once the trailer is over either.

The iTunes requirement is due to the fact the audio is in protected lossless AAC in the full screen trailer. Not sure if this was a ploy or a way to get the file size down.

Holly Hunter

[Tarantolato]

But-wait-there's-more!

She plays Elastigirl!

iTunes

[Sabalon]

Okay...why the hell is iTunes required to watch a video now? Must be taking a page from the MS tie-in book.

Re:iTunes

[fireduck]

its not. This confused me as well. But I was able to open and play the "incredisize" video from the offical site just fine with no iTunes installed on my machine.

Re:iTunes

[lukewarmfusion]

iTunes is only required if you want to take advantage of the largest (fullscreen) size. You can still open up the others in your browser.

Re:iTunes

[Anonymous Coward]

I thought the same thing... gooo Apple.. make people happy then piss them off with that stupid pop infront of QuickTime.. hence the reason i use QuickTime alternative. Now Itunes will become the same.

Re:iTunes

[Sabalon]

That would be the requirement I'm talking about. Wasn't that way before...used to be they'd all open up just fine with quicktime, just some were embedded, some weren't.

Re:iTunes

[Anonymous Coward]

Recall that previously, full-screen trailers required Quicktime Pro. You just saved yourself $30.

Re:iTunes

[BensonLeung]

iTunes is required to watch the Full Screen version. Their reasoning must be that iTunes does a better job at displaying the trailer in Full Screen compared to Quicktime.

Quicktime has a nasty habit of actually changing the screen resolution on my monitor when I watch one of the full screen trailers. It resizes all of my open windows to match the 640 by 480 size. iTunes does no such thing.

And maybe because its harder to download the entire full screen trailer if they make it an iTunes only affair.

Re:iTunes

[k_187]

Actually, probably not. iTunes runs off of quicktime, so you're watching it with quicktime either way. I'd imagine its just one more way to get people to download and install itunes, thus increasing the possibility that they'll buy stuff off the Music store, thus increasing the possibility they'll buy an iPod. Pretty clever if you ask me.

Re:iTunes

[mitchell_pgh]

iTunes is not required.

It is required if you click through from the Apple site or if you want to use iTunes to view it.

http://disney.go.com/disneypictures/incredibles/ma in.html

Please refrain from posting anti-Apple comments, because we drones will prove you wrong.

Re:iTunes

[Anonymous Coward]

Because Steve Jobs owns both.

Tech?

[KaiserZoze_860]

Aside from the fact that this looks like it'd be just as funny as Toy Story, Finding Nemo, etc... What are they running for web services - seriously?

The 2 trailers loaded extremely fast (on the main site) and the Flash loaded faster than I could click "Skip Intro." Over all, a very well made site.

Disney without Pixar is going to be like Apple without Steve Jobs... Oh, wait...

Re:Tech?

[Anonymous Coward]

Not sure about the Flash stuff, but all of Apple's trailers are hosted on Akamai's servers.

Re:Tech?

[BensonLeung]

Akamai. You won't see these sites /. today.

Re:Tech?

[mbbac]

What are they running for web services - seriously?

Xserves and WebObjects.

Re:Tech?

[globalar]

They have been pushing iTunes a little more recently. For example, on their quicktime download page, iTunes is the default download, not a standalone Quicktime client (at least for me). It was mentioned a while ago on /. that the QT platform is basically encapsulated on the Windows platform in either the QT player or iTunes. With the success of iTunes and it's greater potential for mass-market draw, it would make sense to push iTunes over QT-standalone. QT by itself may eventually only be a browser plugin.

Stock position

[GPLDAN]

I don't care if they make films for kids, films for teens, films for old age home dwellers. I got in to Pixar in the summer of 2003 at $53/share. The rumors were already flying that trouble with Disney was brewing, but I thought they'd mend ways for a larger percentage. Instead, that bonehead Eisner cut them loose. He also cut Michael Moore's new film loose, even though that will also do huge business. Never let politics interfere with business, what a shmuck.

I just want these films to come out and be big, smash hits. So, when Pixar goes to Sony or somebody else for distro rights, they get a blockbuster deal and the stock shoots up to $80 or beyond. My $10k in should return well if that happens. I'll take 35% over two years, for my annualized rate of return, thank you very much.

Re:Stock position

[AceCaseOR]

Um... IIRC, Pixar chose to split with Disney, they weren't kicked out (unless Eisner did a immature little thing like going "You can't quit, you're fired!").

Re:Stock position

[Slicebo]

Tell me again: How many chickens will you have when those eggs hatch?

"In Theatres 11-5-2004"

[Minwee]

Apparently, this movie was released three days ago.

Why are we just hearing about it now?

Re:"In Theatres 11-5-2004"

[xirtam_work]

That doesn't mean 11th May 2004 like you think it does.

US date format mean that 11-5-2004 is 5th November 2004 (guy fawkes night akak bonfire night) here in the UK.

Re:"In Theatres 11-5-2004"

[lukewarmfusion]

OMG LOL!!!!1

Another month-day switchup post, none of which are funny and all of which are annoying.

Re:"In Theatres 11-5-2004"

[CrazyBusError]

Oh go on then, let's feed the troll:

It means 5th November, hence the 170-odd day countdown at the bottom.

I'd let you off with a 'I'm European/British, these dates confuse me' excuse, except even *I* figured that one out...

Re:"In Theatres 11-5-2004"

[shadow303]

On the off-chance that you are being serious, that would be November 5th, since Americans list month before day when writing dates.

Re:"In Theatres 11-5-2004"

[Anonymous Coward]

What the hell?
We weren't supposed to hit Mars for another 6 months?!?

Whhuummpppppphhhhfffff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re:"In Theatres 11-5-2004"

[syntax]

If only people would use ISO 8601 (YYYY-MM-DD for dates), the standard for representing date time. It's extremely hard to confuse it with any other formats (as I've never seen anyone write YYYY-DD-MM), and it has the added bonus of being able to sort it chronologically by sorting it numerically.

Re:"In Theatres 11-5-2004"

[jherekc]

I can never understand why the americans insist on writing mm-dd-yy, it's like writing mm:hh:ss which would just be stupid...

Re:"In Theatres 11-5-2004"

[Anonymous Coward]

I thought that was ISO 1608

Re:"In Theatres 11-5-2004"

[Minwee]

Wow. Another "That's not funny" post.

Those are _always_ amusing.

Re:"In Theatres 11-5-2004"

[theEd]

Why not the epoch?
The release date would then be: 1102226400

Re:"In Theatres 11-5-2004"

[Libertius]

Actually, it's more like writing mm:ss:hh.

Re:"In Theatres 11-5-2004"

[iamsure]

Uhh, no. If we were to be consistently illogical, it would be..

Days in a month, which are in a year.
(mm-dd-yy)

Seconds in an minute, which are in an hour.
(mm:ss:hh)

But we generally use hours, minutes, seconds (hh:mm:ss), and month, day, year (mm-dd-yy).

Why? Because we hate the metric system, consistency, clarity, and other non-US crap.

Don't even get me started on daylight savings time.. sigh.

Re:"In Theatres 11-5-2004"

[Anonymous Coward]

I can never understand why the americans insist on writing mm-dd-yy, it's like writing mm:hh:ss which would just be stupid...

Because that is how we say the date, also: November 5th, 2004.

In America, saying "5 November" marks you as being military, ex-military, or wanna-be military. Saying "5th November" comes across as a pretentious affectation (at least in most of America's cultural regions - it might be OK in places where State Department officials cluster). Of course it would be fine if you have a European accent to go with it.

Saying "the 5th of November" is fine, but very formal.

Re:"In Theatres 11-5-2004"

[cmpalmer]

Well, I was going to flippantly comment that it is the correct numerical equivalent to writing out the date as, say, "November 5th, 2004", but then I realized that many (non-American) people write "5 November 2004". Do the the people who write it the latter way say "5 November" or "November 5th"?

Re:"In Theatres 11-5-2004"

[L0rdJedi]

Don't even get me started on daylight savings time..

It's daylight saving time, not savings :p

Re:"In Theatres 11-5-2004"

[Anonymous Coward]

Here in Australia (dd-mm-yyyy land) at least, people say it in lots of ways:
* five november
* fifth of november
* november the fifth
* november five

Frankly though, I don't think that the "write it the way it's said" reasoning makes for a good justification. After all, when you talk about time you might say "a quarter past four", but you'd always write that 4:15

I can't think of any other countries which use mm-dd-yyyy (except for Canadians, who I've heard use both dd-mm and mm-dd!) or the reverse being yyyy-dd-mm. Nevertheless, when I write a date down I'll put 5/Nov/2004 for clarity - doing it that way avoids any more y2k-like issues also :-)

Re:"In Theatres 11-5-2004"

[tehcyder]

But in the UK it's also quite usual to write November 5th 2004, so where's the logic now?

Re:"In Theatres 11-5-2004"

[Anonymous Coward]

...but then I realized that many (non-American) people write "5 November 2004". Do the the people who write it the latter way say "5 November" or "November 5th"?

For some reason, probably due to the way airline reservation systems were designed, reservation agents always talk "day month" as is "you are departing on five May to Bangalore, returning to San Jose on twelve May. Enjoy your IT tech interview!"

Re:"In Theatres 11-5-2004"

[Anonymous Coward]

On behalf of American everywher I would like to apologize for this. We are very sorry. I was a mistake from the beginning, and now we're stuck.

Re:"In Theatres 11-5-2004"

[RatBastard]

After I got a digital camera I switched to YYYYMMDD. Now all my pictures sort themselves.

Re:"In Theatres 11-5-2004"

[goatpunch]

Americans also say "Fourth of July". There's an old British rhyme that starts "Remember, remember the 5th of November...".

Re:"In Theatres 11-5-2004"

[Anonymous Coward]

Easy. Because when we speak we say, "Today is May 14th, 2004".

You normally do not use seconds when you give the time so your analogy is not applicable.

Re:"In Theatres 11-5-2004"

[repetty]

ISO 8601 is A standard... not THE standard.

There are several "standards" that function just as well. What you said isn't wrong, but implies that there's one (and only one) right standard and that just isn't true.

--Richard

Re:"In Theatres 11-5-2004"

[shadow303]

Hmm, funny how you got -1 Redundant, and I got +1 Informative even though you beat me by ten minutes. Those wacky moderators...

Re:"In Theatres 11-5-2004"

[LarsWestergren]

Well, in Swedish, German, French and (I think) Japanese at least, you say it in the order "5 November"...

femte november
fumfer November
cinqueme Novembre
("fifth day" - forgot what that is) juuichigatsu

Bah. I wish I could boast that I was quadlingual, but even though I have studied these languages I have forgotten almost everything. I had to look up the spelling for most of the words, and I'm still not sure I got it right!

Hey, a great opportunity to tell my favourite Eurotrash joke.
Q: "If you call someone who speaks three languages trilingual, someone who speaks two bilingual, can you guess what you call someone who speaks only one language?"
A: "American".

No offence. ;-)

Re:"In Theatres 11-5-2004"

[Anonymous Coward]

They're not supposed to be amusing. They're supposed to get dingbats like you to stop posting stupid, unfunny comments.

Re:"In Theatres 11-5-2004"

[cmpalmer]

Interesting.

Of course, the American way (which I use, but admit is faulty) is only ambiguous for the first 12 days of the month...

Re:"In Theatres 11-5-2004"

[Anonymous Coward]

And if only they'd write in on A4 paper!

While driving at 60kph!

In a car that uses 5L/100km!

Actually they do do all these things - they just don't do them in the US. Since that's only a small minority of people anyway, it's not really such a problem.

Re:"In Theatres 11-5-2004"

[dcstimm]

good point, stupid non americans!, j/k

Re:"In Theatres 11-5-2004"

[xirtam_work]

yeah, i know. thanks for the thought.

mods on crack? surely not!

Re:"In Theatres 11-5-2004"

[Tesla Tank]

Like wise, you normally do not say the year. I tell people today is May 14th or the 14th. Never have I said today is May 14th, 2004. I hope everyone at least knows the year.

Re:"In Theatres 11-5-2004"

[rice_web]

That's English for you. Remember the English is one of the most awkward languages ever devised, with its plethora of German-rooted irregularities.

Re:"In Theatres 11-5-2004"

[Yosho]

Actually, in Japanese, units of time always go from largest unit to smallest unit. So, it'd be:

juuichigatsu itsuka
(month day)

Or, a more general order:
year month day hour minute second

Of course, if that was all there were too it, it'd be far too easy -- you also have to remember that the first nine days of the month, plus day 20 and any day ending in a 4 use an alternate counting system. ;-)

Re:"In Theatres 11-5-2004"

[danila]

In Russian you say "pyatoe noyabrya" - same order.

Re:"In Theatres 11-5-2004"

[LarsWestergren]

Arigato gozaimashita. I remembered the name of the month, and that dates were very complicated, but not much else. :-)

Re:"In Theatres 11-5-2004"

[Anonymous Coward]

Now all my pictures sort themselves.

In Soviet Russia... Ugh, I'm too tired.

iTunes Bug

[millahtime]

I noticed that when I choose the full screen and iTunes open my screen went blank and stayed blank. I couldn't get out of it. Had to force a reboot. Seemed to be some kind of bug for my setup.

hold still

[ejort79]

ok ok already, I'm holding still

One of my favorites from Finding Nemo

[aborchers]

Gurgle: Don't you people realize we are swimming in our own ...

Peach: (interrupting) Shh! here he comes!

The thing most people don't get...

[slappyjack]

...about this mediu is that Pixar isn't simply a digital rendering company.

They're a MOVIE company. The reason their stuff is so well loved by the general populace is that they're first and foremost moviemakers. All of the stuff Ive seen from them so far is incredibly well written. That goes for not only their features but their shorts, too. Even the ones with no dialog in them.

The fact that they take these scripts and make them happen in a totally rendered environment is more than a creative choice than anything else. The script HAS to be good, and dead on, and not have a lot of slop, because the rendering proces is so time consuming and expensive (for now.) The medium in a sense culls out the shit material, because no matter how much you polish up a peice of shit, it's still going to be shit.

Films like Toy Story and Monsters Inc. COULD have been made in the traditional way, with actors and such, but by doing the whole thing as animation they get away from moments in the film where the audience would mentally break off with the thought "Holy Fuck, that's a coolass special effect."

IMHO, The fact that these are marketed and skewed towards a younger audience is mainly because, as a culture, the US isn't ready to accept animated ANYTHING as a serious medium for carying adult themes. If Pixar was a Japanese company, half the stuff they made probably wouldnt be viewable by children. Take Cowboy Bebop as an example. Anime, purely cartoon, but NOT for kids. I wont even go into things like Ghost in the Shell. This cultural disconnect in the States is why you see things like a row full of nine year olds sitting in a theater watching Terrance and Phillip sing songs about how the other likes to anally rape his uncle.

Re:The thing most people don't get...

[wheresdrew]

"This cultural disconnect in the States is why you see things like a row full of nine year olds sitting in a theater watching Terrance and Phillip sing songs about how the other likes to anally rape his uncle."

Now, now. They only sang about how they like to "fuck" their uncles. Rape isn't mentioned at all in the song. How do you know the uncles in question haven't consented? =o)

Re:The thing most people don't get...

[Jonas the Bold]

Um, its more than that. Animated movies are different from live action movies in that nothing is real to begin with, so doing rediculous things is much more easily accepted. If toy story had been live action, and the toy soldiers were live action actors, for example, it would have been dumb. Same with the rest of their movies, none of them would have "worked".

And yeah. They are a movie company. They make brilliant movies with great writing and characters. But also great is the character animation.

The character animation in these movies is simply better than anything anyone else does. The animators are roughly equivelant to the actors in a live action movie, without them, it just isn't believable. What's nice about Pixar movies is that because their animation is so good, every one of their movies is like having an all-star cast, which keeps people watching. The visual gags in those movies are so funny because of the skill of the animators. The fact that you can forget you're watching animation and just watch the characters and the movie are a testament to their skill.

This is what disney used to do, but Pixar is now the new disney. It's not about the CG vs 2d cartoons, as disney seems to think, its about the quality. Pixar is doing the best animation every done.

Re:The thing most people don't get...

[Snodgrass]

IMHO, The fact that these are marketed and skewed towards a younger audience is mainly because, as a culture, the US isn't ready to accept animated ANYTHING as a serious medium for carying adult themes.

Maybe...but I think a more likely reason is that if you make a show that the whole family can watch, then you're getting money for the whole family.

As a parent, I'm willing to fork over the $6 a head for the whole family to go have some fun together. If it was something I thought was inappropriate for the kids, well, then they're only getting money for my wife and I.

Family fare has always been a safe business model.

Re:The thing most people don't get...

[catbutt]

Well that doesn't explain why animated movies are more likely to be kid oriented that other movies. After all Lord or the Rings and the Matrix etc made a lot of money too, and I doubt they would have made more money if they somehow made them more "little kid friendly". If making family fare was really a safer business model, you'd see a lot more live action family oriented movies than you do.

Personally I think there is something about animation -- especially non-realistic looking animation -- that appeals to kids more than it does to adults. However, the lines are blurring between animation and live action. Many movies (new Star Wars movies, Lord of the Rings, the Matrix, etc) are heaviliy CG to the point that soon nothing but the actors will be live action (or, in the case of Dinosaur, nothing but the backgrounds). And while Final Fantasy was probably before its time, soon photorealtic humans will be possible, allowing fully animated movies that don't "look" animated. As that happens, I think you will see a lot more adult fare that is fully animated.

Re:The thing most people don't get...

[zemoo]

Speaking of which...
Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow

Live action, nothing but the actors is real

Re:The thing most people don't get...

[16K Ram Pack]

Their movies are cool because they do them properly.

I've read enough about Hollywood movies to get the view that most are based on "get idea, hire stars, hire director, write movie". The guys at Pixar ISTM are doing what the studios did in the 40s - they get the story right before doing anything else.

Re:The thing most people don't get...

[DunbarTheInept]

...about this mediu is that Pixar isn't simply a digital rendering company.

They're a MOVIE company. The reason their stuff is so well loved by the general populace is that they're first[emphasis added] and foremost moviemakers.


Foremost, a movie company? These days, yes that is true.
But, "First", a movie company? No. Their moviemaking talents showed up later after the company had been around for a while.

They were a digital rendering company long before they were in the movie business. They were even making computer hardware for the express purpose of rendering, back before it was practical to do it quickly on a generic workstation. There was once such a thing as a "Pixar computer", which was a "black box" without a console, that you had to feed screen description files from a secondary more console-ish computer of your own choosing, and it would spit back the final rendered result (eventually).

It's just a really wonderful coincidence that the people running the show are ALSO excellent storytellers and their talent has shined through, but this was not the reason the company was founded. It's just where they find themselves today.

Re:The thing most people don't get...

[rjung2k]

IMHO, The fact that these are marketed and skewed towards a younger audience is mainly because, as a culture, the US isn't ready to accept animated ANYTHING as a serious medium for carying adult themes.

For other studios, maybe. But all the bigwigs at Pixar -- including John Lasseter and Steve Jobs -- have repeatedly said that they deliberately aim to produce movies that the entire family can go see together. They will explore adult themes and complex issues, sure, but their stuff is "skewed towards a younger audience" is because they want to. Bravo!

Looks like a comic ripoff

[strredwolf]

Okay, lets see now...

Two rips from the Fantastic Four. (ElasticMan, Invisible Girl)
Another two from Superman and/or Shazam. (Superman/Shazam and Luthor)
Fifth from The Flash.
Sixth from Iceman (X-Men?)

I think the only origonal character is... Edna.

Re:Looks like a comic ripoff

[Anonymous Coward]

uuummmm ....it's suppose to be

It's a satire about superheros

Re:Looks like a comic ripoff

[Anonymous Coward]

Dude, they can't always come up with new super heroes... Eventually they'll run out of cool super powers
If they did that we'd be watching Spatula Man and Cat-5 Girl by now...

Re:Looks like a comic ripoff

[SirSlud]

I'm pretty sure super powers are not 'unique' to individual super heros.

Impulse and The Flash were friends, and they both had the exact same super power.

I think you're being overly sensitive. Whats next, trashing any song with a guitar as a rip off of Hendrix?

Re:Looks like a comic ripoff

[platypibri]

Well c'mon now, I can think of lots of derivatives of Superman in comics right now off the top of my head.
Supreme, Martian Man Hunter, Gladiator, Mr. Majestic, Hyperion, Shazam (and the Marvel family), Steel... What's one more in a comedy movie?

Re:Looks like a comic ripoff

[Anonymous Coward]

Edna is actually 'E' (see the site) and is the gadget person... ring any bells?

hint: 007

Re:Looks like a comic ripoff

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually Edna isn't completely original either. She's an homage to probably the most famous Hollywood costume designer, Edith Head.

Re:Looks like a comic ripoff

[CptNerd]

Dude, they can't always come up with new super heroes... Eventually they'll run out of cool super powers
If they did that we'd be watching Spatula Man and Cat-5 Girl by now...

Hey, man, Cat-5 Girl is hot...

Link

[Anonymous Coward]

direct link to trailer

Movie hits too close to home for comfort...

[Anonymous Coward]

I don't really want to see a movie about a guy who used to be great but got fat and old...

Adult scene NOT in trailer

[skinny.net]

Samuel L. Jackson: Where is my supersuit?!
wife: Which one is it?
SLJ: The one that says Bad Mutha Fucka

Stupid Flash requirement

[calidoscope]

Unfortunately, this is like the other fsck'ing Disney sites that only allows entry if you have the latest and greatest in Flash players - which don't seem to be available in anything but WindBlows.

Re:Stupid Flash requirement

[Anonymous Coward]

Eh? I've got it running on SuSE and Debian unstable.

Re:Stupid Flash requirement

[chryso]

Running Gentoo with current emerges for libflashplayer and mplayerplug-in I can run the site great and view the trailer right inside of Firefox.

I saw comments similar to this several times already for this article. It seems a lot of people complain about the lack of availability on non-Windows machines for these websites without actually checking to see if their OS is capable of playing it first.

Re:Stupid Flash requirement

[elwell642]

I use Firefox on both Linux and Windows, and flash plays fine for me.

But hey, if you want to hug Lynx while bashing Disney and Microsoft, you go right ahead. =)

Re:Stupid Flash requirement

[Benabik]

Really?

*looks at his Mac OS X laptop*
*looks at the Incredibles web page loaded on it*

Huh. Never knew my Powerbook was running WindBlows. I thought it was Panther. Good to know.

Dude - where's my schlong?

[destinyland]

It looks cool - but how come Samuel L. Jackson has no crotch bulge whatsoever? Neither does the other male character. And all the women are flat-chested.

They've deliberately de-sexualized every character. I can understand that, I guess, but...

When Pixar included a trailer for "Finding Nemo" (on the "Monsters Inc" rental) it showed a scene that ultimately wasn't even in the movie.

The movie's not out until November anyways...

Becasue, you know, comics havent been...

[slappyjack]

...ripping themselves off for years now.

Let's see now...

Lobo - rip of Wolverine
Badger - rip off of Wolverine
Vindicator - rip off of Batman, with Iron Man tossed in
Quicksilver - Flash ripoff
Thor/Loki/Odin - Norse ripoff
Wolverine - rip of every legendary antihero since the aincent Greeks
Blade - The Punisher ripoff cooled by making him half vamipre
The Punisher - ripoff of everyones primal urge to fucking kill everyone that does them wrong

I think the only original character is... Stan Lee

Re:Becasue, you know, comics havent been...

[Dr.Dubious DDQ]

I think the only original character is... Stan Lee

You forgot "Obnoxio the Clown".

(Egad, did I just admit in public that I knew of that character?...)

Teaser and new trainler look like two movies

[Sabalon]

I saw the teaser trailing a while ago on the Finding Nemo DVD. Looks hilarious - superhero coming out of retirement.

However this new trailer makes the movie look completely different - a superhero team all very much in the now.

Either way,it's PIXAR so I'll be seeing it and when the kids get the DVD, I'll be seeing it again and again. About the only thing that may make this different is the characters are people as opposed to talking animals and toys etc...

Re:Teaser and new trainler look like two movies

[CaseyB]

The plot summary on IMDB sounds more like that indicated by the teaser. The trailer must be showing just scenes either recalling the old days or after the team has gotten their steam again. Maybe both, hence the red suit/blue suit differences?

Re:Teaser and new trainler look like two movies

[Angostura]

I'm sure that Mr Incredible's waist size changes too. There are certain shots - "Show Time!" that are common to both. I'm sure he is fatter there.

I think the word you're looking for is "homage"...

[alispguru]

... or maybe "satirical tribute".

Finally!... an adult film

[SilentChris]

I looked at the trailer than read through the comments before I got here, and was surprised to see a +5 saying Pixar only writes for children. Did he even watch the trailer?

This movie is for the Adult Swim crowd. It's got nothing "adult" in it (sex, violence -- well, there's explosions), but not every show on Adult Swim does either. It's the writing. Are children going to laugh at a character yelling "Where is my super suit, woman?!?" Probably not. But I laughed out loud more than a few times watching it.

Disney braves a thin line between children and adult entertainment (except for their refusal to distribute Michael Moore's latest movie, which is just dumb). Some stuff bridges the line rather admirably (like the Muppets, which they more or less acquired). Ditto on ABC after hours. A Bug's Life, though? Very little for adults to laugh at. Children will laugh at The Incredibles, but I have a feeling adults will get the most out of it.

Re:Finally!... an adult film

[Anonymous Coward]

like the Muppets, which they more or less acquired

No they didn't. The children of Jim Henson bought the Muppets back from a German company a few months ago. The next project is going to be MirrorMask written by Neil Gaiman and directed by Dave McKean, I can hardly wait.

Re:Finally!... an adult film

[El Destructo]

I wouldn't expect anything less from a Brad Bird film. I've been a fan since "Family Dog," the animated short he directed for Speilberg's Amazing Stories TV series.

Now that one of his films is getting the exposure and distribution it deserves (his last pic, Iron Giant, was banished by Fox to the kiddie matinee time slot), maybe he'll finally get the recognition he deserves.

Re:Finally!... an adult film

[Anonymous Coward]

except for their refusal to distribute Michael Moore's latest movie, which is just dumb

Actually, given Michael Moore's, um, tenuous hold on facts, I wouldn't distribute it either for fear of lawsuits.

Of course, I also think that Michael Moore is a pompous windbag, probably even worse than Rush Limbough or however you spell his name, so I'm all for keeping him from poluting the world with more of his crap.

Of course, maybe I'm just still bitter over falling for Bowling for Columbine. What a crappy piece of FUD that turned out to be, once it was paired together with facts.

All in all, not distributing his movie seems perfectly fair to me since he really doesn't deserve to have his crap spread.

Re:Finally!... an adult film

[Laplace]

Are children going to laugh at a character yelling "Where is my super suit, woman?!?" Probably not. But I laughed out loud more than a few times watching it.

Claiming that you have an adult sense of humor is a pretty string assumption.

parody

[shaka999]

parody ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pr-d)
n. pl. parodies

A literary or artistic work that imitates the characteristic style of an author or a work for comic effect or ridicule. See Synonyms at caricature.
The genre of literature comprising such works.
Something so bad as to be equivalent to intentional mockery; a travesty: The trial was a parody of justice.
Music. The practice of reworking an already established composition, especially the incorporation into the Mass of material borrowed from other works, such as motets or madrigals.

Superhero Interview

[SamSpectre]

The superhero interview 'bit' in the trailer looked like it was lifted straight from the The Tick animated series. *tap, tap, tap--is this thing on?* Now Pixar doing a Tick movie, THAT would be Great!

tries to get people into iTunes 4.5

[SuperBanana]

What's with the mandatory i-tunes requirement to see the large screen?

Apple finally figured out "full screen" wasn't enough to get people to buy Quicktime Pro. However, it will probably be more successful at getting users to install iTunes, update to the latest version, or open it if they've never opened it before.

It is pretty stupid, but in a twisted way makes sense from a marketing standpoint.

Re:tries to get people into iTunes 4.5

[Anonymous Coward]

If you use Mac OS X, there is no need to pay to use full screen. Using AppleScript Editor, create a script with the following content:

on open FileName
tell application "QuickTime Player"
activate
open FileName
present movie 1
end tell
end open

Save it as an applet and drop movie files to see it in full screen.

Re:tries to get people into iTunes 4.5

[greg_barton]

It is pretty stupid, but in a twisted way makes sense from a marketing standpoint.

Words to live by...

403

[lofoforabr]

Getting a 403 forbidden using that torrent.
You sure everything is ok?

Re:403

[AIX-Hood]

I had some ip ranges banned because of idiots submitting warez, so you're obviously on one of those ranges. I just cleared it all out though, so it should be fine now.

Re:403

[Anonymous Coward]

Avast, me hearties! There be open water ahead! Yeaargh!

The Incredibles Soundtrack vs Die Another Day

[Hackie_Chan]

When the Incredibles teaser came out, I got eerie over the music in it. Why? Because I felt like they ripped off the music from somewhere else... Guess what? It's from the James Bond Tomorrow Never Dies Soundtrack. The "cool" song that play in this trailer is Backseat Driver (David Arnold featuring the Propellerheads) from Tomorrow Never Dies. I have no idea why they're recycling soundtracks. Maybe that's a starting trend...

Re:The Incredibles Soundtrack vs Die Another Day

[AceCaseOR]

Um... that piece of music you're thinking of, from the beginning of the trailer, that's "On Her Majesty's Secret Service", from the movie of the same name. Still Bond, but different Bond film.

Re:The Incredibles Soundtrack vs Die Another Day

[Hackie_Chan]

Even crazier? You know what I just realized? They've changed the theme song in the Teaser as well! It used to be different with the last tone in the melody, but now they've changed it to the Bond-theme. Wow...

Re:The Incredibles Soundtrack vs Die Another Day

[Anonymous Coward]

It's standard practice to recycle soundtracks or songs over trailers as the proper score is never recorded until after the final edit of the film has been locked - so the composer/conductor can time the cues properly. At the trailer stage the film will still be in post-production.

For example, one of the trailers to LOTR:The Two Towers used an arrangement of Clint Mansell's Requiem for a Dream theme.

Re:The Incredibles Soundtrack vs Die Another Day

[goober]

I have no idea why they're recycling soundtracks. Maybe that's a starting trend...

This is a very common practice. Music soundtracks are one of the last things done in movie post-production. (You need a near-final cut of the film before you can score it.) Trailers, which come out months in advance, will use other appropriate music as place holders until then.

Re:The Incredibles Soundtrack vs Die Another Day

[cjpez]

... and practically every third trailer ever made uses either Carmina Burana or the Stargate theme. :)

Re:The Incredibles Soundtrack vs Die Another Day

[HeghmoH]

It's not starting a trend, just continuing it. Trailers have always reused music from other movies. Why? It's very simple. Trailers are released before the movie is finished, and way before the score for the movie has been recorded. Nobody is going to pay a ton of money to record a soundtrack for a three-minute trailer when they almost certainly won't be able to reuse the music in the movie. So they use music from other movies. With permission, of course.

Re:The Incredibles Soundtrack vs Die Another Day

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually that track is Propellerheads' (surprise!) In Her Majesty's Secret Service.

Re:The Incredibles Soundtrack vs Die Another Day

[balster neb]

On a related note, i first heard of the Incredibles when i heard that Michael Giacchino was to compose the score for it. Michael Giacchino is best know for for his scores for the Medal of Honor series of games, which have been critical succeses.

Interesting, since a composer who first saw success writing scores for video games is now composing a score for a mainstream film.

More information here and here.

Re:The Incredibles Soundtrack vs Die Another Day

[Rakarra]

NFL films likes to reuse movie music as well. I remember watching a drive on NFL films and listening to the music and thinking "Wait a minute.. that's the music from Dragonheart!" Dragonheart and NFL football don't seem to go together naturally..

Re:The Incredibles Soundtrack vs Die Another Day

[Laplace]

Starting trend? The entire soundtrack of The Truman Show was the soundtrack to Powaqquatsi. I don't know where the soundtrack from Henry V (Branagh version) came from, but I've heard it in about 5 different movies. This is a standard industry thing.

Re:The Incredibles Soundtrack vs Die Another Day

[CrashPoint]

You must be new here ("here" being the box office). It's like Congress passed a law in 1999 requiring Lunatic Calm's Leave You Far Behind to appear on the soundtrack of every action movie released for the next ten years.

Pixar is no different than anyone else

[gosand]

No adult content? Go watch Pixar's movies again. They CLEARLY have written in content for adults in all of their movies. Pixar is obviosly gearing movies for mainstream, that involves children and adults. Why limit a movie to one crowd(adults or children)? The super success of Finding Nemo was BECAUSE it was aimed at children and adults.

I think you hit the nail on the head - but not how you intended. I love Pixar's movies, but they are clearly written for kids. Like you said, they WRITE IN CONTENT FOR ADULTS. I agree with the parent poster, that I would like to see a movie from Pixar where the adult content wasn't an afterthought. Think "Spirited Away". It is appropriate for adults and kids, but doesn't feel like a kids movie with a few jokes thrown in for the parents. Finding Nemo was good, but it was still a kids movie.

Sure, they are a kickass animation studio, but let's not forget that they make movies to MAKE MONEY. Where is the money? Product tie-ins. Granted, if the movie tanks their products sit on the shelves, so they do have to make a decent movie first. This has been the MO for kids moviemakers for quite a while now. It has been very obvious for a long time and is starting to become pathetic (Cat in the Hat anyone?). But parents lap it up. There is already Shrek 2 merchandise on the market.

Hey, that is the movie business, not much room for integrity.

Re:Pixar is no different than anyone else

[Robotech_Master]

Uhm...Miyazaki-san himself has said that he wrote Spirited Away for 12-year-old girls. You're confusing the cultural disconnect with audience. Granted, Japanese animated films in general tend to have a higher degree of maturity than American ones do...but that doesn't mean they're for an older audience.

And even if that weren't the case, Miyazaki has made quite a few movies "written for kids" himself. For instance, look at My Neighbor Totoro or Panda, Go Panda. Enjoyable by adults (just as Pixar's films are), but clearly aimed right squarely at the little kid market.

Re:Pixar is no different than anyone else

[meringuoid]

Think "Spirited Away". It is appropriate for adults and kids, but doesn't feel like a kids movie with a few jokes thrown in for the parents.

Pixar are a Western firm, and have to live with the Western idea that all animation is for children. Ghibli are Japanese, and things work differently there.

But Pixar's kids' films bring parents into the cinema too. And they see that the films are in fact good, despite being 'for children'. And then the next time a Pixar film comes out those parents use the children as an excuse to go and see it. Pretty good business for Pixar, eh?

I remember seeing the start of A Bug's Life, watching this film for a while and then sitting up with a jolt because I realised that I was in fact watching Seven Samurai. Blimey.

Spirited Away you mention as an example, but I think it's more of a child's film than, say, Mononoke or Nausicaa. It reminds me of the books Through the Looking-glass or The Lion, The Witch and the Wardrobe - certainly intended for children, but not limiting itself to what is normally supposed to be 'childish'.

Re:Pixar is no different than anyone else

[gosand]

Uhm...Miyazaki-san himself has said that he wrote Spirited Away for 12-year-old girls. You're confusing the cultural disconnect with audience. Granted, Japanese animated films in general tend to have a higher degree of maturity than American ones do...but that doesn't mean they're for an older audience.

Hmm. Didn't know that. Interesting though, how a movie written for a 12-year old girl in another country can seem so mature, while movies written for 12-year-olds in the US seem vapid and utterly childish. I plead ignorance on the cultural disconnect, but I am giving Miyazaki no more credit than he deserves. Spirited Away was a great movie, whereas Finding Nemo is a great kid's movie. For some reason, I find the need to qualify it.

Re:Pixar is no different than anyone else

[aardvarkjoe]

Interesting though, how a movie written for a 12-year old girl in another country can seem so mature, while movies written for 12-year-olds in the US seem vapid and utterly childish.

It's not the audience; it's the director. Try picking a few fansubbed anime at random and watching a few episodes. You'll find that what they pump out in Japan is every bit as worthless as American children's shows/movies. Spirited Away was a great movie because a brilliant man created it, not because it was released in Japan.

Re:Pixar is no different than anyone else

[RatBastard]

But Pixar's kids' films bring parents into the cinema too.

And that does not diminish their quality in any way. I'm an adult with no children and I go to every Pixar film as soon as it comes out. They are among the best written movies being made today in America.

Re:Pixar is no different than anyone else

[blair1q]

>the adult content wasn't an afterthought

Lasseter and Stanton do almost nothing as an afterthought. You're trying to gild a lily, there.

You want raunchy toons, watch SKG's attempts. Antz was the uptown version of A Bug's Life. And suffered thereby.

>Product tie-ins.

The result of the collaborative method in a world where your collaborators are greedy sleaze. Pixar remains independent of Disney and avoids its cadres of climbers and grubbers. But some day it, too will be bought by someone with more money than heart, and will be coopted to the dark side of the movie industry.

But there's a new hope: you can WRITE YOUR OWN MOVIES AND SEND THEM TO HOLLYWOOD. If they're any good, you'll be the next Lasseter and Stanton, and if not, then you'll lose the power to fly and go back to being a mortal guy in tights and a cape.

Re:Pixar is no different than anyone else

[Anonymous Coward]

When (if) you ever become a parent, you might feel differently about Finding Nemo being a kid's movie. As a new dad, I'm nearly moved to tears each time I see it.

Re:Pixar is no different than anyone else

[DohDamit]

Oh Jesus Christ. Do you always go down these bigoted lines of discussion? I think you find the need to qualify it because you personally can't connect with Nemo, so you denigrate it. Maybe there's something in Spirited Away you connect with. Cigar's just a cigar and all that.

I've seen Nemo a few times(kids) and it deals with the following issues very well:

• Children with physical disabilities
• People with mental disabilities
• People with physical ailments(scars & deformations)
• Loss of a loved one

Maybe you just don't connect with these issues in a personal way. I happen to connect on all four points, so for me, Nemo is the superior film. It has nothing to do with the country of origin.

Oooh! OOOH!

[Hot Soup LD]

Quick! Log on to City of Heroes and reserve their names! I already got xxMr.Inviinciibaalxx! OMFG!

Re:Oooh! OOOH!

[Anonymous Coward]

Hahaha Soup, at least you won't be playing as a Mad Cow.

- Asmandeus -

What is this "iTunes 4.5 required" crap?

[crashnbur]

I've been downloading/viewing trailers online for years now, and aside from the prerequisite Quicktime format, I have not had to download anything. Why now must I download iTunes to view the "Incredisize" trailer?

Re:What is this "iTunes 4.5 required" crap?

[Anonymous Coward]

I've been listening to music for years now, and aside from the prerequisite 8-track player, I have not had to get anything else. Why now must I get a "MP3 Player" to listen to a MP3 song?

Re:What is this "iTunes 4.5 required" crap?

[Bricklets]

I've been downloading/viewing trailers online for years now, and aside from the prerequisite Quicktime format, I have not had to download anything. Why now must I download iTunes to view the "Incredisize" trailer?

Apparently you haven't seen enough trailers then. They use to require Quickime Pro to view fullscreen trailers. So now, instead of having to upgrade for $29.99, you just install a free jukebox. Sounds good to me.

Re:What is this "iTunes 4.5 required" crap?

[Anonymous Coward]

Sounds like crap to me. I already have MPEG-4 codecs and can decode a variety of audio codecs yet I still need more Apple software(which is vastly inferior to many open-source and proprietary players) just so I can read the file container.

Re:What is this "iTunes 4.5 required" crap?

[Anonymous Coward]

"vastly inferior"

well, just watch the normal sized trailer and quit f**kin' b**chin' like an old woman...you're wasting perfectly good bandwidth, young man.

(...was that my outside voice again?)

Re:What is this "iTunes 4.5 required" crap?

[Anonymous Coward]

"you just install a free jukebox. Sounds good to me."

ITuines does not:

* run outside US
* under linux

Sounds bad to me. I just want to *download* the *fricken* trailer and view it on my system without internet connection. I collect trailers! I run them many times. I don't want to download them everytime I view them!

Grrrr!

pixar != disney

[mrjackson2000]

did anyone notice that the trailer is still under the disney dir on apples site even though pixar is nolonger a part of disney?

Re:pixar != disney

[k_187]

This is the last movie that disney will distribute. Back in the day, pre-Toy Story, PIxar and disney got into a 5 movie deal, Toy Story, Bugs life Toy Story 2, Monsters Inc, Finding Nemo, The INcredibles. Ok it must have been a 6 movie deal, but after this (actually come to think of it, there might be one after this, but as above I'm really not sure) Disney won't be distributing Pixar's stuff. So they're not free yet, but soon.

Re:pixar != disney

[GSV Ethics Gradient]

Pixar was never "part" of Disney - they simply had a distribution deal with them. Thre are still two films left under that deal (The Incredibles and next years Cars). Disney may yet capitulate to Pixar's demands and distribute their future work - Pixar haven't signed with anyone else and the Disney may decide a smaller part of the big pie ism still worth it.

Re:pixar != disney

[DarkMagician07]

Actually, they get 1 or 2 more. I know that the next one is called 'Cars' or something like that. Haven't heard what the story line is, though.

Re:pixar != disney

[Anonymous Coward]

Pixar was never a part of Disney -- Disney just had an agreement to distribute the pictures and take half the profits.

From their recent annual report:

Relationship with Disney

A critical component of our objective to maintain our position as a leading brand in the animated feature film market is to secure strong promotion, marketing and distribution of our films and related products. We believe that Disney is among the leaders in the marketing and distribution of animated feature films and related products and is one of the industry's most widely recognized brand names. We have enjoyed a long relationship with Disney that dates back to 1986, when we entered into a joint technical development effort with Disney that resulted in the Computer Assisted Production System ("CAPS"), a production system owned and used by Disney in some of its two-dimensional cel-based animated feature films. Disney first used CAPS for The Rescuers Down Under and has continued to use it for its subsequent animated feature films, such as The Lion King and Tarzan. In 1992, certain employees of Pixar and Disney were jointly awarded an Academy Award® for Scientific and Engineering Achievement for the development of CAPS.

In May 1991, we entered into the Feature Film Agreement with Walt Disney Pictures, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Disney, which provided for the development, production and distribution of up to three feature-length motion pictures (the "Feature Film Agreement"). It was pursuant to the Feature Film Agreement that Toy Story was developed, produced and distributed. In 1997, we extended our existing relationship with Disney by entering into the Co-Production Agreement. This agreement generally provides that we will be responsible for the development, pre-production and production of each Picture, while Disney will be responsible for the marketing, promotion, publicity, advertising and distribution of each Picture. The profits from the Pictures are shared equally between Pixar and Disney after Disney recovers a distribution fee and pre-agreed distribution costs. The term of this arrangement continues until the delivery of Cars to Disney, which we expect to occur in mid-2005.

Re:pixar != disney

[gerardrj]

The original deal between Disney and Pixar was for three original stories/films. The contract was later extended to 5 stories/films. According to the terms of that deal Toy Story 2 did not count since it was a sequel, but Pixar seemed to feel it was worth the time (probably since the models/characters were already built).
The initial 5 films are: Toy Story, Bugs Life, Monsters, Nemo and the upcoming The Incredibles.

TS2 was released/distributed under the financial terms of the deal, but not under the quota portion.

In the beginning there was an "up to" 3 film deal, in the end Pixar will have created 6 films under the terms, but only 5 by contractual obligation. It's a mess.

There's another whole mess with joint ownership of the existing films and creating sequels from them that 's best left to lawyers.

Trailer Music

[crashnbur]

There are at least two audio tracks in the new Incredibles trailer. The first is from the Propellerheads' version of the "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" theme -- awesome track, over nine minutes long.

Anyone know the second?

Direct Download

[kajoob]

Here is a direct link to the large trailer. Just right click, save as.

I don't have itunes so I couldn't get the fullscreen version, someone wanna post that (if it's even possible - fairplay maybe)?

Do your research, oh wise stock trader...

[piecewise]

Never let politics interfere with business, what a shmuck.

You probably don't like hearing this - what with your massive ROI and money-making in the stock market - but you might be the shmuck.

If you did your research you would know that Disney is blocking the release of Moore's film because of business. Jeb Bush threatened Disney's tax breaks for Disney World in Florida if a film is released that would put his brother in a poor light (in this case, linking President Bush to the Saudi royal family). Disney's tax breaks are worth a lot more than some director's latest shocker-documentary.

And also - for the record - although I am no fan of Michael Eisner, he did not simply "cut them loose." Steve Jobs usurpred Eisner and leveraged their agreement in a way that made it very difficult for Disney to say no. And what do you care? The dumber Michael Eisner is, the more money Pixar will make, and the more your incredible, risk-taker decisions in the lucrative markets will pay off.

Re:Do your research, oh wise stock trader...

[Anonymous Coward]

Roy Disney and ally Stanley Gold, who both resigned from the Disney board late last year and called for Eisner to step down, placed the blame squarely on the Disney CEO.

"More than a year ago, we warned the Disney board that we believed Michael Eisner was mismanaging the Pixar partnership and expressed our concern that the relationship was in jeopardy," they said in a statement issued late Thursday.

Re:Do your research, oh wise stock trader...

[SpryGuy]

If Jeb Bush did that, it would be a gross abuse of power. Besides, Jeb needs Disney. I'm certain any such threat -- besides being completely immoral and reprehensible in an allegedly free country -- was most certainly empty.

Re:Do your research, oh wise stock trader...

[16K Ram Pack]

I'm no supporter of Jeb Bush, but do you have anything to back this up?

As for Michael Moore, his manager was warned by someone at Disney NOT to sign with Miramax because they wouldn't distribute it, and now he's all "I'm shocked! Disney won't distribute my film".

Re:Do your research, oh wise stock trader...

[GPLDAN]

As for Michael Moore, his manager was warned by someone at Disney NOT to sign with Miramax because they wouldn't distribute it, and now he's all "I'm shocked! Disney won't distribute my film".

Well, in that case he made the correct move. Harvey Weinstein bought back the rights to the film from Disney, and will find a new distributor. Moore has a white knight.

Re:Do your research, oh wise stock trader...

[the gnat]

If Jeb Bush did that, it would be a gross abuse of power.

He didn't. The suggestion was that perhaps Disney was worried about losing their tax breaks, but there was never any evidence that Jeb had said something along these lines. At any rate, I'm not sure I blame Disney for wanting to keep as far away from Michael Moore as possible. If we want to embarass and ridicult the Bush family (a worth cause, to be sure), we can do better than that ass-clown.

Re:Do your research, oh wise stock trader...

[piecewise]

What strikes me is how specific Disney's concern is. Losing tax breaks in the state of the President's brother? To me, the fact that Disney - in a press release - cited such a specific fear says that the concern is legitimate and exists, and the only way for that to be true is if a treat was actually made. It's not like the most powerful people in Florida don't know one another.

Maybe I'm dreaming this up - but to me it makes sense - and because the Bush family, it would not surprise me a bit.

disney banner?

[Anonymous Coward]

umm why is there a disney banner at the top? i thought they actually did break away from them, or were there still a few movies under their contract.. there were alot of conflicting reports about..

Re:disney banner?

[JohnCub]

Pixar still has to complete their contract with Disney. If I recall correctly that is 2 movies. I could be mistaken.

Even better, the incredisize version

[G�tz]

You can directly get the huge version.

Re:Even better, the incredisize version

[thedillybar]

That's the teaser, not the trailer.

Re:Even better, the incredisize version

[G�tz]

Oops, that was the old one, the new one is here.

Re:Even better, the incredisize version

[AIX-Hood]

Unfortunately that's the older teaser trailer, not the new longer one.

"Incredibles" release date: November 5, 2004

[Ride-My-Rocket]

The Incredibles

Release Date: November 5, 2004
Studio: Walt Disney Pictures
Director: Brad Bird
Starring: Craig T. Nelson, Holly Hunter, Samuel L. Jackson, Jason Lee, John Ratzenberger, Wallace Shawn, Sarah Vowell, Brad Bird
Genre: Action, Animation, Adventure, Comedy
MPAA Rating: Not available
Official Website: TheIncredibles.com

Plot Summary: From the Academy Award-winning creators of "Toy Story", "Monsters, Inc." and "Finding Nemo", comes this hilarious action-packed animated adventure about superheroes. Bob Parr used to be one of the world's greatest superheroes (known to all as "Mr. Incredible"), saving lives and fighting evil on a daily basis. But now fifteen years later, Bob and his wife (a famous superhero in her own right) have adopted civilian identities and retreated to the suburbs to live normal lives with their three kids. Now he's a clock-punching insurance claims adjuster fighting boredom and a bulging waistline. Itching to get back into action, Bob gets his chance when a mysterious communication summons him to a remote island for a top-secret assignment. Pixar Animation Studios stretches the boundaries of the art form with this stylish and entertaining film. Acclaimed filmmaker Brad Bird ("The Iron Giant") directs.

Syndrome = Heat Miser?

[Titanium Orc]

Interesting how the super villian Syndrome bears a startling resemblance to Heat Miser from the old christmas claymation show "The Year Without Santa Claus".

I'm Mister Green Christmas
I'm Mister Sun
I'm Mister Heat Blister
I'm Mister Hundred and One
They call me Heat Miser,
What ever I touch
Starts to melt in my clutch
I'm too much!

Ahh finally...

[Ingolfke]

Advertisements posing as Slashdot articles. What's next "Proctor and Gamble release new soap with digital readout in hopes to targetting the unwashed masses."

Re:Ahh finally...

[sharkey]

Most likely, there'll be an ad for Pixar's new movie, "The Incredibles", posted by CmdrTaco sometime in the next 4 hours.

Isn't this old?

[gkelman]

There was a trailer for The Incredibles in the cinema when Finding Nemo came out. It's also on the DVD.

And it's still 174 days until it comes out according to the website. Hurry up! I lost interest when the film didn't come out within a week of seeing the trailer. Stop tempting with things that are years away, damn you!

Re:Isn't this old?

[Anonymous Coward]

So what is the temperature on Mercury today?

174 days != years except on Mercury where year = 88 days.

Re:Isn't this old?

[FosterKanig]

That was the teaser, not the trailer.

This trailer has more more than just the one hero.

MOD PARENT UP!

[temporalillusion]

Where are mod points when I need them! :)

Soundtrack: Propellerheads

[tbmaddux]

I was pleasantly surprised to hear "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" from decksanddrumsandrockandroll, playing in the background of the trailer. This album also has "Take California," used in an iPod commercial, "History Repeating," used in "Something About Mary," and "Spybreak," used of course in the lobby shooting spree of "The Matrix."

Re:Soundtrack: Propellerheads

[ruprechtjones]

Keep in mind that almost all trailer soundtracks are borrowed or bought from other sources, hence what you hear now will most definately not appear in the film. This is how it works; while the film is being finalized, the promo department cranking out the trailers is licensing music from an existing library whilst the main composer is still writing the soundtrack. Some of my favorite trailers use Skinny Puppy and Front Line Assembly, yet this has nothing to do with what the motion picture composer puts into the final film.

Re:Soundtrack: Propellerheads

[tbmaddux]

Keep in mind that almost all trailer soundtracks are borrowed or bought from other sources, hence what you hear now will most definately not appear in the film.

Very true. The best example is probably "Bishop's Countdown" from "Aliens," which achieved near-ubiquity in trailers for 90's sci-fi and action films. Not so often nowadays. Also there was the use of the Kronos Quartet's work from "Requiem for a Dream" in the trailer for ROTK.

Trailers _always_ crib music

[LairBob]

That's just standard industry practice (q. 4). By the time an early trailer like this one needs to be ready, the soundtrack's still probably being _composed_. Even "coming next week" trailers often use music that has nothing to do with the actual film. (How many times have you heard the "Carmina Burana" during a trailer?)

Re:Trailers _always_ crib music

[Anonymous Coward]

I wondered why and assumed that it was to make an association between a new movie and an old one. Like playing music from Rudy during the Seabiscuit trailer was subtle way of saying if you liked Rudy, you'll like Seabiscuit. Other populer scores used in this why include Glory and Crimson Tide.

United Future Organization

[HalfFlat]

While the end of the trailer used United Future Organizaton's "The Planet Plan", from their truly great album "3rd Perspective".

UFO do good stuff. Highly recommend the album.

Re:United Future Organization

[mihalis]

UFO do good stuff. Highly recommend the album.

Yeah, rock on!

"Doctor, Doctor, pleeeeasse, oh the mess I'm in" etc

Cliff Claven

[Bonewalker]

Any studio who uses Cliff in every single one of their movies, and produces multi-billion dollar hits out of those movies, must sure as hell know what they are doing.

Can you spot Cliff in every feature-length Pixar movie?

Well you see, Norm, it's like this...A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members. In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Now, as we know, excessive intake of alcohol kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. And that, Norm, is why you always feel smarter after a few beers.

Re:Cliff Claven

[RatBastard]

• A Bug's Life - P.T. Flea
• Toy Story / Toy Story 2 - Hamm
• Finding Nemo - School of silvery fish
• Monster's Inc. - Yeti (Want a snow cone?)

That's all I can remember.

Re:Cliff Claven

[mblase]

If you watched the DVD for "Spirited Away", you'll note that John Ratzenberger had a part in that one as well and Lasseter regards him as Pixar's unofficial good-luck charm. I say, why not -- it's a kind of easy treasure hunt, like spotting the "Toy Story" models they reuse in every film they make.

Re:Cliff Claven

[ReadParse]

He's also in the Toy Story video games and the 2005 Pixar feature, Cars, which is about a group of classic cars who take a trip on Route 66. That one sounds interesting.

Oh, and he's also in The Incredibles, which I guess was implied in the parent post.

RP

Yeah!

[SuperKendall]

Um, its more than that. Animated movies are different from live action movies in that nothing is real to begin with, so doing rediculous things is much more easily accepted. If toy story had been live action, and the toy soldiers were live action actors, for example, it would have been dumb. Same with the rest of their movies, none of them would have "worked".

See, I had this idea for a guy who gains powers like a spider and goes crawling on walls and swinging all over a city! No way that kind of thing would work live action. That's why I'm going animation.

My other ideas like a secret government group who controls the alien population of the planet and a guy who lives in a computer world are still works in progress.

Re:Yeah!

[Jonas the Bold]

Spider-Man, The Matrix, and MIB, right?

I don't see your point. I didn't say it was impossible to make live action movies about implausable things, just that in animation you can make things even less plausable with much greater ease. And besides, none of those ideas are as over-the-top as any of the pixar movies. All of those movies are about people who occasionally do rediculous or spectacular things, but none of them are nearly as rediculous as any pixar movie.

First off, this is the first Pixar movie that's actually about people. This is also the first one that could concievably work as a live action movie, but Pixar has done a great job of making their characters cartoony enough so as to make it clear that they are characters and not people.

And just for fun, lets see how past movies would work:

• Toy Story: People in costumes? Wouldn't be workable as live action, unless marketed to four year olds. P
• Bugs life: People in bug costumes again? Same as Toy Story, it'd suck.
• Toy Story 2: See Toy Story
• Monsters Inc: More people in silly costumes, would be stupid.
• Finding Nemo: I don't even want to know how this would work.

Animation makes these movies possible.

I thought the same thing

[SuperKendall]

I wasn't very interested in the movie from the teaser, but the new trailer looks like a movie I would love to see...

I hope it's more like the trailer!

Actually he's not frozen.

[stfvon007]

Walt Disney is not frozen. THough it does sound like something he would do, and he probably would have if cryrogenic freezing existed at the time, But unfortunatly he died several years before the first person was put into crygrogenic storage.

Re:Actually he's not frozen.

[Anonymous Coward]

I think you meant "fortunately". He was an old fascist bastard, and Disney Inc. has continued his legacy well.

But they ARE designed/written for adults

[snStarter]

One of the great things about the Pixar films is their extraordinary reach. They talk to BOTH children and adults - different depth - something for the kids all the time but in the background are stories that resonate with adulthood.

Pixar understands how to write, how to make wonderful artistic settings, and how to blend those two together.

I wonder if the folks who find Pixar films the most unsettling might be adolescents who are disturbed by the simultaneous response of both child and adult within themselves.

I don't miss Pixar films. They have always been worthwhile. And their shorts are pretty darn wonderful also! And they certainly rate as "serious film" even though they have a G rating.

Seen proto-Incredibles; loved it (NO SPOILERS)

[georgewilliamherbert]

Some months ago, my wife and I were randomly lucky enough to catch a free invite to a test screening of The Incredibles.

Disclaimer:
A lot of the CGI work was half done (and parts of the movie were storyboards), so I haven't seen the whole finished thing. So I am not sure how those parts finished up.

All of that said...

The pacing even of the half done version was excellent. The plot held together, the characters were thought out and had depth, they developed throughout the film. Pixar knows how to make movies; it's quite something to be watching a scene that's half storyboards still and still feel it's gripping.

This movie is aimed at both adults and kids. There are child characters, who help save the day, but the adults character development is the main theme of the film in my opinion.

I liked. I expect the finished product is going to entirely live up to the promise of the half done version I saw.

As opposed to Earth, Wind, and Fire

[brodin]

"Do you remember, 21st night of September..."

Had to be said.

Impossibles

[Arpie]

The Incredibles, Schminpedibles.

That movie looks like it will suck. Now, if they did a movie about The Impossibles...

Am I feeling old?

Re:Impossibles

[Anonymous Coward]

The Incredibles, Schminpedibles. That movie looks like it will suck. Now, if they did a movie about The Impossibles... Am I feeling old?

I don't know if you feel old but you write like a 12 year old.

From memory...

[DG]

From the dusty reaches of my own damn memory, NOT Google:

"I'm Mist White Christmas
I'm Mister Snow
I'm Mister ice crystal
I'm Mister 40 below
They call me Cold Miser
Whatever I touch
Turns to ice in my clutch
I'm too much!"

What else has TV burned into my brain?

DG

Re:Looks like a comic ripoff - Edna not original!

[Graemee]

Edith Head - Costume Designer

http://www.costumedesignersguild.com/hoffhead.ht m

She even looks like her. Great homage to her career, IMHO.

Bah -- it's 15 Brumaire!

[Jonathan]

Forget this nonsense about "November" -- why do Europeans not realize that the greatest achievement of their culture is not the overrated metric system, but the glorious revolutionary calendar? Now go outside and enjoy the beautiful Floreal day!

Ummm, yeah, like all the classics...

[Anonymous Coward]

Just like, oh say, Casablanca?
You know, where the Director had to tell Ingrid Bergman to play it cool, because they didn't know who Ilsa would end up with?

Because the script wasn't FINISHED yet!
In fact according to the listed source, dialogue for the story was being written as the movie was filmed, on a day by day basis.
And yet she gave one what is arguably one the best performances of all time.

http://www.filmsite.org/casa.html

There's one source. This information is commonly available, and quite widely known. I say those movies were better because the society just produced better actors.

Re:i-tunes requirement

[Anonymous Coward]

Do you mean it was in Apple Lossless? There is no such thing as AAC lossless. Either way it wasn't particularly evident, unless that's why I couldn't seem to stream the thing fast enough even on a good DSL line.

Is this "Mystifying Moderation Friday?"

[AtariAmarok]

I post a message appreciating the actor Craig T. Nelson, and someone mods me an enduring "funny": a mod I would have expected if making a post appreciating the acting of Pauly Shore. I must be the only Craig T. Nelson fan out there! "you say you like Nelson's acting? You must be joking!"

Uh...are you serious?

[bonch]

Finding Nemo was the most adult movie Pixar has made. The mother dies in a scary scene, and all the babies are eaten but one. I remember people gossiping about it online, wondering why they would have such a scary scene in a "kid's movie."

The whole film is about parenthood. You seriously didn't get that? To a kid, it's a fun flick about colorful fish, but to an adult, it touches on adult emotions as well. I thought Finding Nemo was the most strangely tragic of all their films--the guy loses his wife, all his other kids, and has to raise one all by himsef, and he's freaked out about anything happening to him.

Toy Story 2 touched on growing older and losing childhood. I mean, come on. Pixar's movies aren't really "geared" toward anybody. They just are what they are. An adult film doesn't mean it has guns, blood, or serious drama. It can just as well be a comedy with a bunch of CG animated fish and still be adult-enjoyable as ever. People who think otherwise are just embarrassed that they watch movies with CG animated fish and want to be cool.

You are a trendy counterculturalist

[bonch]

The same reason Brits write "colour" even though it's not pronounced "col-hour." It's how your culture writes it.

Any person who calls the cultural differences of another society stupid is ignorant. Stop being a trendy counterculturalist.

In the military

[MorePower]

The one place that I know of that Americans use "backward" dates (such as 5 November 2004) is in the military. All the official documents write out dates like that. After people have been in the military for a while, they start verbally saying "5 November" just like they start saying "1400" instead of "2:00pm"

What about "A Bug's Life"?

[mblase]

The trailer begins: "From the makers of 'Toy Story', 'Monsters, Inc.', and 'Finding Nemo'". It's like everybody forgot that "A Bug's Life" was released in there somewhere and made Pixar a ton of money as well. Yeah, I know it wasn't the success it could have been because "Antz" was released a month before, but still... surely Pixar believes they deserve some credit for it?

I dunno, maybe the fact that it's the only Pixar movie where the villain dies at the end is working against them, or something. I still think it's as good as any of Pixar's other outings, even if they don't.

Re:What about "A Bug's Life"?

[Anonymous Coward]

Toy Story II not listed there either. The reason is straightforward methinks. Toy Story was the first and most famous film. Finding Nemo and Monsters are the most recent ones. It's all about audience recognition.

As if they couldn't just say "From PIXAR"....

It's only trendy if...

[BitwizeGHC]

It's only trendy to do this if you're a European making fun of an American. If you're an American making fun of the way Europeans write dates, then that just confirms what everybody knew all along: that Americans are bigoted, culturally ignorant buffoons.

Where's the envelope?

[mblase]

Pixar's grabbed my attention for the past several years partly because they're constantly pushing the envelope in computer animation -- "Toy Story" was the first of its kind, "Bug's Life" had spectacular nature scenes, "Toy Story 2" was even better at animating humans than the first film, "Monsters, Inc." had hair, and "Finding Nemo" had water and even more realistic animals than before.

So, aside from being Pixar's first all-human(oid) cast of characters, where does "Incredibles" go that no movie has gone before? I'm surprised Slashdot hasn't been buzzing about whatever it is, which really makes me wonder if it's anything at all.

Re:Where's the envelope?

[SamSim]

Pixar isn't primarily a rendering company, it's a movie studio. They don't set out to "go where no movie has gone before" in terms of graphics - their technology, while still improving, is probably nearly peaked at this point. They set out to entertain and moreover they succeed - even based on the merits of script and storyline alone, their previous efforts like Finding Nemo have been amazing.

The novelty value of entirely computer-generated movies may have worn off, but that's not why most of us are watching.

Re:Where's the envelope?

[mblase]

Pixar isn't primarily a rendering company, it's a movie studio.

Incorrect. Half the reason Pixar exists is to sell Renderman software, and half the reason they make movies is to showcase its cutting-edge technology.

Re:Where's the envelope?

[Anonymous Coward]

This has NEVER been the case. Ever since Pixar was picked up by Steve Jobs it has been intended to be a movie studio. Renderman got them through the hard times moneywise, but it was always considered to be an enabling technology for their primary goal.

Name recognition.

[solios]

Toy Story, Monsters Inc, and Finding Nemo were BIG BIG BIG movies that pulled in a lot of cash and were extremely popular.

Bugs Life and Antz happened right around the same time, causing some degree of o_O for moviegoers. There's nothing like TS, MI, or FN within the same release proximity.

Ergo, it makes sense to leave it off the blurp.

The really incredible part: Brad Bird

[Xuul]

The reason I believe this will the greatest Pixar movie yet, and probably one of the best films of the year, is because it is written and directed by Brad Bird.

The last movie in which Brad Bird was involved, The Iron Giant, is my favorite animated movie of all time, and in the ohhh, top 5 of my "all time favorite movies". It is, quite simply, the closest thing to a perfect movie I have ever seen.

Seriously, people, you NEED to see The Iron Giant. Go rent it and join me in being incredibly, incredibly excited for the Incredibles.

OT: Moore

[Llywelyn]

Considering the governor of the state that Disney World is in, combined with Moore's previous display that he has a... rather tenuous grasp on the facts at best, I can understand why Disney doesn't want to be the ones distributing it.

Moore is also incorrect when he said that "Disney doesn't want people to see this movie." Disney doesn't give a damn whether people see the movie, they just don't want to be the ones who distribute it and, considering the political factors involved, I can't really blame them for wanting to keep up good relations.

Re:OT: Moore

[rjung2k]

Moore's closer to the truth and Disney is -- if Disney is so gun-shy about politics, how come they don't blanche at having ABC (a Disney subsidiary) carry Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly all day long?

Re:OT: Moore

[Llywelyn]

You have stunningly bad political comprehension.

What political party are Limbaugh and O'Reilly?

Have they said anything negative about the President?

What political part is the governor of Florida?

Who is the governor of Florida related to?

Americans

[Anonymous Coward]

"I can never understand why the americans insist on writing mm-dd-yy, it's like writing mm:hh:ss which would just be stupid..."

In latin america we all use DD-MM-YY (or DD/MM/YY). Are we americans ? Are we stupid also ?

Well...

[SuperKendall]

I was being a little silly, but I think in combination with computer work you can make just about any live action thing now - like "Cat in the Hat" for example (I don't think the horrifcness of the movie was due to it being live action).

In the same way the Matrix was said to be Japanese Anime brought to live action.

I think Toy Story and Bugs Life, though challenging, could be done in a way that would not suck. They would not look as realistic probably (though that depends on the degree of computer effects added) but it could be good.

In my mind the difference btween computer effect enhanced movies and animation is that it's still live action as long as the computer effects are just really elaborate costumes, and the basis for the scene is still a filmed actor. For me Roger Rabbit is more live action than animation, for example.

URL of "fullscreen" (640x272) movie file

[Michael A. Lowry]

For those of you who choose not to use iTunes 4.5, and those who wish to save the movie to disk, here is the URL of the "fullscreen" movie file:

http://movies.apple.com/movies/disney/the_incred ib les/the_incredibles-tlr_ifs.mov

P. S. The movie is 640x48 pixels in size, but the video track is only 640x272 pixels in size.

Dutch

[Animaether]

Same way..
vijf November

And short date format is typically :
mm/dd/dd
11/05/04

With long date format :
dddd d mmmm, yyyy
Vrijdag 5 November, 2004

Coral does *NOT* die.

[Anonymous Coward]

We don't see her die and we don't see the eggs eaten.

This is the loophole that will allow them to create a Finding Nemo sequel.

Re:Coral does *NOT* die.

[ShavenYak]

So, Coral scooped up all the eggs (but one) and hid with them, somehow escaping from the barracuda? And hadn't bothered coming back to find Marlin by the time Nemo was old enough to go to school? Nope, sorry, Coral was eaten, with a side of caviar.

Re:Coral does *NOT* die.

[bonch]

What did she do, beam herself away with a transporter?

Big predator comes. Heads for eggs and wife. Fish blacks out, comes to, and eggs and wife are gone in an unusually dark plotline for Pixar.

'bout time

[Zareste]

Good God! Have they come to their senses at last? FINALLY they put million-dollar computer graphics to some real use! Anymore lame-ass toys and fish and fuzzy monsters and I'd have killed someone.

OT: Sig

[ShavenYak]

This is ponderous [deviantart.com] man. Really ponderous.

I was walking on the beach with this girl who could talk with her eyes, and she said, "Do you see what I'm saying?" And then the horns kicked in, and my shoes started to squeak.

Re:This may be Pixar's first dud

[evilviper]

Shame this got modded down to zero, I wouldn't have seen it if you weren't on my friends list.

It's a good question to ask. Pixar isn't really anything special when it comes to animation now. It's decent writing that have made them the can't-miss company. Now that they're not going to be under contract with Disney anymore, what would happen if they made a flop? Maybe people would let one bad movie slide, but I'm not so sure. It could be quite bad for them... They are still a small company, and if they don't maintain their reputation, they could be driven under very quickly.

The Incredibles

[Anonymous Coward]

is it about the undefeated Arsenal team?

P.S. & O.T. Anyone else getting messages about not being able to post as AC, even when you're not trying to do that?

MUCH different type of Trailer for TI

[HarryZink]

Not sure if this counts as being leaked (seeing as how it's starting to inch its way all over the place), but this is one definitely hilarious new 'underground' trailer for Pixar's The Incredibles.

http://bvim-qt.vitalstream.com/TheIncredibles/Incr edibles_TV2472_1stNLine_1500.mov

Not quite sure where they found that guy, but he pretty much perfectly captures the average Slashdot reader (doesn't he? -- grin!)