Wonderful, thanks for the advice. The system has 512 meg of ram but other than that it's all default parts. I think I'll see about snagging a copy of 9.1, unless it's not available (as I supect) but at least I'm not afraid to foist X upon them now.
~Steve
Just out of curiosity... is that system a 350Mhz Blue&White G3? My parents have one running OS 8.6 and they want to upgrade the OS to run some newer software but I don't want to get them OS X if it's gonna be slow as hell. (They said they needed 9.1 or later...) If it does run, does it need a memory or processor upgrade?
Ok, then... when these puppies go to mars, YOU don't get to watch!!!!
So when they began working on a "decentralized redundantly connected automously routed data network" you must have thought that was gonna be boring too?;-p
Ah, Slashdot: Always hyping the inane, ignoring the ingenious, and employing the inept.
so, um, does the part of the program implementing UDP communication also responsible for routing and network interface management? If that's the case, not only are you using a really funny UDP implementation you've written half an OS around it. that's probably not the most efficient way to do things.
BEEP is NOT "TCP over TCP". Using BEEP instead of, say, sockets for implementing network application layer protocols is more like using Perl for your CGI scripts instead of C.
My point: Do you like mucking about with character arrays and pointers and making up your own regex implementations? Do you like having to worry about packet ordering algorithms when writing, for example, a client authentication protocol? Then use a standard TCP API. But if you like being able to specify your packet length with a funcion call then ship out your data without having to mung chop slice and dice all the while worrying about buffer overflows and packet framing, use BEEP.
It's pretty much a higher-level framework to create TCP-based application protocols. (higher-level than using the OS's standard socket API's)
If that sounds like "TCP over TCP" maybe you think Perl is "C on C"???
OK now that I've ranted I might add that I've never written a network application using C, nor have I designed an ALP using BEEP, so I could be full of shit. At least I read the article.
Geez, I was going to mod up some people who deserve it, but I *had* to reply to your entry.
I'm a music junkie, I admit... I spend waaaay too much money at a few local music stores and when I finally get to the counter I DO notice when their POS systems are taking forever! For example, a small local chain is using a Win2K-based system running over Terminal Services to run their POS cash register systems... it royally sucks. Now, I'm not expressly criticising Win2K, but one thing they often say when it's getting sluggish... "someone needs to reboot the server..."
Other stores run without a hitch... and I often find myself feeling that I'd rather buy stuff at those places since I don't have to wait 5+ min for the cashier to complete my purchase!
Now, I'm not saying Linux will solve their problems... but a better POS system would. What's depressing is that I've developed several rigorous POS systems, one of which is now 6.5 years old and still running in a restaurant chain with 88 locations... on OS/2!
Mario RPG just came to mind because I was playing it last night... I love RPG's, and it fits the genre wonderfully, but I've found I like my RPG's on the well, less cutsey side.
Gameplay was okay, but I thought the depth of the game was less than stellar. Just my opinion.;)
However... I was playing Luigi's Mansion on my brother's 'Cube and was totally sucked in! Geez that game's addictive!!! (yeah, and it's cutsey, I know)
This is the reason I like Nintendo better than all the other game systems out there... They had a great formula for fun video games 15 years ago, and they have stuck to what was proven fun and invented all sorts of new ways to keep it interesting! I *like* samus and mario and link... even if the game isn't all that good (think mario RPG) I still have fun playing it. It's just a way of going back:)
Actually, look a little more closely at the tech specs on apple's site... it says that os X server was specially tweaked to run headless on these. (it also mentions the db9 serial port set up for the old-skool unix geeks! Yay!)
Um, like I'm really trying not to sound like a troll, but somebody tell me who's the ISP for all those porn sites out there?? What about goatse and shit like that?
I was naive and silly.
Oh, you still are, but in new and different ways now.
Part of the reason it seems that way is that with the current state of Linux comprehensibility for the new or "average" user, you pretty much *have* to RTFM in order to get things to work the way you may want! However, I have found the accessibility of those ahem, *fine* manuals is excellent, much more so than any online windows documentation (for all user levels.) Even back in '94/95 when I was beginning to play with Linux, the available HOWTO documents were invaluable though not intuitive to locate (at least for dummies like me)
As a side note on comprehensibility, does anybody remember the original Macintosh's getting-started manual? Wasn't that a thing of beauty...
Just as a possible correction of myself... I realized your I could have interpreted your comment incorrectly. Perhaps what you meant by forcing corporations to conform to the market was to simply leave them alone and find their own solutions.
Sorry about that. I was all riled up because I was just reading the socialist party's website... I've gotta keep up on their borg-like rhetoric y'know.
The only thing we can hope for is that Congress and the courts make the right decisions and force these corporations to conform to the market
I'm not arguing with the intended result of your statement, but I fail to see what is just about having congress enact legislation in either direction. Under the Constitution of the United States, what clause grants congress or the courts any legal privelige to legislate industry for express purpose of "conformity to the market"? I think it has been ascertained by precedent that such a justification would not only be un-constitutional, but redundant... think about it; Any company that does not follow the "market" loses money and is eventually usurped by ones that do. Why force a company to do so? Microsoft writes sub-standard software but they have excellent... what? Right! Marketing. If we buy it they will follow. Conversely, if we refuse to buy it, they will adapt or die.
Ah, I still have my warp floppies floating around somewhere... Mebbie I'll try this out on an old pentium and emulate linux running vmware emulating windows 3.1 Just for the Uber-Geek Factor!
Slashdot Mirror
hmmmmmm, ICFP = I Can't Fscking Program???
Seriously, when I was just skimming the front page that's what I assumed it meant!
Yeah, I know... mod troll, flamebait, off-topic. At least slashdot karma has no real effect on one's fate! I mean, whoever would belie*KABOOM!!!*...
Wonderful, thanks for the advice. The system has 512 meg of ram but other than that it's all default parts. I think I'll see about snagging a copy of 9.1, unless it's not available (as I supect) but at least I'm not afraid to foist X upon them now.
~Steve
Just out of curiosity... is that system a 350Mhz Blue&White G3? My parents have one running OS 8.6 and they want to upgrade the OS to run some newer software but I don't want to get them OS X if it's gonna be slow as hell. (They said they needed 9.1 or later...) If it does run, does it need a memory or processor upgrade?
Geez, ten seconds and I'm already a troll.... dosen't ANYBODY watch Monty Python's flying circus?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!?!?
What's brown and sounds like a bell? (And coincidentally smells like shit?)
DNUG!!!!!!!!
Geez, slashdot has no sense of humor anymore. And yeah, I know, I gotta change my sig.
Ok, then... when these puppies go to mars, YOU don't get to watch!!!!
;-p
So when they began working on a "decentralized redundantly connected automously routed data network" you must have thought that was gonna be boring too?
Ah, Slashdot: Always hyping the inane, ignoring the ingenious, and employing the inept.
One word for you: Holodeck!
so, um, does the part of the program implementing UDP communication also responsible for routing and network interface management? If that's the case, not only are you using a really funny UDP implementation you've written half an OS around it. that's probably not the most efficient way to do things.
BEEP is NOT "TCP over TCP". Using BEEP instead of, say, sockets for implementing network application layer protocols is more like using Perl for your CGI scripts instead of C.
My point: Do you like mucking about with character arrays and pointers and making up your own regex implementations? Do you like having to worry about packet ordering algorithms when writing, for example, a client authentication protocol? Then use a standard TCP API. But if you like being able to specify your packet length with a funcion call then ship out your data without having to mung chop slice and dice all the while worrying about buffer overflows and packet framing, use BEEP.
It's pretty much a higher-level framework to create TCP-based application protocols. (higher-level than using the OS's standard socket API's)
If that sounds like "TCP over TCP" maybe you think Perl is "C on C"???
OK now that I've ranted I might add that I've never written a network application using C, nor have I designed an ALP using BEEP, so I could be full of shit. At least I read the article.
Yes but if you are this objective in everyting you'll never be a good scientist in any field.
But I don't want to be a scientist! (Dammit jim, I'm a programmer, not a scientist!)
Geez, I was going to mod up some people who deserve it, but I *had* to reply to your entry.
I'm a music junkie, I admit... I spend waaaay too much money at a few local music stores and when I finally get to the counter I DO notice when their POS systems are taking forever! For example, a small local chain is using a Win2K-based system running over Terminal Services to run their POS cash register systems... it royally sucks. Now, I'm not expressly criticising Win2K, but one thing they often say when it's getting sluggish... "someone needs to reboot the server..."
Other stores run without a hitch... and I often find myself feeling that I'd rather buy stuff at those places since I don't have to wait 5+ min for the cashier to complete my purchase!
Now, I'm not saying Linux will solve their problems... but a better POS system would. What's depressing is that I've developed several rigorous POS systems, one of which is now 6.5 years old and still running in a restaurant chain with 88 locations... on OS/2!
Hear, hear! Just thinking about this makes me want to start coding... Anybody want to pool money for a GC development kit??? ;)
Mario RPG just came to mind because I was playing it last night... I love RPG's, and it fits the genre wonderfully, but I've found I like my RPG's on the well, less cutsey side.
;)
Gameplay was okay, but I thought the depth of the game was less than stellar. Just my opinion.
However... I was playing Luigi's Mansion on my brother's 'Cube and was totally sucked in! Geez that game's addictive!!! (yeah, and it's cutsey, I know)
This is the reason I like Nintendo better than all the other game systems out there... They had a great formula for fun video games 15 years ago, and they have stuck to what was proven fun and invented all sorts of new ways to keep it interesting! I *like* samus and mario and link... even if the game isn't all that good (think mario RPG) I still have fun playing it. It's just a way of going back :)
Actually, look a little more closely at the tech specs on apple's site... it says that os X server was specially tweaked to run headless on these. (it also mentions the db9 serial port set up for the old-skool unix geeks! Yay!)
Dude, imagine a beowulf cluster of...*KRONK* [hercynium is clubbed with a shotgun and dragged away by the moderators...]
There are thousands of them. What's your point?
Exactly. I do apologize a bit; I was trying to be facetious.
Um, like I'm really trying not to sound like a troll, but somebody tell me who's the ISP for all those porn sites out there?? What about goatse and shit like that?
I was naive and silly.
Oh, you still are, but in new and different ways now.
...that /. is finally back to posting some real news for nerds!
(stuff that matters, y'know!)
I don't entirely agree with that sentiment...
Part of the reason it seems that way is that with the current state of Linux comprehensibility for the new or "average" user, you pretty much *have* to RTFM in order to get things to work the way you may want! However, I have found the accessibility of those ahem, *fine* manuals is excellent, much more so than any online windows documentation (for all user levels.) Even back in '94/95 when I was beginning to play with Linux, the available HOWTO documents were invaluable though not intuitive to locate (at least for dummies like me)
As a side note on comprehensibility, does anybody remember the original Macintosh's getting-started manual? Wasn't that a thing of beauty...
Just as a possible correction of myself... I realized your I could have interpreted your comment incorrectly. Perhaps what you meant by forcing corporations to conform to the market was to simply leave them alone and find their own solutions.
Sorry about that. I was all riled up because I was just reading the socialist party's website... I've gotta keep up on their borg-like rhetoric y'know.
I'm not arguing with the intended result of your statement, but I fail to see what is just about having congress enact legislation in either direction. Under the Constitution of the United States, what clause grants congress or the courts any legal privelige to legislate industry for express purpose of "conformity to the market"? I think it has been ascertained by precedent that such a justification would not only be un-constitutional, but redundant... think about it; Any company that does not follow the "market" loses money and is eventually usurped by ones that do. Why force a company to do so? Microsoft writes sub-standard software but they have excellent... what? Right! Marketing. If we buy it they will follow. Conversely, if we refuse to buy it, they will adapt or die.
<parody voice="redneck">Yep! That there is th' com-pleet tabul o' ell-e-munts! Figger'd out by th' fahnest minds in all Ken-tuckee!</parody>
for an April Fool's joke! heheh.
Ah, I still have my warp floppies floating around somewhere... Mebbie I'll try this out on an old pentium and emulate linux running vmware emulating windows 3.1 Just for the Uber-Geek Factor!
OK, I know it, I'm pathetic.
D'oh! Yeah, when I was about 15-16. I'm 22 now. :)