Being hard to contact in itself isn't fradulent. However, it is fraud when they are avoiding customers who have legitamate claims against them, wether they know it or not. In this case, it is fraud. Period.
Any company who is accepting money from anybody and ignores those same people when they attempt to contact them for a complaint against the service or product is fraudulent. therefore, PayPal may be fradulent. This is evidence that can be presented in court against PayPal and it would stand up as well. (Unless there is a contract that was signed stating otherwise)
Re:What about GPL?? Sources??
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Xandros 1.0
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Since you aren't entitled to the sources unless you obtain the binaries legit, then what is the problem? The GPL doesnt say anything about giving the sources out free to everyone. It says if you give out a binary to someone, that person is also entitled to the soruces free of charge. (ie, email them and they will be required to send it to you)
If someone buys the $99 dollar copy, then posts the binaries and sources on his website for free download, that would be fine, but so far, nobody has done that, so you must pay $99 dollars if you want it. GPL isn't free beer.
Go read the GPL, this question has been answered on/. a hundred times.
"Apple has been making quiet computers since before the Mac came out. That would be before Gateway, Dell and Compaq were even in existance (not to mention Pentiums)."
Before the pentium, x86 PC's didn't have fans in them. If they did, it was 1 very slow fan in the PSU. IIRC, most of the pre-Mac apple PSU's also contained fans in them. If you like, I will go through the apple parts database and find all the models that contain fans. But I'm not at work now, so it will have to be later. So your point is irrelevant. Back then, cooling and noise was a non issue, and we didn't have 300-400W going through our computers. Fans were slow, small, and didn't push much air, thus noise was not an issue.
Yes, my first hand computer knowledge starts around the intel 386, that doesn't mean I don't know anything about old PC's (Personal Computers, I don't mean x86 here). My 386 had 1 fan; it was in the PSU. So it was just as quiet as the apples.
Since you don't know how far away Apple measured their G4 Cube, these 2 dB readings cannot be compared. This article doesn't use a quiet room to measure the sound levels, so his readings are somewhat innacurate, and entirely inconsistant with Apple's measurements.
Also, the cube with the quality video card has a fan that is louder than this entire machine.
On top of that, the cube had stability problems and overheated.
"Those who forget the apple are doomed to reinvent it. Apple has been using large heatsink"
Who said Apple invented large heatsinks,airflow design, etc?
I have been using large heatsinks, low powered quiet ducted fans, and passive coolers since the pentium days. My current machine has an 80x80mm heatsink with copper base embedded in it with an 80mm silent fan and its cooling an athlon XP 2100. The rest of my system is setup such that I have minimal airflow for the required cooling. Ducted air, large heatsinks, copper bases, etc etc..
People have known about large heatsinks, passive cooling, etc way way way before Apple Computer started making PC's with passive heatsinks on it.
Also, your post is irrelevant considering that Gateway, Dell, HP, Compaq has been doing the exact same thing in (many) of their systems as well for years. (check out dell optiplex, Gateway E-series, I dont know the compaq models, but I have seen some like this).
Then consider the G4 cube. it was fanless, nice innovation. But then they put a loud as hell hard drive in it, the power switch went off intermittently due to overheating (it was heat sensitive) and they put a fan in it anyway when they put the 3D Video cards in it. (this video card fan was like a 40mm fan spinning fast as hell and it was not very quiet at all, all on top of a very very small heatsink which had plenty of room to be larger)
Next, you are going to tell me that Apple invented thermodynamics? Please. Don't try to pretend Apple invented everything. They didn't. And they are far far far FAR from the ppl who started making silent PCs. Everyone has been making silence (and mostly, reduced noise) since the begining of cooling weather it be for cars, power lines, space shuttles, oil pipes, computers, whatever.
I guess only Quarts extreme requires a GPU, I guess u can use Jag w/o quarts extreme, my bad:(
From apple's website:
"Quartz Extreme functionality is supported by the following video GPUs: NVIDIA GeForce2 MX, GeForce3, GeForce4 MX, or GeForce4 Ti or any AGP-based ATI RADEON GPU. A minimum of 16MB VRAM is required."
actually, my post just says that the possibility exists for them to be all mac zealots. In reality, all the moderators aren't mac zealots. However, given that it only takes a few moderators out of many to mark up most positive mac comments, and mark down most negative mac comments, it is certaintly possible for this to happen each day.
Since the rest of the/. crew I am assuming to be careless about macs, they will not go against the smaller portion of moderators who mod comments relating to macs.
My assumption is that there are more mac zealots than people who are willing to refute the inaccuracies of a mac zealot(likely, because it isn't worth their time), therefore, its easy for this situation to happen each day.
If that wasn't clear in the first post, I hope it is now.
(BTW, I think I might be slightly wrong about the OSX Jag requiring a T&L engine, but it does require a 3d video card (I think the rage128's work) anyone know more?
OS X "Jaguwire" requires a 3d video card with T&L engine (ie, Nvidia geforce1 or ATI radeon +) the new Jag "makes your video card THINK the desktop is 3d, even though its just 2d" (Apple Computer) to accelerate and make the GUI faster (ie, its using OpenGL calls to draw some shit). Big deal. Apple wants to basically drop support for the old machines and that is why they don't let you run their new shit from older hardware.
I don't blame them.
Too many mac users (reason I specify 'mac' users is because mac users tend to think that mac's last longer than PC's for some reason, hint: they don't last longer) think apple's were ment to last a lifetime, then get pissed off at the store when they need a new $400 motherboard after the 1 yr warranty expires (yes, $400).
The faster apple can get rid of all the old machines being used, the less bitching and bad rep they get from broken hardware, and the more money into their pockets from new sales.
Before someone tries to refute my "lasts longer" statement. Please, don't compare emachines and $400 gateways and compaqs to eMacs. They aren't competitors. the price difference is far greater than 2x.
I never said I think this is a good thing for anybody. In fact, I hate anything having to do with apple. The general concensus on slashdot, from my POV, is that most of the cluefull people really don't give a shit about apple, and just tollerate the mac zealots. Since you can't convince a mac zealot that their precious G4 and twisted idea of UNIX that is OSX isn't all that, its not worth the argument.
Though, I can see how the minority of people that like apple can make it look like slashdot likes apple. But this is a problem with the moderation system. If you notice, any post negative to apple == negative karma, every post positive to apple == positive karma. Since the moderators are a minority(on a given day), I can see how this easilly happens.
Re:Good God, are you Clueless?
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Don't forget, arrival times (read: ping) can also be spoofed from the client side easilly (this might require mods to the NIC's driver). So even if arrival time based triangulation were implemented, it could also potentially be bypassed.
This is not a replacemet nor a supplement for security. I am unaware of any type of triangulation system that cannot easilly be spoofed by a sufficiently smart person.
This is a neat trick you can use for practical purposes (such as smart shopping carts in grocery store, cheep "GPS" in the city, etc.) but worthless for security, etc.
If anyone thinks i'm incorect, please reply. It would be interesting to hear other people's ideas on spoofing triangulations.
I have sprintPCS, and i get a "digital rome" service when the sprint network is down, or the tower is too far away. there are other digital networks in my city offered by 3 different providers. Cingular even offers a plan with unlimited roming anywhere. I have personally been on analog rome, digital rome, and sprintPCS network, from a multitude of different providers.
So my question is, how can i get digital rome if my phone isn't tuned to it? Or do you think it isn't tuned to it, but it can still pick it up, though not as well? any insight?
You did not refute anything I said about the adds being BS, so you agree with that part? (your little ":P" implies so)
You don't agree with apple looking like fools for the simple fact that MS copied it. MS's copy is like a parody of it, if anything.
Weather or not it was an intentional parody, most people will agree (and has already been said in this discussion) that it was obvius that this is not a real case study, but Apple's is supposed to be one.. So, for all intents and purposes, its parody, and making apple look foolish
If apple's add's are actual case studies, that just goes to show what kind of idiots have switched to Mac and think its better for them. You forgot to back up your paper, so you lost half of it in a program crash (or HDD failure)? So you blame the OS/hardwareplatform for your incompetance, and then switch to Mac and think its all better?
Hate to tell you this, but a Mac will lose your paper just as quickly as a PC, wether the program crashes, or your HDD fails, or bad memory, or faulty motherboard, or faulty IDE cables, or faulty USER module.
Point? Mac's dont prevent, fix, or reduce the problems these incompetant users in the Adds are having. To them, its like they went to the doctor and say "my arm hurts when i do this" and the doctor says.. "inject yourself with this each day and itl go away" and hands them a vial of water.
It's in their minds, they are idiots, and you know they are, just won't admit it.
You may say "well done apple" but in reality, every single thing that is said in their switch campaign is total and utter bullshit. Not only that, but its just ridiculous the situations these people were in. What, that girl that lost half her paper, she using some fucked up win95 machine thats 25 years old with a failing hard drive? Mac's don't prevent failed hard drives. Mac's crash, Mac's still have to deal with incompetant users. Every single commercial or ad i have seen involving apple's switch campaign is utter bullshit, and that is exactly the point. MS is copying it, and making apple look like the fools they really are.
It always gets me when some idiot that doesn't know shit about computers rings some bells and whistles and says that converted someone to the mac. They don't realise that these bells and whistles have been on every fucking other platform for fucking years.
some people are just idiots. It's called Mac users.
anybody that owns a modern camcorder (read: most upper middle class familes/people or above) also owns a home computer. there is no reason for them to be deprived of functionality that lets them communicate together. For these reasons, most people with digital video cameras edit their video, at least primitively, on their home computer. If they don't do it in europe, then that's not our fault.
its not as big a deal as downloading and listening to MP3's, but if you take into account only people that own DV cameras (which is just about everyone with a camcorder), then pretty much most of them want to edit the video at least partially on the PC. Given a newer PC, and a digital camcorder, there is no reason NOT to hook them together. Same reasoning goes for having DSL, and a playstation2, but not owning the ethernet adapter for it. Its just plain silly to not do.
This doesnt really give any hard percentages, but Adobe Photoshop (full version) isn't even listed in the top 25 sellers of graphics software on Amazon.com Top 25 Graffics @ Amazon
The mac upgrade version sells less than the full PC version, and the full PC version is way above them all. Considering that photoshop is Apple's main selling point to mac idiots, thye aren't doing THAT well. Considering that photoshop does significantly worse in sales than the PC version, its doubtfull that it would be profitable to make and support software wanted in this article.
Can you tell me what benefit this does, more specifically?
thanks
Re:Multi-tasking
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3D LCD Display
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May I ask why all the mac zealots think that this has anything to do with a mac just because it involves 3D?
FUCK, PEOPLE, STOP TALKING ABOUT THE MAC AS IF IT WERE INNOVATIVE. IT ISN'T. DEAL WITH IT. IF YOU WANT INNOVATION, CERTAINTLY DONT BUY A MAC. Macs have pretty cases, and pretty 2D Desktops. there is nothing "3D" about the pieces of trash you call macs.
The mac's video card doesn't "think" that the desktop is a "3D" application just because STEVE JOBBS said it did. The mac has nothing whatsoever aove any other machine in the relm of "3D" just because STEVE JOBBS said it did. If ANYTHING, the mac is 3 years behind the rest of the world in "3D" and the use of some OpenGL calls in the latest desktop doesnt mean FUCKING JACK SHIT TO YOU OR ANYBODY WHO CARES ABOUT "3D".
Though you seem to be making a funny, do you really know how close to the mark you are?
If you think about it, how many jobs have you had where everything was hunky dorey? And did you realise that it probably was like that because of management? Now look back at all the jobs that were just run by idiots.
You are more correct than you know, even though it was ment as a joke.
Slashdot Mirror
IANAL but...
Being hard to contact in itself isn't fradulent. However, it is fraud when they are avoiding customers who have legitamate claims against them, wether they know it or not. In this case, it is fraud. Period.
Any company who is accepting money from anybody and ignores those same people when they attempt to contact them for a complaint against the service or product is fraudulent. therefore, PayPal may be fradulent. This is evidence that can be presented in court against PayPal and it would stand up as well. (Unless there is a contract that was signed stating otherwise)
Since you aren't entitled to the sources unless you obtain the binaries legit, then what is the problem? The GPL doesnt say anything about giving the sources out free to everyone. It says if you give out a binary to someone, that person is also entitled to the soruces free of charge. (ie, email them and they will be required to send it to you)
/. a hundred times.
If someone buys the $99 dollar copy, then posts the binaries and sources on his website for free download, that would be fine, but so far, nobody has done that, so you must pay $99 dollars if you want it. GPL isn't free beer.
Go read the GPL, this question has been answered on
"Apple has been making quiet computers since before the Mac came out. That would be before Gateway, Dell and Compaq were even in existance (not to mention Pentiums)."
Before the pentium, x86 PC's didn't have fans in them. If they did, it was 1 very slow fan in the PSU. IIRC, most of the pre-Mac apple PSU's also contained fans in them. If you like, I will go through the apple parts database and find all the models that contain fans. But I'm not at work now, so it will have to be later. So your point is irrelevant. Back then, cooling and noise was a non issue, and we didn't have 300-400W going through our computers. Fans were slow, small, and didn't push much air, thus noise was not an issue.
Yes, my first hand computer knowledge starts around the intel 386, that doesn't mean I don't know anything about old PC's (Personal Computers, I don't mean x86 here). My 386 had 1 fan; it was in the PSU. So it was just as quiet as the apples.
Since you don't know how far away Apple measured their G4 Cube, these 2 dB readings cannot be compared. This article doesn't use a quiet room to measure the sound levels, so his readings are somewhat innacurate, and entirely inconsistant with Apple's measurements.
Also, the cube with the quality video card has a fan that is louder than this entire machine.
On top of that, the cube had stability problems and overheated.
Too bad they dont make those devices that are automatic (depending on if your machine is in sleep mode or not, or temperature related, etc..)
I know I know, they make heat sensitive fans, but they are not able to be callibrated to the temperature for your application, so useless.
"Those who forget the apple are doomed to reinvent it. Apple has been using large heatsink"
Who said Apple invented large heatsinks,airflow design, etc?
I have been using large heatsinks, low powered quiet ducted fans, and passive coolers since the pentium days. My current machine has an 80x80mm heatsink with copper base embedded in it with an 80mm silent fan and its cooling an athlon XP 2100. The rest of my system is setup such that I have minimal airflow for the required cooling. Ducted air, large heatsinks, copper bases, etc etc..
People have known about large heatsinks, passive cooling, etc way way way before Apple Computer started making PC's with passive heatsinks on it.
Also, your post is irrelevant considering that Gateway, Dell, HP, Compaq has been doing the exact same thing in (many) of their systems as well for years. (check out dell optiplex, Gateway E-series, I dont know the compaq models, but I have seen some like this).
Then consider the G4 cube. it was fanless, nice innovation. But then they put a loud as hell hard drive in it, the power switch went off intermittently due to overheating (it was heat sensitive) and they put a fan in it anyway when they put the 3D Video cards in it. (this video card fan was like a 40mm fan spinning fast as hell and it was not very quiet at all, all on top of a very very small heatsink which had plenty of room to be larger)
Next, you are going to tell me that Apple invented thermodynamics? Please. Don't try to pretend Apple invented everything. They didn't. And they are far far far FAR from the ppl who started making silent PCs. Everyone has been making silence (and mostly, reduced noise) since the begining of cooling weather it be for cars, power lines, space shuttles, oil pipes, computers, whatever.
Not to troll, but just wanted to point out YARWTNR (yet another reason why the negative reviews)..
apt-cache for a search utility? what a great name!
I guess only Quarts extreme requires a GPU, I guess u can use Jag w/o quarts extreme, my bad :(
From apple's website:
"Quartz Extreme functionality is supported by the following video GPUs: NVIDIA GeForce2 MX, GeForce3, GeForce4 MX, or GeForce4 Ti or any AGP-based ATI RADEON GPU. A minimum of 16MB VRAM is required."
actually, my post just says that the possibility exists for them to be all mac zealots. In reality, all the moderators aren't mac zealots. However, given that it only takes a few moderators out of many to mark up most positive mac comments, and mark down most negative mac comments, it is certaintly possible for this to happen each day.
/. crew I am assuming to be careless about macs, they will not go against the smaller portion of moderators who mod comments relating to macs.
Since the rest of the
My assumption is that there are more mac zealots than people who are willing to refute the inaccuracies of a mac zealot(likely, because it isn't worth their time), therefore, its easy for this situation to happen each day.
If that wasn't clear in the first post, I hope it is now.
(BTW, I think I might be slightly wrong about the OSX Jag requiring a T&L engine, but it does require a 3d video card (I think the rage128's work) anyone know more?
"I have known several people who would have and should have bought Macs..."
/. ?
I am unaware of any situation where one 'should' buy a Mac. But some people would like to think such situations actually do exist.
BTW, teachers are among the poorest of americans with jobs, you expect them to buy a mac for > 2x the cost? riiight.
Now that I think about it, how come no teachers post on
"...getting free shwag"
:(
Only shwag... Too bad apple doesn't make any dank computers
OS X "Jaguwire" requires a 3d video card with T&L engine (ie, Nvidia geforce1 or ATI radeon +) the new Jag "makes your video card THINK the desktop is 3d, even though its just 2d" (Apple Computer) to accelerate and make the GUI faster (ie, its using OpenGL calls to draw some shit). Big deal. Apple wants to basically drop support for the old machines and that is why they don't let you run their new shit from older hardware.
I don't blame them.
Too many mac users (reason I specify 'mac' users is because mac users tend to think that mac's last longer than PC's for some reason, hint: they don't last longer) think apple's were ment to last a lifetime, then get pissed off at the store when they need a new $400 motherboard after the 1 yr warranty expires (yes, $400).
The faster apple can get rid of all the old machines being used, the less bitching and bad rep they get from broken hardware, and the more money into their pockets from new sales.
Before someone tries to refute my "lasts longer" statement. Please, don't compare emachines and $400 gateways and compaqs to eMacs. They aren't competitors. the price difference is far greater than 2x.
I never said I think this is a good thing for anybody. In fact, I hate anything having to do with apple. The general concensus on slashdot, from my POV, is that most of the cluefull people really don't give a shit about apple, and just tollerate the mac zealots. Since you can't convince a mac zealot that their precious G4 and twisted idea of UNIX that is OSX isn't all that, its not worth the argument.
Though, I can see how the minority of people that like apple can make it look like slashdot likes apple. But this is a problem with the moderation system. If you notice, any post negative to apple == negative karma, every post positive to apple == positive karma. Since the moderators are a minority(on a given day), I can see how this easilly happens.
Don't forget, arrival times (read: ping) can also be spoofed from the client side easilly (this might require mods to the NIC's driver). So even if arrival time based triangulation were implemented, it could also potentially be bypassed.
This is not a replacemet nor a supplement for security. I am unaware of any type of triangulation system that cannot easilly be spoofed by a sufficiently smart person.
This is a neat trick you can use for practical purposes (such as smart shopping carts in grocery store, cheep "GPS" in the city, etc.) but worthless for security, etc.
If anyone thinks i'm incorect, please reply. It would be interesting to hear other people's ideas on spoofing triangulations.
not troling, just asking a question...
I have sprintPCS, and i get a "digital rome" service when the sprint network is down, or the tower is too far away. there are other digital networks in my city offered by 3 different providers. Cingular even offers a plan with unlimited roming anywhere. I have personally been on analog rome, digital rome, and sprintPCS network, from a multitude of different providers.
So my question is, how can i get digital rome if my phone isn't tuned to it? Or do you think it isn't tuned to it, but it can still pick it up, though not as well? any insight?
thx
You did not refute anything I said about the adds being BS, so you agree with that part? (your little ":P" implies so)
You don't agree with apple looking like fools for the simple fact that MS copied it. MS's copy is like a parody of it, if anything.
Weather or not it was an intentional parody, most people will agree (and has already been said in this discussion) that it was obvius that this is not a real case study, but Apple's is supposed to be one.. So, for all intents and purposes, its parody, and making apple look foolish
If apple's add's are actual case studies, that just goes to show what kind of idiots have switched to Mac and think its better for them. You forgot to back up your paper, so you lost half of it in a program crash (or HDD failure)? So you blame the OS/hardwareplatform for your incompetance, and then switch to Mac and think its all better?
Hate to tell you this, but a Mac will lose your paper just as quickly as a PC, wether the program crashes, or your HDD fails, or bad memory, or faulty motherboard, or faulty IDE cables, or faulty USER module.
Point? Mac's dont prevent, fix, or reduce the problems these incompetant users in the Adds are having. To them, its like they went to the doctor and say "my arm hurts when i do this" and the doctor says.. "inject yourself with this each day and itl go away" and hands them a vial of water.
It's in their minds, they are idiots, and you know they are, just won't admit it.
You may say "well done apple" but in reality, every single thing that is said in their switch campaign is total and utter bullshit. Not only that, but its just ridiculous the situations these people were in. What, that girl that lost half her paper, she using some fucked up win95 machine thats 25 years old with a failing hard drive? Mac's don't prevent failed hard drives. Mac's crash, Mac's still have to deal with incompetant users. Every single commercial or ad i have seen involving apple's switch campaign is utter bullshit, and that is exactly the point. MS is copying it, and making apple look like the fools they really are.
It always gets me when some idiot that doesn't know shit about computers rings some bells and whistles and says that converted someone to the mac. They don't realise that these bells and whistles have been on every fucking other platform for fucking years.
some people are just idiots. It's called Mac users.
Just thought of another analogy...
Would you even bother with a digital still camera if you couldn't upload the images to your PC? I thought not.
anybody that owns a modern camcorder (read: most upper middle class familes/people or above) also owns a home computer. there is no reason for them to be deprived of functionality that lets them communicate together. For these reasons, most people with digital video cameras edit their video, at least primitively, on their home computer. If they don't do it in europe, then that's not our fault.
its not as big a deal as downloading and listening to MP3's, but if you take into account only people that own DV cameras (which is just about everyone with a camcorder), then pretty much most of them want to edit the video at least partially on the PC. Given a newer PC, and a digital camcorder, there is no reason NOT to hook them together. Same reasoning goes for having DSL, and a playstation2, but not owning the ethernet adapter for it. Its just plain silly to not do.
hope this helps answer your question...
your sig is a joke.
This doesnt really give any hard percentages, but Adobe Photoshop (full version) isn't even listed in the top 25 sellers of graphics software on Amazon.com Top 25 Graffics @ Amazon
The mac upgrade version sells less than the full PC version, and the full PC version is way above them all. Considering that photoshop is Apple's main selling point to mac idiots, thye aren't doing THAT well. Considering that photoshop does significantly worse in sales than the PC version, its doubtfull that it would be profitable to make and support software wanted in this article.
Can you tell me what benefit this does, more specifically?
thanks
May I ask why all the mac zealots think that this has anything to do with a mac just because it involves 3D?
FUCK, PEOPLE, STOP TALKING ABOUT THE MAC AS IF IT WERE INNOVATIVE. IT ISN'T. DEAL WITH IT. IF YOU WANT INNOVATION, CERTAINTLY DONT BUY A MAC. Macs have pretty cases, and pretty 2D Desktops. there is nothing "3D" about the pieces of trash you call macs.
The mac's video card doesn't "think" that the desktop is a "3D" application just because STEVE JOBBS said it did. The mac has nothing whatsoever aove any other machine in the relm of "3D" just because STEVE JOBBS said it did. If ANYTHING, the mac is 3 years behind the rest of the world in "3D" and the use of some OpenGL calls in the latest desktop doesnt mean FUCKING JACK SHIT TO YOU OR ANYBODY WHO CARES ABOUT "3D".
Though you seem to be making a funny, do you really know how close to the mark you are?
If you think about it, how many jobs have you had where everything was hunky dorey? And did you realise that it probably was like that because of management? Now look back at all the jobs that were just run by idiots.
You are more correct than you know, even though it was ment as a joke.