the kernel driver's aren't cross compatible. That is the whole point of my comment.. however, looks like my question is answered, there is minimal support from nvidia, if only they would finally release a full driver w/ support.
excuse me? did you bother to READ THE FUCKING LINK I posted?
Star office also sells for $39. Office for students was ranked above Star Office in # of sales, and it costs $100. SHEESH, READ BEFORE YOU POST!
It is the top 20 (by # of sales) Office products at Amazon.com. READ for once. All the Office for Mac versions are BELOW the office for PC Student, Pro-Upgrade, and Pro. The Pro version, selling for $444. sold more copies than any of the top 3 mac office suites. the most expensive mac office one was $490something. GO DO THE MATH. If you can't do math, don't bother talking to me. After you do the math, and realise that (at least on amazon.com) more # of sales, and more $$$ goes to the PC version of office, then you can find that you are fucking clueless. (BTW, that was the origional discussion, # of sales, and $ of sales of office suites from Amazon.com)
After you do the math, go back and add all the $99 OEM copies to it, and you will realise that the PC version of office is BY FAR the most office suites microsoft sells.
Nobody is saying the Mac versions don't bring in money. But the numbers, and the evidence all point to the fact that the PC version outsells the mac version BY FAR (not just simple majority here either).
- Program a standalone program to probe your frame buffer, recognise graphic patterns in the image. Automatically move the crosshair to that position using system calls.
- more shit here
The point of all this is that you don't understand the point. I ca think of litterally a million ways of cheating, and punkbuster is not about preventing cheating.
Have you ever heard of antivirus software? Their goal isn't to patch holes in buggy software written by microsoft. Their goal is to detect known exploits, and disable them. With punkbuster, signatures of exploits (mainly aim bots) can be detected, even if they have NOTHING TO DO WITH THE.DLL's that the game uses to run. It is not only a client side program that authenticates.
Everyone knows that anti-cheating is an uphill batter. But did you notice that AV software providers make assloads of money?
Untill game developers start encrypting every packet made by the client, before it is sent off to the network, and on the OS level, the video memory can be locked out, even by the root user, aim bots will exist. and people will use them. Things like PB are the only thing we have to slow this abuse.
If you want to play with non-cheaters, you had better be playing in a league. I can personally guarantee you that most popular public servers has a few people every now and then running aim bots. This applies to CS,Quake3,Wolf, and other popular FPS games.
This is just one retailer, but by far one of the largest. The numbers are pretty much the same at any Heterogeneous retailer.
ON TOP OF ALL THIS: Office for PC is also bundled for ~ $100 at www.dell.com and www.gateway.com when you purchase your computer (at your option) and this is BY FAR where the most number of sales come from. Considering that www.apple.com does NOT bundle office:Mac, and that office:Mac is behind PC Office Retail, AND Upgrade version, We all know that the PC version BY FAR outsells, and outprofits the mac counterpart.
Look at this: 100% of office:Mac sales is from the retail channel, and those sales are BELOW the PC Office sales figures. While on the PC side, some number smaller than 100% (i cannot find a percenage on the web) is from Retail sales, and that number is STILL greater than the Mac retail sales.
As most have pointed out already, Office:Mac is not a port of standard MS Office for PC. it is a complete rewrite from scratch that has the same file format, and menus. This increases cost of development to approximately same cost as the PC Version.
Considering that more retail boxes of MS Office for PC are sold each year than Office:Mac, and on top fo that, MS sells bundles to large OEM's (dell, gateway, etc), your point is utter bullshit..
go back to Amazon and clikc on "Business & Office" and then "Office suites" and look at the top FUCKING 10: Top 10 Office Suites
Please sit down and STFU n00b.
All you mac zealots are exactly the fucking same. Learn to do research before you spout your mac zealotry. You fucking idoiot.
The claim made by the Movie industry is that it is not realistic to be able to reproduce the movie rolls fast enough, and transport them to all the cenimas in the world. So they release in US first, and hold off on other countries as the reels are made available.
IMO, this is totally bogus. It's a matter of money, not time. And now that theaters are going digital soon, they will no longer have these excuses which are totally BOGUS in the first place..
let me guess, did you misread the quote? Did you accidently misread Resume? ROFL LOL OMFG LOFL ICBI CUML's. i can't believe that is so fucking funny OMG im going to go tell my mommy
1)they have fast, faster, and fastest line, the same motherboard, case. different cpu and peripherials. this cuts cost WAY down.
2) No tech support. You cannot even find a 1-800# in their website. If you want tech support, give them a CC# and they will be happy to help you. Hardware failure? give them a CC# and if they find it actually is a failure, they will not bill you.
3) 2 week turnaround on new machines. (ie, no inventory) This isn't true 100% of the time, but it is the majority of the time. If parts don't sit around for a period, they dont loose money on their devaluation. (memory comes to mind).
4) Rape customers on cost of custom configurations. Change from the defaults, they dont only add the cost of the parts, but also add an "overhead" charge (you don't know about this, it is hidden in the price of the addon). I have never seen a Machine maker that charges more for addons than apple. Dell, Gateway, others are way more reasonable in this area. (Geforce3, Memory, SCSI for example)
5) Make the OS so dummied down, that you have to drag the floppy disk to the trash can to eject it. This way, the only tech support call's you would get (if you did actually support your products) would be "how do you eject your disk?"
Simple answer? the less choice you give your customers, the easier it is to support them. I make decisions like this every day with inventory of 3rd party parts we sell in our shop. There is no reason to carry 6 brands of CDRW's, NIC,Video, sound. If a customer has a problem, its much easier to diagnose. If you give them no choice, you can get away with no support at all.
Gateway has basically consolidated to Apple's line. They are having only 2 lines of computers now, the E-Series (managed platform, more expensive, but you can buy massive quantities, and they are all the exact same) and the new line (3 models in this line, 3 diff mobo's[i815, i845, i850]) and if you buy the preconfigured one, you get it shipped faster, AND it costs less.
was the drive by any chance mounted upside down? As I said earlier, this is a major problem that a LOT Of manufacturers do. They claim that it has no affect on it, but I know from mass quantities of experience that it is a problem. Also, maybe you just had a LOT of bad hard drive karma. I know people that end up with dead hard drives so often, and i have never had one dead HDD.
Another thing about laptop hard drives. when you spin them up and down a lot, it lessen's the life of the drive. ie, when the battery is active, most laptops default to like a 1-2 minute spin down time. this is just crap. if you did this every 2 minutes, the drive will go bad in no time.
You also buy yourself $300 more dollars of support costs. Linux isn't free. One main reason it is hard to offer Linux on OEM computers is because the Support costs are way up there. for windows OS, the manufacturer can outsource the Tech Support, and not be too bad of a deal. for Linux, they can do no such thing. they must train staff and hire new people to man the telephones.
For enterprise level, this is not a problem, because coporate can pay the extra prices. but for end user laptops, i just dont think it is economical yet.
I can understand your frustration. The likely cause is rough handling of the laptop while the platter is not parked (ie, spinning). Most laptops nowadays are mountes such that they have some give when the computer is jolted. Your particular model might be mounted on a more stiff bracket than other models. If this is the case, i can see the issue (most likely the case).
We have had similar problems on Gateway and Dell computers. I fix dell/gateway computers for warranty, and about 80% of the hard drives i replace had them mounted in the case upside down, or sideways. I don't care what people say, but you cannot mount a drive sideways or upside down reliably. I did some statistics on drives that came back a SECOND time, and 100% of them were mounted sideways or upside down. This is a real pain in the ass just because whoever designed the case is an idiot.
oh well, in the end, IBM drives are the best you can buy. WD, Maxtor, Fujitsu, Samsung, Quantum, segate are all crap when it comes to IDE.
The reviewer is obviously an idiot. John Carmack himself has done extensive testing with winmodems. He says that winmodems give better network performance than hardware modems. Mainly because the host CPU is thousands of times faster at computing the stuff needed for the communication. Hardware modems are nothing special. and ALL pci modems have problems in linux (because they don't interface through the standard serial port, it is emulated, and linux doesnt do that yet).
In the end, someone needs to just write a software modem driver that can be applied to all modems. They are all basically the same, once you learn how to communicate with them, you need to write software that does everything a modem does. Nobody has written software that does this yet (that is opensourced anyway) so everyone is SOL. I am not up to the task, but I think mainly its just a lack of interest. Nobody uses modems anymore.
On the same note, software ethernet really hasn't been a problem in linux either. As long as the drivers are working decent (ie, not buggy) in the kernel, then i dont mind having software ethernet on a laptop (laptops come with 700MHz CPU's now minimum, so not too big a deal) The cpu time for a modem or ethernet card that is software is somewhere around 1%. much less than any other device will take up.
if anybody disagrees, please give me info on the parts that you think are wrong in teh above.
Do you mind if i use this letter for my senators, etc.? If you dont want me to copy it, i won't, but it is very nice, and i will post any revisions i make to it if it pleases you. I will probably turn it into a more general letter. (ie, not a reply to what my senator said to me)
uhh, your an idiot. Drug cops purchase drugs every day to secure convictions.
The DMCA has a provision allowing the government to not follow the DMCA rules for warrants, etc. Even if this provision was not in there, The government still would be legal in its purchase. It is called gathering evidence. Its illegal to posess drugs, certain guns, etc. Yet the police can legally do it for this purpose.
AMD has been in the market almost as long as Intel.
the athlon (true 7th generation x86 architecture) is for competition with the Pentium4. The 386, 486, 586 (pentium) were all marketed by intel and AMD. then the ppro came out (6th generation) and AMD came out with the k6-X design. ppro, p2, celeron1, p3 are all the same design. the k6-x series are all the same design. AMD then came out with the Athlon, which was yet another complete re-design. Then intel came out with the P4, which was yet another redesign from Intel. AMD really isnt being tricky when they call it the Athlon4. Because in reality, the Pentium4 isnt a pentium at all. The p2/3 wasn't a pentium either. the PENTIUM was a completely different chip than the P2/3. and the pentium4 is a completely different chip. If amd had called their k5 an athlon, and the k6 an athlon2/3, and the k7 could have been called the athlon4. which is exactly what intel did.
Why do you arbitrarily say "4 stage" pipeline? why cannot we base it all on a 15 stage pipeline? why must the G4 be the baseline cpu for how many stages? In reality, it is tradeoffs in engineering. You cannot say that longer pipelines are "dishonest" all you can say is that comparing an athlon's MHz and a p4's MHz as performance marks is dishonest. which is what Intel does. AMD tries to make up for this, and it doesnt work, because consumers think that MHz is all that matters.
In the end, it really doesnt matter at all. People should buy a computer with features that suit them, because the 1ghz cpu isnt gonna do them any better than the 900mhz cpu, and the 2ghz cpu isnt gonna do them much better than the 1.4ghz cpu unless they KNOW why they need that extra 600MHz.
After all is said and done, I think AMD should stop comparing their Speed ratings to MHz which is their new model. this is doomed to fail (look into the past). They should just make a fast model, faster model, and fastest model. and then say "Fastest is comparable to intel's fastest" and their fast is "comparable to intel's low end p4" That is all they have to say. There is no need to TRICK the consumer into thinking the AMD 1600 runs at 1.6GHz just because intel's 1600 runs at 1.6ghz.
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ok...
"I can criticise someone all want; that's my half of the freedom of speech. I just can't/won't stop them from saying it."
err. nm
Idiot.
the kernel driver's aren't cross compatible. That is the whole point of my comment.. however, looks like my question is answered, there is minimal support from nvidia, if only they would finally release a full driver w/ support.
Can you point me into the place that has a link? I can't find the file from nvidia.com I only see linux tarballs and RPM's...
BSD Support doubtfull. Maybe software rendered. Where are your drivers for the nVidia GPU's and ATI's GPU's?
doubt there are any..
testing 123.
If its a reply to a post labeled "Potential Dumb-ass question", then POST A REPLY TO THAT FUCKING POST. don't fucking post on the root.
idiot.
excuse me? did you bother to READ THE FUCKING LINK I posted?
Star office also sells for $39. Office for students was ranked above Star Office in # of sales, and it costs $100. SHEESH, READ BEFORE YOU POST!
It is the top 20 (by # of sales) Office products at Amazon.com. READ for once. All the Office for Mac versions are BELOW the office for PC Student, Pro-Upgrade, and Pro. The Pro version, selling for $444. sold more copies than any of the top 3 mac office suites. the most expensive mac office one was $490something. GO DO THE MATH. If you can't do math, don't bother talking to me. After you do the math, and realise that (at least on amazon.com) more # of sales, and more $$$ goes to the PC version of office, then you can find that you are fucking clueless. (BTW, that was the origional discussion, # of sales, and $ of sales of office suites from Amazon.com)
After you do the math, go back and add all the $99 OEM copies to it, and you will realise that the PC version of office is BY FAR the most office suites microsoft sells.
Nobody is saying the Mac versions don't bring in money. But the numbers, and the evidence all point to the fact that the PC version outsells the mac version BY FAR (not just simple majority here either).
get a clue, then post. you ranting bitch.
Here are some more methods of cheating:
.DLL's that the game uses to run. It is not only a client side program that authenticates.
- Program a standalone program to probe your frame buffer, recognise graphic patterns in the image. Automatically move the crosshair to that position using system calls.
- more shit here
The point of all this is that you don't understand the point. I ca think of litterally a million ways of cheating, and punkbuster is not about preventing cheating.
Have you ever heard of antivirus software? Their goal isn't to patch holes in buggy software written by microsoft. Their goal is to detect known exploits, and disable them. With punkbuster, signatures of exploits (mainly aim bots) can be detected, even if they have NOTHING TO DO WITH THE
Everyone knows that anti-cheating is an uphill batter. But did you notice that AV software providers make assloads of money?
Untill game developers start encrypting every packet made by the client, before it is sent off to the network, and on the OS level, the video memory can be locked out, even by the root user, aim bots will exist. and people will use them. Things like PB are the only thing we have to slow this abuse.
If you want to play with non-cheaters, you had better be playing in a league. I can personally guarantee you that most popular public servers has a few people every now and then running aim bots. This applies to CS,Quake3,Wolf, and other popular FPS games.
MOD the parent UP!
Oh, and BTW, OS X 10.1 is NOT snappy. Do you not understand the concept of time? I mean COME ON!
Sure, its better than OS X 10.0. But that ain't saying much at all.
Here are some supporting numbers:
Top 20 Office suites at Amazon.com
This is just one retailer, but by far one of the largest. The numbers are pretty much the same at any Heterogeneous retailer.
ON TOP OF ALL THIS: Office for PC is also bundled for ~ $100 at www.dell.com and www.gateway.com when you purchase your computer (at your option) and this is BY FAR where the most number of sales come from. Considering that www.apple.com does NOT bundle office:Mac, and that office:Mac is behind PC Office Retail, AND Upgrade version, We all know that the PC version BY FAR outsells, and outprofits the mac counterpart.
Look at this: 100% of office:Mac sales is from the retail channel, and those sales are BELOW the PC Office sales figures. While on the PC side, some number smaller than 100% (i cannot find a percenage on the web) is from Retail sales, and that number is STILL greater than the Mac retail sales.
This does not mean it is more profitable...
As most have pointed out already, Office:Mac is not a port of standard MS Office for PC. it is a complete rewrite from scratch that has the same file format, and menus. This increases cost of development to approximately same cost as the PC Version.
Considering that more retail boxes of MS Office for PC are sold each year than Office:Mac, and on top fo that, MS sells bundles to large OEM's (dell, gateway, etc), your point is utter bullshit..
go back to Amazon and clikc on "Business & Office" and then "Office suites" and look at the top FUCKING 10:
Top 10 Office Suites
Please sit down and STFU n00b.
All you mac zealots are exactly the fucking same. Learn to do research before you spout your mac zealotry. You fucking idoiot.
"the best office suite on the market is usually dismissed out of hand as being for "graphics and stuff." "
People that know about computers, dismiss macs off as "graphics and stuff" because they don't know a fucking thing about graphics.
People that know about graphics use macs because they don't know a fucking thing about computers.
People that know about graphics and computers use PCs.
People that use macs and don't know a fucking thing about graphics use them because they know other people with shit named after fruit.
Yes, this is a flame.
The claim made by the Movie industry is that it is not realistic to be able to reproduce the movie rolls fast enough, and transport them to all the cenimas in the world. So they release in US first, and hold off on other countries as the reels are made available.
IMO, this is totally bogus. It's a matter of money, not time. And now that theaters are going digital soon, they will no longer have these excuses which are totally BOGUS in the first place..
uhh, i always though "computer science" was abbreviated CENG? LOL
oops, my bad
serriously tho, have you ever heard of anybody calling computer science CS? They alwyas use 4 letter abbreviations. CSCI, COSC.
Whereas, CS has always ment Counter Strike (the quake2 mod of a mod [ie, HL is a quake2 mod])
bye
let me guess, did you misread the quote? Did you accidently misread Resume? ROFL LOL OMFG LOFL ICBI CUML's. i can't believe that is so fucking funny OMG im going to go tell my mommy
fuck you slashdot, you lost my reply when i hit preview, fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you.
i will never post here again.
everyone probably would have liked to see my post, as it was very informative. too fucking bad, fucking idiots.
2 words, Apple Computers.
Apple already does this.
1)they have fast, faster, and fastest line, the same motherboard, case. different cpu and peripherials. this cuts cost WAY down.
2) No tech support. You cannot even find a 1-800# in their website. If you want tech support, give them a CC# and they will be happy to help you. Hardware failure? give them a CC# and if they find it actually is a failure, they will not bill you.
3) 2 week turnaround on new machines. (ie, no inventory) This isn't true 100% of the time, but it is the majority of the time. If parts don't sit around for a period, they dont loose money on their devaluation. (memory comes to mind).
4) Rape customers on cost of custom configurations. Change from the defaults, they dont only add the cost of the parts, but also add an "overhead" charge (you don't know about this, it is hidden in the price of the addon). I have never seen a Machine maker that charges more for addons than apple. Dell, Gateway, others are way more reasonable in this area. (Geforce3, Memory, SCSI for example)
5) Make the OS so dummied down, that you have to drag the floppy disk to the trash can to eject it. This way, the only tech support call's you would get (if you did actually support your products) would be "how do you eject your disk?"
Simple answer? the less choice you give your customers, the easier it is to support them. I make decisions like this every day with inventory of 3rd party parts we sell in our shop. There is no reason to carry 6 brands of CDRW's, NIC,Video, sound. If a customer has a problem, its much easier to diagnose. If you give them no choice, you can get away with no support at all.
Gateway has basically consolidated to Apple's line. They are having only 2 lines of computers now, the E-Series (managed platform, more expensive, but you can buy massive quantities, and they are all the exact same) and the new line (3 models in this line, 3 diff mobo's[i815, i845, i850]) and if you buy the preconfigured one, you get it shipped faster, AND it costs less.
was the drive by any chance mounted upside down? As I said earlier, this is a major problem that a LOT Of manufacturers do. They claim that it has no affect on it, but I know from mass quantities of experience that it is a problem. Also, maybe you just had a LOT of bad hard drive karma. I know people that end up with dead hard drives so often, and i have never had one dead HDD.
Another thing about laptop hard drives. when you spin them up and down a lot, it lessen's the life of the drive. ie, when the battery is active, most laptops default to like a 1-2 minute spin down time. this is just crap. if you did this every 2 minutes, the drive will go bad in no time.
You also buy yourself $300 more dollars of support costs. Linux isn't free. One main reason it is hard to offer Linux on OEM computers is because the Support costs are way up there. for windows OS, the manufacturer can outsource the Tech Support, and not be too bad of a deal. for Linux, they can do no such thing. they must train staff and hire new people to man the telephones.
For enterprise level, this is not a problem, because coporate can pay the extra prices. but for end user laptops, i just dont think it is economical yet.
I can understand your frustration. The likely cause is rough handling of the laptop while the platter is not parked (ie, spinning). Most laptops nowadays are mountes such that they have some give when the computer is jolted. Your particular model might be mounted on a more stiff bracket than other models. If this is the case, i can see the issue (most likely the case).
We have had similar problems on Gateway and Dell computers. I fix dell/gateway computers for warranty, and about 80% of the hard drives i replace had them mounted in the case upside down, or sideways. I don't care what people say, but you cannot mount a drive sideways or upside down reliably. I did some statistics on drives that came back a SECOND time, and 100% of them were mounted sideways or upside down. This is a real pain in the ass just because whoever designed the case is an idiot.
oh well, in the end, IBM drives are the best you can buy. WD, Maxtor, Fujitsu, Samsung, Quantum, segate are all crap when it comes to IDE.
The reviewer is obviously an idiot. John Carmack himself has done extensive testing with winmodems. He says that winmodems give better network performance than hardware modems. Mainly because the host CPU is thousands of times faster at computing the stuff needed for the communication. Hardware modems are nothing special. and ALL pci modems have problems in linux (because they don't interface through the standard serial port, it is emulated, and linux doesnt do that yet).
In the end, someone needs to just write a software modem driver that can be applied to all modems. They are all basically the same, once you learn how to communicate with them, you need to write software that does everything a modem does. Nobody has written software that does this yet (that is opensourced anyway) so everyone is SOL. I am not up to the task, but I think mainly its just a lack of interest. Nobody uses modems anymore.
On the same note, software ethernet really hasn't been a problem in linux either. As long as the drivers are working decent (ie, not buggy) in the kernel, then i dont mind having software ethernet on a laptop (laptops come with 700MHz CPU's now minimum, so not too big a deal) The cpu time for a modem or ethernet card that is software is somewhere around 1%. much less than any other device will take up.
if anybody disagrees, please give me info on the parts that you think are wrong in teh above.
thanks
Do you mind if i use this letter for my senators, etc.? If you dont want me to copy it, i won't, but it is very nice, and i will post any revisions i make to it if it pleases you. I will probably turn it into a more general letter. (ie, not a reply to what my senator said to me)
what do you say?
thanks.
uhh, your an idiot. Drug cops purchase drugs every day to secure convictions.
The DMCA has a provision allowing the government to not follow the DMCA rules for warrants, etc. Even if this provision was not in there, The government still would be legal in its purchase. It is called gathering evidence. Its illegal to posess drugs, certain guns, etc. Yet the police can legally do it for this purpose.
AMD has been in the market almost as long as Intel.
the athlon (true 7th generation x86 architecture) is for competition with the Pentium4. The 386, 486, 586 (pentium) were all marketed by intel and AMD. then the ppro came out (6th generation) and AMD came out with the k6-X design. ppro, p2, celeron1, p3 are all the same design. the k6-x series are all the same design. AMD then came out with the Athlon, which was yet another complete re-design. Then intel came out with the P4, which was yet another redesign from Intel. AMD really isnt being tricky when they call it the Athlon4. Because in reality, the Pentium4 isnt a pentium at all. The p2/3 wasn't a pentium either. the PENTIUM was a completely different chip than the P2/3. and the pentium4 is a completely different chip. If amd had called their k5 an athlon, and the k6 an athlon2/3, and the k7 could have been called the athlon4. which is exactly what intel did.
Umm, just one thing here:
Why do you arbitrarily say "4 stage" pipeline? why cannot we base it all on a 15 stage pipeline? why must the G4 be the baseline cpu for how many stages? In reality, it is tradeoffs in engineering. You cannot say that longer pipelines are "dishonest" all you can say is that comparing an athlon's MHz and a p4's MHz as performance marks is dishonest. which is what Intel does. AMD tries to make up for this, and it doesnt work, because consumers think that MHz is all that matters.
In the end, it really doesnt matter at all. People should buy a computer with features that suit them, because the 1ghz cpu isnt gonna do them any better than the 900mhz cpu, and the 2ghz cpu isnt gonna do them much better than the 1.4ghz cpu unless they KNOW why they need that extra 600MHz.
After all is said and done, I think AMD should stop comparing their Speed ratings to MHz which is their new model. this is doomed to fail (look into the past). They should just make a fast model, faster model, and fastest model. and then say "Fastest is comparable to intel's fastest" and their fast is "comparable to intel's low end p4" That is all they have to say. There is no need to TRICK the consumer into thinking the AMD 1600 runs at 1.6GHz just because intel's 1600 runs at 1.6ghz.