i have perhaps met three people who know english. english is a hack, of many different languages and dialects, warped and twisted generation after generation. i sure has hell don't claim to know english.
seriously though, why should anyone be expected to learn a language as bloated, and crufty as english? while i have yet find a replacement(esperanto?), i think
if it is understandable, that is all that matters. isn't that what the point of a language is, in the first place? to get meaning/information from one point to another?
this thinking people as worse because of their incapability to learn a near-impossible language is just naieve. there's infinitely more important things to do than learn how to communicate absurdly more accurately.
"the laws of the universe do not change"
sais you! sure, if there was a bubble-feild of some sorts that everything we understand to be our universe exists in, and the laws change inside this due to a change in a higher force...then the
'sum of all things' could be paraphrased as 'universe' and the *real laws* didn't end up changing... but what makes you think that this process isn't not only extended ad infinitum, but also to the statement that this process isn't not only extended ad infinitum et cetera?
seriously, on what grounds do you know how the universe operates?
i've seen strange things. toys multiply although they were very obviously not capable of reproduction. human consiousness. and all sorts of 'deja vu' stuff, and so has everyone else if they would only pay attention. the world and the universe may or may not be consious/intelligent/aware...but either way it is malicious.
Laws of logic are *human* conceptions. unless you are going to prove otherwise( oh wait, proofs fall in math/logic... proving that there is a proof that is valid in existance presuposses that there is a proof that is valid in existance! mwhaahaha )
all that we know about the universe is not only not complete, but fundementally limited. heisenburg limits us in some ways, black holes in another, and that's just the beginning.
specifically not to cause trouble, or i'm going to lose my position at this univesity. i'm not going to raise any sort of such hell so long as i'm on probation. this is the problem with my position, i can't really do stuff like that, pissing sponsors off would certianly threaten my education.
i live in a Coke campus here in canada:(
worst part is the machines eat half the money put into them without spitting anything out in return(sure, 1$/drink sounds like a 'good deal' until you realize you end up paying either 2$ for a drink or 1$ for nothing:p). i'd say fuck cocacola but i'm afraid my tuition may increase:/
why are you paying attention to said reporter? we know he's a slanderous moron who doesn't understand the story? we know that they lie daily to Joe Nobody and that for it Joe has a worldview that is so full of shit that i can smell it wherever i go...and worse, that nobody out there cares.
why is this an issue? we *know* that if slashdot is something important or if slashdot is something with lots of activity that it will be used as a tool in some sort of reinforcement of some reporter/media exec's delusions...why is this worth considerring actions/value against?
the US Legislative and Executive branches are Fucked! why are you even considerring them?! they are allready merely puppets of corporations like Microsoft. it doesn't matter what you, or anyone else does, the damage has been done...all we have to do is wait for the effects. mabye if there wasn't control structures in place and these very same interests willing to screw over linux as we speak your voice would be meaningful, but this is not the case, and it's only a matter of time before 'associates with worm/virus writers/spammers' is equivilent or lesser than what 'linux user' means for a person.
you are trying to justify something by claiming an unstable vicious and no one should care what they could potentially think about anything -- it is not they that do the thinking, and it is not they who we need to worry about offending. follow the money.
i failed my first year logic course primarily because i ran an outdated version of windows(dos shell/win3.1) without the propper java support to so much as open my logic textbook(it was on a CDROM)
worse still is that it has a key in it so that only one person can own the textbook, with only one email address, and so if you sell anyone else your "textbook" the only way this textbook is useful is if you also give them your email.
as i understand it, once you have a book, textbook or otherwise, once you understand the material, you can use the book to teach others. this is how the entire 'writing' technology has served us for millenia, and i don't like the way knowledge evaporates after awhile through some digital means.
language proof and logic, this means you.
socialist as i can be sometimes, i see absolutely no problem with you drawing that reference. it makes sense to do so,(system is broken, therefor don't use the system).
but it has not always been this way. i couldn't tell you why exactly things aren't working right now(multibillion dollar studies are being done to determine the cause and i think even they are confused)
however, i feel privatization is not a cure for this ailment. sure, some people end up getting mediical coverage, but i'll never be included in that set of people(i'll be poor until i die).
perhaps in the united states what you have is better than what we have right now, but 10 or so years ago this was not the case. even in saskatoon(which has a university+hospital link which for some reason makes the hospital more efficient) it's not that bad(thus 250km bus ride...that's how far away saskatoon is).
on the other hand, i feel that canada is going to become a true communistic state before the end of this century. or fall apart, one of the two.
why do i say this? the majority of the population are boomers correct? well, if all the boomers are stuck in care homes, and they are also the majority of the population, and the care homes are funded by the government, well then guess what? you have a WHOLE MASSIVE BUNCH (because it would take that many) of young people employed to control and help out a whole massive bunch of old people by the government, and what you then have is everyone either working for the government(read: hospitals/care homes) or everyone being taken care of by government programs(hospital/care homes). obviously privatization would cure this(it would become a really nasty corporate state, then, although it needn't be that bad. but knowing the boomers i wouldn't discount it)... but in this case i forsee economic disaster, and adding of canada into the united states.
(/ranting)
in the meanwhile i just had the weirdest dream including a reference to this thread
but yes, until we socialist states can get our shit together this view is acceptable. i think part of the problem is that our liberal government starved healthcare(and it's not like you can just starve healthcare for 5 years then give it a bunch of money to make up for things and expect things to work out, healthcare is not a bank), and part of the reason it did that was trying to balance the budget due to deficits from the tories earlier, and that they were just plain crooked to begin with. while this may not be the only reason, i can tell you now don't elect crooks into office.
i'm a braindead single mom with 4.9 kids and i'm told by microsoft to instead of clicking on icons to write by hand urls...
does this actually acomplish anything?
if i get a url like http://www.cnn.com@www.schnits.org/?comments=foo3 or whatever...and this is copy/pasted through manually copying each character with myself...
isn't the conclusion of this story the same as if i were to have just clicked on it? microsoft's advice accomplishes absoluteley nothing!
and anyway...99% of the time i'm perfectly content with elinks.
i'm all for having cs/ee educated doctors but
you missunderstand the rate of brain drain / loss of doctors from canada to the united states. now we could debate about the why's and the poletics of it, but i won't (because you and i may not agree) but what is important here is that there are areas where there is basically little to no medical coverage whatsoever, and existing doctors are working quadruple and triple shifts back to back because there just aren't any doctors here. there are crazy lineups and people have died because there just isn't enough doctors to work with. i would suggest, as the parent poster did, that the doctor should go to ontario(or quebec, or saskatchewan, or bc...) instead of going forward.
and if this post couldn't get any worse,
"So if among virtuous actions, political and military actions are distinguished by nobility and greatness, and these are unleisureley and aim at an end and are not desirable for their own sake, but the activity of reason, which is contemplative"1
paraphrased, that the noble deeds which are not enjoyable are to an end, and this end is to get to the point where we as intelligent beings can work on creating the new tech that will save lives. of course feild inventions are nice too(instant adaption) but... at least in aristotle's Point of View i think we can safely say that this man should instead do what will allow more contemplation to exist, ie, save lives.
and that's to say nothing about places with worse situations than canada.
and as for *my* life, my life is held soley by my skins' capability to keep myself alive, and should i ever have something happen to me where i become injured severeley or violently ill again i'm going to take a bus > 250km away instead of going to a local hospital...because i'll get treated faster, guaranteed. in fact i should get a poster or a bracelet or something to that effect...hrm...
mabye the ms goons have got everyone.
seriously though. there's talk of a microsoft pr war. what to do in case of pr war? KEEP USING LINUX. keep yourself well fed. if something is totally annoying about linux, fix it! if you don't know how(like me) start getting chest deep in README's, manpages, HOWTO's and whatnot. and if
your not a geek, beg a geek to help you, or use BSD or something, which due to academic interests will never die out completely.
hit the wave head on, and don't break. after all, even if microsoft ever does create a supperior OS, it won't matter. we have the highground, and they have no intent of taking it. Freedom, my peers, is what we have chosen. Computers do what we, their owners and commanders tell them to...and freedom means the freedom to know what other people have told our computers to do. No more spyware imbedded into our software! no more fucking buggy windows 98 crash ten times in one session bullshit...i don't care if XP is more stable than this, we know they are capable of this, and they will fall back to this in the future. Their software may become worse with time, but should Linux ever go truly bad, we can always take a few steps back
'2.13.5 sucks soo badly mostly since linus got addicted to heroin? we're bout to start a fork back at 2.9.3 where it was still descent' and we can do this! do you think we're ever going to be able to fork windows 95?
and most importantly, don't let yourself be beaten down to far, after all, what is more impressive, a bunch of broke MS developers who are fighting over the few thousand jobs available (all at microsoft)...or a linux user with all sorts of cool and unthought of applications that will only occur to us in the next decade or two? of course there isn't really such a black and white comparison here but the spectrum of choice...but we have nothing to fear. we have the upper hand, and it's going to stay this way for the near future, at least.
that i would be taking anything from cnn. they aren't a news source, they are a propeganda factory. if all PHB's read is cnn/Times then they are going to be clueless and ignorant, period. there is no length the oss community can go to to make your record clean when they wish to slander you.
and i appear to have been misinformed myself.
i thought they were 'demands' as in 'if these demands are met we will stop killing your people on sight' where in reality, the wording of the 'fatwa' released by mr. bin laden appears to just say 'they are evil, they have wronged us, our blood is on their hands, kill them all' and that there is a movement to use america as a catalyst to jumpstart the creation of the new islamist state. american's are now a permanent fixture in the sights of declared enemies. fascinating.
anyways, i really don't think that any of al-qaeda's plans are that deep...but it doesn't seem like anything other than ancient greek dialectic would be needed to presuppose for it...so...i'll remain undecided on this.
on the good side, as a composer, i think the real fun has just begun.
and honestly, who didn't think that programers aren't going to be the studio musicians of this century?
hell i think before 2099 we are going to see programs that write their own software that makes music, in a manner described above. of course, that would be owned by the RIAA. which is sad.
is the same in the two cases
a) the blood has allready been spilt in isreal/palistine/afghanistan/iraq/.../and to a lesser extent panema/cuba and a whole pile of other nations that are not conerned with this conflict directly
b) the blood has allready been spilt due to the patriot act.
there is now going to be a massive backlash, if it takes five, ten, or a thousand years against the american empire as it stands (and *hopefully*(but i wouldn't count on it) the multinationals that make up it's backbone). people around the world, are pissed off. their sons have been murderred, women raped, villages bombed and children limbless from american laid Motorola Land Mines(tm). tens if not hundreds of thousands have died or will die of thirst and hunger due to american wars. people just don't forget these things. osama bin laden may be out of the picture but the people who he trained are not all gone... and so long as there is one fanatical person left and widespread resentement to support them there will be a revolt/strike against america.
this is why lesser developed nations and fanatical islam is now imposible to turn away from their bloodlust against america at this point, and due to the sheer number of them out there, and the tendancy to turn moderate islam (due to local wars) is going to pose an infinite supply of bodies to throw from their cause at america.
this alone, however should not piss off rational, developed nations and their people. i have no idea what isreal is doing or what nation they just recently attacked(not palistine). why? because it doesn't affect me *today* and i think a lot of people in first world nations feel similar to this. but between the patriot act and some of the other actions(specifically using unilateral force against united nations decree, but there's a long list) similarily, the united states government has pissed off the rational, democratic world. by promoting torture, and radically conservativism backed by corporate money, they isolate themselves from the people elsewhere. which hell, may not be a bad thing. why does america need support from any other nation? they can take on the entire muslim world(Because they have not yet learned to seperate the dangerous sections from the moderate) and not have any sort of reprocussions, after all, right?
i had the exact same opinion as you did (that allowing the terrorists to radically change the freedom-loving united states into a police-regieme would mean that they had in a sense 'won') but this is an unimformed opinion. Al-Quaeda does not wish to turn the united states into a police state, or take away your freedom. they wish to kill you. there's a slight difference here. There are what, three demands right? 1. get israel out of palistine 2. get american troops out of saudi arabia. 3. i can't remember the third item.
1) isreal is still screwing around in palestine. 2) afaik american troops are still in saudi arabia(although there's talk in conservative circles of nuking/going to war with saudi arabia)
3) i'm pretty sure they havn't accomplished #3 even though i can't particularily remember it.
so what have the terrorists accomplished? nothing! fuckall! they accomplished pissing off roughly half of all americans to the point where using tactical nuclear weapons on nations that even harbour terrorists (despite declared neutrality) is on the radar...
and iirc due to the radical islam puritainism that these specific terrorists (al-qaeda and allies) follow they are going to try to kill jews and americans, period. do not collect 200$ do not pass go. just fucking die, you corrupt american satan spawn.
the type of regeime that these people want to see may be more like the type of regeime that the united states is falling into (fascism) but this is by no means their intent or goal. mabye the united states, in their perfect world would be a police state fascistic nation, after it has been completely demolished and built up as a holy massive shrine of the accomplishment of god's true chosen people(ie overthrowing the great american evil).
know the best part? there's absolutely nothing you can do, beyond pissing people off, due to the dynamic nature of the conflict, and the interdependancy of all nations in the globalist world. i personally don't think that i, as a canadian living nearby the US border that i'm going to die of nuclear attack, but biological/chemical isn't out of the question as a 'leading potential cause of death'.
(/ranting)
and to keep on topic? i can only hope that the canadian government takes a hint from this and begins to repeal some of the godawful nasty law they have put into effect here(which if i recall, is much more dangerous and threatening than the american patriot acts were, considering, and more permenent considering our lack of specific constitutional protection,..unless i'm mistaken on this. hrm. it has been awhile since i read the constitutional documents of this nation. anyways...)
"the fact that something like this makes ANYONE who is anti-SCO look bad"
sir this is not a fact. and furthermore i wish people would quit using this "what i say is a fact" unless they have some grounding in consensus or at least *something* substantial. hell i may be very well misguided or wrong in anything i say, but so may you and it is misleading to any rational discourse to claim something as fact like this.
anyways it would be just as illogical to
hold all muslims as bad because a couple of members of an extremist anti-american cell of an anti-american cult of an extremist version of islam and their actions. it is to small a sample size. it is to small a portion of the community to represent you all.
as for myself i'm a member of a subset that's been radical in this respect for quite some time and really i can't claim that i don't support these guys.
if you think seriously this could be a PR disaster for the OSS community and linux, you should go around preaching how we should STFU and let the events turn out as they may, basically ignoring and not praising or even debating the actions of the extremist cell involved. after all, darl called this upon himself, and it just seems to follow from pissing people off that this is going to happen. offer assistance, perhaps even(our linux server cluster will help you avoid this problem, etc) and suggest others to do the same. but hold this event as 'part of nature' and as completely unimportant (companies are ddos'ed every day, why is SCO important?)
if they cannot speak?
agentsmth()dDoS(Sco);
seriously though, i commend these people, whoever they are. don't forget, this isn't just about linux, this is about the integrity of the GPL, corporate power, the use and abuse of [patent &] copyright law, and many slanderous attacks, and probably a few things i can't think of at the moment. the open source community is more important than linux, and the spirit of community itself and the wellbeing of it's members(upheld by a union of closed and open source interests) is more important than the open source community...and microsoft definitely threatens this, and they are using SCO as a proxy means to this end. not to mention the PR damage allready done by 'playing fair' and letting darl and crew get away with the hell they have been.
SCO is playing dirty, and they started playing dirty. what did they expect? and really, this is just inevidible concerning for-profit unions of people as a whole... and this is an attack on them, believe me...therefor it is a just attack, and we should celebrate it. personally, i've been waiting for this day for quite some time.
"stick your thumb in his eye, and use weapons when he's unarmed. you can justify it all to yourself...later"- body armor promo-sktfm
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i have perhaps met three people who know english. english is a hack, of many different languages and dialects, warped and twisted generation after generation. i sure has hell don't claim to know english.
seriously though, why should anyone be expected to learn a language as bloated, and crufty as english? while i have yet find a replacement(esperanto?), i think if it is understandable, that is all that matters. isn't that what the point of a language is, in the first place? to get meaning/information from one point to another?
this thinking people as worse because of their incapability to learn a near-impossible language is just naieve. there's infinitely more important things to do than learn how to communicate absurdly more accurately.
but i found a better one. pity i can't tell you what it was, and how it's helping me, but thanks for the reply:)
"the laws of the universe do not change" sais you! sure, if there was a bubble-feild of some sorts that everything we understand to be our universe exists in, and the laws change inside this due to a change in a higher force...then the 'sum of all things' could be paraphrased as 'universe' and the *real laws* didn't end up changing... but what makes you think that this process isn't not only extended ad infinitum, but also to the statement that this process isn't not only extended ad infinitum et cetera?
...but either way it is malicious.
... proving that there is a proof that is valid in existance presuposses that there is a proof that is valid in existance! mwhaahaha )
all that we know about the universe is not only not complete, but fundementally limited. heisenburg limits us in some ways, black holes in another, and that's just the beginning.
seriously, on what grounds do you know how the universe operates?
i've seen strange things. toys multiply although they were very obviously not capable of reproduction. human consiousness. and all sorts of 'deja vu' stuff, and so has everyone else if they would only pay attention. the world and the universe may or may not be consious/intelligent/aware
Laws of logic are *human* conceptions. unless you are going to prove otherwise( oh wait, proofs fall in math/logic
no i didn't rtfa.
specifically not to cause trouble, or i'm going to lose my position at this univesity. i'm not going to raise any sort of such hell so long as i'm on probation. this is the problem with my position, i can't really do stuff like that, pissing sponsors off would certianly threaten my education.
i live in a Coke campus here in canada:( worst part is the machines eat half the money put into them without spitting anything out in return(sure, 1$/drink sounds like a 'good deal' until you realize you end up paying either 2$ for a drink or 1$ for nothing :p). i'd say fuck cocacola but i'm afraid my tuition may increase:/
why are you paying attention to said reporter? we know he's a slanderous moron who doesn't understand the story? we know that they lie daily to Joe Nobody and that for it Joe has a worldview that is so full of shit that i can smell it wherever i go...and worse, that nobody out there cares.
why is this an issue? we *know* that if slashdot is something important or if slashdot is something with lots of activity that it will be used as a tool in some sort of reinforcement of some reporter/media exec's delusions...why is this worth considerring actions/value against?
the US Legislative and Executive branches are Fucked! why are you even considerring them?! they are allready merely puppets of corporations like Microsoft. it doesn't matter what you, or anyone else does, the damage has been done...all we have to do is wait for the effects. mabye if there wasn't control structures in place and these very same interests willing to screw over linux as we speak your voice would be meaningful, but this is not the case, and it's only a matter of time before 'associates with worm/virus writers/spammers' is equivilent or lesser than what 'linux user' means for a person. you are trying to justify something by claiming an unstable vicious and no one should care what they could potentially think about anything -- it is not they that do the thinking, and it is not they who we need to worry about offending. follow the money.
i failed my first year logic course primarily because i ran an outdated version of windows(dos shell/win3.1) without the propper java support to so much as open my logic textbook(it was on a CDROM)
worse still is that it has a key in it so that only one person can own the textbook, with only one email address, and so if you sell anyone else your "textbook" the only way this textbook is useful is if you also give them your email.
as i understand it, once you have a book, textbook or otherwise, once you understand the material, you can use the book to teach others. this is how the entire 'writing' technology has served us for millenia, and i don't like the way knowledge evaporates after awhile through some digital means.
language proof and logic, this means you.
here's a post i made near then on k5
yay lets replace a 500$ textbook set with a 3000$ computer every year! that'l save us lots of money!
i think the RIAA's suing of little girls and grandmother trumps SCO somewhat
macdonalds hamburgers are really that big, or healthy.
macdonalds is *everywhere*
it's all a matter of perception.
socialist as i can be sometimes, i see absolutely no problem with you drawing that reference. it makes sense to do so,(system is broken, therefor don't use the system).
but it has not always been this way. i couldn't tell you why exactly things aren't working right now(multibillion dollar studies are being done to determine the cause and i think even they are confused)
however, i feel privatization is not a cure for this ailment. sure, some people end up getting mediical coverage, but i'll never be included in that set of people(i'll be poor until i die). perhaps in the united states what you have is better than what we have right now, but 10 or so years ago this was not the case. even in saskatoon(which has a university+hospital link which for some reason makes the hospital more efficient) it's not that bad(thus 250km bus ride...that's how far away saskatoon is).
on the other hand, i feel that canada is going to become a true communistic state before the end of this century. or fall apart, one of the two. why do i say this? the majority of the population are boomers correct? well, if all the boomers are stuck in care homes, and they are also the majority of the population, and the care homes are funded by the government, well then guess what? you have a WHOLE MASSIVE BUNCH (because it would take that many) of young people employed to control and help out a whole massive bunch of old people by the government, and what you then have is everyone either working for the government(read: hospitals/care homes) or everyone being taken care of by government programs(hospital/care homes). obviously privatization would cure this(it would become a really nasty corporate state, then, although it needn't be that bad. but knowing the boomers i wouldn't discount it)... but in this case i forsee economic disaster, and adding of canada into the united states.
(/ranting)
in the meanwhile i just had the weirdest dream including a reference to this thread but yes, until we socialist states can get our shit together this view is acceptable.
i think part of the problem is that our liberal government starved healthcare(and it's not like you can just starve healthcare for 5 years then give it a bunch of money to make up for things and expect things to work out, healthcare is not a bank), and part of the reason it did that was trying to balance the budget due to deficits from the tories earlier, and that they were just plain crooked to begin with. while this may not be the only reason, i can tell you now don't elect crooks into office.
i'm a braindead single mom with 4.9 kids and i'm told by microsoft to instead of clicking on icons to write by hand urls...
does this actually acomplish anything?
if i get a url like http://www.cnn.com@www.schnits.org/?comments=foo3 or whatever...and this is copy/pasted through manually copying each character with myself... isn't the conclusion of this story the same as if i were to have just clicked on it? microsoft's advice accomplishes absoluteley nothing!
and anyway...99% of the time i'm perfectly content with elinks.
i'm all for having cs/ee educated doctors but you missunderstand the rate of brain drain / loss of doctors from canada to the united states. now we could debate about the why's and the poletics of it, but i won't (because you and i may not agree) but what is important here is that there are areas where there is basically little to no medical coverage whatsoever, and existing doctors are working quadruple and triple shifts back to back because there just aren't any doctors here. there are crazy lineups and people have died because there just isn't enough doctors to work with. i would suggest, as the parent poster did, that the doctor should go to ontario(or quebec, or saskatchewan, or bc...) instead of going forward.
and if this post couldn't get any worse,
"So if among virtuous actions, political and military actions are distinguished by nobility and greatness, and these are unleisureley and aim at an end and are not desirable for their own sake, but the activity of reason, which is contemplative"1
paraphrased, that the noble deeds which are not enjoyable are to an end, and this end is to get to the point where we as intelligent beings can work on creating the new tech that will save lives. of course feild inventions are nice too(instant adaption) but... at least in aristotle's Point of View i think we can safely say that this man should instead do what will allow more contemplation to exist, ie, save lives.
and that's to say nothing about places with worse situations than canada.
and as for *my* life, my life is held soley by my skins' capability to keep myself alive, and should i ever have something happen to me where i become injured severeley or violently ill again i'm going to take a bus > 250km away instead of going to a local hospital...because i'll get treated faster, guaranteed. in fact i should get a poster or a bracelet or something to that effect...hrm...
1 Aristotle Nicomachean ethics 1177b 16
i don't like the motorola land mine swarm support in 2.8.6, and the matrix style neural interface support in 2.10.5.
actually you have a good point:)
mabye the ms goons have got everyone. seriously though. there's talk of a microsoft pr war. what to do in case of pr war? KEEP USING LINUX. keep yourself well fed. if something is totally annoying about linux, fix it! if you don't know how(like me) start getting chest deep in README's, manpages, HOWTO's and whatnot. and if your not a geek, beg a geek to help you, or use BSD or something, which due to academic interests will never die out completely.
hit the wave head on, and don't break. after all, even if microsoft ever does create a supperior OS, it won't matter. we have the highground, and they have no intent of taking it. Freedom, my peers, is what we have chosen. Computers do what we, their owners and commanders tell them to...and freedom means the freedom to know what other people have told our computers to do. No more spyware imbedded into our software! no more fucking buggy windows 98 crash ten times in one session bullshit...i don't care if XP is more stable than this, we know they are capable of this, and they will fall back to this in the future. Their software may become worse with time, but should Linux ever go truly bad, we can always take a few steps back
'2.13.5 sucks soo badly mostly since linus got addicted to heroin? we're bout to start a fork back at 2.9.3 where it was still descent' and we can do this! do you think we're ever going to be able to fork windows 95?
and most importantly, don't let yourself be beaten down to far, after all, what is more impressive, a bunch of broke MS developers who are fighting over the few thousand jobs available (all at microsoft)...or a linux user with all sorts of cool and unthought of applications that will only occur to us in the next decade or two? of course there isn't really such a black and white comparison here but the spectrum of choice...but we have nothing to fear. we have the upper hand, and it's going to stay this way for the near future, at least.
that i would be taking anything from cnn. they aren't a news source, they are a propeganda factory. if all PHB's read is cnn/Times then they are going to be clueless and ignorant, period. there is no length the oss community can go to to make your record clean when they wish to slander you.
and i appear to have been misinformed myself. i thought they were 'demands' as in 'if these demands are met we will stop killing your people on sight' where in reality, the wording of the 'fatwa' released by mr. bin laden appears to just say 'they are evil, they have wronged us, our blood is on their hands, kill them all' and that there is a movement to use america as a catalyst to jumpstart the creation of the new islamist state. american's are now a permanent fixture in the sights of declared enemies. fascinating.
anyways, i really don't think that any of al-qaeda's plans are that deep...but it doesn't seem like anything other than ancient greek dialectic would be needed to presuppose for it...so...i'll remain undecided on this.
yay religious fueled funedmentalist whacko's, eh?
on the good side, as a composer, i think the real fun has just begun.
and honestly, who didn't think that programers aren't going to be the studio musicians of this century?
hell i think before 2099 we are going to see programs that write their own software that makes music, in a manner described above. of course, that would be owned by the RIAA. which is sad.
is the same in the two cases
a) the blood has allready been spilt in isreal/palistine/afghanistan/iraq/.../and to a lesser extent panema/cuba and a whole pile of other nations that are not conerned with this conflict directly
b) the blood has allready been spilt due to the patriot act.
there is now going to be a massive backlash, if it takes five, ten, or a thousand years against the american empire as it stands (and *hopefully*(but i wouldn't count on it) the multinationals that make up it's backbone). people around the world, are pissed off. their sons have been murderred, women raped, villages bombed and children limbless from american laid Motorola Land Mines(tm). tens if not hundreds of thousands have died or will die of thirst and hunger due to american wars. people just don't forget these things. osama bin laden may be out of the picture but the people who he trained are not all gone... and so long as there is one fanatical person left and widespread resentement to support them there will be a revolt/strike against america.
this is why lesser developed nations and fanatical islam is now imposible to turn away from their bloodlust against america at this point, and due to the sheer number of them out there, and the tendancy to turn moderate islam (due to local wars) is going to pose an infinite supply of bodies to throw from their cause at america.
this alone, however should not piss off rational, developed nations and their people. i have no idea what isreal is doing or what nation they just recently attacked(not palistine). why? because it doesn't affect me *today* and i think a lot of people in first world nations feel similar to this. but between the patriot act and some of the other actions(specifically using unilateral force against united nations decree, but there's a long list) similarily, the united states government has pissed off the rational, democratic world. by promoting torture, and radically conservativism backed by corporate money, they isolate themselves from the people elsewhere. which hell, may not be a bad thing. why does america need support from any other nation? they can take on the entire muslim world(Because they have not yet learned to seperate the dangerous sections from the moderate) and not have any sort of reprocussions, after all, right?
i had the exact same opinion as you did (that allowing the terrorists to radically change the freedom-loving united states into a police-regieme would mean that they had in a sense 'won') but this is an unimformed opinion. Al-Quaeda does not wish to turn the united states into a police state, or take away your freedom. they wish to kill you. there's a slight difference here. There are what, three demands right? 1. get israel out of palistine 2. get american troops out of saudi arabia. 3. i can't remember the third item.
1) isreal is still screwing around in palestine. 2) afaik american troops are still in saudi arabia(although there's talk in conservative circles of nuking/going to war with saudi arabia) 3) i'm pretty sure they havn't accomplished #3 even though i can't particularily remember it. so what have the terrorists accomplished? nothing! fuckall! they accomplished pissing off roughly half of all americans to the point where using tactical nuclear weapons on nations that even harbour terrorists (despite declared neutrality) is on the radar...
and iirc due to the radical islam puritainism that these specific terrorists (al-qaeda and allies) follow they are going to try to kill jews and americans, period. do not collect 200$ do not pass go. just fucking die, you corrupt american satan spawn.
the type of regeime that these people want to see may be more like the type of regeime that the united states is falling into (fascism) but this is by no means their intent or goal. mabye the united states, in their perfect world would be a police state fascistic nation, after it has been completely demolished and built up as a holy massive shrine of the accomplishment of god's true chosen people(ie overthrowing the great american evil).
know the best part? there's absolutely nothing you can do, beyond pissing people off, due to the dynamic nature of the conflict, and the interdependancy of all nations in the globalist world. i personally don't think that i, as a canadian living nearby the US border that i'm going to die of nuclear attack, but biological/chemical isn't out of the question as a 'leading potential cause of death'. (/ranting)
and to keep on topic? i can only hope that the canadian government takes a hint from this and begins to repeal some of the godawful nasty law they have put into effect here(which if i recall, is much more dangerous and threatening than the american patriot acts were, considering, and more permenent considering our lack of specific constitutional protection,..unless i'm mistaken on this. hrm. it has been awhile since i read the constitutional documents of this nation. anyways...)
no my mother called me 'Jeffrey Daniel' [Cliff], my peers in the music feild baptized me [prophet] themusicgod1.
i'd hate to see the people get drawn & quarterred under antiterrorist laws. even though technically this probably qualifies even under my definition.
"the fact that something like this makes ANYONE who is anti-SCO look bad"
sir this is not a fact. and furthermore i wish people would quit using this "what i say is a fact" unless they have some grounding in consensus or at least *something* substantial. hell i may be very well misguided or wrong in anything i say, but so may you and it is misleading to any rational discourse to claim something as fact like this.
anyways it would be just as illogical to hold all muslims as bad because a couple of members of an extremist anti-american cell of an anti-american cult of an extremist version of islam and their actions. it is to small a sample size. it is to small a portion of the community to represent you all.
as for myself i'm a member of a subset that's been radical in this respect for quite some time and really i can't claim that i don't support these guys.
if you think seriously this could be a PR disaster for the OSS community and linux, you should go around preaching how we should STFU and let the events turn out as they may, basically ignoring and not praising or even debating the actions of the extremist cell involved. after all, darl called this upon himself, and it just seems to follow from pissing people off that this is going to happen. offer assistance, perhaps even(our linux server cluster will help you avoid this problem, etc) and suggest others to do the same. but hold this event as 'part of nature' and as completely unimportant (companies are ddos'ed every day, why is SCO important?)
if they cannot speak?
agentsmth()dDoS(Sco);
seriously though, i commend these people, whoever they are. don't forget, this isn't just about linux, this is about the integrity of the GPL, corporate power, the use and abuse of [patent &] copyright law, and many slanderous attacks, and probably a few things i can't think of at the moment. the open source community is more important than linux, and the spirit of community itself and the wellbeing of it's members(upheld by a union of closed and open source interests) is more important than the open source community...and microsoft definitely threatens this, and they are using SCO as a proxy means to this end. not to mention the PR damage allready done by 'playing fair' and letting darl and crew get away with the hell they have been.
SCO is playing dirty, and they started playing dirty. what did they expect? and really, this is just inevidible concerning for-profit unions of people as a whole... and this is an attack on them, believe me...therefor it is a just attack, and we should celebrate it. personally, i've been waiting for this day for quite some time.
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