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Recycle some of your 100 million Pepsi Songs
grub writes "If you're one of the people that wins a free download from Apple's iTunes during the upcoming 100 million song giveaway from Pepsi, then check out Tune Recycler. They say: "With the Tune Recycler, you can send us your unwanted iTunes bottlecap codes and we'll use them to support independent music. Easy for you, and good for musicians" Sounds like a great idea for payments that may otherwise be tossed in the trash."
Even the Tune Recycler site admits that Pepsi and Apple are expecting that a majority of the "winning" bottlecaps are going to be ignored and unclaimed. If this kind of site encurages more returns than antisipated, might this prevent there from being a repeat of this promotion in the future?
How long before extra itunes codes wind up on ebay in lots? Will that be an appropriate thing to sell?
Odd this happens just after Coke makes its music store in the UK
...to support the national mail service?!
I don't think this campaign of theirs will work out. If only %10-%20 percent of people are going to redeem their caps on iTunes, even less are going to go through the hassle of mailing bottlecaps to someone. I bet they'll get maybe 1000 caps.
As for me, im going to the store to see if they started the iTunes promotion, and if they have, I will be buying a few cases of Pepsi.
Who's picking which songs will be downloaded with the turned-in codes? How do we not know that this isn't being set up by a group of artists who want to boost their own sales? Is there any way for additional artists to sign up to get a cut of this money?
It looks like this promotion is limited to Pepsi, Diet Pepsi and Sierra Mist, none of which interest me. Wither Mountain Dew? Are they intentionally slighting geeks?
Schnapple
A post on Downhill Battle says they need help automating the redemption. Applescript, anyone? Something else?
Free Speech, Free Software, Free Culture
"When you submit a winning Pepsi code to the Tune Recycler, we'll redeem it for music from honest, independent labels."
Just because a label is independent doesn't make them honest. There are shady businesses everywhere.
well, not without some sort of gimmick. not that i'm against small bands actually getting a share of the spoils here, but aren't they the type of artists that should be supported in the first place?
-knowles
1. Collect bottle tops 2. ??? 3. Profit Seriously, how does one get money for this? Do they pay artists in bottle tops instead of peanuts now? also whats wrong with normal bottle tops, if the unwinning ones have some value why don't we recycle bottle tops anyway?
Jonathanjk.com
" Which Musicians are Getting the Money?
Every week or so, we'll be choosing a few independent artists and a particular album of theirs which we will repeatedly purchase using the donated codes. If we buy enough copies of a single album, we might even be able to move it up the iTunes charts-- it's not too hard these days. All the artists will be from independent labels with reputations for treating artists fairly.
How do I know you guys aren't just going to buy music for yourself?
Well, we run the music activism project Downhill Battle, which is working to bring positive change to the music industry. A central theme of our site is that it's simply unethical to purchase major label music. So clearly, if we wanted free major label music, we'd just take it. Furthermore, since iTunes is essentially a voluntary contribution system (you're paying for something that you could get for free), there's just no incentive to scam people out of bottlecaps. We're just trying to make it easier for people to do something good with their caps instead of throwing them away."
Holy Shit, Batman! Score another one for the "can load the page before hitting reply button" team!
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...for me to use my Pepsi caps to choke dolphins. Damn wannabe smart fish are just waiting for the big takeover and anything you can to thin the herd and prevent overlord status would be helpful.
Their machine would be pretty impressive to me if there weren't other types of artists out there in much greater need. I mean, you can't swing a friggin' cat without hitting some longhair with a guitar. But a painter, sculptor etc? Have fun trying to "get paid" for that.
Cheers. :)
"Empathise with stupidity, and you're halfway to thinking like an idiot." - Iain M. Banks
The domain of tunerecycler.com is not recycled to Apple. How do we know that this guy isn't trying to make a quick buck?
See the WHOIS
Why does this group want the codes given to them?
Wouldn't a better plan be to link to some of the better indie artists on the service and tell people to download their songs, therefore allowing people to actually listen to the music their code purchased?
and i dont mean the site asking for caps. The interesting bit it that this will be announced in a big commercial during the superbowl later today that will proclaim that you can legally download free music. i get the impression that this will appeal to alot of people. i hope that it is a huge success .. i know iwill buy pepsi instead of coke simple becasue of the offer :) .. i think thw best thing to do is get a song and give to 2 friends as well that way you have 1/3 odds and 3 people :)
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See, when I first heard about this, I assumed that it was going to be a specific number of free songs. Like 3-5 predetermined songs that Pepsi has been asked to promote by the record companies...
Maybe that's not the case, which makes the whole proposition seem a little crazy. This could massively increase the iTunes userbase, but it could also just be a huge drain on bandwidth.
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In Soviet Russia, bottle caps collect you!
What about the health nuts like me that don't take in any caffeine/carbonated drinks? Where do I win in this situation? *sulk*
And the day came when the risk to remain closed in a bud, became more painful than the risk it took to blossom.
I would feel a lot better about this if there was some public accountability from Tunerecycler. Do we get statements? A redemption receipt? Summaries at the end? Anything?
As an independent musician, I find it odd that they have never responded to an email asking for more info from an artist's POV - especially when asking for clarification on their stance on iTunes downloads. Silence can often speak volumes.
If this was simply a list of all the bands and labels at the iTunes store (with proper documentation) that you SHOULD support by redeeming the caps yourself, I would be all for it. But there are enough holes here (and enough errors in the so-called label "tree") that I wouldnt touch this thing with a 3 metre pole.
Have fun. Listen to music. But dont get sucked in.
(DISCLAIMER: The band I am in offers ALL of our CDs for free on our web site, all the time. iTunes wouldn't touch us if we were the last band on earth. Whether or not you use the caps, recycle them, or paste them on a squirrel, makes no matter to us.)
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I think a better approach would be if all slashdot readers (or tunecycler advocates) would get indie music. tunecycler could list a new artist or song to check out every couple days, and pepsi-guzzling geeks could get a free song. That would put money in the indie artist's pocket and expose more people to their music, something their approach doesn't do.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
TuneRecycler used the word "Super Bowl" on their site. *gasp*
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I'd tell you, but I'm not exactly hot.
Let me see if I get this straight: 1. Buy Pepsi 2. Send in caps 3. ??? 4. Profit!
Apple's Official Rules for the promotion state that the, "Maximum number of valid Codes per email address/person that can be entered at the Web Site is 10 per day and 200 total throughout the Promotion Period." I wonder how these guys are going to get around that?
I wonder what their opinion of iTunes is? And be honest.
"And a voice was screaming: 'Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?'" - HST
yeah... I'll give away my stuff.
Hmmm, sounds familiar. This is actually from a real Nazi children's book, ain't it?
What kind of codes are Pepsi and Apple using in the bottle caps. Are the codes following some pattern or are they using random numbers?? If they follow a pattern and it is true that only 10% of all codes are used, one could just boost his favorite independant artist, during the last day of the promotion and no one would notice (except pepsi that is) provided you found the algorithm, ofcourse.
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The problem is that Downhill Battle is, first of all, providing this service for people who have not installed or cannot install iTunes (such as Linux users). Secondly, they don't think that iTunes is a good idea, and they'd rather that people didn't use it at all. See their site iTunes is bogus.
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The site given links to RIAA Radar, a site that tells the relative connection between an artist and the RIAA. A better solution would be to go to that site and discover some new, independent music for yourself. That's actually what they tell people to do if you already use iTunes... they just want the caps if you don't want to bother downloading Apple's program.
This sounds an awful lot like that old skit from In Living Color, "The you-can-make-me-rich!" blank cassette tape limited time offer.
Use them yourself and buy the independent music that's available from iTunes? That way, you're helping to support the independent artist, AND you're opening up yourself to new music!
Don't download that song you've heard a million times on the radio or something like that. Explore the musical frontiers...even if they're not that good, you'll never know unless you look. And you may find a gem.
If you DO find a gem of a song out there, you've "won" again in addition to the free download itself!
Just a thought.
"Music is everybody's possession. It's only publishers who think that people own it." - John Lennon.
is the Cowboy Junkies who dumped the majors after being shit on one too many times. They now operate their own label and are not part of the RIAA. Check out their work if you like folk/country/blues flavored music.
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I was at the local convenience store and saw a bunch of these pepsi-iTMS giveaway bottles in the rack. That must mean that Apple is FINALLY going to open up iTMS to the canadian market, since there would be zero point in selling those bottles here in Canada otherwise.
According to the rules of the program:
"Q: How many codes can I enter?
A: You can enter up to ten unique codes per day, not to exceed 200 unique codes over the duration of the Pepsi iTunes Music Promotion."
These people may encounter a problem with this rule.
Being a loyal Slashdot reader, I of course posted before RTFA in which it states:
I use iTunes, so why should I send you my bottlecap code?
You shouldn't! If you use the iTunes Music Store, we don't want the cap, you should redeem it yourself. However, we would strongly encourage you to use the cap to buy music that's not from one of the 5 major labels. The website RIAA Radar can help you figure out if music that you're thinking of buying is put out by a member of the RIAA. Use the tree to see what labels are just major label fronts.
This is what I'm going to try to do.
"Music is everybody's possession. It's only publishers who think that people own it." - John Lennon.
I guess it should be pointed out that iTunes has made a deal with CD Baby through which artists who are not signed to one of the Big 5 congloms can get their music on iTunes.
http://www.cdbaby.com/about?cdbaby
I am not affiliated with either Apple or CD Baby, nor do I know where to get more information concerning this deal. But you all know how to use Google, right?
At the very beginning they claim the service and the software will cost you more than the Pepsi proving they're either ignorant or dishonest. Then all the way through the article they make it obvious that for whatever reason they have a corn cob up their rear ends about iTunes.
If you want to support independents, then fer cryin' out loud, go out and buy their CDs, records, tapes, and online music. And especially support local live music---you won't regret it. Don't turn to these really strange self appointed messiahs. If you don't want major record companies to dictate what you should listen to, why would you want anyone else to either?
Just wait until you see the commercial that the RIAA has praised.
The one featuring the little girl who was sued by the RIAA.
gads.
The problem is that the largest difficulty in getting a consumer to redeem the bottle cap certificate is having them remember not to throw it away, and instead bring it home and type it into the computer.
This recycling idea counts on people bringing home their caps but NOT redeeming them. I'm really not quite sure why anyone would want to do that. I certainly have a whole bunch of music I'd be more than happy to get for free one way or another, some of which includes independent albums.
Why can't they simply encourage people to buy music from indy groups, instead of essentially throwing the money away on licensed files that no one's ever going to listen to?
It's one thing to have big sales on iTunes, but if no one's ACTUALLY LISTENING to the music, what point does it serve?
It takes the same amount of effort to send them the winning codes than to get the songs. So why should I send it to them?
I would support independent music by downloading the ones I like myself. But otherwise I could careless!
I don't believe the crap about people downloading music because mainstream music isn't that good. People do it because they can, not because of some moral qualm!
The same with OSS. Most people don't use Linux because they can see the code. It's free and it's like Unix that is why they take it.
Fuck everybody
Just sitting on your hands and whinning about something when you can quickly find out & decide for yourself is silly. I'll humour you for a couple more clicks, though...
WhatACrappyPresent is their creation, and they've been in the news a whole bunch. You can even call Nicholas, one of the creators of the site, at home via the whois info. I'm sure he'll be happy to answer your questions.
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One of the artists highlighted on their site.
With my own iTunes acount. (don't drink soft drinks anyway).
One track claims to be 45 minutes which is a pretty good deal for my $0.99.
At least one good thing came outta this.
>Recycle some of your 100 million Pepsi Songs
Can I recycle the "Always Coca Cola" jingle? It was cool at first (especially the Xmas version), but drives you insane after a while.
Yibble.
An easier solution would be to publish a list of songs (or links to them) from "honest, independent labels" and let people purchase them on their own. It would save them money on gathering the codes and may expose people to new music.
Just a thought...
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honeslty, tune recylcer is being stupid. i for one will not give them my bottle caps and im wondering if anyone else will i mean there is good music that i want that i can get off of itunes and by golly is anyone really going to give them their bottlecaps?
why not just give them to someone you know rather than mailing them something, hell just go and buy some "open source zealot musicians" cd if its that big of a deal, but if you give them to tune recycler your almost wasting it in my opinion the artitsts only get 50 cents so send them a check and save yourself a stamp or some effort sending them an e-mail.
hmm we could sign with a non-evil label and get lots of money back, or we could sign on a evil label get promoted better possibly make less money per cd, but sell more of them and make more money from volume
i mean honestly sharing music is illegal if you are violating the copyright and whatnot. I dont give a crap about the RIAA being evil except i wish cd's were cheaper, but now i have itunes, im happy to pay for a good cd, but when i only want one song itunes is a much better deal. if music was open source we wouldnt have good music. because people wouldnt be very inspired to make music, they would like to go and make money in a real job, and you guys wouldnt support it and you know it. if you got it for free, for most of you freeloaders you wouldnt give anything back. how many people who use linux give things back willingly, i honestly have not given one distribution one cent so condemn me to hell. honestly, would we start open source music labs or something? The RIAA is definatley in it for themselves but its almost a neccesary evil.
Just another nail in the coffin of recording artists. These guys aren't trying to help anyone but themselves and a few specific bands. Meanwhile recording artists are freezing out in the streets. Think about that while you're sitting around the TV chugging beer and listening to your pirated MP3's during the Superbowl you smug fucks.
Sorry, but my gut instinct says it is.
The same group also promotes putting stickers on merchandice in stores. Without authorization from the store owner. That's vandalism (and not very bright that you can whois their domain and get their address).
People who endorse and encourage illegal activities normally aren't very reputable.
I'd be very cautious.
If you like the idea... why not just buy an an independant song off of iTunes yourself? That way your "recycling" yourself. And you know it will happen.
Sorry, I just don't believe criminals.
I don't have time to go into detail, but I'd recommend reversing the order for best results. Good luck.
What is this shit?
indie outsourcing. *har-har*
If the idea is to negative the whole iTunes/Pepsi thing, then the call to action should be about a protest to _not_ cash back any tunes. This way, both Pepsi and iTunes find it to be a failed advertising exercise and it can only help the competition of other services.
I wonder what their ebay sellers id is?
In the long run, I think Pepsi probably assumed that 20% at least of these winning bottle caps would be thrown out and as such they would have to pay less in the long run. They probably have a sweet deal with Apple pushing around $0.20 a song so would have been $20 million dollars at full value. 20% savings on that ($4mill) would have been worth it considering the advertising value is the same regardless of the number of redemptions.
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If that little girl had violated the GPL, Linux hippies would be on her like a blanket.
I am getting really sick of sloppy, idiotic journalists who absolutely insist on referring to those whom the RIAA has sued as "music downloaders," and the USA Today article is a prime example of this complete stupidity.
AFAIK, in absolutely not one single solitary incident has the RIAA sued anyone for downloading music files. They have only ever sued people for sharing music files in excess of a certain number, and even then only if the person is sharing a lot of popular, contemporary music.
Admittedly, those who are sharing files are more than likely downloading them as well, but that is not why they've been sued.
These journalists appear to be utterly incapable of doing even the most basic homework on this issue. One journalist mistakenly writes "The RIAA is suing people for downloading music" and every other journalist, rather than double-checking to see what exactly the lawsuits are about, just parrots what the first journalist wrote. It makes me ill. Thanks to the ever-shoddier American news media, people out there think that downloading "The Log Driver's Waltz" from Gnutella is going to result in uniformed officers kicking their door in moments later, which, at the moment, is simply not true.
As we all know, the RIAA is a massive misinformation machine, and now Pepsi and Apple are jumping in and lending a hand in distributing the RIAA's "We're suing everyone" propaganda. The truth is quite different, but I doubt that more than a handful of Superbowl watchers is going to jump online to ferret out the real story.
The promotion itself sounds like an effective one, and I'm sure it'll bring people to the ITMS in droves, but we really can do without the lies.
You are in error. No-one is screaming. Thank you for your cooperation.
Why was this modded up? The site never claims any affiliation with Apple and even criticizes iTunes a bit. They're a group who wants to support artists on independent lables, not specifically Apple. Please read the article before moderating (or commenting, but I guess that's too much to ask).
1) Request Pespi Codes from Internet Users
2) Use statically analysis
3) Write script to generate codes
4) Download songs for free from iTunes
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Since I use Linux I can't use iTunes, so a winning bottlecap would be of no use to me. I don't really drink Pepsi much, but if I happened to get a bottlecap I might consider sending it to them since I wouldn't be able to use it myself.
Since I actually listen primarily to independent music I prefer the eMusic store, which thankfully runs on Linux. So, I'll keep on supporting independent bands with the music I buy through other means, and maybe give them a little extra support that I wouldn't have otherwise been able to redeem.
Go find a live human to give your free itunes vouchers.
They're guilty of the same thing the cable ISPs are: incorrect assumption.
Pepsi is assuming that not all of their winning caps will be redeemed, just like the cable companies assumed they could oversell their bandwidth. They're both wrong.
...a soft drinks manufacturer wants to sell more tooth rotting, stomach eating, fizzy flavoured water than another soft drinks manufacturer.
Gentoo Linux - another day, another USE flag.
For those who are being persuaded by the troll, here's a repost of a comment:
"I use iTunes, so why should I send you my bottlecap code?
You shouldn't! If you use the iTunes Music Store, we don't want the cap, you should redeem it yourself. However, we would strongly encourage you to use the cap to buy music that's not from one of the 5 major labels. The website RIAA Radar can help you figure out if music that you're thinking of buying is put out by a member of the RIAA. Use the tree to see what labels are just major label fronts."
Ergo, if you use iTunes, they WANT YOU TO USE THE CAP YOURSELF! (preferably to support Independent music) It is only when the cap is of no use to you (i.e., you don't want to install iTunes, iTunes doesn't run on Linux, etc, etc), that you donate the code to them, for it is better than throwing it away.
I'm hoping that people are going to use my site to find new bands to buy with their free songs. Not in the mood to download more Radiohead? Click on Radiohead on Musicmobs and find a more independent artist that people that like Radiohead also like. Of course, there's no guarantee that what you are looking for will be in the iTunes store.
Why don't you sloppy, out-of-shape computer geeks drink water instead? You fat fucks drink too much damn soda as it is, and all of us will be paying for it in 20 years when you old, bloated has-beens are all wheezing in the hospital.
Better would be a service that would allow you to use your pepsi/itunes redemption code to get a non-riaa song in ogg or mp3 format. The service would go get the itune, convert, and make available. It could be largely automated.
I suspect there are some that would happily buy you all that stuff if you let them 'dive' in your trash-can :)
You can only enter 10 codes per day and a maximum of 200 during the whole contest....If they actually think this will become popular they will need a lot of people to redeem these songs.
Good God man, do you really expect to drink a minimum 600 ounces (30 bottles @ 20 oz) every day for 20 days?
Maybe they should set up 802.11g for you at the hospital, just in case.
Look at how many geeks go dumpster diving for old computers and hardware that companies are throwing away.
It's not glamorous, but recycling other peoples' castoff computers into something useful is to be admired.
Before you scoff, consider this: If you were driving down your street and saw a computer peeking out of someone's trash container, would you stop and check it out? C'mon... admit it... you'd at least think about it.
Even if a man chops off your hand with a sword, you still have two nice, sharp bones to stick in his eyes.
No, I was talking about the people who want all of the codes for the promotion.
With any kind of promotion like this, they are expecting only a certain percentage of people to actually bother to redeem the botttle caps - if 10% redeem them, they only have to pay royalties for 10% of the songs in the give away. Now, more bottle caps will be redeemed then they counted on - this could end up being a very high price tag for Pepsi!
The question is perfectly valid and sensical.
iTunes is evil or it's not, make up your damn mind!
and let me buy whatever music I damn well please. Sheesh.
_/\ - Sturgeon's Law: 90% of everything is crud.
I don't like the independent music they support? What if they sign with a major label, because the moved them up on the iTunes chart? Do I get a refund?
they technically have a cash value of 1/20 cents,/I>
I don't understand. What does this mean exactly?
Is there some scenario where I can collect 20 of these and be paid 1 cent for them by someone?
Write a grant proposal. It's very difficult for musicians who create what might be deemed "popular" music to get grants. But grants are widely available for many of the other artistic disciplines (especially if you are well connected, and do something really worthwhile, like shove a yam up your butt onstage ala Karen Finley.)
Yeah, OK, this is somewhat off-topic, but I'd like to know: does anybody know if iTMS will ever get to Canada? As of now, all online music buying services in Canada suck, and besides I prefer Apple's DRM to Microsoft's.
What if we swapped files?
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Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
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And only gay people use Apple/iTunes. Real geeks use Linux!
iTunes provides nothing of value to me. Considered my bottlecaps forwarded.
Corporations: your universal scapegoat for all society's ills.
Heck, I'd rather see Karen Finley ram a yam up her butt than listen to most of the music out there!
mmmmmm, do you like PJ to 'tip' you, or do prefer Duncan?
From the Official Rules, (http://www.apple.com/itunes/pepsi/rules.html)t says "NO TRANSFER OF PRIZE TO A THIRD PARTY IS PERMITTED..."
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I wonder if Pepsi Legal will be cracking down on this 'service'. I fail to see how a codes origin could be proven or tracked though. The rules also state no more than 200 songs can be claimed by the same email address / registered user.
Let's see what develops...
8. GENERAL CONDITIONS: No substitution of prize is offered, no transfer of prize to a third party permitted and non-cash prizes are not redeemable for cash value. In the event that winner is not capable of downloading Song Prize for any reason, then neither Sponsor nor any of the Promotion Parties shall be obligated to award any prize. Prize recipients are responsible for all applicable federal, state, and local taxes, if any, on prize. All participants agree to be bound by the Official Rules and decisions of Sponsor and its authorized judging agencies (the "Judges"). Non-compliance with these Official Rules will result in disqualification. You are not a winner until your Code has been submitted and verified in accordance with these Official Rules, and you have fully complied with these Official Rules.
Independent artists who sell on iTMS get a pretty good chunk, depending on distributor. CDBaby gets 59 cents of each download just like the RIAA labels, but unlike the RIAA labels they only keep 10% giving the artists 53 cents per song, or $5.29 per album (which is more than most of the artists get for selling the actual CD).
Some distributors do get it, and I hope that downhillbattle let people know which distributors those are.
What, did they mine raw hydrogen and oxygen from the atmosphere and catalyse the reaction themselves?
I'm so tempted to assume you mean the Apple product, so my response can be:
"What, you mean like TextEdit?
I'd have taken you for a Snapple drinker.
Pepsi is pretty awful.
Coke cna be pretty good, but only out of a fountain, and even then most blow it.
Believe it or not, McDonalds has the best Coke fountain. If Coca-Cola is dipensed properly, it will actually "burn" the first few sips from the CO2
Its the wake-up of the day.
This scheme sounds like it's in violation of the intent, if not the letter of the rules.
But seriously, if you care about independent music, just by from some of the thousand labels out there.. but don't give away your codes in some stupid moral effort. I guarantee you can make better use of the free music than they can.. if the "recyclers" even have benevolent intents.
i live in a Coke campus here in canada:( worst part is the machines eat half the money put into them without spitting anything out in return(sure, 1$/drink sounds like a 'good deal' until you realize you end up paying either 2$ for a drink or 1$ for nothing :p). i'd say fuck cocacola but i'm afraid my tuition may increase:/
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DownhillBattle's idea demonstrates that Pepsi has no way to verify that you really bought the bottlecap in question---just that you have a valid code.
How many valid codes could there be (answer: to a computer, not many). Somebody write a script to try all possible codes and make some random independent artist rich! (And Pepsi hurt...)
Couln't they have run this scheme in England... *looks around at the 1000's of empty pepsi bottles strewn around his geek domain* oh well soon at least I'll have enough tops to tile the bathroom with them.
Many die-hard /.rs that don't drink the Dew will hit their quotas in only a week or two...that may get some bad karma for pepsi!!!
I'd generate keys randomly, and cross each one off the list when it was used. Algorithm-based keys are only useful when there's no guaranteed communication with a central server.
I've already cashed in two codes for some tunes. Considering I spent about a zillion dollars already on Itunes shibby, 2 freebies doesn't cut down the credit card bill.
Maybe I should start up a website to support my Itunes habit....
It really isn't that hard to create HTML that is viewable in all browsers. Why do so many people have so much trouble creating it?
Q: How many codes can I enter?
.72 for mine... it might take longer, but its not a 1 in 3 chance, when purchasing a 1.50 drink.
A: You can enter up to ten unique codes per day, not to exceed 200 unique codes over the duration of the Pepsi iTunes Music Promotion.
Personally, I am thinking about sending in 200 SASE's worth
moo.
I agree. Download the indi music yourself. These guys made up a giant BS excuse in order to get free music :/
Apple is a fairly big supporter of indi music. The've been reaching out to a number of smaller labels lately; unlike with record stores, you can preview underground and indi music; AND, you can even submit demos to Apple if you think you're good enough.
Apple only has about half a million songs right now.... nevertheless, seeing as how the ENTIRE NinjaTune catalog is on the iTMS, I doubt we need to worry about smaller labels being supported. I don't need to give my free music these a**holes. I can download Amon Tobin myself >:|
These buttheads should be giving collected bottle caps away to charity. Shess.
"Things are more moderner than before- bigger, and yet smaller- it's computers-- San Dimas High School football RULES!"
Becuase they use frontpage, dreamweaver, or are just plain lazy. Or they just don't know that some browsers exist.
--- Nothing is secure.
Sounds like a great way to make mediocre artists feel like they still have a shot at making a living.
If you thin it' sworth buying for 99 cents, then you will buy it. Period.
"Politicians find new names for institutions which under old names have become odious to the people."
ITS TIED to your IDE hard drive ID you idiots!
Only 200 can be associated PER macintosh.
This is a fact. There is no way around this. The IDE hard drive id is read by the OS and passed to the security layer in a semi-secure way. Then the Ethernet MAC address is hashed in and a few other things.
Their plan will fail.
"so winning a single song means you won a chance to spend 20 minutes downloading, installing, and signing up for a music service that will cost a lot more than your Pepsi habit."
Personal responsibility means that said downloaders can use the iTunes Music Store, or not use it, depending on their desires. It's not as if there's an obligation to keep using the software. Let people think for themselves!
Likewise:"When you use the Tune Recycler, you know that no money is going to support price fixing, payola, or lawsuits against families with children"
Blunders aside, the lawsuits largely target folks who are the "whales" of music file sharing; i.e. making thousands of songs available for download. Again, here's where personal responsibility comes in -- if you minimize the risk of being sued, don't share thousands of copyrighted music files without permission. Whether you have a family or not makes absolutely no difference. Your liability to be sued is unchanged whether you live alone, have a family, you're living in somebody's basement, or you live with a pack of rhesus monkeys. Again, it's taking responsibility for one's own actions that's the key. It's a good concept that dowhhillbattle.org does not appear to have sufficient faith in.
Sitting in my day care, the art is decopainted.
I'm a coke drinker, and have no desire to drink pepsi just to download music. However I have friends that drink pepsi, and aren't connected to the internet, or at the very least don't have, use, or want to use iTunes. I've got these people saving caps for me, and collecting caps from their friends for me. On a slightly off topic note, iTunes has a very small (don't laugh) selection of hawaiian music. I ran a search there once, and all that came up was some soundtrack from an old show. Pretty sad really, when there is plenty of awesome hawaiian music out there. My emails to apple have gone unheeded so maybe the slashdot crowd could help out and send off an email politely asking itunes to stock some hawaiian artists. Pretty please? Hawaiian music is hard to find, check your local music store and see how many titles you find. Some great listening to be had. (I am not a hawaiian musician nor do I have any affiliation with any hawaiian music labels, artists, or distributors. Just a fan of the music, living in Indiana with no real way to pick it up.) Aloha :)
First off, I find this whole Pepsi promotion to be ridiculous; almost as ridiculous as Pepsi's "Billion Dollar Giveaway" from last year. Pepsi believes they only will have 10 to 20 million songs redeemed. Then if you read the rules, a single user is limited legally to 200 downloads, and only 10 can be registered per day. Pepsi's limitations are designed to reduce the amount of songs redeemed. Then you have the fact that Joe Blow has to already have iTunes installed on their computer or download it. If you'll notice at the locations that sell Pepsi, you won't find any CD's that you can pick up that has iTunes already loaded, unlike say if AOL ran the promotion.
Next, you have the Tune Recycler campaign. They want people to "recyle" those iTunes caps. Great idea. I myself wanted to do such a thing online before I read about the 200 download cap on the Rules page this morning. So this group will not be able to download en masse, otherwise Pepsi will cut them off. That means they'll parcel the collected entries between various members of their group. They might claim altruistic reasons, but the simple matter-of-fact is that the downloaded files will be on someone's hard drive and therefore it becomes their "property" even under the DRM limitations. So which songs will these people download?
If Tune Recyler was really serious about their campaign, they'd ask that you input your email address for each of the bottle cap numbers you donate to them, and then put it to a vote of their users as to which songs from which artists they should purchase as well as the volume, all based upon voting. But they don't do that now, do they? Sorry, that's not appealing to me.
The Tune Recycler group then goes on about how bad the iTunes Music Store is since it works with the RIAA. Fine. But they also fail to realize that if iTunes becomes really successful, that will tempt bands to dump their labels and deal directly with Apple, cutting out the middle-man. That will be the end of pre-recorded CDs being sold in retail channels. And I expect that the first major band to do such a thing will be Duran Duran with their much publicized reunion album almost complete and the band yet to re-sign with any of the RIAA labels yet. (And no, I'm not counting Annie DeFranco in this equation either) The simple fact is Tune Recycler cannot see what is plainly in sight on the near horizon with their protest mentality.
And yes, you can only play those AAC files on an iPod. How monopolistic of Apple, I'm sure the Tune Recycler folk will say. But of course with Apple's rather lightweight DRM implementation, you can take those AAC files, burn them in CD format, and then turn them into MP3s or OGGs or whatever else you want. The only other commercial choices support Microsoft's tin-can-sounding WMA format, which is NOT a standard no matter how much money Microsoft throws into PR to claim that it is. So if Tune Recycler wishes to view the world in good and evil terms, you have Apple on one end and Microsoft on the other. Which will you choose?
I'd like to end this posting with stating that I want to see our online community really stick it to Pepsi and claim as many of these bottle caps as possible. We have until March 31st to claim the downloads, so let's get to work.
p.s. The Lynxpro does not work for the RIAA, Apple, or PepsiCo. He actually favours Coke and thinks CokeMusic.com is pretty slick although he abhors their embrace of WMA...
p.p.s. The Lynxpro also thinks Tune Recyler is naive in thinking Pepsi is actually paying Apple 99 cents for each claimed download. In all probability, Pepsi is paying the fee sans the percentage of the cost Apple has built-in to pay the credit card companies for the micropayments. Apple might also be waiving their profit markup as well, so in all actuality, Pepsi is probably paying less than 88 cents per redeemed download...
"Right now, somewhere in this world, Scott Baio is plowing a woman he doesn't love," - Peter Griffin, *Family Guy*
or know somebody who does .. this is not for you!
Why is that so hard to understand?
If you have a computer at all, this is not for you.
This is like the sign in the bus:
"no dogs allowed. Seeing eye dogs excepted"
"without spitting anything out in return"
COMPLAIN.
Either to the person refilling the machine or by mail (maybe also e-mail or phone?) to local or corporate headquarters.
age 17 newly arrived at U phone ate $ - got $ back after COMPLAINT.
age 30ish in nyny tall bld - machine HALF the time fails to gimme what I can plainly see its got behind the glass - refill man gives me cash for any amt I COMPLAIN about so long as I sign for it.
Nice to see capitalism giving us more options to us, lucky consumers.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
Slightly off topic- but you may notice the hip-hop artist Jean Grae featured on the site. I very seriously encourage everyone to check her music out; I know X-Men heads may find the name blasphemous, but if any rapper deserves to hold such a moniker she does. Intelligent and witty, she shows that a female rapper can actually entertain through skills and thought, rather than through "wardrobe malfunctions," and the like. Let's buy some cats http://jrm4.com
From the Official Rules:
No Purchase Necessary. To receive one free game piece and a copy of Official Rules, while supplies last, send a self-addressed, stamped envelope postmarked on or before 3/31/04 to: Pepsi iTunes Game Piece, P.O. Box 9205, Young America, MN 55558-9205. Residents of the state of VT may omit return postage. Limit one free game piece per request per stamped outer envelope.
So Vermont residents, for the cost of two envelopes, you can get a game piece which has a 1/3 chance of winning. It doesn't look as if there's a limit to the number of times you can mail in for your free game piece either, as long as each request is in a separate envelope.
Want to improve your Karma? Instead of "Post Anonymously", try the "Post Humously" option.
There are only five major media companies working in the US (and the world?) right now. All those companies own the recording companies AND the media companies under the same umbrella. You are absolutely right, but this is a smear and FUD campaign to marginalize people who download music in the public eye. It's also used to scare people into thinking "they will catch you if you download."
It frustrates me to no end as well, but it's simple to see that this isn't stupidity, its blatant lying and misinformation directed by the large companies who own the media.
"All great wisdom is contained in .signature files"
Even most shady businesses don't end up trying to sue their own customers.
specifically not to cause trouble, or i'm going to lose my position at this univesity. i'm not going to raise any sort of such hell so long as i'm on probation. this is the problem with my position, i can't really do stuff like that, pissing sponsors off would certianly threaten my education.
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So Vermont residents, for the cost of two envelopes, you can get a game piece which has a 1/3 chance of winning. It doesn't look as if there's a limit to the number of times you can mail in for your free game piece either, as long as each request is in a separate envelope.
Even for VT residents this is a bad deal.
Cost of entry: $0.37 (stamp)
Chance of winning: 1/3
Average cost of winning: $1.11
Cost of Song on iTunes Music Store: $0.99
Further:
cost of bottle of Pepsi at Wal-Mart: $.50.
Average cost of song + 3 bottles of Pepsi: $1.50
so, if you drink Pepsi and buy iTunes, that's a good deal.
My God, it's Full of Source!
OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
How long before a keygen is out?
Depends if they used Yarrow or not.
My God, it's Full of Source!
OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
> because they aren't good enough to get a recording contract.
Or they don't like getting raped in the ass, like you.
but i found a better one. pity i can't tell you what it was, and how it's helping me, but thanks for the reply:)
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