Or it shows that I don't trust the OS whether updated or not and have a hardware firewall and third party security software.
interesting... so you trust your third party security software? and your harware firewall, really?
And use a version of Windows that doesn't try to call home or have IE embedded so deeply in it.
and you believe in unicorns, too. IE has been unresectable from windows ever since, starting at 2.0/win 3.11 when they started the whole COM idiocy... up to this day.
Maybe having been online for over 20 years and never having a malware infection implies I actually have a clue.
it means you actually have a clue regarding healthy network/web habits. your seemingly blind faith on third party "security" software or firmware is still naive. you might as well just have been lucky. regarding the IE/win relation no, there you obviously haven't (a clue).
(Or maybe I'm just too dumb to realise how much malware is on my PC, feel free to believe that if it helps you to feel superior.)
You do realize that there are medical studies that refute exactly what you're saying? That have found that secondhand smoke is indeed a threat particularly to the very young? While what you say might sound like common sense to you there have been studies that have found that your assertions are just plain wrong. Surely you are aware of this right? It's not like the dangers aren't spoken about in tv ads and in warning labels....
you do realize that this is utter bullshit?
you do realize that at a time there were also "medical studies" that "proved" that tobbacco smoking was harmless, even healthy? and you still believe a thing of what those those dickheads say?
anyhow, if you folks in US are OK with your lifes being totally controlled up to the ridiculous paranoia level... so be it. it's your life. TFA seems utter idiocy to me, like some sort of dystopian novel. however the handfull of comments I've got to read... are sad and scary. long live the american way of life and have a happy thanksgiving zombie day, I guess.
.. they don't really replace javascript. they just offer the usual new crap but make it compatible with javascript, maybe because they by now make the sound assumption that otherwise nobody would give a crap on their new crap.
but that helmets make a basically safe activity seem really dangerous
those whitecoats haven't biked in barcelona. myself skating dayly through the city for 15 years now i can tell you it's... well, really dangerous. the danger, as always, comes from others, not from the bike.
however, the point seems very valid. overprotecton is not only unsafe in subtle ways, it also encourages all sorts of bad habits, even a unsensible drone-like mindset. there's already a bunch of small cities that have experienced that removing traffic lights results, somewhat surprisingly, in more careful driving and fewer accidents.
He's not really insulting, he's making a point that one should reach for wants, rather than settle for needs.
he's not really making a point, he is shouting out that his personal needs tend to be of material and selfish nature alone. sucks to be him.
If we were to all just settle for needs, we'd all still live in caves, why go out and invent, when we should just sit here in this cave with our fires, and be grateful for the meat that we've just caught, right?
if we hadn't gone all so much for selfish satisfaction, we might live in a more friendly and healthy and fair planet today. scores as need for me.
my point being that the difference of wants and needs can be blurry, regardless of bandwwith.
Government today is nearly half of the US economy, government is crowding out ALL of the credit and prevents borrowing for private businesses.
dunno in usa, but in europe governments are huge dumps of public property into private hands. and I believe you greatly underestimate how much of that public debt is actually private profit.
Release of Java 5: September 30, 2004but it makes you look a little imbalanced to blame them for a vulnerability that exists in a product created by a different company almost 5+ years before Oracle even bought them.
You want to keep your old ways, while I want to move on. If I am a commercial developer, I'd weigh the value of keeping you as a customer and offer you a support contract to compensate me for the work required to keep you comfortably in the past.
that's, of course, your call. and vanishing confidence on any present or future shit you might roll out is logical consequence.
If I am an open source developer, you are not likely to be interested in paying for my efforts, so what incentive have I to do things your way when I believe I can do things better my way? That's what forks are for. GNOME 2 has been forked and people like you who love the old interface can keep working on it.
you just looked at the true beauty of open software. and you just explained pretty clearly why I have no interest at all in comercial closed software. if it isn't open, it just aint "software". it's more like a service you can (and will) disrupt or discontinue as you please. not interested.
GNOME 3 in the meantime can continue trying new things that may bring about an easier and more comfortable future for users who are not already set in the ways of GNOME 2. If you want GNOME 3 developers to instead support your old ways, why not put your money where you complaints are?
does not compute.
first, "gnome3 may bring about an easier and more comfortable future for users" is merely an assumption, there isn't any objective analysis showing it can do or has done so nor is there actually enough user experience at all. in spite of what you my think and all the hype, mac-osish or gnomethreeish desktops are a rare minority today. feel free to experiment, though, but before you blow the trumpet you might first check if the idea actually works and is acceptable... for anything besides tablets or casual use, that is. of course someone may like it.
second, the problem never was the existence of gnome 3, which is nothing but cool, but discontinuation of gnome2 and the fact that it was pushed on some major distros like ubuntu, forcibly replacing a metaphor which has proven productive, efficient and liked alike for decades, with some "may be cool ideas" which were unproven, poorly implemented and not even finished. it should have been an option and this dumbass move hurted both gnome and ubuntu, and also defies linux purpose in general. linux was never meant as yet another platform to shove new products down user's throats, and ubuntu was supposed to be "linux for human beings", not a "fancy linux for clueless consumers".
How much are you willing to pay for continuing GNOME2-style UI support? Nothing? Well, what did you expect for that? Slavery is not cool.
slavery? now you're acting real emo. criticism doesn't imply any demands on the gnome dev community, which no one doubts has done an impressive contribution. doesn't mean everybody has to follow any new direction they may happen to wish to take either. in fact the gnome3 turn has given momentum to other desktop projects which weren't under the spotlight, they are also developers, and have ideas too.
as for me, a long time gnome user, i have ditched gnome completely. it turns out i don't really need it since I can go along very well with some minimal window manager (there's dozen of awesome out there) and a terminal. no need for the slaves to keep maintaing gnome2 at all if they don't feel like doing so. no hard feelings, no nothing but thankyou and farewell. but i still believe they fucked up.
i've been using this "failure" for years now and am quite happy with it. i must be a failure myself.
everything has room for improvement, but for me presently linux desktop is the best choice out there, by far. granted, gnome3 is crazy crap but you're welcome to just ignore it, no problem. macosx is fancy and expensive crap which may be cool but offers me nothing worth the truckload of money it costs, besides other gratuituous limitations it brings along. windows.... well, this is absolute total irrecuperable crap i'm not interested in whatsoever. so what's the problem?
i prefer crap that suits me, meaning a window system that is fast, efficient, will most probably be usable during the rest of my life, is free and open, is community build, costs me nothing and is likely to run even on a toaster. success!
i'm curious now: if this is a failure, how would you call any system that *forces* you to upgrade even if you don't like the new crap, is expensive, is closed software, runs only on specially branded hardware and even imposes limits on what you can install and run on your very own hardware?
are u a marketing guy, by any chance? or is that stuff you must be smoking just too heavy?
and we must find way to re-make Linux Desktop so that it doesn't sux so badly
the best thing u can do about linux desktop is not re-make anything. remember: fix what doesn't work. only.
In 1998, Pinochet, who still had much influence in Chile, travelled to the United Kingdom for medical treatment — allegations have been made that he was also there to negotiate arms contracts.[4] While there, he was arrested on 17 October 1998 under an international arrest warrant issued by judge Baltasar Garzón of Spain,[5] and was placed under house arrest: initially in the clinic where he had just undergone back surgery, and later in a rented house. The charges included 94 counts of torture of Spanish citizens, the 1975 assassination of Spanish diplomat Carmelo Soria, and one count of conspiracy to commit torture.
The Lords, however, decided in March 1999 that Pinochet could only be prosecuted for crimes committed after 1988, the date during which the United Kingdom implemented legislation for the United Nations Convention Against Torture in the Criminal Justice Act 1988.[7][8] This invalidated most, but not all, of the charges against him; but the outcome was that extradition could proceed. In April 1999, former UK Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and former US President George H. W. Bush called upon the British government to release Pinochet.[9][10] They urged that Pinochet be allowed to return to his homeland rather than be forced to go to Spain
On the other hand, United Nations High Commissioner of Human Rights, Mary Robinson, hailed the Lords' ruling, declaring that it was a clear endorsement that torture is an international crime subject to universal jurisdiction.[8] Furthermore, Amnesty International and the Medical Foundation for the Care of Victims of Torture demanded his extradition to Spain.
Despite the protests of legal and medical experts from several countries, Straw finally ruled, in March 2000, to set free Pinochet and authorize his free return to Chile.[14]
yes, they are simply going to print more money. no problem involved...they are doing it from a long time now...
yeah, they've done it too much.
the problem with that is it devluates the currency, which is the primary struggle now. that's precisely the reason for the constant fud against europe or asia, plain currency wars.
US debt hole doesn't affect only economy (local and abroad), but it shifts international balance too and what is at stake now is world predominance. money has no homeland. realize that the elite doesn't give a fuck on your job or your living standard, but is very concerned about their assets not turning to dust and their privileged international position not being compromised. they could be perfectly happy being awfully rich elsewhere in the world, where they may get better support.
you just can't print money forever. US is having it increasingly hard to influence international finances and markets (where they have been the absolute boss for decades) and it is becoming obvious that it's predominance has now more to do with a privileged position and perceived value than with real underlying value of it's present economy. a fair chunk of banks will eventually fail, and wall street will stall, then rise again but will have lost most of its international "mojo". midterm US will depend entirely on it's own real economy, which is pretty fucked up but huge and indeed capable of recovery, but this marks the burst of the bubble of US world "domination" and US willl have to compete on equal conditions, which is though.
my guess is that they will try to address both problems at the same time, and not by printing money, but by waging war. after all the military is the only real and effective power that US currently maintains in full, and selective destruction is a very effective way to shift economic balance, or in general mess everything up so as to get a fresh restart.
the question is... do they have enough drones, or are you ready to die for your homeland, buddies?:-)
OP and OA: piracy? you're talking about the somalian coastline or what?
you might indeed have something to say, but you should try to express it with a clean mouth, i.e., not one full of shit. try again. go fy in the meantime. thxbai.
java.version: 1.6.0_31 jarlaunch version: 7 os.arch: i386 os.name: Linux user.home:/home/znort java.lang.UnsupportedOperationException: Unknown operating system, Explorer can not launch on Linux
at Options.GetRuntimeOptions(Options.java:76)
at jarlaunch.init(jarlaunch.java:31)
at sun.plugin2.applet.Plugin2Manager$AppletExecutionRunnable.run(Plugin2Manager.java:1636)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:662) Exception: java.lang.UnsupportedOperationException: Unknown operating system, Explorer can not launch on Linux jarlaunch is waiting for input
why would someone use java giving a shit on it being multiplatform?
as a spanish citizen i always find these discussions fascinating. there's actually people in the world to whom "law" means something!
here a policeman can rape you any time. if you're crazy enough to try to sue him afterwards, courts will always take police testimony as fact, no proof is necessary. you really need *overwhelming* undisputable evidence plus a case gone public against this. so no matter what the law says he can always say you tried to hit him with the camera for instance (this has actually happened a number of times to people covering police activity during demonstrations. can you imagine a photographer bashing a cop with his thousands dollars worth of life sustaining professional gear? judges can, at ease).
IE 8 will stick around the corporations for a long time until there is a reason to upgrade.
the portion of internet web content aimed at corporations is insgnifficant. it's the end-user where the buck lies. corporations mostly use browsers for their own intranet stuff and can happily continue for years with, be it IE or whatever. (if it is IE, at least as long as they choose to pay for explicit IE support on their sw).
Chrome is not an option PERIOD. No AD support and is released too fast for testing.
i suspect you're just trying to turn down chrome but i would like to comment on this "too fast for testing" thing. while this is true for chrome and firefox and while i don't quite like it, it shows some actual shift in the browser compatibility world. in fact, as browsers *and* web developers conform more and more to standards, there are actually fewer "compatibilty" issues and fewer testing is at all necessary. things tend to "just work" (apart from IE, of course). this could mean that we are *finally* starting to get things right.
of course, testing is still necessary but it's far less problematic as it was, say, just 2 years ago. working with products with very extensive compatibility matrixes and very demanding requirements, we've found very few signifficant incompatibilities lately with the release storms of firefox or chrome. other browsers with slower release cycles also have long improved their compliance a great deal (i'm thinking of opera and specially safari).
regarding TFA... if as developers we stick to w3c methinks we should be fine. for specific targets/platforms/issues maybe the WTF group comes up with something interesting, that will be great. but that stuff is not likely to get general until approved by w3c anyway.
Slashdot Mirror
"Apple, Adobe, Google, HP, Microsoft ... a single source of all the latest information about HTML5, CSS3, WebGL, SVG and other Web standards."
or else i'll take this is as a definition of "irony"
Or it shows that I don't trust the OS whether updated or not and have a hardware firewall and third party security software.
interesting ... so you trust your third party security software? and your harware firewall, really?
And use a version of Windows that doesn't try to call home or have IE embedded so deeply in it.
and you believe in unicorns, too. IE has been unresectable from windows ever since, starting at 2.0/win 3.11 when they started the whole COM idiocy ... up to this day.
Maybe having been online for over 20 years and never having a malware infection implies I actually have a clue.
it means you actually have a clue regarding healthy network/web habits. your seemingly blind faith on third party "security" software or firmware is still naive. you might as well just have been lucky. regarding the IE/win relation no, there you obviously haven't (a clue).
(Or maybe I'm just too dumb to realise how much malware is on my PC, feel free to believe that if it helps you to feel superior.)
You do realize that there are medical studies that refute exactly what you're saying? That have found that secondhand smoke is indeed a threat particularly to the very young? While what you say might sound like common sense to you there have been studies that have found that your assertions are just plain wrong. Surely you are aware of this right? It's not like the dangers aren't spoken about in tv ads and in warning labels....
you do realize that this is utter bullshit?
you do realize that at a time there were also "medical studies" that "proved" that tobbacco smoking was harmless, even healthy? and you still believe a thing of what those those dickheads say?
anyhow, if you folks in US are OK with your lifes being totally controlled up to the ridiculous paranoia level ... so be it. it's your life. TFA seems utter idiocy to me, like some sort of dystopian novel. however the handfull of comments I've got to read ... are sad and scary. long live the american way of life and have a happy thanksgiving zombie day, I guess.
you can simply load JavaScript code and run it.
.. they don't really replace javascript. they just offer the usual new crap but make it compatible with javascript, maybe because they by now make the sound assumption that otherwise nobody would give a crap on their new crap.
well, i don't give a crap anyways, thanks.
About 97% of all of the taxes in our country are paid for by about 5% of the wealthy people in this country
[citation not needed [to avoid unnecesary embarrasment [since you declare yourself already hopeless]]]
but that helmets make a basically safe activity seem really dangerous
those whitecoats haven't biked in barcelona. myself skating dayly through the city for 15 years now i can tell you it's ... well, really dangerous. the danger, as always, comes from others, not from the bike.
however, the point seems very valid. overprotecton is not only unsafe in subtle ways, it also encourages all sorts of bad habits, even a unsensible drone-like mindset. there's already a bunch of small cities that have experienced that removing traffic lights results, somewhat surprisingly, in more careful driving and fewer accidents.
He's not really insulting, he's making a point that one should reach for wants, rather than settle for needs.
he's not really making a point, he is shouting out that his personal needs tend to be of material and selfish nature alone. sucks to be him.
If we were to all just settle for needs, we'd all still live in caves, why go out and invent, when we should just sit here in this cave with our fires, and be grateful for the meat that we've just caught, right?
if we hadn't gone all so much for selfish satisfaction, we might live in a more friendly and healthy and fair planet today. scores as need for me.
my point being that the difference of wants and needs can be blurry, regardless of bandwwith.
FTF/.
by Brilliant Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 27, @02:03PM (#41480183)
Government today is nearly half of the US economy, government is crowding out ALL of the credit and prevents borrowing for private businesses.
dunno in usa, but in europe governments are huge dumps of public property into private hands. and I believe you greatly underestimate how much of that public debt is actually private profit.
hard loling here :D
Then again this was back when Clinton was in office and the military was being shrunk.
are you implying that military policy is somehow related to the particular starlet that hosts the us idiocracy show at any given moment?
Release of Java 5: September 30, 2004but it makes you look a little imbalanced to blame them for a vulnerability that exists in a product created by a different company almost 5+ years before Oracle even bought them.
bought the bugs too.
You want to keep your old ways, while I want to move on. If I am a commercial developer, I'd weigh the value of keeping you as a customer and offer you a support contract to compensate me for the work required to keep you comfortably in the past.
that's, of course, your call. and vanishing confidence on any present or future shit you might roll out is logical consequence.
If I am an open source developer, you are not likely to be interested in paying for my efforts, so what incentive have I to do things your way when I believe I can do things better my way? That's what forks are for. GNOME 2 has been forked and people like you who love the old interface can keep working on it.
you just looked at the true beauty of open software. and you just explained pretty clearly why I have no interest at all in comercial closed software. if it isn't open, it just aint "software". it's more like a service you can (and will) disrupt or discontinue as you please. not interested.
GNOME 3 in the meantime can continue trying new things that may bring about an easier and more comfortable future for users who are not already set in the ways of GNOME 2. If you want GNOME 3 developers to instead support your old ways, why not put your money where you complaints are?
does not compute.
first, "gnome3 may bring about an easier and more comfortable future for users" is merely an assumption, there isn't any objective analysis showing it can do or has done so nor is there actually enough user experience at all. in spite of what you my think and all the hype, mac-osish or gnomethreeish desktops are a rare minority today. feel free to experiment, though, but before you blow the trumpet you might first check if the idea actually works and is acceptable... for anything besides tablets or casual use, that is. of course someone may like it.
second, the problem never was the existence of gnome 3, which is nothing but cool, but discontinuation of gnome2 and the fact that it was pushed on some major distros like ubuntu, forcibly replacing a metaphor which has proven productive, efficient and liked alike for decades, with some "may be cool ideas" which were unproven, poorly implemented and not even finished. it should have been an option and this dumbass move hurted both gnome and ubuntu, and also defies linux purpose in general. linux was never meant as yet another platform to shove new products down user's throats, and ubuntu was supposed to be "linux for human beings", not a "fancy linux for clueless consumers".
How much are you willing to pay for continuing GNOME2-style UI support? Nothing? Well, what did you expect for that? Slavery is not cool.
slavery? now you're acting real emo. criticism doesn't imply any demands on the gnome dev community, which no one doubts has done an impressive contribution. doesn't mean everybody has to follow any new direction they may happen to wish to take either. in fact the gnome3 turn has given momentum to other desktop projects which weren't under the spotlight, they are also developers, and have ideas too.
as for me, a long time gnome user, i have ditched gnome completely. it turns out i don't really need it since I can go along very well with some minimal window manager (there's dozen of awesome out there) and a terminal. no need for the slaves to keep maintaing gnome2 at all if they don't feel like doing so. no hard feelings, no nothing but thankyou and farewell. but i still believe they fucked up.
If MS and Apple can do it, then so can you.
no shit! you figured how to run photoshop cs on windows 2k?
We must admit that Linux Desktop is a failure
[citation needed]
i've been using this "failure" for years now and am quite happy with it. i must be a failure myself.
everything has room for improvement, but for me presently linux desktop is the best choice out there, by far. granted, gnome3 is crazy crap but you're welcome to just ignore it, no problem. macosx is fancy and expensive crap which may be cool but offers me nothing worth the truckload of money it costs, besides other gratuituous limitations it brings along. windows .... well, this is absolute total irrecuperable crap i'm not interested in whatsoever. so what's the problem?
i prefer crap that suits me, meaning a window system that is fast, efficient, will most probably be usable during the rest of my life, is free and open, is community build, costs me nothing and is likely to run even on a toaster. success!
i'm curious now: if this is a failure, how would you call any system that *forces* you to upgrade even if you don't like the new crap, is expensive, is closed software, runs only on specially branded hardware and even imposes limits on what you can install and run on your very own hardware?
are u a marketing guy, by any chance? or is that stuff you must be smoking just too heavy?
and we must find way to re-make Linux Desktop so that it doesn't sux so badly
the best thing u can do about linux desktop is not re-make anything. remember: fix what doesn't work. only.
no.
In 1998, Pinochet, who still had much influence in Chile, travelled to the United Kingdom for medical treatment — allegations have been made that he was also there to negotiate arms contracts.[4] While there, he was arrested on 17 October 1998 under an international arrest warrant issued by judge Baltasar Garzón of Spain,[5] and was placed under house arrest: initially in the clinic where he had just undergone back surgery, and later in a rented house. The charges included 94 counts of torture of Spanish citizens, the 1975 assassination of Spanish diplomat Carmelo Soria, and one count of conspiracy to commit torture.
The Lords, however, decided in March 1999 that Pinochet could only be prosecuted for crimes committed after 1988, the date during which the United Kingdom implemented legislation for the United Nations Convention Against Torture in the Criminal Justice Act 1988.[7][8] This invalidated most, but not all, of the charges against him; but the outcome was that extradition could proceed. In April 1999, former UK Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and former US President George H. W. Bush called upon the British government to release Pinochet.[9][10] They urged that Pinochet be allowed to return to his homeland rather than be forced to go to Spain
On the other hand, United Nations High Commissioner of Human Rights, Mary Robinson, hailed the Lords' ruling, declaring that it was a clear endorsement that torture is an international crime subject to universal jurisdiction.[8] Furthermore, Amnesty International and the Medical Foundation for the Care of Victims of Torture demanded his extradition to Spain.
Despite the protests of legal and medical experts from several countries, Straw finally ruled, in March 2000, to set free Pinochet and authorize his free return to Chile.[14]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indictment_and_arrest_of_Augusto_Pinochet
all these fucking fascist bastards make me sick and ashamed. they make any notion of justice or right a bitter joke.
and now here's your adhominem: you, dave, are a pathetic retarded worm. enjoy! now fuck off, return to your hole.
yes, they are simply going to print more money. no problem involved...they are doing it from a long time now...
yeah, they've done it too much.
the problem with that is it devluates the currency, which is the primary struggle now. that's precisely the reason for the constant fud against europe or asia, plain currency wars.
US debt hole doesn't affect only economy (local and abroad), but it shifts international balance too and what is at stake now is world predominance. money has no homeland. realize that the elite doesn't give a fuck on your job or your living standard, but is very concerned about their assets not turning to dust and their privileged international position not being compromised. they could be perfectly happy being awfully rich elsewhere in the world, where they may get better support.
you just can't print money forever. US is having it increasingly hard to influence international finances and markets (where they have been the absolute boss for decades) and it is becoming obvious that it's predominance has now more to do with a privileged position and perceived value than with real underlying value of it's present economy. a fair chunk of banks will eventually fail, and wall street will stall, then rise again but will have lost most of its international "mojo". midterm US will depend entirely on it's own real economy, which is pretty fucked up but huge and indeed capable of recovery, but this marks the burst of the bubble of US world "domination" and US willl have to compete on equal conditions, which is though.
my guess is that they will try to address both problems at the same time, and not by printing money, but by waging war. after all the military is the only real and effective power that US currently maintains in full, and selective destruction is a very effective way to shift economic balance, or in general mess everything up so as to get a fresh restart.
the question is ... do they have enough drones, or are you ready to die for your homeland, buddies? :-)
OP and OA: piracy? you're talking about the somalian coastline or what?
you might indeed have something to say, but you should try to express it with a clean mouth, i.e., not one full of shit. try again. go fy in the meantime. thxbai.
downloading oracle sw cannot bay any imaginable means be theft. it's plain idiocy at best. even extreme porn is more ... straight.
java.version: 1.6.0_31 /home/znort
jarlaunch version: 7
os.arch: i386
os.name: Linux
user.home:
java.lang.UnsupportedOperationException: Unknown operating system, Explorer can not launch on Linux
at Options.GetRuntimeOptions(Options.java:76)
at jarlaunch.init(jarlaunch.java:31)
at sun.plugin2.applet.Plugin2Manager$AppletExecutionRunnable.run(Plugin2Manager.java:1636)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:662)
Exception: java.lang.UnsupportedOperationException: Unknown operating system, Explorer can not launch on Linux
jarlaunch is waiting for input
why would someone use java giving a shit on it being multiplatform?
tsk! nasa, nasa ...
as a spanish citizen i always find these discussions fascinating. there's actually people in the world to whom "law" means something!
here a policeman can rape you any time. if you're crazy enough to try to sue him afterwards, courts will always take police testimony as fact, no proof is necessary. you really need *overwhelming* undisputable evidence plus a case gone public against this. so no matter what the law says he can always say you tried to hit him with the camera for instance (this has actually happened a number of times to people covering police activity during demonstrations. can you imagine a photographer bashing a cop with his thousands dollars worth of life sustaining professional gear? judges can, at ease).
ads? you mean ... on the internets? really??
this is just another crappy shooter clone. who would pay for that? ... .
oh, wait
IE 8 will stick around the corporations for a long time until there is a reason to upgrade.
the portion of internet web content aimed at corporations is insgnifficant. it's the end-user where the buck lies. corporations mostly use browsers for their own intranet stuff and can happily continue for years with, be it IE or whatever. (if it is IE, at least as long as they choose to pay for explicit IE support on their sw).
Chrome is not an option PERIOD. No AD support and is released too fast for testing.
i suspect you're just trying to turn down chrome but i would like to comment on this "too fast for testing" thing. while this is true for chrome and firefox and while i don't quite like it, it shows some actual shift in the browser compatibility world. in fact, as browsers *and* web developers conform more and more to standards, there are actually fewer "compatibilty" issues and fewer testing is at all necessary. things tend to "just work" (apart from IE, of course). this could mean that we are *finally* starting to get things right.
of course, testing is still necessary but it's far less problematic as it was, say, just 2 years ago. working with products with very extensive compatibility matrixes and very demanding requirements, we've found very few signifficant incompatibilities lately with the release storms of firefox or chrome. other browsers with slower release cycles also have long improved their compliance a great deal (i'm thinking of opera and specially safari).
regarding TFA ... if as developers we stick to w3c methinks we should be fine. for specific targets/platforms/issues maybe the WTF group comes up with something interesting, that will be great. but that stuff is not likely to get general until approved by w3c anyway.