Oh yeah, let's lunch the shuttle again at the cost of over $500 million of your and mine tax-payer money instead of paying Russians around $20 million for a seat on a much more reliable Soyuz vehicle.
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What a bunch of nonsense. Sounds like it was spoken by someone who has no clue about Russian politics or say Russia's relations with China or Ukraine. Please go read up on those topic from a reputable source (note this might be a long read as you don't seem to know much).
I think saying that eMac is the worst product in the desktop PC cathegory is like saying that a brand X toaster is the worst product in the baking oven cathegory. eMac was primarily targeted at the education market where it is mostly likely being used as some sort of a thin client. Therefore, the relatively small disk size is not very important (likely the end user files live on the servers), the video card choice is also not very important as you don't need a top end 3D card to run Microsoft Office or Mathematica. While eMac's CPU might not be fastest on the market, it is sufficient to run desktop productivity apps, a web browser, and for doing light numerical work. My $0.02..
Besides the support you're paying RedHat to get other services as well. Those are:
1. updates (and access to their fairly fast and reliable up2date servers).
2. I believe you're guaranteed to get those updates for at least five years.
3. The ability to perform some system management tasks on groups of hosts using the RHN web interface.
4. Installation CD is updated on a quarterly basis to fix bugs and also add drivers for new hardware.
I don't think there exists a free (as in beer) OS other than Solaris that can match that (but Solaris x86 hardware support really sucks and it looks like many of the Slashdot people would rather die than use Solaris even though it is superior to open source OSes in many ways)
They don't need the close to $1000 price of Microsoft Office.
Whoa.. stop spreading FUD. You can get it for under $200 (the whole office suite) if you buy it from an OEM together with a new system. Even if you had to pay the list price (which no one does, no even businesses), it still would be below $500. You can also buy just MS word alone or the microsoft works office suite (which costs what? about $100?)
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RedHat is the most visible enterprise Linux vendor. Most software and hardware vendors that I have dealt with automatically mention RHEL when I ask them about Linux support. Most of my sysadmin friends who use Linux in enterprise seem to be using RHEL too. At the same time, RHEL users are exactly the type of users Sun wants to be their customers (e.g. who care about using an OS that has received a huge number of software and hardware certifications and has vendor's support for piece of mind). I don't think that there are too many other Linux vendors who can claim this level of acceptance in the enterprise market. SuSE might have a good enterprise product but they probably aren't on Sun's radar yet due to their small market share. So, I think it makes a perfect economic sense for Sun marketing to target (and bash) RedHat. RedHat has made it specially easy for them to do that with RHEL pricing. But RedHat is not Linux you might say? Yes. But Sun doesn't care. RedHat customer base is what their target is. So, I don't cosider it to be FUD when Sun implies that RedHat == Linux. RedHat IS Linux as far as enterprise customers are concerned. Sun doesn't care about others much.
NASA will focus on sending large, heavy payloads in to space, like communications satellites.
Huh? Where have you been? The private market is more than capable of providing the satelite launching service. NASA hasn't been in the business of sending communications satelites (military or commercial) into space for many many years. NASA's current purpose is to continue the space exploration (which it has been doing in a quite wasteful way in the last 20 years given the inefficiency of the shuttles)
When I hear someone suggest to roll your own anything, I want to scream and run as they probably haven't worked a day in a real production environment. I'd like to see you roll your own, manage, and support a multiterabyte storage system and then decide by yourself whether it was worth it or not (assuming you're lucky and get a chance to do so, after not being fired because something has gone wrong and ate your data or caused downtime)
As for this particular case, this system was obviously designed to efficiently manage vast amounts of storage. It is not worth buying if you only need a 580GB of storage. Besides, no one pays the list price in the enterprise storage market. No one also buys IBM's enterprise hardware just because they think they need the hardware alone.
What do you mean by open? Solaris is not open source, nor its source code is freely available. However, a couple years ago, for a limited amount of time, much of Solaris 8 source code was available for download from Sun. It had many limitations: 1. some parts were shipped as object files since those parts of sourcer contained code that sun doesn't own. 2. The source code was provided only for the original version of Solaris 8 (so, it didn't include any updates and improvements since Solaris 8 was released). 3. The source code was meant for education and research purposes only. technically, you couldn't even legally use in production the programs compiled from this code (modified or not).
The CIA world factbook figures are purchasing power parity adjusted numbers which means that they reflect roughly how many goods can be purchased in terms of US prices. They don't mean that it's how much people actually get paid on the re on aveagage. Saying "I make $100 working in country X" is trully meaningless without a purchassing power adjustment. And where did you come up with the media $100 figure anyways? I hear these days there are plenty of families in Moscow making $1000 per adult working person. Of course, the average incomes in the rest of country are a lot lower than in Moscow.
Whatever happened to the old days of being ethical and honest with regard to your responsibilities to the consumer.
Err.. did you mean, the shareholder?
Can someone tell me what are the benefits of sending humans to Mars? It seems like this venture will become unjustifiably expensive because of the life support systems and the space craft that can get the astronauts safely not only to Mars but also back to the Earth. It seems like NASA has already demonstrated that science can be done on Mars relatively cheaply using robots, so I don't see what's the purpose of sending the humans there (other than perhaps giving the NASA's ever growing burocracy a reason to exist as well as enriching the private contractors that might be involved in the project).
This article is an example of sensassionalist reporting. Sorry but this is not a true random sample. Their sample was apparently restricted to the visitors of some tech-savy web site which, by the way, I have never heard about before. So the article title is _very_ misleading. I am sure you can also obtain a staggering numbers showing that Firefox and Linux usage is on rise by examining access logs for something like sourceforge.net. I don't see any trend here at all.
I wasn't saying that Solaris is free. What I meant to say is that even when you _have_ to pay for Solaris license, it is still a one time payment, and it is still less what RedHat charges you for a similar RHEL product.
Sun sells 144-core systems now. Quite a few of them, in fact. Just becuase doom3 doesn't scale to dozens of processors doesn't mean that real world workloads don't. Web serving, transaction processing, mail servers. These things parallelize very well on an SMP.
Maybe they do though I think it is a pretty dumb idea to buy a propietary SMP box to run "commodity" services like mail or WWW. Using clusters of cheap x86 based servers scales just as well for those applications and costs a whole lot less. Companies that buy large unix SMP machines usually do so to run their enterprise applications on them or for massive number crunching.
Solaris has some benefits for enterprise use. To begin, you're getting support for the OS and the hardware from the same company. The release schedule is very sane (about once in two years) and each OS release is supported for like 6 to 8 years. RedHat Enterprise Linux has a similar release and support policy but it costs more (as of right now you just need to make a one time payment for the Solaris OS which is still less than the price of one year RHEL subscription in most cases). On the technical side, Solaris scales really well on large hardware and it is very usable under a high load. If I see load avg. go over say 4 or 5 on a single CPU Linux system, it's often extremely unresponsive and nearly unusable while Solaris copes much better under such conditions.
Well, the title is still wrong. When I hear "Russian" instead of say "Russian Professor", I expect the guy to be an ethnic Russian which Mr. Perelman obviously is not.
Does anyone know if one needs to pay for the phone service in order to keep DSL? I have DSL but feel like switching to cell phone for phone needs and I'd rather keep my DSL provider (worldcom)
this is sad as Alpha never failed technically and was basically killed by the management at Compaq/HP. Once the first mass produced 64-bit CPU and for a long time the fastest processor in existence, even right now, Alpha still remains one of the fastestest CPUs on the market:-
I heard MIPS is going the same way. The only non-x86 guys that remain standing are IBM/Power and Sun/UltraSPARC and I am not so sure about Sun's ability to compete with Intel in future given their recent record..
I believe one or more of them had expired visas. So if requiring IDs could help spot cases like this, I am all for it despite the loss of privacy and such..
Actually, I often run into the articles on news.google.com that are available only from ONE news source and it requires registration to see the article. As much as I'd like to see the article, very often, I just don't bother. Usually it's some "shitville morning news" site, which I have never seen before and probably will never see again. It's not worth it to spend even five minutes registering myself for every other article that I want to read..
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Oh yeah, let's lunch the shuttle again at the cost of over $500 million of your and mine tax-payer money instead of paying Russians around $20 million for a seat on a much more reliable Soyuz vehicle.
What a bunch of nonsense. Sounds like it was spoken by someone who has no clue about Russian politics or say Russia's relations with China or Ukraine. Please go read up on those topic from a reputable source (note this might be a long read as you don't seem to know much).
Or do you need to purchase it?
I think saying that eMac is the worst product in the desktop PC cathegory is like saying that a brand X toaster is the worst product in the baking oven cathegory. eMac was primarily targeted at the education market where it is mostly likely being used as some sort of a thin client. Therefore, the relatively small disk size is not very important (likely the end user files live on the servers), the video card choice is also not very important as you don't need a top end 3D card to run Microsoft Office or Mathematica. While eMac's CPU might not be fastest on the market, it is sufficient to run desktop productivity apps, a web browser, and for doing light numerical work. My $0.02 ..
Besides the support you're paying RedHat to get other services as well. Those are:
1. updates (and access to their fairly fast and reliable up2date servers).
2. I believe you're guaranteed to get those updates for at least five years.
3. The ability to perform some system management tasks on groups of hosts using the RHN web interface.
4. Installation CD is updated on a quarterly basis to fix bugs and also add drivers for new hardware.
I don't think there exists a free (as in beer) OS other than Solaris that can match that (but Solaris x86 hardware support really sucks and it looks like many of the Slashdot people would rather die than use Solaris even though it is superior to open source OSes in many ways)
They don't need the close to $1000 price of Microsoft Office.
Whoa.. stop spreading FUD. You can get it for under $200 (the whole office suite) if you buy it from an OEM together with a new system. Even if you had to pay the list price (which no one does, no even businesses), it still would be below $500. You can also buy just MS word alone or the microsoft works office suite (which costs what? about $100?)
RedHat is the most visible enterprise Linux vendor. Most software and hardware vendors that I have dealt with automatically mention RHEL when I ask them about Linux support. Most of my sysadmin friends who use Linux in enterprise seem to be using RHEL too. At the same time, RHEL users are exactly the type of users Sun wants to be their customers (e.g. who care about using an OS that has received a huge number of software and hardware certifications and has vendor's support for piece of mind). I don't think that there are too many other Linux vendors who can claim this level of acceptance in the enterprise market. SuSE might have a good enterprise product but they probably aren't on Sun's radar yet due to their small market share. So, I think it makes a perfect economic sense for Sun marketing to target (and bash) RedHat. RedHat has made it specially easy for them to do that with RHEL pricing. But RedHat is not Linux you might say? Yes. But Sun doesn't care. RedHat customer base is what their target is. So, I don't cosider it to be FUD when Sun implies that RedHat == Linux. RedHat IS Linux as far as enterprise customers are concerned. Sun doesn't care about others much.
NASA will focus on sending large, heavy payloads in to space, like communications satellites.
Huh? Where have you been? The private market is more than capable of providing the satelite launching service. NASA hasn't been in the business of sending communications satelites (military or commercial) into space for many many years. NASA's current purpose is to continue the space exploration (which it has been doing in a quite wasteful way in the last 20 years given the inefficiency of the shuttles)
Ugh, you don't need to make $200K per year to afford a $40 month broadband connection.
When I hear someone suggest to roll your own anything, I want to scream and run as they probably haven't worked a day in a real production environment. I'd like to see you roll your own, manage, and support a multiterabyte storage system and then decide by yourself whether it was worth it or not (assuming you're lucky and get a chance to do so, after not being fired because something has gone wrong and ate your data or caused downtime)
As for this particular case, this system was obviously designed to efficiently manage vast amounts of storage. It is not worth buying if you only need a 580GB of storage. Besides, no one pays the list price in the enterprise storage market. No one also buys IBM's enterprise hardware just because they think they need the hardware alone.
What do you mean by open? Solaris is not open source, nor its source code is freely available. However, a couple years ago, for a limited amount of time, much of Solaris 8 source code was available for download from Sun. It had many limitations: 1. some parts were shipped as object files since those parts of sourcer contained code that sun doesn't own. 2. The source code was provided only for the original version of Solaris 8 (so, it didn't include any updates and improvements since Solaris 8 was released). 3. The source code was meant for education and research purposes only. technically, you couldn't even legally use in production the programs compiled from this code (modified or not).
For an emergency call, just walk into the lobby and use a land line phone.
The CIA world factbook figures are purchasing power parity adjusted numbers which means that they reflect roughly how many goods can be purchased in terms of US prices. They don't mean that it's how much people actually get paid on the re on aveagage. Saying "I make $100 working in country X" is trully meaningless without a purchassing power adjustment. And where did you come up with the media $100 figure anyways? I hear these days there are plenty of families in Moscow making $1000 per adult working person. Of course, the average incomes in the rest of country are a lot lower than in Moscow.
Whatever happened to the old days of being ethical and honest with regard to your responsibilities to the consumer.
Err.. did you mean, the shareholder?
IE/Solaris (and HPUX) has been dead for many, many years. OS X version of IE has been EOLed shortly after apple introduced Safari.
Can someone tell me what are the benefits of sending humans to Mars? It seems like this venture will become unjustifiably expensive because of the life support systems and the space craft that can get the astronauts safely not only to Mars but also back to the Earth. It seems like NASA has already demonstrated that science can be done on Mars relatively cheaply using robots, so I don't see what's the purpose of sending the humans there (other than perhaps giving the NASA's ever growing burocracy a reason to exist as well as enriching the private contractors that might be involved in the project).
This article is an example of sensassionalist reporting. Sorry but this is not a true random sample. Their sample was apparently restricted to the visitors of some tech-savy web site which, by the way, I have never heard about before. So the article title is _very_ misleading. I am sure you can also obtain a staggering numbers showing that Firefox and Linux usage is on rise by examining access logs for something like sourceforge.net. I don't see any trend here at all.
I wasn't saying that Solaris is free. What I meant to say is that even when you _have_ to pay for Solaris license, it is still a one time payment, and it is still less what RedHat charges you for a similar RHEL product.
Sun sells 144-core systems now. Quite a few of them, in fact. Just becuase doom3 doesn't scale to dozens of processors doesn't mean that real world workloads don't. Web serving, transaction processing, mail servers. These things parallelize very well on an SMP.
Maybe they do though I think it is a pretty dumb idea to buy a propietary SMP box to run "commodity" services like mail or WWW. Using clusters of cheap x86 based servers scales just as well for those applications and costs a whole lot less. Companies that buy large unix SMP machines usually do so to run their enterprise applications on them or for massive number crunching.
Solaris has some benefits for enterprise use. To begin, you're getting support for the OS and the hardware from the same company. The release schedule is very sane (about once in two years) and each OS release is supported for like 6 to 8 years. RedHat Enterprise Linux has a similar release and support policy but it costs more (as of right now you just need to make a one time payment for the Solaris OS which is still less than the price of one year RHEL subscription in most cases). On the technical side, Solaris scales really well on large hardware and it is very usable under a high load. If I see load avg. go over say 4 or 5 on a single CPU Linux system, it's often extremely unresponsive and nearly unusable while Solaris copes much better under such conditions.
Well, the title is still wrong. When I hear "Russian" instead of say "Russian Professor", I expect the guy to be an ethnic Russian which Mr. Perelman obviously is not.
Does anyone know if one needs to pay for the phone service in order to keep DSL? I have DSL but feel like switching to cell phone for phone needs and I'd rather keep my DSL provider (worldcom)
this is sad as Alpha never failed technically and was basically killed by the management at Compaq/HP. Once the first mass produced 64-bit CPU and for a long time the fastest processor in existence, even right now, Alpha still remains one of the fastestest CPUs on the market :-
I heard MIPS is going the same way. The only non-x86 guys that remain standing are IBM/Power and Sun/UltraSPARC and I am not so sure about Sun's ability to compete with Intel in future given their recent record..
I believe one or more of them had expired visas. So if requiring IDs could help spot cases like this, I am all for it despite the loss of privacy and such..
Actually, I often run into the articles on news.google.com that are available only from ONE news source and it requires registration to see the article. As much as I'd like to see the article, very often, I just don't bother. Usually it's some "shitville morning news" site, which I have never seen before and probably will never see again. It's not worth it to spend even five minutes registering myself for every other article that I want to read..