And did I mention all of this took place over my CELL phone?
There's a federal law prohibiting telephone solicitors from calling cellular phones to sell products or services. Check out US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Section 227(b)(1):
(1) Prohibitions
It shall be unlawful for any person within the United States -
(A) to make any call (other than a call made for emergency purposes or made with the prior express consent of the called party) using any automatic telephone dialing system or an artificial or prerecorded voice -
(i) to any emergency telephone line (including any ''911'' line and any emergency line of a hospital, medical physician or service office, health care facility, poison control center, or fire protection or law enforcement agency);
(ii)to the telephone line of any guest room or patient room of a hospital, health care facility, elderly home, or similar establishment; or
(iii) to any telephone number assigned to a paging service, cellular telephone service, specialized mobile radio service, or other radio common carrier service, or any service for which the called party is charged for the call;
Also note paragraph 3:
(3) Private right of action
A person or entity may, if otherwise permitted by the laws or rules of court of a State, bring in an appropriate court of that State -
(A) an action based on a violation of this subsection or the regulations prescribed under this subsection to enjoin such violation,
(B) an action to recover for actual monetary loss from such a violation, or to receive $500 in damages for each such violation, whichever is greater, or
(C) both such actions.
If the court finds that the defendant willfully or knowingly violated this subsection or the regulations prescribed under this subsection, the court may, in its discretion, increase the amount of the award to an amount equal to not more than 3 times the amount available under subparagraph (B) of this paragraph.
Looks like SBC Ameritech owes you at least $500...of course it'd probably cost you $10,000 in attorney fees before you saw a dime (unless you feel like buying a few reams of legal-size paper for the paperwork you'll need to file with your oh-so-friendly local civil servant), not to mention the lost wages from having to take days off from work to show up in court, etc. etc.
Thanks to this school's twisted morals, these poor children will never know how to operate a "normal" computer, and will only know a tiny niche system called linux.
The school's morals were such that they decided to spend a limited budget in such a way as to provide the best environment possible for the kids and best value for the parents paying the tuitions (this is a private school).
These children will likely end up knowing more about how to operate a computer than a "Click on Control Panel mess with it till it works" paper-tiger MCSE.
This "tiny niche system called linux" and its brethren (*BSD, Solaris, et al) currently have about the same market share in the server world as Microsoft, and their market share for the desktop is currently growing faster than Microsoft's.
Once you've learned how to use one word processor app, you've learned how to use them all.
Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V do the same thing in most Linux apps as they do in most Windows apps - and even then, I can name at least 3 people who have used Windows for multiple years and still just don't "get it" when it comes to copying and pasting.
Children should be taught the fundamental computer applications such as Ms Word, Visual Basic, Internet Explorer, Excel, ect... not the hacked together "gnu" versions featured in linux.
Children should be taught how to figure out things for themselves, and inspired to want to do so.
Once children have learned how to use a proper OS, the switchover (if any) to Windows is as insignificant as the switchover to an automatic transmission for one who learned how to drive a car using a stick-shift.
I submit that Word is a hacked-together version of WordPerfect (or Wordstar), Excel is a hacked-together version of Quattro Pro (or VisiCalc), Internet Explorer is a hacked-together version of NCSA Mosaic, and so forth.
I apologize to other/. readers for troll-feeding, but this one was just too much to pass up...
All members, including 19 newspapers, shared in the management of the company and oversaw its $33 million operating budget for the current four-year election cycle.
Could the failure of VNS be the fault of having far too many PHB's droning on about mission statements and TPS reports?
And not the looms like you see with the corkscrew cut. Rather the A/V type looms you see at Radio Shack.
Actually, those corrugated side-split looms are available for far less money (and in various diameters) from your local auto parts store - that's where I got mine:)
And you can use wire ties (in a matching color so as to camoflage them), just to either side of wherever a wire leaves the loom, to keep the wires from pulling further out of the loom than you want. I have a total of about 4 lengths of this stuff in my workstation - one for all the power wires and the CD-ROM to sound card cable, one for the floppy cable, and one for each IDE cable. No cable clutter in my PC:-)
In my apartment, if I put up an antenna on the patio that stands about 40' tall (15' taller than the building I live in, and thus something that I would be told to take down or be evicted), then on a clear day I might actually be able to get one channel on which I can identify what's playing after several minutes of looking for patterns in the on-screen snow and listening to the snippets of conversation that come through.
For me, television means cable television.
And no, I'm not in the boonies - I'm in one of the larger suburbs of Atlanta.
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We have a small, private organization going by the name of Anti Pirate Group, who get issued warrants from local judges, and afterwards basically bust into people's homes, rummaging through their computers and CD collection in search of pirate material.
Anyone intending to burst into my home suddenly and without warning, apart from duly sworn-in law enforcement officers bearing a valid search warrant and announcing themselves as such, would be well-advised to have his will up to date. This home is protected by Smith & Wesson, among others.
I think this is is the first time I've posted something like this, but damn I wish I had mod points to give Servo either Insightful or Interesting points. Amen, brother!
How do I get a rich feature set to the web without running anything local (the most secure way)?
Depending on how you define "rich feature set" I would suggest PHP or perl or some other server-parsed scripting language. PHP in particular, when combined with MySQL, makes a *great* web development combination. Java code can be fairly secure to run, but it's run locally.
You mean a cheap thrill and valuable research data that may be used to make space travel cheaper, safer, and more efficient? Have you ever heard of a man named Werner Von Braun? You know, the man who contributed more working knowledge to the US space program than any other single person (granted, knowledge gained mostly from the German V2 rocket program, but we won't go there because it involved nasty things like slave labor and the US government deciding that his expertise was more important than justice) - he got his start making small liquid-fueled rockets about the size of the solid-fueled rockets shown in the referenced site. Who knows, maybe one of these hobbyists will end up working for NASA one day and inventing an O-ring that won't get brittle at low temperatures, or some other rocket safety improvement - thus preventing the Challenger thing from happening again.
BTW, if you had actually RTFA or watched the videos, you would know that they recover the rockets using parachutes - which keeps the camcorders from breaking apart when the rockets reacquaint themselves with terra firma.
If you really believe your own bullshit, what are you doing with a computer and an internet connection? For what you spend every month on your internet connection alone you could feed a starving child in Uganda for a year! I mean, really! Shame on you (and me)!
We should be volunteering at our local soup kitchens and donating all our spare cash to feed those poor starving children in some nameless backwater instead of surfing the web, watching TV, and playing with our modded Xboxes. After all,/. user number 601843 says so!
Now we'll have to make absolutely sure we don't visit any sites with huge graphics or popup ads, for fear of running up against that download limit.
And of course, no more of that "rich multimedia content" they were hyping when they sold me the service - unless I want to pay an extra fee.
And all the spam I receive will undoubtedly count against the limit, including the spam I get from my ISP (DirecTV DSL - formerly Telocity) trying to sell me some crap "remote control" service that a. costs more money, b. eats up even more bandwidth, and c. does absolutely nothing that VNC doesn't do better and for free.
In 30 years, I get the feeling computers are going to come with low priority generic network computing clients to off load research of varing projects onto, what else are we going to use that 20Ghz machines for when we go to work?
You mean that Windows 2020 won't require a 20ghz CPU, along with 500TB of disk space and 32TB of RAM?
This recipe feeds four, and goes well with french fries or other starchy/greasy sides such as onion rings. I also came up with it myself, through trial and error.
4 boneless, skinless chicken breasts 2 cups self-rising flour 2 eggs 1 teaspoon Lawry's Seasoned Salt (other brands may suffice) 1 teaspoon Mrs. Dash Onion & Herb seasoning 1/2 teaspoon freshly ground black pepper (black pepper is way better when freshly ground) 1/4 teaspoon ground cayenne pepper 1/2 teaspoon lemon juice 1 deep fryer, filled with canola oil
Heat your deep fryer, filled with canola oil, to 375 degrees Fahrenheit (190C). Mix flour, seasoned salt, peppers, and Mrs. Dash in a fairly large bowl with a sealable lid. Mix eggs and lemon juice in a second bowl. Cut chicken breasts into strips about 1/2 to 3/4 inch thick (that's about 12 to 18 millimeters for those of you who use that funky metric stuff).
Coat chicken strips in egg mixture, then put in bowl with flour mixture. Cover and shake to coat chicken evenly. Fry in the deep fryer for 5-6 minutes, or about 30-45 seconds after they're all floating in the oil. Drain on paper towel. Serve with french fries or other greasy/starchy side dish.
shit, they BETTER ERROR TEST IT BEFORE THEY FLY IT. Its ok if your pc crashes every once in a while. Its not ok if your fighter crashes EVER
I believe they already fly F22's. I live a couple of miles from Dobbins AFB (which is next door to the Lockheed facility where they design and build these things). I've seen planes flying around over my apartment that, while I can't quite make out the details from the gound, look to be F22 Raptors. An in-flight reboot of an embedded system on a military aircraft isn't cause for concern, or even uncommon. Even if one of their computers dies completely, there's at least one redundant system to take over its functions. And even assuming both systems require simultaneous reboot, we're talking about less than half a second reboot time, and I'm sure they program things such that the flight surfaces remain at their last position during this half-second - in other words, the plane won't be likely to crash even if this reboot is required during a landing.
Of course we know the logical conclusion to LCD displays on the front of computers -- someobody will have to have a full-blown 6" color LCD display on the front of the machine...
How about a touch screen LCD on the front? It could show when there's a memory fault (even down to which bank has a bad bit), CPU temps, and other useful stuff.
Oh, wait, ALR already did that with the 6x6 boxes...
Q: Can your technology penetrate a firewall? A: Yes. If you suspect your stolen content is located on a pay site, our technology can effectively get around some firewalls and scan for copyright infringements.
So now they propose to violate federal law concerning computer trespass in order to gather evidence of copyright infringement? Then of course there are the criminal charges and civil suits that will be tossed at them from every pr0n site on the internet - after all, the contents of these sites are copyrighted, and the BSA proposes to circumvent paid-access measures to gain access to these sites' contents.
<sarcasm>Bravo, BSA! You have studied the problem of copyright infringement and arrived at the brilliant conclusion that you must violate the copyrights of others and commit computer trespass in order to enforce the copyrights of your members!</sarcasm>
Q:Can you track stolen content from people who download my content to their home PC? A: No. We are able to identify the e-mail addresses, however, of the individuals who repost the content to news groups.
And we all know that everybody on alt.binaries.warez uses a real email address and/or posts via his ISP's news server.
Just wondering, how did you confirm that they were in fact the owners of the car you were hired to break into? Did you have access to the car rego database so you could check their ID or something?
On the occasions that my girlfriend has locked her keys in the car and had to call a locksmith, not once has she ever been asked for proof of identification or proof of ownership of the car. I have since added a copy of her car key to my own keychain, BTW, and conservatively estimate that we've saved about a thousand dollars in locksmithing expenses by doing so.
A reasonably entertaining story, related to this topic: The one time I locked my keys in my car, I was at a shopping mall. The mall security rent-a-cops lent me a coat hanger from their office in the mall with the express purpose of breaking into my car. They didn't ask me for identification, proof of car ownership, not even for my name. For all they knew, I could have been stealing the nicest car in the lot with a coat hanger they had loaned me. And this was when I was about 19 years old, with hair down to my waist and wearing an Exhorder t-shirt that was adorned with a skull, an upside down cross, and the words "Get Rude" - not exactly the epitome of a "clean cut" type. After I was done, BTW, I returned the mangled coat hanger to the rent-a-cops, hopped in the car, and lit up a joint while driving out of the parking lot.
You're not a real man until your baby sized toolbox is the 8 drawer Craftsman you keep under the bathroom sink (the entire sink) just in case you need a 1/2 distributor wrench and a pair of vice-grips so you can lift your butt of the toilet after you've shorn the hold down bolts off.
Just the 8-drawer unit? Real men keep a 10-drawer Craftsman toolbox in the trunk for emergencies, leaving the rollaround and top box in the garage for the big jobs.
Another point you make, not quoted in the interests of brevity, is the fact that you only keep the thing under the kitchen sink so the wife won't dent the car or scratch the router table when she parks in the garage. Let her park out in the driveway, between the basketball hoop and the boat.
The garage may have once been intended for automobile storage, but the real man of modern times uses the garage solely to store the welder, "big toolbox", air compressor, router table, table saw, old parts bins, spare parts bins, athletic equipment, and other accoutrements the real man may wish to keep around in order to present the appearance of being a handyman, plus the partially-built Chrysler Hemi engine he bought 3 years ago with the intention of installing it in the car that's under the tarp in the back yard
And don't fool yourself - most of these things are just there for appearances. Any real man worth his beer mug can fix anything that's fixable using a hammer, a leatherman tool, a roll of duct tape, and vice grips.
You grossly underestimate the ability of most Americans to be blithely rude, even to the point that they're oblivious to the fact that they're being rude.
And the ones that do know better need only to have a dollar bill waved in front of them to forget.
Yes, it's still there, at least for automating tasks and such (Word users - think "macro")
Pretty darn useful too - the engineering company I work for uses lisp routines extensively for our customized visual tablet, and for tossing boring things like isometric riser diagrams, electrical specifications, and plumbing details into drawings.
These things probably save the company at least $200,000 a year in drafting time alone.
Not that I would be able to tell a lisp source file from an encrypted nude pic of Madeline Kahn if you opened em both in a text editor, but I hear these things from the people here who would...
When I say ease of use I mean obviousness - no offense, but ls> is so arcane I know I'd refer to the manual the first twenty or thirty times I did this just to make sure I wasn't accidently typing some other extremely arcane command in.
"ls" is on page 24 of Unix for Dummies, the same page that reminds you to press Enter at the end of any command line. The > redirector is on page 62, the page after the section where it tells you what a directory is and how to create one.
you're command seemed fairly obscure and virtually useless for most people, so I have the feeling they would read the manual straight through to find your command; whereas anybody who's worked in Text Editors on a Mac knows all about cutting and pasting.
Same for Unix...anyone who's spent half an hour learning how to use *nix knows how to redirect output using ">". It's just a matter of preference, and using what you know. Like I said in my original post, to each his own. I happen to prefer the flexibility of the command line. I upgraded an XFree86 installation with a single command line once, complete with making a compressed archive containing every single file in the old distribution in case I wanted to go back to the old version. Granted, that single command line wrapped into 4 lines of text, but still, I typed it, walked away, came back, and it was done. Non-destructive upgrade - a concept I only wish Microsoft would grasp. Not to mention the fact I didn't have to click "Next" 50 times, or select 20 radio buttons and check boxes. Some people may prefer the faster learning curve of Winders, and Mr. Gates will be happy to take their $129.95 and give them a non-exclusive, non-transferable, revokable, license to use a single copy on one machine, and both parties will hopefully live happily ever after. Just because I prefer a 68 Camaro with a big-block, a 4-speed and no AC (don't wanna spend that 10hp to turn the compressor belt, I can roll down the window and go fast), doesn't mean that all cars should be 67 Camaros with big blocks, 4-speeds and no AC. Maybe that's why the Honda Civic sells so well, especially with the automatic transmission:)
Folder, singular. No manuevering
You keep all your files in one folder? If I did that with the CAD files at work, every designer would spend half his day looking for the file he wants to edit, and it would take 10 minutes just to pull up a listing of all the files. We have something like 800 jobs on the server, each with 10-50 AutoCAD drawings. That would be an administration nightmare if not for hierarchial directory structure (/mnt/cad/001543/mech/floor2/hvac.dwg for example).
How long did it take to learn that command?
Maybe 5-10 minutes after I first saw a Unix login prompt, or about 1/30th as long as it took me to remember that Control-V was the hotkey combination for Paste in Word for Windows without having to click the Edit menu to see it first...
It's just a matter of what you're used to, I suppose.
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You mean, "Imagine - a beowulf cluster of lawsuits"?
Aw hell man, we were using the school's Apple ][ with Visicalc to create our character sheets when I was in 6th grade...it's not exactly a new idea ;)
There's a federal law prohibiting telephone solicitors from calling cellular phones to sell products or services. Check out US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Section 227(b)(1):
Also note paragraph 3:
Looks like SBC Ameritech owes you at least $500...of course it'd probably cost you $10,000 in attorney fees before you saw a dime (unless you feel like buying a few reams of legal-size paper for the paperwork you'll need to file with your oh-so-friendly local civil servant), not to mention the lost wages from having to take days off from work to show up in court, etc. etc.
Children should be taught the fundamental computer applications such as Ms Word, Visual Basic, Internet Explorer, Excel, ect... not the hacked together "gnu" versions featured in linux.
I apologize to other /. readers for troll-feeding, but this one was just too much to pass up...
All members, including 19 newspapers, shared in the management of the company and oversaw its $33 million operating budget for the current four-year election cycle.
Could the failure of VNS be the fault of having far too many PHB's droning on about mission statements and TPS reports?
Actually, those corrugated side-split looms are available for far less money (and in various diameters) from your local auto parts store - that's where I got mine :)
And you can use wire ties (in a matching color so as to camoflage them), just to either side of wherever a wire leaves the loom, to keep the wires from pulling further out of the loom than you want. I have a total of about 4 lengths of this stuff in my workstation - one for all the power wires and the CD-ROM to sound card cable, one for the floppy cable, and one for each IDE cable. No cable clutter in my PC :-)
NetBSD is probably already available for your microwave...as well as for your VCR, car stereo, digital wristwatch, PDA, alarm clock radio...
For me, television means cable television.
And no, I'm not in the boonies - I'm in one of the larger suburbs of Atlanta.
Anyone intending to burst into my home suddenly and without warning, apart from duly sworn-in law enforcement officers bearing a valid search warrant and announcing themselves as such, would be well-advised to have his will up to date. This home is protected by Smith & Wesson, among others.
I think this is is the first time I've posted something like this, but damn I wish I had mod points to give Servo either Insightful or Interesting points. Amen, brother!
Depending on how you define "rich feature set" I would suggest PHP or perl or some other server-parsed scripting language. PHP in particular, when combined with MySQL, makes a *great* web development combination. Java code can be fairly secure to run, but it's run locally.
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Interesting indeed. Did Windows Update get Slashdotted?
BTW, if you had actually RTFA or watched the videos, you would know that they recover the rockets using parachutes - which keeps the camcorders from breaking apart when the rockets reacquaint themselves with terra firma.
If you really believe your own bullshit, what are you doing with a computer and an internet connection? For what you spend every month on your internet connection alone you could feed a starving child in Uganda for a year! I mean, really! Shame on you (and me)!
We should be volunteering at our local soup kitchens and donating all our spare cash to feed those poor starving children in some nameless backwater instead of surfing the web, watching TV, and playing with our modded Xboxes. After all, /. user number 601843 says so!
Great.
Now we'll have to make absolutely sure we don't visit any sites with huge graphics or popup ads, for fear of running up against that download limit.
And of course, no more of that "rich multimedia content" they were hyping when they sold me the service - unless I want to pay an extra fee.
And all the spam I receive will undoubtedly count against the limit, including the spam I get from my ISP (DirecTV DSL - formerly Telocity) trying to sell me some crap "remote control" service that a. costs more money, b. eats up even more bandwidth, and c. does absolutely nothing that VNC doesn't do better and for free.
<sarcasm>Where do I sign up?</sarcasm>
- Slow internet connection?
- A desire for the printed manual?
- No cd burner?
Just a few reasons off the top of my head...---
You mean that Windows 2020 won't require a 20ghz CPU, along with 500TB of disk space and 32TB of RAM?
4 boneless, skinless chicken breasts
2 cups self-rising flour
2 eggs
1 teaspoon Lawry's Seasoned Salt (other brands may suffice)
1 teaspoon Mrs. Dash Onion & Herb seasoning
1/2 teaspoon freshly ground black pepper (black pepper is way better when freshly ground)
1/4 teaspoon ground cayenne pepper
1/2 teaspoon lemon juice
1 deep fryer, filled with canola oil
Heat your deep fryer, filled with canola oil, to 375 degrees Fahrenheit (190C). Mix flour, seasoned salt, peppers, and Mrs. Dash in a fairly large bowl with a sealable lid. Mix eggs and lemon juice in a second bowl. Cut chicken breasts into strips about 1/2 to 3/4 inch thick (that's about 12 to 18 millimeters for those of you who use that funky metric stuff).
Coat chicken strips in egg mixture, then put in bowl with flour mixture. Cover and shake to coat chicken evenly. Fry in the deep fryer for 5-6 minutes, or about 30-45 seconds after they're all floating in the oil. Drain on paper towel. Serve with french fries or other greasy/starchy side dish.
Dig in!
I believe they already fly F22's. I live a couple of miles from Dobbins AFB (which is next door to the Lockheed facility where they design and build these things). I've seen planes flying around over my apartment that, while I can't quite make out the details from the gound, look to be F22 Raptors. An in-flight reboot of an embedded system on a military aircraft isn't cause for concern, or even uncommon. Even if one of their computers dies completely, there's at least one redundant system to take over its functions. And even assuming both systems require simultaneous reboot, we're talking about less than half a second reboot time, and I'm sure they program things such that the flight surfaces remain at their last position during this half-second - in other words, the plane won't be likely to crash even if this reboot is required during a landing.
How about a touch screen LCD on the front? It could show when there's a memory fault (even down to which bank has a bad bit), CPU temps, and other useful stuff.
Oh, wait, ALR already did that with the 6x6 boxes...
A: Yes. If you suspect your stolen content is located on a pay site, our technology can effectively get around some firewalls and scan for copyright infringements.
So now they propose to violate federal law concerning computer trespass in order to gather evidence of copyright infringement? Then of course there are the criminal charges and civil suits that will be tossed at them from every pr0n site on the internet - after all, the contents of these sites are copyrighted, and the BSA proposes to circumvent paid-access measures to gain access to these sites' contents.
<sarcasm>Bravo, BSA! You have studied the problem of copyright infringement and arrived at the brilliant conclusion that you must violate the copyrights of others and commit computer trespass in order to enforce the copyrights of your members!</sarcasm>
Q:Can you track stolen content from people who download my content to their home PC?
A: No. We are able to identify the e-mail addresses, however, of the individuals who repost the content to news groups.
And we all know that everybody on alt.binaries.warez uses a real email address and/or posts via his ISP's news server.
On the occasions that my girlfriend has locked her keys in the car and had to call a locksmith, not once has she ever been asked for proof of identification or proof of ownership of the car. I have since added a copy of her car key to my own keychain, BTW, and conservatively estimate that we've saved about a thousand dollars in locksmithing expenses by doing so.
A reasonably entertaining story, related to this topic: The one time I locked my keys in my car, I was at a shopping mall. The mall security rent-a-cops lent me a coat hanger from their office in the mall with the express purpose of breaking into my car. They didn't ask me for identification, proof of car ownership, not even for my name. For all they knew, I could have been stealing the nicest car in the lot with a coat hanger they had loaned me. And this was when I was about 19 years old, with hair down to my waist and wearing an Exhorder t-shirt that was adorned with a skull, an upside down cross, and the words "Get Rude" - not exactly the epitome of a "clean cut" type. After I was done, BTW, I returned the mangled coat hanger to the rent-a-cops, hopped in the car, and lit up a joint while driving out of the parking lot.
Just the 8-drawer unit? Real men keep a 10-drawer Craftsman toolbox in the trunk for emergencies, leaving the rollaround and top box in the garage for the big jobs.
Another point you make, not quoted in the interests of brevity, is the fact that you only keep the thing under the kitchen sink so the wife won't dent the car or scratch the router table when she parks in the garage. Let her park out in the driveway, between the basketball hoop and the boat.
The garage may have once been intended for automobile storage, but the real man of modern times uses the garage solely to store the welder, "big toolbox", air compressor, router table, table saw, old parts bins, spare parts bins, athletic equipment, and other accoutrements the real man may wish to keep around in order to present the appearance of being a handyman, plus the partially-built Chrysler Hemi engine he bought 3 years ago with the intention of installing it in the car that's under the tarp in the back yard
And don't fool yourself - most of these things are just there for appearances. Any real man worth his beer mug can fix anything that's fixable using a hammer, a leatherman tool, a roll of duct tape, and vice grips.
And the ones that do know better need only to have a dollar bill waved in front of them to forget.
Yes, it's still there, at least for automating tasks and such (Word users - think "macro")
Pretty darn useful too - the engineering company I work for uses lisp routines extensively for our customized visual tablet, and for tossing boring things like isometric riser diagrams, electrical specifications, and plumbing details into drawings.
These things probably save the company at least $200,000 a year in drafting time alone.
Not that I would be able to tell a lisp source file from an encrypted nude pic of Madeline Kahn if you opened em both in a text editor, but I hear these things from the people here who would...
When I say ease of use I mean obviousness - no offense, but ls> is so arcane I know I'd refer to the manual the first twenty or thirty times I did this just to make sure I wasn't accidently typing some other extremely arcane command in.
:)
"ls" is on page 24 of Unix for Dummies, the same page that reminds you to press Enter at the end of any command line. The > redirector is on page 62, the page after the section where it tells you what a directory is and how to create one.
you're command seemed fairly obscure and virtually useless for most people, so I have the feeling they would read the manual straight through to find your command; whereas anybody who's worked in Text Editors on a Mac knows all about cutting and pasting.
Same for Unix...anyone who's spent half an hour learning how to use *nix knows how to redirect output using ">". It's just a matter of preference, and using what you know. Like I said in my original post, to each his own. I happen to prefer the flexibility of the command line. I upgraded an XFree86 installation with a single command line once, complete with making a compressed archive containing every single file in the old distribution in case I wanted to go back to the old version. Granted, that single command line wrapped into 4 lines of text, but still, I typed it, walked away, came back, and it was done. Non-destructive upgrade - a concept I only wish Microsoft would grasp. Not to mention the fact I didn't have to click "Next" 50 times, or select 20 radio buttons and check boxes. Some people may prefer the faster learning curve of Winders, and Mr. Gates will be happy to take their $129.95 and give them a non-exclusive, non-transferable, revokable, license to use a single copy on one machine, and both parties will hopefully live happily ever after. Just because I prefer a 68 Camaro with a big-block, a 4-speed and no AC (don't wanna spend that 10hp to turn the compressor belt, I can roll down the window and go fast), doesn't mean that all cars should be 67 Camaros with big blocks, 4-speeds and no AC. Maybe that's why the Honda Civic sells so well, especially with the automatic transmission
Folder, singular. No manuevering
You keep all your files in one folder? If I did that with the CAD files at work, every designer would spend half his day looking for the file he wants to edit, and it would take 10 minutes just to pull up a listing of all the files. We have something like 800 jobs on the server, each with 10-50 AutoCAD drawings. That would be an administration nightmare if not for hierarchial directory structure (/mnt/cad/001543/mech/floor2/hvac.dwg for example).
How long did it take to learn that command?
Maybe 5-10 minutes after I first saw a Unix login prompt, or about 1/30th as long as it took me to remember that Control-V was the hotkey combination for Paste in Word for Windows without having to click the Edit menu to see it first...
It's just a matter of what you're used to, I suppose.