The PowerMac is the Platform, and the PowerMac isn't going anywhere. Also numerous people have stated over and over that it's the Notebooks that will go Intel first, not the PowerMacs. They'll be on the tail end of the transition - as they are the most Altivec software utilized and Alitvec don't work in Rosetta on numerous reports.
Because the PowerMac line is their uber powerful model line, They also have a nice iMac and Mac Mini line that is targeted squarely at Joe Average, not Joe Movie Editor or Joe Sound Guy, or Joe with more money then sense guy.
Is this how it is going to be from now on? Any time Apple changes a model, drops a speed, or something it's going to be attributed to Intel?
The 1.8GHz was an expensive system for no more than it offered, especially compared to an iMac. You started around $1899 and then had to buy a monitor and it wasn't any faster than an iMac based on reader reports.
So it makes sense to remove single proc models from the lineup with dual proc models available.
If HP = Compaq Prolian pre HP days I'd agree with you, if you mean HP Intel servers pre-compaq days I'd wonder what servers you worked on because pre-Compaq merger days HP were big boxes of crap, at least the series that I worked on/was certified on in the late 90s
I'm only basing my comments on watching lots of episodes of Law & Order.
Can you imagine jury selection? The defense would have to ask 'do you own an iPod and/or use iTunes?' and then immediately disqualify them because they'd be sitting there listening to someone tell them that they can't have new releases of the software they love...
Just thought that'd be interesting. Maybe it won't happen but who knows.
Exactly. While reading the summary I was thinking 'boy, this is like saying Pepsi is out to stomp Coke out of existance because they have 'make your own syrup mix' day'
I imported them into iPhoto, and used their photo service to order 4x6s, 5x7s, and 8x10s.
I got a nice email about how it looked like I was reproducing a pro's prints, to which I was amused because I thought they didn't look that amazing but I digress.
I had to sign a simple release form, fax it in, and I got my prints.
I'm sure there was a former Intel fan boy who loved to bash apple because of their architecture they used. Now with them using Intel chips I'm sure they're thinking 'But Apple is using Intel now so we can't bash their chip, we need to find something we can bash, I know they'll require TPM!, The slashdot guys will hate that!'
I think Steve's timing was right, not that his experience is unique.
I personally quit school about one month into it, I just wasn't 'in' to it and I felt they were totally bass ackwards because they were making me buy 8" Floppy disks to learn about computers in 1989 when the 3.5" drive was just introduced.
I went to work for a local computer store.
Within 5 years I was making $40K a year, within 10 I was making $100K a year. I then went 'back' to college on my employers dime and spent nothing on schooling. Now the only thing that degree did was get a 'knowing glance' when I say I went to DeVry, so I don't bother. Honestly with that shcool I felt like I bought my degree for about $40K.
I believe the key was at the time though that no one knew computers, everyone was learning 'on the fly' and I just happened to be damn good at installing, configuring, designing networks, configuring routers because of the 'hacker' mentality of 'what does this do?' that I spent hours, days, weeks on. Maybe it helped to live the 'slashdot' lifestyle from '92 to '96 where I had no girlfriends and no prospects and could dedicate my time to learning, getting industry certs like the CNE, MCSE (pre-practice testing industry) and the usual cadre of lesser certs.
I don't think you can do that now however, the 'boom' is done and now there are 'institutionalized' types of designs that some trailblazers of the late 80s and early 90s helped develop that now can be taught at a school.
Well I happen to be installing SUSE Pro 9.3 at the moment on my IBM Thinkpad T30.
Through the installatino procedure, right after asking me what password I wanted to use for root it then asked me my networking information, and immediately attached to a nearby SUSE patch server to download all the latest updates.
This is before the first boot...now my definition of first boot is when it comes up and says 'i'm yours' and asks me some simple registration questions.
Would you want your children flying a space shuttle that hasn't been properly beta-tested?"
Screw the kids, I myself would climb aboard in a heart beat.
Did you see Contact? Remember the scene where Jody Foster sees something outside for the first time and they morph the childs face & voice onto her's as she describes what she is seeing?
I'd risk my life to see that, because I know we won't be living on the moon like I thought we would be in the 80s when I was in Jr. High.
I don't buy this. I think virus makers are an egotistical lot and hearing Apple claim for the last few years how virus free they are compared to virus-prone windows that someone would have done a few things just to 'shut them up'
Not to mention it's two kinds of pretty. Pretty Ugly, and Pretty Apt to Stay that way. The windows-fied apple logo with LEDs...ugh.
Caveat: I dislike lighted cases, waste of electricity and looks silly to me. I'm more of a 'silent running' type who wants the only noise to be my typing & mouse movement.
You went to an Intel/Windows platform because of how they decided to connect keyboards together that left them in a very proprietary way with limited third party support for keyboards, mice, etc?
Talk about cutting a nose off to spite the face, you went to an arguably (very arguably) inferior architecture whole bore who never supported SCSI drives (by a major vendor) locally, never had ADB, and serial ports worked for modems mainly?
If Apple move to machines which can also run Windows, then OSX is doomed.
Consider this reasoning: most software runs on Windows. The average Mac user who's not a paid-up Penguin Jedi doesn't care about OSX being technically better than Windows; they'd care even less than about the PowerPC being better than x86.
I disagree oh low numbered slashdot user.
The digital hub concept, while slow to catch on originally, is going to sell a lot more machines especially with Intel behind it.
Also Apple will have a secondary inflow of money from the various Intel OEM programs that are out there. I think this will help spur some development even further than we see now, or maybe help them 'turn' machines to newer speed procs sooner than they have with PowerPC.
I really don't think people are going to buy an Apple to format the hard drive and put Windows on it, there are too many machines out there that will be less expensive than Apple with Windows already installed.
I'd almost be willing to bet there will be Celeron type processors in the iMac, Xeons in the PowerMacs, and Mobile Pentiums in the powerbook, and probably a mobile celeron type in the iBook.
...I got 8 hours out of it before I retired it. At the time I had VBR 320KB MP3s on it.
But I'm torn. $50 in Apple pr0n or join the evil empire of class action lawsuits where the lawyeres get huge chunks of the settlement and the 'injured' party gets a gift cert or a measly check relatively speaking to the cost of the item you bought.
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Well damn, was reading the thread thinking 'hm, wonder if that is taken in NC'...
heh. Ever since I've moved here from KS in '03 I lost my personalized plate (TREKKIE) and been trying to find a new one.
The PowerMac is the Platform, and the PowerMac isn't going anywhere. Also numerous people have stated over and over that it's the Notebooks that will go Intel first, not the PowerMacs. They'll be on the tail end of the transition - as they are the most Altivec software utilized and Alitvec don't work in Rosetta on numerous reports.
Dude, how can you live all day looking at a Dell! :) Is that a LCD for $45 or CRT? Just curious I'd snag an LCD for $45, but not a CRT
Because the PowerMac line is their uber powerful model line, They also have a nice iMac and Mac Mini line that is targeted squarely at Joe Average, not Joe Movie Editor or Joe Sound Guy, or Joe with more money then sense guy.
You're new to computer purchasing, aren't you? Any machine bought today can be considered obsolete in 9 months by someones standards.
Is this how it is going to be from now on? Any time Apple changes a model, drops a speed, or something it's going to be attributed to Intel?
The 1.8GHz was an expensive system for no more than it offered, especially compared to an iMac. You started around $1899 and then had to buy a monitor and it wasn't any faster than an iMac based on reader reports.
So it makes sense to remove single proc models from the lineup with dual proc models available.
If HP = Compaq Prolian pre HP days I'd agree with you, if you mean HP Intel servers pre-compaq days I'd wonder what servers you worked on because pre-Compaq merger days HP were big boxes of crap, at least the series that I worked on/was certified on in the late 90s
I'm only basing my comments on watching lots of episodes of Law & Order.
Can you imagine jury selection? The defense would have to ask 'do you own an iPod and/or use iTunes?' and then immediately disqualify them because they'd be sitting there listening to someone tell them that they can't have new releases of the software they love...
Just thought that'd be interesting. Maybe it won't happen but who knows.
Exactly. While reading the summary I was thinking 'boy, this is like saying Pepsi is out to stomp Coke out of existance because they have 'make your own syrup mix' day'
I did the linked portrait session at home with some alien bee strobes & a collapsable background.
I imported them into iPhoto, and used their photo service to order 4x6s, 5x7s, and 8x10s.
I got a nice email about how it looked like I was reproducing a pro's prints, to which I was amused because I thought they didn't look that amazing but I digress.
I had to sign a simple release form, fax it in, and I got my prints.
Followed by the obligatory:
MOD PARENT UP! I wish i'd not responded/had mod points this is funny/interesting/insightful/underrated!
I'm sure there was a former Intel fan boy who loved to bash apple because of their architecture they used. Now with them using Intel chips I'm sure they're thinking 'But Apple is using Intel now so we can't bash their chip, we need to find something we can bash, I know they'll require TPM!, The slashdot guys will hate that!'
I think Steve's timing was right, not that his experience is unique.
I personally quit school about one month into it, I just wasn't 'in' to it and I felt they were totally bass ackwards because they were making me buy 8" Floppy disks to learn about computers in 1989 when the 3.5" drive was just introduced.
I went to work for a local computer store.
Within 5 years I was making $40K a year, within 10 I was making $100K a year. I then went 'back' to college on my employers dime and spent nothing on schooling. Now the only thing that degree did was get a 'knowing glance' when I say I went to DeVry, so I don't bother. Honestly with that shcool I felt like I bought my degree for about $40K.
I believe the key was at the time though that no one knew computers, everyone was learning 'on the fly' and I just happened to be damn good at installing, configuring, designing networks, configuring routers because of the 'hacker' mentality of 'what does this do?' that I spent hours, days, weeks on. Maybe it helped to live the 'slashdot' lifestyle from '92 to '96 where I had no girlfriends and no prospects and could dedicate my time to learning, getting industry certs like the CNE, MCSE (pre-practice testing industry) and the usual cadre of lesser certs.
I don't think you can do that now however, the 'boom' is done and now there are 'institutionalized' types of designs that some trailblazers of the late 80s and early 90s helped develop that now can be taught at a school.
Well I happen to be installing SUSE Pro 9.3 at the moment on my IBM Thinkpad T30.
Through the installatino procedure, right after asking me what password I wanted to use for root it then asked me my networking information, and immediately attached to a nearby SUSE patch server to download all the latest updates.
This is before the first boot...now my definition of first boot is when it comes up and says 'i'm yours' and asks me some simple registration questions.
Did you see Contact? Remember the scene where Jody Foster sees something outside for the first time and they morph the childs face & voice onto her's as she describes what she is seeing?
I'd risk my life to see that, because I know we won't be living on the moon like I thought we would be in the 80s when I was in Jr. High.
True, but Apple likes hardware margins. If you can apply a discount to lower your cost and keep your price in the same range that's more profit...
I don't buy this. I think virus makers are an egotistical lot and hearing Apple claim for the last few years how virus free they are compared to virus-prone windows that someone would have done a few things just to 'shut them up'
Acutally *that* took about 7 more years and the internet to find someone who'd care enough to throw a frying pan at my head :)
Sure, they figure it out now that I'm married and totally committed, but noooooo, 15 years ago when I was 18 and single no one figured it out.
It sucks to be a trailblazer sometimes. You young nerds got it easy. Back in my day a cute girlfriend was GIF pr0n & a bottle of lotion.
Not to mention it's two kinds of pretty. Pretty Ugly, and Pretty Apt to Stay that way. The windows-fied apple logo with LEDs...ugh.
Caveat: I dislike lighted cases, waste of electricity and looks silly to me. I'm more of a 'silent running' type who wants the only noise to be my typing & mouse movement.
You went to an Intel/Windows platform because of how they decided to connect keyboards together that left them in a very proprietary way with limited third party support for keyboards, mice, etc?
Talk about cutting a nose off to spite the face, you went to an arguably (very arguably) inferior architecture whole bore who never supported SCSI drives (by a major vendor) locally, never had ADB, and serial ports worked for modems mainly?
I disagree oh low numbered slashdot user.
The digital hub concept, while slow to catch on originally, is going to sell a lot more machines especially with Intel behind it.
Also Apple will have a secondary inflow of money from the various Intel OEM programs that are out there. I think this will help spur some development even further than we see now, or maybe help them 'turn' machines to newer speed procs sooner than they have with PowerPC.
I really don't think people are going to buy an Apple to format the hard drive and put Windows on it, there are too many machines out there that will be less expensive than Apple with Windows already installed.
I'd almost be willing to bet there will be Celeron type processors in the iMac, Xeons in the PowerMacs, and Mobile Pentiums in the powerbook, and probably a mobile celeron type in the iBook.
...I got 8 hours out of it before I retired it. At the time I had VBR 320KB MP3s on it.
But I'm torn. $50 in Apple pr0n or join the evil empire of class action lawsuits where the lawyeres get huge chunks of the settlement and the 'injured' party gets a gift cert or a measly check relatively speaking to the cost of the item you bought.
Yes, and also my TiVo reported my viewing habits anonymously as well, at least that's what the user agreement says.