well I tried it out for curiosities sake this weekend, on a spare old Dell P100 which was running Debian 2.1.
Cleaned the hard disk, installed windows just so I could take a look at the new install "wizard" from a newbie perspective. Windows bit worked wizard worked, made boot floppy rebooted spiffy graphical restart, X came up like a dream installer Progress meter got to 25% and X locked solid. console dead as the proverbial dodo. Had no way of kicking X so I tried again. Four times it booted from the floppy and locked. I got bored at this point and put Suse 6.1 on it.
Mind you BeOS froze installing on the same hardware the same day a couple of times so I'm not ruling out flaky hardware. But the Suse CD worked
I think a lot of longish term slashdot readers might agree with my point that the quality of discussion threads on slashdot has been in serious decline for a little while now. It was bad enough with the first post mania and all, but with the grits guys and the petrified girls and the YAF.. invading every thread now, not to mention the downright obscene garbage posters, the cut and paste merchants and the Beatles guy.
I am finding it less and less worthwhile and enjoyable to follow the discussions , as well as less coherent.
Have you any plans to further deal with this sort of thing, above and beyond moderation ?
Is it time for the end of AC posting, esp seeing as there is the post anonymously option ?
And lastly, do you find these trends a little depressing?
I can't believe this myself. I actually was in Dublin on Thursday and missed it because I had no idea it was happening.And I had nothing particular to do that day except drink Guinness. Obviously that wasn't too much of a problem though
Right off the top of my head. I am only too sure there are others.
Note that this list does not seek to compare or champion any of the browsers mentioned, a few of them are very sucky indeed. I just thought I'd mention them. Certainly in the linux world there hardly ever seems to be a lack of choice. Celebrate Diversity !
Yes , I thought I'd try that , but I'm afraid its a not much upgraded over 2.1r2 Debian box and it barfs on libstdc++ libstdc++dev and I think ecgs.debs with dpkg finding circular references.
So I don't think that the.debs will work on slink without a wholsale compiler upgrade. The box in question is already upgraded to glibc2.1 / kernel 2.2
I'd just like to point out that IMHO public perceptions of the health of mozilla might improve a whole bunch if it was easier to get the darn beast to run
I don't think I've had a usable result out of any of the linux milestone builds since M6. It seems to be hellishly sensitive to shared library versions that I just don't seem to find commonly in place on many of the linux boxes I use.
I realise that this comment will generate a multitude of responses along the lines of "It works just fine for me loser, stop spreading FUD" but I'm just honestly reporting the state of play as I find it.
I would love to use a OS browser with the functionality that Mozilla offers , I would like to chip in to the development towards stability, even if only in the form of usable bug reports, just not quite enough to manually upgrade my libc , C++ runtime , compiler , ORB etc to match what seem to be specific linking requirements that you just don't get from the majority of GTK Unix Apps, even including that cherished old scapegoat for stability problems, GNOME.
The searching I have done seems to indicate that the released builds will work fine out of the box on up to the minute Red Hat installations, but I haven't been able to coax them into working on the older Red Hat SuSE or Debian boxes I have access to.
I'm just wondering if the ability to run on a wider range of GNU/Linux systems out there might engage or enhance that massively parallel debugging engine that helps drive OS projects along at such a staggering rate of improvement.
FYI, the Nokia operates on hands free speakerphone when it is open , making it perfectly possible to use the PDA while talking on the phone so long as you don't mind being on speaker. It really could do with a headphone socket, though a hands free is also available that provides this.
A downside to this is that combined with the tiny keyboard it is perfectly possible to accidentally call people when you are just trying to read an email or adjust your schedule , esp if beer is involved in the equation.
I'd generally agree with the sentiments that its not a great phone or a great PDA but if you need all the functionality it provides its definitely good enough in all categories, and its a lot smaller than carrying about a separate PDA / Modem / Fax / browser combination in whatever other config takes your fancy. I couldn't manage without my 9110 these days. Nothing beats getting a page from a struggling server while you're in the bar,flipping out the phone , logging in and fixing it, then carrying on with your socialising without even leaving the barstool !! =)
Oh but my/usr/local/ is on its own partition. But that doesn't help if you regularly hack your own initscripts, upgrade gcc , libc ld,by hand etc etc. And all your smb and apache confs and hacks, and your custom tweaked CVS GNOME installation. I never said it wasn't possible and my two weeks was a slight exaggeration, its just the more your box deviates from the vanilla distro and the more you put in by hand, the more pointless a CD upgrade becomes.
And I think as broadband net access becomes gradually more and more plentiful and the average linux user more and more knowledgeable, then this sentiment might grow a little.
Seems to be a growing number of high profile distributions these days , an increasing number of them based on RedHat. But I wonder how truly sustainable some of these are.
Its only to be expected that we will be seeing floods of first time or new users eager to try out Linux with the media profile of our favourite OS being what it is nowadays. But what will happen as the userbase matures ?
I'm sure I'm not the only Linux user who has started to move away from using the shrink wrapped stuff. You install a Red Hat, or a Suse or a Mandrake or whatever, you spend a few months setting loads of stuff up , tweaking it , installing all of your favourite gizmos and libraries from source, graudually making your box as comfortable as a pair of well worn slippers. Then six months down the line attracted by the shiny new box on the shelf at PC world you buy a updated copy and do the upgrade thing. Then you spend the next 2 weeks in mild shock getting everything working the way it used to again.
And after doing that once, how inclined are you to to fork out your dollars to go through that experience again ?
Quite a long time if you think about it ..
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Especially considering the mainstream media seem to regard it as some kind of overnight event !
I bet there aren't any boxes out there still running 0.1 somehow - now that would be an uptime worth having (joke).
How about a slashdot poll - my first booted kernel was... or have we done that one? I'm too lazy to check.
Funnily enough , this, or something frighteningly similar popped up on the BBC Sci/Tech News a few days ago . I considered submitting it but then thought why bother as It was prominently displayed on the appropriate Slashbox
Article was nearly as skimpy as this one , something along the lines of it's just a prototype piece and initial rollout is only being considered for Germany , as its a joint venture with a German television company
Don't seem to be able to find the link now , maybe it was a different site
No moving parts is definitely an advantage, but the main deal as I see it is the battery life. I own a Libretto which currently runs linux and I'm lucky to get an hour and a half running time out of it.
Eight and a half is far more like it. You can't be truly mobile with under three hours charge.
I'm not sure about too much syntax, but I would have thought that java had too many standard classes for newbies to quickly grasp.
Syntactically java doesn't have a whole lot more than C , and less than C++. The problem with having such a bare bones language implementation is that you need to build up a pretty decent grasp of the available classes before you can do anything , even doing console and file IO requires you to learn a few bundles.
I know when I was first learning java probably my biggest problem was tying up a few days implementing something that I inevitably then stumbled across in the standard class library somewhere, usually a day or so after I had written it.
As I read the article it only seemed to be suggesting that the Ships name was "Excellent" not the series. Because, as you so rightly pointed out Star Trek: Excellent sounds quite silly.
After all, both the original series and TNG had no mention of the ship name in the series title.
It looks to me as thought the majority of the people replying to the survey were existing Delphi users, admittedly with a linux bent.
Not that I'm saying this is a problem, but I would have preferred seeing a similar represenative survey that was responded to by the community at large.
I mean, development language of choice Object Pascal ? . Note I'm not complaining about OP , in fact I've never used it, I know many people that speak highly of Delphi as a RAD language. I think that its indicative that the majority of resposnse to this survey must have been from existing Delphi / Borland Customers. Mind you they all seem to be slashdot readers as well.
Anyway, I hope they port. seems like there's quite a lot of unhappy windows developers eager to defect.
This link should provide you with a lot of help. A lot of links off to related subjects.
English yes, ( from my home town ) , a genius very probably and worked in all sorts of areas from number theory through to crypto ( actually developed a secure audio scrambler ), morphogenic theory, natural geometry, AI , computer design, wrote a candidate for the first programming language, astronomy etc. An archetypal eccentric English dilettante academic.
Much of what he did in his career is still shrouded by goverment classifications, probably the main reason for his relative obscurity. In his day ( b4 the war ) he was a very respected up and coming mathematician / philosopher.
The main reason for there being doubts over his cause of death are due to the fact that although he did die of cyanide poisoning whilst eating an apple, he was notoriously absent minded , and sloppy of habit and it is possible he may have merely forgotton to wash his hands. He was working with cyanide at the time , due to a lifelong love of amateur chemistry, probably his first scientific interest. I believe the coroner posted an open verdict. Hence rumours.
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Its not enlightenment that does this its Eterm - which you can run under any WM.
Gnome-terminal offers this option too. Normal rxvt allows background pixmaps.
These are all cool looking for screenshots , but you need a heck of a fast machine / X server to get it to run smoothly, and I find I end up getting eyestrain and reverting to good old fashioned black / green in the end
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Hey on most Linux distributions I use its just %/usr/bin/hello
I would dearly love to run linux on my Phone, which has to be my favourite piece of existant hardware. Its cerainly based around some kind of x86, so not entirely unfeasable but pretty unlikely I suspect.
On a related note does anyone know of any software to get the 9110 to connect and share data with a linux box. The software supplied is for windows boxes and I don't have any of those. Of course I can do PPP and FTP stuff but that is sub optimal as it works through the phone and gets pretty expensive through a wireless 9600 cell modem.
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I meant the "Yet Another Fucking [Whatever] Story" comments that seem quite popular of late.
I happen to think Suse is flakier set up than RedHat, but I realise that this is just an opinion. The more the merrier I say.
But you can browse through windows disks on other boxes. I do this every day at work
Cleaned the hard disk, installed windows just so I could take a look at the new install "wizard" from a newbie perspective. Windows bit worked wizard worked, made boot floppy rebooted spiffy graphical restart, X came up like a dream installer Progress meter got to 25% and X locked solid. console dead as the proverbial dodo. Had no way of kicking X so I tried again. Four times it booted from the floppy and locked. I got bored at this point and put Suse 6.1 on it.
Mind you BeOS froze installing on the same hardware the same day a couple of times so I'm not ruling out flaky hardware. But the Suse CD worked
I am finding it less and less worthwhile and enjoyable to follow the discussions , as well as less coherent.
Have you any plans to further deal with this sort of thing, above and beyond moderation ?
Is it time for the end of AC posting, esp seeing as there is the post anonymously option ?
And lastly, do you find these trends a little depressing?
I know I do and I'm just a reader.
- mnemonic
- gzilla
- hotjava
- arena
- amaya
- lynx
- Star Office
- w3
Right off the top of my head. I am only too sure there are others.Note that this list does not seek to compare or champion any of the browsers mentioned, a few of them are very sucky indeed. I just thought I'd mention them. Certainly in the linux world there hardly ever seems to be a lack of choice. Celebrate Diversity !
So I don't think that the .debs will work on slink without a wholsale compiler upgrade. The box in question is already upgraded to glibc2.1 / kernel 2.2
I don't think I've had a usable result out of any of the linux milestone builds since M6. It seems to be hellishly sensitive to shared library versions that I just don't seem to find commonly in place on many of the linux boxes I use.
I realise that this comment will generate a multitude of responses along the lines of "It works just fine for me loser, stop spreading FUD" but I'm just honestly reporting the state of play as I find it.
I would love to use a OS browser with the functionality that Mozilla offers , I would like to chip in to the development towards stability, even if only in the form of usable bug reports, just not quite enough to manually upgrade my libc , C++ runtime , compiler , ORB etc to match what seem to be specific linking requirements that you just don't get from the majority of GTK Unix Apps, even including that cherished old scapegoat for stability problems, GNOME .
The searching I have done seems to indicate that the released builds will work fine out of the box on up to the minute Red Hat installations, but I haven't been able to coax them into working on the older Red Hat SuSE or Debian boxes I have access to.
I'm just wondering if the ability to run on a wider range of GNU/Linux systems out there might engage or enhance that massively parallel debugging engine that helps drive OS projects along at such a staggering rate of improvement.
A downside to this is that combined with the tiny keyboard it is perfectly possible to accidentally call people when you are just trying to read an email or adjust your schedule , esp if beer is involved in the equation.
I'd generally agree with the sentiments that its not a great phone or a great PDA but if you need all the functionality it provides its definitely good enough in all categories, and its a lot smaller than carrying about a separate PDA / Modem / Fax / browser combination in whatever other config takes your fancy. I couldn't manage without my 9110 these days. Nothing beats getting a page from a struggling server while you're in the bar ,flipping out the phone , logging in and fixing it, then carrying on with your socialising without even leaving the barstool !! =)
And I think as broadband net access becomes gradually more and more plentiful and the average linux user more and more knowledgeable, then this sentiment might grow a little.
Its only to be expected that we will be seeing floods of first time or new users eager to try out Linux with the media profile of our favourite OS being what it is nowadays. But what will happen as the userbase matures ?
I'm sure I'm not the only Linux user who has started to move away from using the shrink wrapped stuff. You install a Red Hat, or a Suse or a Mandrake or whatever, you spend a few months setting loads of stuff up , tweaking it , installing all of your favourite gizmos and libraries from source, graudually making your box as comfortable as a pair of well worn slippers. Then six months down the line attracted by the shiny new box on the shelf at PC world you buy a updated copy and do the upgrade thing. Then you spend the next 2 weeks in mild shock getting everything working the way it used to again.
And after doing that once, how inclined are you to to fork out your dollars to go through that experience again ?
I bet there aren't any boxes out there still running 0.1 somehow - now that would be an uptime worth having (joke).
How about a slashdot poll - my first booted kernel was ... or have we done that one? I'm too lazy to check.
Or am I just seeing too much subtext in everything
Article was nearly as skimpy as this one , something along the lines of it's just a prototype piece and initial rollout is only being considered for Germany , as its a joint venture with a German television company
Don't seem to be able to find the link now , maybe it was a different site
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Eight and a half is far more like it. You can't be truly mobile with under three hours charge.
Syntactically java doesn't have a whole lot more than C , and less than C++. The problem with having such a bare bones language implementation is that you need to build up a pretty decent grasp of the available classes before you can do anything , even doing console and file IO requires you to learn a few bundles.
I know when I was first learning java probably my biggest problem was tying up a few days implementing something that I inevitably then stumbled across in the standard class library somewhere, usually a day or so after I had written it.
After all, both the original series and TNG had no mention of the ship name in the series title.
Have you seen the Cygnus stuff ?
Not that I'm saying this is a problem, but I would have preferred seeing a similar represenative survey that was responded to by the community at large.
I mean, development language of choice Object Pascal ? . Note I'm not complaining about OP , in fact I've never used it, I know many people that speak highly of Delphi as a RAD language. I think that its indicative that the majority of resposnse to this survey must have been from existing Delphi / Borland Customers. Mind you they all seem to be slashdot readers as well.
Anyway, I hope they port. seems like there's quite a lot of unhappy windows developers eager to defect.
English yes, ( from my home town ) , a genius very probably and worked in all sorts of areas from number theory through to crypto ( actually developed a secure audio scrambler ), morphogenic theory, natural geometry, AI , computer design, wrote a candidate for the first programming language, astronomy etc. An archetypal eccentric English dilettante academic.
Much of what he did in his career is still shrouded by goverment classifications, probably the main reason for his relative obscurity. In his day ( b4 the war ) he was a very respected up and coming mathematician / philosopher.
The main reason for there being doubts over his cause of death are due to the fact that although he did die of cyanide poisoning whilst eating an apple, he was notoriously absent minded , and sloppy of habit and it is possible he may have merely forgotton to wash his hands. He was working with cyanide at the time , due to a lifelong love of amateur chemistry, probably his first scientific interest. I believe the coroner posted an open verdict. Hence rumours.
Gnome-terminal offers this option too.
Normal rxvt allows background pixmaps.
These are all cool looking for screenshots , but you need a heck of a fast machine / X server to get it to run smoothly, and I find I end up getting eyestrain and reverting to good old fashioned black / green in the end
On a related note does anyone know of any software to get the 9110 to connect and share data with a linux box. The software supplied is for windows boxes and I don't have any of those. Of course I can do PPP and FTP stuff but that is sub optimal as it works through the phone and gets pretty expensive through a wireless 9600 cell modem.
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