IANAL, but it seems like it would be perfectly acceptable if you substituted experience for age, so long as you really do hire based on experience, and not age...
If the interviewer had said "you've been doing this for twenty years. My next applicant is straight out of college and has been taught all the newest technologies, what do you know that he doesn't?", that is quite a bit different.
You may be right on this. I don't know what the probability is for a random search, or, how accurate the system actually is, but I felt the need to point out how the 1% figure can be misleading.
You're looking at it on a per population basis, which sounds reasonable, but the problem is that it has to take into account just how many criminals are in a given airport at a given time. This leads to data that is skewed by the actual distribution of innocent verses guilty people. If you look at it in terms of a per person basis, you would get a much different picture.
As behavior selection is only 1% accurate at picking out people who actually are hiding something, that means it's 99% accurate, which means that if one out a hundred people were terrorists, and no one was hiding anything else, we'd pick an innocent guy as often as not. In the real world, where it's more like one out a billion (per person per flight, that is.), we'll end up getting one hundred million innocent people for each terrorist
Correction: as 1% of the people picked are guilty of something. You changed from per-population to per-person for this point, without doing the necessary math. If 1% of the people picked were guilty of something, then that means for every 100 people detained, one is a criminal, not 1 for every one hundred million.
Since I do not know how many people passed by and were not flagged, or what the rate is on random searches, then I can't say whether 1% is high or low, but the point is that the actual percentage is going to be much lower when expressed your way, than when expressed in terms of "the probability of being correct per person".
The fact that less than 1% of the people caught were doing something illegal would make sense if we can assume that the vast majority of the people flying are not criminals.
Let say that the detector was accurate 90% of the time, and 5% of the people who passed through the airport were doing something illegal. If one million people came through that airport, we could assume that:
1,000,000 people
50,000 criminals
- 45,000 detected
- 5,000 not detected
950,000 innocent people
-855,000 not flagged
- 95,000 falsely accused
140,000 people accused
- 67.8% are innocent
- 32.1% are guilty
Granted this is just a hypothetical situation, not based on actual statistics, but the example shows how that even a reasonably accurate system can look unreliable when searching for a needle in a haystack.
Of course issues of fairness and privacy are something else entirely is another issue entirely.
Well, you'd get no complaint from me. I assume you're joking, and would think it silly if you were serious, but the point is that some people are very personally offended that x wants to be called y.
If someone else gets slighted, that doesn't help anybody. When a minority is referred to using a demeaning name, white people don't win a prize. So why should we care?
How much terraforming would you have to do to remove all evidence of an advanced civilization and a world war?
If a nuclear bomb went off in New York City, and we wanted to pretend there was nothing there, we would have to knock down every building, melt down the metal, and place it back in the ground, find some way to convert plastics back into petroleum, plant a forest over the entire city, remove all the pollution and radiation from the air, dig up every corpse and remove items such as cell-phones, watches, and anything that is not biodegradable. Now, imagine doing this, with every city in the world...
Couldn't they come up with a simpler cover story that allowed for an advanced civilization to wipe themselves out? Honestly, my point is that, for most notions, such as this, you have to ask yourself, how much effort, control, and sheer genius would be needed to hide a secret this big, and then ask, what are the odds of someone pulling it off?
I think it is funny how irate people get over political correctness, without realizing the irony of it all.
If someone wrote a series of books about a guy who used the nickname "toll_free" and molested children, you would have the right to assume a new nickname. No one would be screaming about how unfair it is, and you must be remembered for all eternity as "toll_free", because we do not want to learn a new name.
But, after decades of asian-americans being stereotyped and slighted, they try to undo the harm caused by these negative stereotypes. So, Asian-American children are taught that they define themselves, not the racists who lived here a century ago.
Forty years from now, I may have to learn a new word, and occasionally, I say Chinese when that may not be the appropriate word, but is that the extent of the "harm" done to me?
but he was down with the whole stabbing people thing. I know, hindsight is 20/20, but I always tell my son, do try to have something worthwhile named after you, don't stab people.
I guess Hans Reiser got mixed up.
BTW, if you're wondering about my alias, well, I want something worthwhile named after me, and, well, you've seen my posts.
Hiding behind a pseudonym is only helpful in the case where you are doing something very illegal or commercially disruptive, in which case you need to do a lot more than just choose a handle, eg offshoring, money laundering etc.
Don't forget Freenet/onion routing. If you're doing something THAT serious, then a simple nickname isn't going to protect you from RICO/Patriot Act/etc...
I don't think the original poster had that in mind, but you may have a point in that, if a patent troll/MPAA/RIAA organization were to go after you, the first thing they would do is contact the project's ISP and demand a list of ISP addresses for everyone who has connected to that server, under threat of legal incarceration, fines, foreclosures, voodoo, and visits from scary guys in suits.
If the project's ISP folds under a DMCA threat, an alias just makes you look more guilty.
wasn't 300 hundred an dramatization of an actual battle?
Why is this modded flamebait?
From Kierthos
The movie 300 was an adaptation of the graphic novel 300, which in turn was based both upon the actual battle at Thermopylae AND inspired by the 1962 movie The 300 Spartans, which Frank Miller saw when he was young.
So, this is a movie based on a comic, based on a movie, based on a historic event. I disagree with parent, and would still say it is based on a comic, but parent isn't trolling or flaming.
Maybe they should put GPS systems on the ducks and make a deal with Google Maps. Then we could all go to tracktheduckie.com (not sure if it's a real domain, probably a porn site if it is), and get regular updates on their locations, which one is winning, etc. Who knows, place a banner ad or two on the site, get slashdotted, they could actually make money off of it.
If we die off, then some other species will rise to the top, and learn from our mistakes. You'll see Walmarts and K-Marts and law firms run by super intelligent orangutans in snazzy new uniforms...
It's called the free market people. The sooner we learn to accept it, the sooner we can give way to our new furry overlords.
In fairness to MSFT, it could have some useful applications in prioritizing. History has shown us that a software company obviously can't fix every bug, so, a more efficient way of knowing in how many person hours to sling in which direction may prove useful.
You obviously didn't understand a word I said. somehow you jumped from "racists try to hide their racism" to "all white people are racist". Funny how most other people did, but the one guy who is foaming at the mouth says "i don't get it", and tries to twist it around into an attack on southerners.
I don't think that all white people are racist, but I DO think that the obsession with showing historic pride over the south's part in the civil war is racist. I also believe that people who collect Nazi memorabilia are racist. I think it is racist to assume that America is a place where hard work is all you need, and then say "the black community just isn't trying hard enough".
Not all white people do that. I don't, and most of the people I know don't.
As for your point about it being racist to notice racism, that's just retarded. People notice injustice, and racial sensitivity is not a disability. It does not prevent you from literally noticing a person's color or the problems he or she faces because of it.
Was it that they lost their trademark, or that the block specs are not considered part of the trademark? The word "Lego" appears to be the only thing that ever should have been trademarked in the first place. The rest of it could have been patented, however (<laughs>).
I am surprised that Red Hat had nothing to do with White Hat and Black Hat Hackers...I always assumed Red Hat was an option C; Not necessarily good, and not necessarily evil.
So, what kind of names do their children have? Did they spend months obsessively trying to determine a name that conveys "don't beat me up, now, please hire me later"?
I'm tired of the nickel and diming. I pay around $40 a month for internet, than, if I want an X-Box 360, then I pay an X-box live subscription fee, and then, if I play an MMORPG, I pay a monthly fee on top of that.
Whatever happened to the days when you buy a system, a game, a dvr/vcr, and you didn't have to pay "rent" on every electronic item in your house.
And outlaw Christmas...Once you've done all the shopping, well, we call that November. That part should be legal, but Christmas is just one big socialistic holiday where people revel in the First Sale Doctrine.
Nobody makes money on Christmas Day, so let's make a Holiday where people go out and buy things and then burn them. Then, they call their buddies and say "Guess what! I got you a PS3, and I set it on fire!". Then that buddy is so disspointed about losing a PS3, that he runs out to Walmart and buys another one, and everybody wins.
Another problem is that some states do not allow class action lawsuits, meaning that if you buy a $50 game, and have an issue, you can spend $10,000 trying to get your $50 back, or you can take the loss. Most EULAs also have provisions stating that, if you sue, the manufacturer gets to choose in which state to sue, meaning that they can choose the state in which they are most likely to have a favorable outcome.
How were they giving it away in the first place? If you go to Sun's website and try to download Star Office normally, it's $70. So how was Google able to give it away for free, and why isn't "sun wanted cash" a possible explanation for Google dropping the product?
So have you never met a racist who tries to pass himself off as more enlightened than the rest of us? Someone whose preconceived notion is purely an academic interest?
I can't tell you how many times I have had conversations that began with someone saying "I'm not racist but", and then the person goes off into some explanation of why racists really are correct. The only problem is that is is based on stereotypes, rather then evidence.
But, I would be curious, then. Of the racists you have encountered, are they more out in the open, or are you someone who believes that racism no longer exists?
Actually, I have a problem with a country founded on Freedom forcing children to risk their lives.
But this is different. Judging by the number of people whining that they may have to work in a soup kitchen, pick up litter, etc, then maybe we would be better off if people had to spend some time thinking of someone other than themselves.
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IANAL, but it seems like it would be perfectly acceptable if you substituted experience for age, so long as you really do hire based on experience, and not age...
If the interviewer had said "you've been doing this for twenty years. My next applicant is straight out of college and has been taught all the newest technologies, what do you know that he doesn't?", that is quite a bit different.
You may be right on this. I don't know what the probability is for a random search, or, how accurate the system actually is, but I felt the need to point out how the 1% figure can be misleading.
You're looking at it on a per population basis, which sounds reasonable, but the problem is that it has to take into account just how many criminals are in a given airport at a given time. This leads to data that is skewed by the actual distribution of innocent verses guilty people. If you look at it in terms of a per person basis, you would get a much different picture.
As behavior selection is only 1% accurate at picking out people who actually are hiding something, that means it's 99% accurate, which means that if one out a hundred people were terrorists, and no one was hiding anything else, we'd pick an innocent guy as often as not. In the real world, where it's more like one out a billion (per person per flight, that is.), we'll end up getting one hundred million innocent people for each terrorist
Correction: as 1% of the people picked are guilty of something. You changed from per-population to per-person for this point, without doing the necessary math. If 1% of the people picked were guilty of something, then that means for every 100 people detained, one is a criminal, not 1 for every one hundred million.
Since I do not know how many people passed by and were not flagged, or what the rate is on random searches, then I can't say whether 1% is high or low, but the point is that the actual percentage is going to be much lower when expressed your way, than when expressed in terms of "the probability of being correct per person".
The fact that less than 1% of the people caught were doing something illegal would make sense if we can assume that the vast majority of the people flying are not criminals.
Let say that the detector was accurate 90% of the time, and 5% of the people who passed through the airport were doing something illegal. If one million people came through that airport, we could assume that:
1,000,000 people
50,000 criminals
- 45,000 detected
- 5,000 not detected
950,000 innocent people
-855,000 not flagged
- 95,000 falsely accused
140,000 people accused
- 67.8% are innocent
- 32.1% are guilty
Granted this is just a hypothetical situation, not based on actual statistics, but the example shows how that even a reasonably accurate system can look unreliable when searching for a needle in a haystack.
Of course issues of fairness and privacy are something else entirely is another issue entirely.
Well, you'd get no complaint from me. I assume you're joking, and would think it silly if you were serious, but the point is that some people are very personally offended that x wants to be called y.
If someone else gets slighted, that doesn't help anybody. When a minority is referred to using a demeaning name, white people don't win a prize. So why should we care?
How much terraforming would you have to do to remove all evidence of an advanced civilization and a world war?
If a nuclear bomb went off in New York City, and we wanted to pretend there was nothing there, we would have to knock down every building, melt down the metal, and place it back in the ground, find some way to convert plastics back into petroleum, plant a forest over the entire city, remove all the pollution and radiation from the air, dig up every corpse and remove items such as cell-phones, watches, and anything that is not biodegradable. Now, imagine doing this, with every city in the world...
Couldn't they come up with a simpler cover story that allowed for an advanced civilization to wipe themselves out? Honestly, my point is that, for most notions, such as this, you have to ask yourself, how much effort, control, and sheer genius would be needed to hide a secret this big, and then ask, what are the odds of someone pulling it off?
I think it is funny how irate people get over political correctness, without realizing the irony of it all.
If someone wrote a series of books about a guy who used the nickname "toll_free" and molested children, you would have the right to assume a new nickname. No one would be screaming about how unfair it is, and you must be remembered for all eternity as "toll_free", because we do not want to learn a new name.
But, after decades of asian-americans being stereotyped and slighted, they try to undo the harm caused by these negative stereotypes. So, Asian-American children are taught that they define themselves, not the racists who lived here a century ago.
Forty years from now, I may have to learn a new word, and occasionally, I say Chinese when that may not be the appropriate word, but is that the extent of the "harm" done to me?
but he was down with the whole stabbing people thing. I know, hindsight is 20/20, but I always tell my son, do try to have something worthwhile named after you, don't stab people.
I guess Hans Reiser got mixed up.
BTW, if you're wondering about my alias, well, I want something worthwhile named after me, and, well, you've seen my posts.
Hiding behind a pseudonym is only helpful in the case where you are doing something very illegal or commercially disruptive, in which case you need to do a lot more than just choose a handle, eg offshoring, money laundering etc.
Don't forget Freenet/onion routing. If you're doing something THAT serious, then a simple nickname isn't going to protect you from RICO/Patriot Act/etc...
I don't think the original poster had that in mind, but you may have a point in that, if a patent troll/MPAA/RIAA organization were to go after you, the first thing they would do is contact the project's ISP and demand a list of ISP addresses for everyone who has connected to that server, under threat of legal incarceration, fines, foreclosures, voodoo, and visits from scary guys in suits.
If the project's ISP folds under a DMCA threat, an alias just makes you look more guilty.
wasn't 300 hundred an dramatization of an actual battle?
Why is this modded flamebait?
From Kierthos
The movie 300 was an adaptation of the graphic novel 300, which in turn was based both upon the actual battle at Thermopylae AND inspired by the 1962 movie The 300 Spartans, which Frank Miller saw when he was young.
So, this is a movie based on a comic, based on a movie, based on a historic event. I disagree with parent, and would still say it is based on a comic, but parent isn't trolling or flaming.
Maybe they should put GPS systems on the ducks and make a deal with Google Maps. Then we could all go to tracktheduckie.com (not sure if it's a real domain, probably a porn site if it is), and get regular updates on their locations, which one is winning, etc. Who knows, place a banner ad or two on the site, get slashdotted, they could actually make money off of it.
If we die off, then some other species will rise to the top, and learn from our mistakes. You'll see Walmarts and K-Marts and law firms run by super intelligent orangutans in snazzy new uniforms...
It's called the free market people. The sooner we learn to accept it, the sooner we can give way to our new furry overlords.
In fairness to MSFT, it could have some useful applications in prioritizing. History has shown us that a software company obviously can't fix every bug, so, a more efficient way of knowing in how many person hours to sling in which direction may prove useful.
You obviously didn't understand a word I said. somehow you jumped from "racists try to hide their racism" to "all white people are racist". Funny how most other people did, but the one guy who is foaming at the mouth says "i don't get it", and tries to twist it around into an attack on southerners.
I don't think that all white people are racist, but I DO think that the obsession with showing historic pride over the south's part in the civil war is racist. I also believe that people who collect Nazi memorabilia are racist. I think it is racist to assume that America is a place where hard work is all you need, and then say "the black community just isn't trying hard enough".
Not all white people do that. I don't, and most of the people I know don't.
As for your point about it being racist to notice racism, that's just retarded. People notice injustice, and racial sensitivity is not a disability. It does not prevent you from literally noticing a person's color or the problems he or she faces because of it.
Go back to your clan meeting, douchebag.
Was it that they lost their trademark, or that the block specs are not considered part of the trademark? The word "Lego" appears to be the only thing that ever should have been trademarked in the first place. The rest of it could have been patented, however (<laughs>).
I am surprised that Red Hat had nothing to do with White Hat and Black Hat Hackers...I always assumed Red Hat was an option C; Not necessarily good, and not necessarily evil.
So, what kind of names do their children have? Did they spend months obsessively trying to determine a name that conveys "don't beat me up, now, please hire me later"?
I'm tired of the nickel and diming. I pay around $40 a month for internet, than, if I want an X-Box 360, then I pay an X-box live subscription fee, and then, if I play an MMORPG, I pay a monthly fee on top of that.
Whatever happened to the days when you buy a system, a game, a dvr/vcr, and you didn't have to pay "rent" on every electronic item in your house.
And outlaw Christmas...Once you've done all the shopping, well, we call that November. That part should be legal, but Christmas is just one big socialistic holiday where people revel in the First Sale Doctrine.
Nobody makes money on Christmas Day, so let's make a Holiday where people go out and buy things and then burn them. Then, they call their buddies and say "Guess what! I got you a PS3, and I set it on fire!". Then that buddy is so disspointed about losing a PS3, that he runs out to Walmart and buys another one, and everybody wins.
Another problem is that some states do not allow class action lawsuits, meaning that if you buy a $50 game, and have an issue, you can spend $10,000 trying to get your $50 back, or you can take the loss. Most EULAs also have provisions stating that, if you sue, the manufacturer gets to choose in which state to sue, meaning that they can choose the state in which they are most likely to have a favorable outcome.
The days of ownership are coming to an end.
That's because you're calculator is 10% more accurate than theirs. It's on another /. post.
When I see the word bestiality, I think "BEST-e-ality". It sounds like something you'd aspire to and brag to your friends about.
How were they giving it away in the first place? If you go to Sun's website and try to download Star Office normally, it's $70. So how was Google able to give it away for free, and why isn't "sun wanted cash" a possible explanation for Google dropping the product?
So have you never met a racist who tries to pass himself off as more enlightened than the rest of us? Someone whose preconceived notion is purely an academic interest?
I can't tell you how many times I have had conversations that began with someone saying "I'm not racist but", and then the person goes off into some explanation of why racists really are correct. The only problem is that is is based on stereotypes, rather then evidence.
But, I would be curious, then. Of the racists you have encountered, are they more out in the open, or are you someone who believes that racism no longer exists?
Actually, I have a problem with a country founded on Freedom forcing children to risk their lives.
But this is different. Judging by the number of people whining that they may have to work in a soup kitchen, pick up litter, etc, then maybe we would be better off if people had to spend some time thinking of someone other than themselves.