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Study Finds iPhone Twice As Reliable As BlackBerry

An anonymous reader writes "As reported at TechCrunch, 'The iPhone is twice as reliable as the BlackBerry after one year of ownership, a new study by SquareTrade finds. SquareTrade, which sells extra warranties for cell phones and other devices, looked at the failure rates of 15,000 phones covered under its plans. The malfunction rate for iPhones after one year is 5.6 percent, compared to 11.2 percent for the BlackBerry and 16.2 percent for the Treo.' The full report (pdf) can be found at the SquareTrade site."

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  1. OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by negRo_slim · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What is considered a malfunction? And perhaps having the latest and greatest object of the year inspires people to treat the phone with a little more care?

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    1. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by dreamchaser · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not to mention that most Blackberry users have devices paid for by their employer. The majority of iPhone users buy their own phones.

    2. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 2, Informative

      perhaps having the latest and greatest object of the year inspires people to treat the phone with a little more care?

      Not in my case. I've dropped my iPhone 3G several times, including a three-foot fall onto a hard surface--twice. The shiny bezel got a little scratched but the phone works fine.

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    3. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by mewshi_nya · · Score: 3, Informative

      Basically, having dealt with SquareTrade (they're actually a pretty decent company, by the way), anything that causes the phone to stop working normally, such as broken screen, broken keyboard, broken battery, broken... well, anything that can't be fixed by the user.

    4. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In the first TFA the failures are seperated by like components/subsystems. The logically strange thing is that the catagory with the highest failure rate across all 3 brands is "screen/keypad/touchpad". I'd wait a couple more years for more reliable iPhone faulure data to be gathered, it's hard to compare one inoperable button with an erratic touchscreen(don't know about the treo, but iPhone alphanumerics must be entered with the touchscreen as opposed to the crackberry's button-keypad.

    5. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by linumax · · Score: 4, Informative
      If you bother to read the report (yeah I know this is Slashdot) you'd get the answer:

      We divided reported malfunctions into the following problem categories:

      • Software / Features. Includes operating system lockups, frozen applications, voice recognition software, etc.
      • Battery Problems. Primarily batteries that fail to hold a charge.
      • Bluetooth / Camera / Accessories. Includes functional components that are part of the handset.
      • Antenna / Hardware / Casing. Includes all physical integrity issues.
      • Screen / Keypad / Touchpad. Includes burn-in, screen spots, dead pixels, and touch screen dead spots.
      • Call Issues. Includes outbound calling, call reception, poor call quality, dropped calls and microphone issues.
      • Power Issues. Includes power connectors, powering on/off, and inability to stay on.
      • Other. Other issues, not categorized above.

      And, regarding the level of care, and how accident prone iPhones are:

      As it turns out, an iPhone user is more than twice as likely to experience an iPhone failure due to accidental damage than through a handset malfunction. An astounding 12% of iPhone owners have reported a failure due to accidental damage at the 1 year mark, and nearly a quarter of all iPhone owners can be expected to have their phone fail from an accident by the end of 2 years. This accident rate is higher than the 9% accident rate reported on all other phones by one-third...

      Personally, I see and use the iPhone as an appliance, not as a platform, which is what a real Smartphone is. iPhone is not in the same league, and comparisons of this kind, while informative to some extent fail to provide any significant insights.

    6. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by mrsteveman1 · · Score: 1

      I'd be more worried about that glass.....

    7. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by darkmeridian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My coworkers and I get our Blackberries through the firm, and you'd be surprised how many old-model Blackberries get dropped once the new models become available. "Only the partners have the new ones?" "Yeah. We're relying on attrition to wear down the associates' Blackberries." Next day. "I need a new Blackberry. I dropped mine."

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    8. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 1

      That's what I thought too, but it seems to hold up okay.

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    9. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by dreamchaser · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yep, I've seen the same thing many times. That was my point. I'd say a sizeable minority of Blackberry 'failures' are people angling to upgrade to the latest greatest model.

    10. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention that most Blackberry users have devices paid for by their employer. The majority of iPhone users buy their own phones.

      I bought my 7100T. I think it rebooted/crashed maybe 6 times in the 5 years I had it. I finally got rid of it once I cracked the screen by walking into a door knob.

      I'm on a motoRizr now, running java versions of what I need until I decide to pick up a G1. I had an HTC 7501, but it was just too big to leave in a pocket.

    11. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Crudely_Indecent · · Score: 1

      This is along the lines of my immediate thoughts after reading this article. I own a Blackberry and haven't had a single issue with it.

      I won't own an iPhone for reasons I won't detail here, but one of them is price.

      I'm less likely to care about a phone that costs me $30 vs my Blackberry that cost me nearly $300

      Now, when they detail failure rates, are they referring to actual failures or user ineptitude?

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    12. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by renegadesx · · Score: 3, Interesting

      With 3G Smartphones being so commonplace these days is Blackberry even relevent anymore?

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    13. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by syousef · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Not to mention that most Blackberry users have devices paid for by their employer. The majority of iPhone users buy their own phones.

      Regardless of who bought it, which would you spend more time protecting? Your personal entertainment device that lets you listen to music etc. or the virtual servant bell which forces you to check your email regularly out of hours and which few people use for personal calls.

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    14. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Seriously? iPhone, Windows Mobile, and PalmOS are the only real smartphone platforms. Android may yet prove itself, but Blackberry has the worst development tools and developer community there is. It's big expensive enterprise apps and 1 billion different Solitaire games for $19.99 each.

      The iPhone on the other hand, while it has those billions of redundant solitaire games: they're free, and otherwise has an ever improving mixture of enterprise type, reasonably priced, and free apps of all types. Oh, and Apple lets you write native code with the same APIs they use, rather than forcing you to use Java.

      I'm still skeptical about Android for the same reason, Java-only for 3rd party development. Since it's open source someone could technically "fork" it to a platform that allows native coding, but that'd be it's own thing and not have the industry backing. So far "just fork it" hasn't worked in creating a mass market force for OSS systems on the workstations, and it won't be any different on smartphones.

    15. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by daBass · · Score: 5, Interesting

      While no denying your comment, I doubt many companies like yours would be using extra warranty services like this. I am sure SquareTrade's statistics only includes those insured by them - most likely individuals and small businesses.

      So the abuse by enterprise users likely does not come into these figures.

    16. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      My coworkers and I get our Blackberries through the firm, and you'd be surprised how many old-model Blackberries get dropped once the new models become available. "Only the partners have the new ones?" "Yeah. We're relying on attrition to wear down the associates' Blackberries." Next day. "I need a new Blackberry. I dropped mine."

      I had a horrible accident with a Blackberry and a prototype mass driver at the lab. When my supervisor offered to have it repaired I handed him a Dust Buster and pointed to a smudge on the wall.

    17. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by popo · · Score: 1, Interesting

      "an iPhone user is more than twice as likely to experience an iPhone failure due to accidental damage than through a handset malfunction."

      Because when you drop the Blackberry your company bought for you, you claim it "just broke". When you drop the iPhone you paid for yourself, you're comfortable admitting that you dropped it.

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    18. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by RedWizzard · · Score: 0, Troll

      Personally, I see and use the iPhone as an appliance, not as a platform, which is what a real Smartphone is. iPhone is not in the same league...

      Interesting opinion. Care to elaborate?

    19. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by lucifuge31337 · · Score: 1

      I dropped my old one from a boat I was look at to buy on the trailer onto a concrete garage floor (about 7 feet up from where it was on my belt). Bezel scratch. Nothing else. Was loading the same boat on to the trailer a few months after I bought it and had forgotten the phone was in my pocket. That was the end of it. Irrelevant comment: I'd still have it now - I have the 3G, and it's really not doing anything for me that the old one didn't.

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    20. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by jellomizer · · Score: 0, Troll

      I don't think so. Have you ever used an iPhone for any period of time? These things are quite solid. Just pick one up and they feel heavy to their size. As well as little moving buttons vs. Hundreds of buttons on a blackberry and a scroll ball which has all the problems that a mechnical muse will have plus being stored in your pocket. Also even though you may pay slot for it after the newness factor wares off you tend to treat it like any other device.

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    21. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by More_Cowbell · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ... well, anything that can't be fixed by the user.

      Just out of curiosity what exactly would you call a user fixable part on a cell phone?
      Aside from the few phones that have interchangeable outer covers, I can't think of a single thing. Not like they sell parts at Radio Shack...

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    22. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by amiga500 · · Score: 5, Funny

      An executive at my employer recently had to have his Blackberry replaced after his wife threw it against a wall while they were on vacation.

    23. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Lucky75 · · Score: 1

      Dropping it is one thing, but those blackberries are pretty much indestructible. I've dropped by blackberry out of my pocket and onto the pavement going 90km/h in a Go-Cart and it was still on and receiving emails during the time between when I dropped it and when I found it (and after still, obviously). I've also accidentally almost dropped it, tried to catch/swipe at it, and thrown it into a brick wall and had it still work the same. Most of the ACTUAL problems come from people installing random software which breaks the device or changing permissions on some key component.

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    24. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Sillygates · · Score: 1

      What is considered a malfunction? And perhaps having the latest and greatest object of the year inspires people to treat the phone with a little more care?

      I would consider durability a major point of reliability for a phone. Its a device that you carry around with you, it should be able to stand up to being banged around a bit.

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    25. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by timrichardson · · Score: 1

      Well speaking as an iPhone user I got to say - BlackBerrys suck.

      Speaking as a BlackBerry user, I agree. My reference is a series of Nokias, which the BalckBerrry has taught me to appreciate. The BlackBerry user interface ... well, I love to read documentation, but I hate to have to read it.

    26. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd imagine some of this is that iPhones look like they'd break more easily, thus people tend to coddle them more than a company owned Blackberry. Most iPhones I see are in protective cases. Can't say the same for Blackberries. Nonetheless, the figures are interesting...but, as my old statistics professor used to say, there are lies, damn lies, and statistics.

    27. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      With 3G Smartphones being so commonplace these days is Blackberry even relevent anymore?

      Yes. The Blackberry platform remains the best mobile data system by far. Strong encryption, fully audited, free dev kits, no restrictions on what you do with it, push email, strong control of the devices by central IT policy, and outstanding integration with Exchange, Notes or GroupWise. Even supports PGP or S/MIME email for additional paranoia.

      Unlike the iphone or googlephone, no one can remove apps from your blackberry (aside from your IT people).

      Now, you might not be interested in all these features, but nothing else comes close.

    28. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by nine-times · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Right. Research suggests that the iPhone are reliable, so their methods must be wrong. Because I know a guy who's iPhone broke, and we all hate Apple anyway, so lets be as dismissive as we can.

      It couldn't possibly be because the devices are durable and designed pretty well.

    29. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      What kind of phone call were you waiting on that you couldn't leave the phone in your car? Power tools + boats = phone stays in car, or (dry) sink in the boat.

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    30. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by lucifuge31337 · · Score: 1

      I wasn't waiting on any call. There is no one listening on marine VHF bands on most of the Delaware River. If you need help or a tow, you have to make a phone call or swim to shore. I normally put it in a plastic bag. I was stupid, broke my normal procedure, and put it in my pocket as I was loading the boat.

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    31. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by renegadesx · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think its funny that I got modded flamebait despite it was a legit question! I could see how it could be interpreted as a troll but flamebait?

      It's just I have found Blackberry to be a pain to maintain and just really expensive. Eventually we just went made do with Exchange, for push email in Exchange/Outlook mobile, that can be done (I dont know about Groupwise) and we were already paying for exchange to begin with. We just felt that was good enough so we phased out Blackberry and got everyone O2's, this was about 05 when smartphones were just starting to come out in the mainstream so the end users loved it (except the first model O2 XDA Atom's caused headaches) If you are paranoid with IT security and/or are a Notes shop I can see your point but for 90% of the market I would consider an Exchange shop to be "good enough".

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    32. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Smauler · · Score: 1

      My phone got a malfunction - it's scratched to shit, is ancient, and has one of my hairs siiting behind the screen*. The weird thing is, it still does the two things I ask of it - make phone calls and keep battery charge (for about a week or so). Until it dies, or something else comes on the market I actually want from a phone, it's perfect. Screw fangled crap, I just want to reliably be able to make calls and have good battery life.

      If others want other things from their phones, that is fine. I just want reliability with calls.

      FWIW, Blackberry vs iPhone is a false comparison anyway - there are bound to be some crap blackberry products, purely because the reins on the iPhone are that much tighter. However, there are bound to some better blackberry prducts IMO because the reins are slightly looser.

      * Fortunately it's just a normal hair - I do think I'd probably draw the line at looking at one of my pubic hairs every time I picked up my phone

    33. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by byornski · · Score: 1

      Screens are replaceable from broken phones on ebay. I replaced mine when it cracked for £20.
      Im sure I still count as a "user"...

    34. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      I manage the BES at work, and I see something similar where I'm at. Not dropping them, but just claiming that "It doesn't work right. I want a new one.". Generally, this is (I suspect) a user training issue (to put it politely). A higher up claims that something doesn't work on their BlackBerry. They send it over via an assistant, who hasn't used it so can't show me EXACTLY what is wrong with it (naturally the actual user is too busy to spend any time showing us what's wrong themselves - or to even take the time out to write a detailed description beyond "It doesn't work right."). When I try out the device myself - works perfectly. Can't find a thing wrong. So, it gets sent back. Couple weeks later, more "it doesn't work right". An assistant brings it back over, repeat process. When a new model comes out, they contact purchasing and insist that their old model isn't working right so they need a new one. Same cycle ensues with newer model. Several users have done some variation of this, but I have one who is on their 4th Blackberry now, and each and every one of the old ones has appeared fine when I've checked it out after the fact.

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    35. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by renegadesx · · Score: 1

      Funny, twitter thinks I work for Microsoft!

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    36. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by darth+dickinson · · Score: 1

      Also, compare the user base of the BlackBerry vs. the iPhone.

    37. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Or it might be that people actually carry their iPhones around more places. Which would you take with you when you go out, your work e-mail or your iPod?

      Or it could be that iPhones are more fragile, but that hasn't been my experience.

    38. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      most every cell phone company outsources their warranty coverage to a third party.

      i have phone coverage through verizon, but it's not verizon who covers the warranties.

    39. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by nxtw · · Score: 0, Troll

      I'm still skeptical about Android for the same reason, Java-only for 3rd party development. Since it's open source someone could technically "fork" it to a platform that allows native coding, but that'd be it's own thing and not have the industry backing. So far "just fork it" hasn't worked in creating a mass market force for OSS systems on the workstations, and it won't be any different on smartphones.

      You *are* using the same APIs on the BlackBerry and Android.

      Apple doesn't "let" you write native code with the same APIs they use -- you have to if you want to follow their rules (and run your own software on unhacked devices.) This is the same for BlackBerry and Android; it just happens that the language you have to use is Java. In some ways, iPhone software is more limited than BlackBerry software.

      On the other hand, Windows Mobile, Symbian, and PalmOS all support languages other than the one they were developed in. There are JVMs for all platforms to run J2ME software. Windows Mobile supports .NET. I believe there's Python interpreters for Windows Mobile and Symbian.

    40. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by spyowl · · Score: 4, Informative

      Don't get me wrong, I have a Blackberry and I like it; but let's not start giving each other blowjobs just yet:

      no restrictions on what you do with it

      Can't do VoIP apps - restricted by RIM.

      outstanding integration with Exchange...

      Purchase/licensing and maintenance of a separate Blackberry enterprise server required. Note that iPhone integrates w/Exchange without requiring you to license/maintain this component.

    41. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

      Personally, I see and use the iPhone as an appliance, not as a platform, which is what a real Smartphone is. iPhone is not in the same league, and comparisons of this kind, while informative to some extent fail to provide any significant insights.
      What is the difference, how does this effect the end result, and are you saying the iPhone is superior or worse?

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    42. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just out of curiosity what exactly would you call a user fixable part on a cell phone?
      Aside from the few phones that have interchangeable outer covers, I can't think of a single thing. Not like they sell parts at Radio Shack...

      Easy to find parts with google. You can even find how-to videos. You can fix quite a few things with a little skill.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiIl19G74C0&feature=related

      http://pdaparts.com/

    43. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by PCM2 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Regardless of who bought it, which would you spend more time protecting? Your personal entertainment device that lets you listen to music etc. or the virtual servant bell which forces you to check your email regularly out of hours and which few people use for personal calls.

      In all fairness, modern BlackBerry handsets do audio and video. Mine even has a 3.5mm headphone jack. Many also come equipped with cameras (although people who need to go places that don't allow cameras can get ones without). It's also good for surfing the Web, and although it comes equipped with a pretty decent mapping application, Google Maps is even better. As for personal calls, well, I really just don't enjoy being on the phone that much. But if I was somewhere away from home and I needed to make a phone call, I imagine pulling my BlackBerry out of my pocket, dialing a number, and holding it to my ear would be the simplest way to do it. Why wouldn't I?

      What's more, all modern BlackBerry handsets have an Auto On/Off feature. If you're really so concerned, have it switch itself off at 6pm and come back on in the morning.

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    44. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      "iPhone integrates w/Exchange without requiring you to license/maintain this component" ...and as such you don't reap the benefits that the enterprise server gives you such as end to end encryption and content compression.

      The GP is right. iPhone does email in the most basic sense of the word, but when it comes to enterprise class email, RIM is the only game in town by a large margin.

    45. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      Can't do VoIP apps - restricted by RIM.

      I can't find any documentation of that. Got a citation to share? You may be talking about older models that relied more on WAP and RIM's private network, rather than the new IP/WiFi enabled ones.

      Even if RIM has been against third-party VoIP apps on the handsets, however, T-Mobile offers UMA service on the latest BlackBerry models. If you're within WiFi range, your calls go over the WiFi instead of the cellular network. Normally these calls still get counted against your standard minutes, but if you pay an extra fee per month, WiFi usage is unlimited.

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    46. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same thing happened at my company with laptops, they would all start "breaking" once the shiny new models came out and had been approved as a replacement.

    47. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Tacvek · · Score: 1

      User replaceable parts, in the sense he was using, would mostly likely user-replaceable faceplates, power adapters, docks, USB cables, and SIM cards. In other words: accessories and SIM cards.

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    48. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by syousef · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What's more, all modern BlackBerry handsets have an Auto On/Off feature. If you're really so concerned, have it switch itself off at 6pm and come back on in the morning.

      Most people don't have a problem with the device. Even getting into the habbit of manually switching it off wouldn't be too much to ask. What's more difficult is managing your boss' expectation that the thing is on. For that very reason I don't want a Crackberry.

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    49. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      My iPhone has been through more abuse than any other phone I've had. Primarily because I bought one of those velcro closing cases and the velcro went bad - it fell in the street 3 times while I was jogging across, and took a 2 story fall onto concrete on an outside terrace while I was running up the stairs.

      The aluminum case has some nasty scars in it, and the screen has a scratch near the speaker, but that's it. It's really not as fragile as I would have thought.

    50. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is worth noticing that both PalmOS and Windows Mobile are primarily PDA platforms, and only secondarily Smartphone platforms. This is why virtually every phone with those OS's let the user run arbitrary code. The users expect it, since both OS's have always let users run any arbitrary code in the PDA devices, and so expect the same in the Smartphones.

      On the other hand, my understanding is that many (but not all) symbian devices are locked down, so that the user can run only approved apps. (Usually more as a way to charge app-rental fees, or other such crap).

    51. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by PCM2 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Really?

      Boss: Did you get my email?

      Me: Not yet, I just got in.

      Boss: I sent it at 9pm last night.

      Me: Ah, that must be it. I left at 6. So what's up?

      Is that so hard? In my experiences, bosses might expect all kinds of things, but rational people generally have a pretty good grip on what is reasonable to expect and what is not -- unless you give them other ideas.

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    52. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by spyowl · · Score: 1

      You are right - RIM gives access to their telephony functions to carriers, not to the 3rd party developers. That's what I meant. That is why you don't have Skype, Gizmo, or any other true VoIP clients on Blackberries, even via WiFi.

      Here's their API. You can't program a phone with it.

    53. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by pcolaman · · Score: 1

      Jesus, you people hate your phones. I got the G1 and I guard this thing with my life. Well, mostly because of the $130 deductible on the insurance.

    54. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by LoudMusic · · Score: 1

      "I need a new Blackberry. I dropped mine."

      No shit - I had a new guy ask if he could get a better laptop than the one I assigned to him. I said no, these still a year or two in them before we get new ones. Less than a week later he brought it to me completely crushed.

      "Yeah, I was putting stuff in my trunk, had the laptop bag behind me, and a truck ran over the whole thing and just took off."

      Too bad for him it was covered under Dell Complete Care and they just happened to have an identical one in the refurb bin. More of the same, assface! He ended up quitting about a month later.

      Fucking prima donnas.

      In hindsight I should have gone CSI on him. Asked to see the bag, match the tread to his own tire. Send him a bill for $1,600.

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    55. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by pcolaman · · Score: 1

      I have never used an iPhone so I won't speak on it (shocking that a slashdot user has no opinion on something they haven't used, right?) but I tested out a Blackberry at a Verizon store when I was looking to replace my jacked up Moto Q. I admittedly only spent about 20 minutes with it, but that's all I needed to decide that while it's probably an excellent phone for corporate VPs, it was not a very enjoyable interface at all, IMO. I have since switched away from Verizon (as most of their phones are pure garbage) and gotten a G1. Love it so far, although it has a few flaws, and hoping for Flash to come to the G1 eventually (at least Google is open to the idea if someone can get Flash working for it, Apple is against both Flash and Silverlight on the iPhone)

    56. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by CountBrass · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      "strong control of devices by central IT policy"

      "no one can remove apps from your blackberry" ...which apparently means...

      "no restrictions on what you do with it"

      Did you even read this while you were typing it? I can understand people being fan boys of shinies they chose and bought but being a fan boy for a corporate tool is kind of sad.

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    57. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by pcolaman · · Score: 1

      That's also something I like about the G1. Although in the pics it looks like it might not feel durable, when you hold the phone, you are amazed by how solid it feels. Even the slider on the G1 feels very solid and durable, which was shocking to me because I totally expected it to feel flimsy. Now granted, it probably weighs more than any most cell phones, but IMO that's a good thing in the case of the G1. Now if they just would've put a 3.5mm jack on it...

    58. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by pcolaman · · Score: 1

      Man, you totally could've left out the fact that you have a hair under the screen and your post would've still been pretty credible. Is there a -1:Eww?

    59. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by linhux · · Score: 3, Informative

      iPhone uses SSL for IMAP by default, and I'd be surprised if the Exchange connection isn't encrypted as well. Most Exchange users will use the built-in VPN support to access their Exchange e-mail. That said, you are probably right in that RIM is the only player in the enterprise, but "end-to-end encryption" seems like a bad example.

    60. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just out of curiosity what exactly would you call a user fixable part on a cell phone?

      Anything that a software update could correct. As the hardware team says in my company: "Anything that can be fixed by software is a software bug." Even when it is the hardware team that screwed up.

    61. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by More_Cowbell · · Score: 1

      1."with a little skill." = excludes most cell phone users.
      2. The first thing noted in the video you linked is that it voids the warranty. This does not count as user fixable, IMHO. Who wants to void the warranty on a $700 phone?

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    62. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by syousef · · Score: 1

      Boss: I sent it at 9pm last night.

      Me: Ah, that must be it. I left at 6. So what's up?

      Boss: I expect you to be contactable in case of a production problem.

      Me: I don't want to do that.

      Boss: That wasn't a request. It's a requirement for the job.

      Me: I won't do that.

      Boss: Okay, consider this your 2 weeks notice.

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    63. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by afidel · · Score: 1

      We had about a 15% failure rate in the first MONTH with the Blackberry 8800. Really nice when you've rolled out a couple hundred of them =( At the time it was the latest and greatest so there was no incentive for people to break them for another unit. Since then we have seen a lower failure rate with the replacement units but that first batch really sucked. Of course we never got an admission of high failure rates from AT&T but for some reason they've had no problem replacing them out of warranty for us....

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    64. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Fluffeh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Either way, on in twenty iPhones and one in ten blackberry's? That's disgraceful. Could you imagine if one in ten intel chips failed within their first year? How about one in ten hard drives? How about one in ten cars/planes/boats?

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    65. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by lymond01 · · Score: 1

      iPhones are nothing if not slippery -- though I guess the 3G version is less so. I haven't dropped mine out of my hands but I have had it slip out of my pocket. Running across the street it took a trip to the pavement twice and fell off the counter onto a tile floor once. Result? A couple 1/8 inch scratches on the bottom of the phone. It is also nothing if not durable.

      This message sent from iPhone.

    66. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Symbian?

    67. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. Does an iPhone running on AT&T's very unreliable network in NYC with breaking calls and just about any basement without reception count as a malfunction? I haven't heard very good things about AT&T in many other big cities either. And those cities are exactly the places that you'd be using 3G networks.

      I don't have a very good image of Verizon given their business practices, but the most important thing about a phone to me is, quite surprisingly... its VOICE capabilities. Anything else is just a convenience, and I do real work at my desk or on a laptop.

    68. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by felipekk · · Score: 1

      Purchase/licensing and maintenance of a separate Blackberry enterprise server required. Note that iPhone integrates w/Exchange without requiring you to license/maintain this component.

      You could say the same thing for the BlackBerry. You can use the BlackBerry Internet email option to sync through Outlook Web Access for e-mail. For calendar/address book you would still need to use the Desktop Manager. Those are all free.

      Do you have a paid, professional grade sync option for the iPhone?

    69. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by dropadrop · · Score: 1

      Either way, on in twenty iPhones and one in ten blackberry's? That's disgraceful. Could you imagine if one in ten intel chips failed within their first year? How about one in ten hard drives?

      How about one in ten / twenty notebooks? Still pretty high, but we have gotten far higher rates from Acer notebooks (and first revisions of new Mac models).

      How about one in ten cars/planes/boats?

      The stats I've seen for cars that need service (not just normal service, but repairs) within the first year or two have stated higher rates for almost all brands. One in twenty is probably among the top 30 car models sold in Europe, but I would guess that almost every brand will have some model with a failure rate at least so high (note car failures are usually counted by 2-3year olds).

    70. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Purchase/licensing and maintenance of a separate Blackberry enterprise server required. Note that iPhone integrates w/Exchange without requiring you to license/maintain this component.

      don't get me wrong but iPhone Exchange and RIM Exchange intergration are completely different levels of quality.

    71. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Also, if you drop your under warranty Blackberry to get a new one, you're much more likely to just be out a Blackberry until your repaired or replaced version comes back.

    72. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by wiz_80 · · Score: 1

      Personally I never could get on with Nokia UIs. (Sony) Ericsson was what I started with, and what I stuck with until work gave me a Crackberry.

      I have to say, I like it because it Just Works. It has one major task, namely to let me send & receive e-mail, and it succeeds enormously at that.

      Beyond that, mine is quite customized: custom theme, third-party apps, all that. The UI does take a moment to learn, and the lack of better Office and PDF viewers does hurt, but basically it's a perfect work phone.

      As for the iPhone, I didn't buy one as I don't need a second phone, but I have an iPod Touch, and that is very cool. However, it is not aimed at the same target as the Blackberry. Arguing the merits of one against the other is even more pointless IMHO than Windows vs Mac vs Linux flame-wars.

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    73. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Maybe you enjoying sucking your boss's cock on demand but the rest of us don't live to work.

    74. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by spyowl · · Score: 1

      You could also attach a paper calendar with a velcro ® at the back of the Blackberry and call it the "100% Exchange integration" feature. Hey, it's "paid" and "professional grade."

    75. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by spyowl · · Score: 1

      Exactly. If you are comparing the iPhone handset vs. the Blackberry handset you are absolutely right - they are completely different "levels of quality" - as in iPhone does it and Blackberry doesn't.

      On the other hand, if you are comparing the Exchange integration between the iPhone handset vs. the Blackberry enterprise server, then you are comparing two different animals - and you at least have to briefly mention the fact.

    76. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by LKM · · Score: 1

      5% is about normal for consumer devices.

    77. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Approximately 1 in 20 hard disks do fail in their first year. I have it from a family member who worked in sales for one of the largest HDD manufacturers in the world that HDDs have a 5% chance of randomly failing in any given year which equates to 1 in 20 in any year.

    78. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by hmar · · Score: 1

      Most of the ACTUAL problems come from people installing random software which breaks the device or changing permissions on some key component.

      Which Apple does not allow on the iPhone. Also, aren't these numbers a little skewed? I am pretty sure you can buy Apple Care for the iPhone, so I wouldn't think the insurance company would have all that much data.

    79. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Octorian · · Score: 1

      You do know the latest BlackBerry models will do 3G, right?

    80. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I would honestly be surprised if 1 in 20 cars didn't have a major service in the first year. If you had seen and understood some of the ridiculously janky things automakers do, you would be surprised too. Service typically accounts for around 10% of a dealer's revenue (and maybe 30-40% of their profit!) and almost no one ever brings a car they don't think is covered by warranty (dealers say it's the first three years or so) to the dealer. On the other hand, the "big three" say that service revenue is falling substantially, because fewer new cars are on the road and because they are making more reliable cars today, since the Japanese were eating their lunch.

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    81. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by drinkypoo · · Score: 0

      If you are paranoid with IT security and/or are a Notes shop I can see your point

      If you are paranoid about security, what the hell are you doing trusting Exchange or Crackberries? Smartphones support SSL and you can run your own IMAP server.

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    82. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      5% is about normal for consumer devices.

      So, what you're saying is that Apple and RIM devices have a much higher than normal rate of failure?

      One would think that two companies with such stellar reputations would do better than average rather than worse.

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    83. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Approximately 1 in 20 hard disks do fail in their first year.

      I must be charmed. I have bought more than 30 hard drives in the past 2 years and not a single one of them has failed.

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    84. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Octorian · · Score: 1

      Having recently attended this event, I can say that RIM is dead-serious about improving their platform for developers. Also, quit your bitching about Java. On the BlackBerry, anyways, Java *is* the native platform! The OS is essentially a JVM, and even the built-in apps run on it. This means that the apps you write in Java can look/feel exactly the same as all the built-in apps, and use all the same device features.

      On the area of developer tools, everyone already agrees the IDE that RIM provides is junk. This is why few people out there actually use it. This is also why RIM is in the process of developing an Eclipse plugin that integrates their debugging and build tools so no one ever has to touch their IDE again.

    85. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I would honestly be surprised if 1 in 20 cars didn't have a major service in the first year.

      So maybe there's room for an automaker to come along and do a lot better and clean up in the marketplace?

      I keep hearing about how our auto industry is in the toilet and they need a quarter-trillion dollar loan from the government (us) to keep going and I wonder if there aren't some entrepreneurs out there who could build reasonably priced, well-built cars that were really efficient and looked cool and who could become the next "Big Three". This won't happen, of course, because of the belief that GM, Ford, etc must be helped because they are "too big to let fail".

      Whenever I hear that some corporation or bank is "too big to fail" I always think that means they are "too big to exist".

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    86. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are paranoid about security, what the hell are you doing trusting Exchange or Crackberries? Smartphones support SSL and you can run your own IMAP server.

      Why should I trust a smartphone? Iphone & googlephone have known backdoors from the manufacturer. Does your smartphone store email on the device in encrypted form? Do they support remote lock & remote wipe like a blackberry?

      On the other hand, Blackberries have been audited & certified from end-to-end by many organziations:

      NATO, Fraunhofer Institute for Secure Information Technology (Germany), Communications Security Establishment (Canada), Communications Electronic Security Group (UK), Center for Secure Information Technology (Austria), Defense Signals Directorate (Australia), Government Communications Security Bureau (New Zealand), National Institute of Standards and Technology (United States), Turkish Standards Institute (Turkey).

      Who certified your smartphone?

    87. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "strong control of devices by central IT policy"

      "no one can remove apps from your blackberry" ...which apparently means...

      "no restrictions on what you do with it"

      Did you even read this while you were typing it? I can understand people being fan boys of shinies they chose and bought but being a fan boy for a corporate tool is kind of sad.

      Read again, it is entirely consistent.

      "strong control of devices by central IT policy" - BY THE DEVICE OWNER
      "no one can remove apps from your blackberry" - EXCEPT THE DEVICE OWNER
      "no restrictions on what you do with it" - EXCEPT FOR RESTRICTIONS PLACED ON IT BY THE DEVICE OWNER

      Note that with the blackberry, the owner controls it. With the iphone, Apple controls it.

    88. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I keep hearing about how our auto industry is in the toilet and they need a quarter-trillion dollar loan from the government (us) to keep going and I wonder if there aren't some entrepreneurs out there who could build reasonably priced, well-built cars that were really efficient and looked cool and who could become the next "Big Three". This won't happen, of course, because of the belief that GM, Ford, etc must be helped because they are "too big to let fail".

      And by helped you must mean "granted a virtual monopoly on auto production in the US". Or at least a piece thereof.

      Whenever I hear that some corporation or bank is "too big to fail" I always think that means they are "too big to exist".

      A situation like that is like going to war - by the time you're fighting, you have already failed. Allowing a corporation to get so big means that We The People have FAILED in our jobs as citizens. Myself included.

      Our government "of the people" helped the big three automakers destroy the working public transportations which predated our all-auto culture. We are all complicit - we let it happen in the name of "personal freedom". Every state in the union has laws to allow it to take your car away on basically any pretext, even if you weren't driving it at the time. So much for freedom.

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    89. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, Blackberries have been audited & certified from end-to-end by many organziations:

      Actually, if *I* can't audit the code, then I don't believe in the audit. For all I know it's a rubberstamp and I cannot prove otherwise, period.

      Who certified your smartphone?

      Nobody, but then, if you're really worried about security then you have the (recent) option to use a Linux smartphone, or pair a simple bluetooth-enabled cellphone with a Linux-installed PDA.

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    90. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by limaxray · · Score: 1

      I must be cursed. I've bought less than 10 hard drives in the past 5 years, and have had 2 fail within the first year.

    91. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well I bet if you pretended a hard drive was your cell phone and carried it around all day, you would most certainly accidentally drop it at some point.

    92. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is also Blackberry redirector. It is free, and sends the e-mail from an open copy of outlook to your blackberry. Not as clean as an iPhone solution, but it doesn't cost anything extra.

    93. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by DurendalMac · · Score: 1

      We're talking about mobile devices. You know, small, handheld gizmos that people carry around in one hand all the time...and drop them on the ground, and into toilets, and from moving cars...you get the point. A healthy chunk of mobile device failures are due to user abuse.

    94. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      Oh, and Apple lets you write native code with the same APIs they use, rather than forcing you to use Java.

      So I have the choice to use Java on the Iphone if I want, right? I mean, if you're saying it's deserving of smartphone status, I assume it now has all of those features that even bog standard cheap non-smartphones provide, right?

      My bog standard cheap phone can run "those billions of redundant solitaire games" btw, for free. As well as a lot more besides. Almost all phones can.

      I don't understand why this story just focuses on the Iphone versus the BlackBerry - "Iphone more reliable than only one other phone" - how on earth is that news?

    95. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Asic+Eng · · Score: 2, Informative
      If you are really that important for your boss, then he won't fire you that easily either. You are correct of course, there are unreasonable managers around - however that doesn't mean you can never stand up for yourself. Most people (even managers) are not unreasonable. You need to make sure that you assert your rights - don't make it into a fight though, just state your position calmly.

      Think about it - your manager's performance ratings depends usually on yours. If his team is not productive then he is seen to be a failure. If he needs to replace you, he needs to spend time finding a replacement - he loses the experience you have, he runs the risk not finding someone equally qualified. There could even be a hiring freeze on, and that means he'll be a manager of a smaller team. If he's interested in his career, that's something he wants to avoid - headcount looks good on his resume. You are not without leverage in this situation.

    96. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whaddya mean "either way"?? The parent was talking about purposely breaking a Blackberry, as opposed to an un-upgradable iPhone that is handled with kid gloves. Your post is not valid.

    97. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by illumin8 · · Score: 1

      Either way, on in twenty iPhones and one in ten blackberry's? That's disgraceful. Could you imagine if one in ten intel chips failed within their first year? How about one in ten hard drives? How about one in ten cars/planes/boats?

      People abuse the hell out of their cellphones. They drop them on the ground, set heavy objects on top of them, hell, people even throw them across the room in anger. How many computers have to put up with that type of abuse? I'm frankly amazed that it's only 1 in 20 iPhones.

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    98. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by mc900ftjesus · · Score: 1

      "With 3G Smartphones being so commonplace these days is Blackberry even relevent anymore?"

      I can't figure best how to phrase a response given how completely ignorant that statement was. Shut up, stupid.

    99. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Blackberry is a horrible kludge of a GUI (just that nobody had anything better at the time, other than Palm), and the software has had some SERIOUS issues recently.

      How serious? The Blackberry has one unified set of memory used for storage and applications. On the 4.3 version (I know used on the Curves/Pearls, which may not still be the latest shipping version, but was as of a couple of months ago), if the system's memory ran out (from running apps, memory leaks [which the system is rife with], or anything else), it will dump all your messages.

      On a smartphone, one primarily used for sending and receiving email and other messages away from a computer, if you ran out of memory, do you think it would be better to: (a) inform the user that they are out of memory, and terminate the current app, (b) automatically reboot the device in order to clear any memory leaks or failed garbage collection, or (c) dump all of the user's stored messages and continue running the app?

      I'll give you a hint. While (c) is the current behavior, it is NOT the proper behavior. Not for the user that has suddenly lost all of their messages while away from their desk, and not for the poor support staff that continually have to hear from their executive overlords about losing messages on their Blackberries.

    100. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Angostura · · Score: 1

      Speaking as Mr accident-prone, I have a 1st gen iPod Touch. I can report that the thing survived being dropped into a toilet bowl quite nicely, and also an incident that sent it skidding face down about 3 meters along a pavement.

    101. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Captain+Fallout · · Score: 1

      Funny story, I was actually at a July 4th party with a group of people from work this year. An executive and an assistant PM that were attending both had Blackberry 8700s and were trying to find a way to upgrade them to either Pearls or Curves.

      Well after a few drinks, I noticed a nice shiny 8700 flying through the air into the swimming pool. 2 minutes later, a second one went in the drink as well. The exec said to me, "Ok now we can get new ones." When I asked him what should I tell our telecom group, his response was: "Stress Tests Failed."

      3 days later, they had 2 new Curves.

    102. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice to see you chime in, Mr. Balsillie. May I call you Jim?

    103. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      It doesn't explain why they fail...

      I'm surprised the failure rate of mobile phones isn't a lot higher, people generally carry them around all day every day.. They get dropped, they get wet, they get sat on, exposed to shocks etc... A mobile phone is probably subject to much worse treatment than almost any electronic gadget these days... I try to take care of mine, but i've still managed to drop it a few times.

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    104. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Or lucky... Or just careful.
      Remember, the failure rate is an average... Some people will keep their drives well cooled, some will let them overheat badly... Once a device gets into consumer's hands it's fate is in their hands, so individual cases are not really worth looking at, you need a large sampling to work out the average.

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    105. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Simon+Brooke · · Score: 1

      People abuse the hell out of their cellphones. They drop them on the ground, set heavy objects on top of them, hell, people even throw them across the room in anger. How many computers have to put up with that type of abuse? I'm frankly amazed that it's only 1 in 20 iPhones.

      Exactly. The only cell phone I've ever had fail got caught in the hinge mechanism of a car seat and crushed. My cell phones have been sat on, rained on, dropped in salt water, left out on sandy beaches, been in my back pockets in countless mountain bike falls and one spectacular road bike crash... cell phones are, on the whole, pretty spectacularly robust and reliable. At least, that's my experience.

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    106. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by sgt+scrub · · Score: 1

      Sooooo drunks should buy iphones?

      iKid! :)

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    107. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Simon+Brooke · · Score: 1

      What kind of phone call were you waiting on that you couldn't leave the phone in your car? Power tools + boats = phone stays in car, or (dry) sink in the boat.

      I can remember dealing with a technical support call from a customer, going through some intricacies of a database, and then, noticing I was getting a little too close to a particular island, said 'hang on, got to tack', tacked the boat, and carried on the conversation.

      'What are you doing?' asked my customer.

      'Sailing', I said.

      There was a long pause, and then we went back to talking about his database.

      My phones come with me wherever I'm going. My iPAQ has an Otterbox which I do occasionally use when I'm doing really extreme things, but most of the time I don't bother with it. Cellphones are pretty robust.

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    108. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      Are you hiring? I've already got my foul weather gear ready to go. Also I've got an ssh client on my blackberry if that helps...

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    109. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by binaryspiral · · Score: 3, Interesting

      We had this same problem at the college I work at until the IT department changed up the way we handled this. Now if they "break" a phone we charge the department for phone replacements. You'd be surprised at how few managers of departments are willing to slice $200 off their budget to get a new shiny phone. Or if they do - I don't care, because it doesn't set any of my projects behind any longer.

      Also, we initiated a two year rotation on phones - everyone gets a new one (the same model as the deans and executives) every two years. That cut down on the envy-breakage considerably.

      Your tax payer dollars hard at work...

    110. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Arterion · · Score: 1

      Don't forget about Windows Mobile!

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    111. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sybian?

    112. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by drmemnoch · · Score: 1

      My wife threw mine out the car window as I was checking email when we were on vacation. She told me "They can do without you for two weeks. If they can't, then you deserve a huge raise. You can call your boss next time we stop and give him my cellphone number to call in case of an emergency."

      Best vacation I had in quite a while. Reminded me of the good old days when you could actually go on a business trip and be "out of the office." Now you spend the entire day doing local business, and several hours in the evening handling at the office business. You work more on the road than you do in the office.

      OK, so what if I'm old.

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    113. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 1

      Worked for me (hic)!

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    114. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      With the iphone, Apple controls it.

      Silly AC, no they don't. I jailbreaked mine!

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    115. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Either way, on in twenty iPhones and one in ten blackberry's? That's disgraceful. Could you imagine if one in ten intel chips failed within their first year? How about one in ten hard drives? How about one in ten cars/planes/boats?

      "Failure" does not equal "useless piece of broken plastic." Usually it is a single component or a much larger system that is having trouble. If you have a flat tire you can't drive your car, but you don't throw it away and buy a new car...

      Have you ever read a JD Powers automotive dependability survey? The number one most reliable manufacturer (for over a decade) is Lexus who has about 120 defects per 100 cars over the first three year. Most manufacturers are over 200 defects per 100 cars. If you buy a brand new car today it is almost guaranteed to "fail" within three years.

    116. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by JonDorian88 · · Score: 2, Funny

      See, if it had been an iPhone, she might have just left him for it.

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    117. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Purchase/licensing and maintenance of a separate Blackberry enterprise server required. Note that iPhone integrates w/Exchange without requiring you to license/maintain this component.

      Yes you pay for the server and licensing BUT! it just plain works. Yes iPhone doesn't need a server BUT! it doesn't work all the time with Exchange. We support both and we get a lot more support calls about "I can't get my email." from the iPhone users. Active-Sync ain't so active.

    118. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by ncc74656 · · Score: 1

      Just out of curiosity what exactly would you call a user fixable part on a cell phone?

      It depends on what the meaning of "user fixable" is. :-) I replaced the keyboard in my Treo after spilling a beer on it...cost me about $20 in parts and a few minutes' time. It's been dropped often enough that I've had thoughts of buying a replacement case and transferring the "guts" over to it.

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    119. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      It's reliance upon exchange is what will ultimately kill blackberry or relegate it to a niche...
      While it does have support for Notes and Groupwise, most of the users run exchange, and MS will be pushing those users to run windows mobile based phones. Many of them will do so, as your company did, and if they don't want to MS will sweeten the deal somehow.

      It doesn't matter that the windows mobile stack is theoretically inferior, it's cheaper and will be pushed heavily and blackberry can't really compete with MS, especially when those customers will be buying MS products anyway.

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    120. Re:OMGITSSOOOOOSHINY by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      The iphone communicates with exchange using activesync, which runs over http and therefore can be used over https...
      There is also an open source implementation of activesync called z-push which works with the iphone.

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  2. bias. by Kingrames · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sounds heavily biased.
    There are plenty of people who would wait until there was more than one problem with their iPhone before calling it in for repairs. But those with a blackberry might be more quick to respond to problems.

    Did the study really only count the number of times someone sent their phone in for repairs, or the actual defects in the hardware?

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    1. Re:bias. by powerspike · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have to agree with this totaly. As a business user, if something goes wrong, i want it fixed asap, as it will affect my job in someway (this is a generic view on any device i use as a part of my workflow). As an indivual, I have a itouch, i have had several issues withit, but it still does what i want it to, so i haven't bothered to take it in for repairs yet, but it needs it (the case is coming apart - bad glue?). but you get the point. business users will raise issues alot faster then retail ones.

    2. Re:bias. by lucas+teh+geek · · Score: 2

      There are plenty of people who would wait until there was more than one problem with their iPhone before calling it in for repairs.

      are you joking? the people who buy apple products are generally complete nuts when it comes to returning stuff. shit, I remember ibooks (or were they macbooks?) being returned because of discolouration where you wrists like. discolouration!

      if there's the slightest flaw in an apple product their is almost always an outcry demanding a recall. where are you getting the impression people buying iphones are less fussy than blackberry buyers? because it sure isnt this reality

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    3. Re:bias. by catwh0re · · Score: 5, Informative
      actually, the apple consumers are usually very pedantic about their product and rightly so, the product is usually marketed as a premium item and costs a little more than the competitor.

      So far even minor issues found in the iphone have been turned into a maelstrom of users, fanboys and haters all cashing in their feedback. There are people actively petitioning the iPhone for the following: Canadian pricing, the autocorrection feature having a disable switch, iphone unlocking/drm, 3rd party application NDAs, iphone in china & other providers, chrome for iphone, mms, 802.1x NACS, etc etc.

      The blackberry is not getting anywhere near this much attention, petitions for the blackberry are aimed at the service providers disablement of a particular BB feature.

      However all this vocal activity is a good thing for apple, as it gives them ways they can improve their product.

    4. Re:bias. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      the case is coming apart - bad glue?

      That's not broken. You're one of the lucky ones who got one with a user replaceable battery!

    5. Re:bias. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As an indivual, I have a itouch, i have had several issues withit, [....]

      Mmmmm.... taking into account that the product is called "iPod touch" and that it even says iPod on the back, I honestly doubt you actually have one...

    6. Re:bias. by hax0r_this · · Score: 0

      I'm inclined to agree. Of 3 iPhones in the (college) house I live in, all three are broken in some way, 1 by accidental damage, the other 2 just randomly quit after a while. Our 4th roommate is a Blackberry user who has broken 2 phones (both stupid accidents involving copious amounts of alcohol) since January. But he has some sort of insurance from T-Mobile that allows him to just go into a T-Mobile store and pick up a replacement, no questions asked. And he can even upgrade to a newer version at the same time.

      If those of us with iPhones want them replaced we have to drive 2 hours to the nearest Apple store, deal with one of those annoying "geniuses" and we will hopefully come away with a replacement. Note that replacements are often refurbished.

    7. Re:bias. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.google.com/search?q=itouch

      The very first result is: Apple - iPod touch

      Apparently he's not alone. Hell, even Wiki agrees: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITouch

    8. Re:bias. by mr_josh · · Score: 1

      What would be the motivation for bias?

    9. Re:bias. by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      I have to agree with this totaly[sic].

      You have to totally agree with a posting of speculation and conjecture that would be pointless if you bothered to RTFA?

    10. Re:bias. by powerspike · · Score: 1

      but this is slashdot, you should know better then RTFA

    11. Re:bias. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "SquareTrade, which sells extra warranties for cell phones and other devices, looked at the failure rates of 15,000 phones covered under its plans"

      I imagine anyone who was paying extra for an extended warranty would also want their phone fixed asap.

    12. Re:bias. by Nazlfrag · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the Blackberry is very likely to be of much older stock. Comparing the faults in a 1 year old device and a 4 year old one would logically turn up more faults in the older model.

    13. Re:bias. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That doesn't make that retardard shortcut any less retarded.

    14. Re:bias. by Kingrames · · Score: 1

      accidental would be my guess.

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    15. Re:bias. by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Seriously? You've noticed the number of Apple users returning their iPhones (multiple times) for replacement because there's a cosmetic scratch on the case, right?

    16. Re:bias. by TheJasper · · Score: 1

      I also find the fact that only 3 phones are compared to be a little biased. I currently know nobody with a blackberry and I have never even seen a Treo. I've seen lots of HTC, LG and Nokia (among others) however. How do they compare in this study?

      This definately feels as if someone is doing some fancy footwork with numbers. I'm sure the numbers presented are correct but with these kinds of things there are a million and one ways to manipulate the results and the conclusions.

    17. Re:bias. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My E-mail quit receiving on my BB and I was happy as hell. Then for some reason it just started working again to my disappointment.

    18. Re:bias. by ivan256 · · Score: 1

      Yeah. Bias...

      Or the phone with four moving parts fails less than the phone with a full keypad of moving parts, fails less than the phone with a full keypad of moving parts and an old-tech thin-film touchscreen...

      Doesn't sound like bias to me. Sounds like common sense. If there are more parts to break, it will break more often all other things being equal.

      (the only thing I ever had to replace my Treo for was a worn out key on the thumb board)

  3. excuses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm having a boring day, but am now looking forward to reading the excuses from the apple haters. bring on the comedy gold!

    1. Re:excuses by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 1

      You didn't have to wait long!

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    2. Re:excuses by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      I'm having a boring day, but am now looking forward to reading the excuses from the apple haters. bring on the comedy gold!

      Go back a little further and you'll find a story about the Google Android platform having an exploit. Not only will you find a boo-boo so dumb that Microsoft would point and laugh, but you'll also find modded up comments claiming that it demonstrates how good the platform is. That topic's far more entertaining than this one.

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  4. Or?? by eclectro · · Score: 1, Troll

    Is it because iphone users are more careful with the iphone, not wanting to break their purchase, or use it out of fear of breaking, or use it because it would involve removing it from its shrine?

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    1. Re:Or?? by mevets · · Score: 1

      I can back this up. I am so proud of my iphone that I keep it in a trophy case; I probably wouldn't even know if it didn't work....

    2. Re:Or?? by ThePhilips · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Can't speak of iPhone - I can only say to BlackBerry.

      In my company we have so called "standby support," when people are getting a BlackBerry from company and have to respond to customer calls.

      The amount of abuse BlackBerry can survive is really impressive. Generally, BlackBerrys assigned to standby support pool last for 8-14 months. But the phones rarely have a quiet hour in their lives.

      So my biased theory would be that BlackBerry and Treo are failing more because they are used in business more and thus are open to more abuse.

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    3. Re:Or?? by c_forq · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I actually think a major factor would be fewer points of failure. You have 3 buttons, one switch, the screen, the case, the chip and the battery. I would imagine the failure rate of highly used keyboard buttons on the blackberry would be much higher than the touchscreen.

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  5. Hrm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder if this also takes into account how many iPhones are sent back to Apple for some type of repair. Seems like a poorly done study.

    1. Re:Hrm by boarder8925 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I wonder if this also takes into account how many iPhones are sent back to Apple for some type of repair. Seems like a poorly done study.

      Exactly. This study's findings are applicable only to people who have SquareTrade warranties--but I'm sure diehard Apple fans will point to this study as more proof that the iPhone is the best thing since sliced shit.

      (Disclaimer: I own a MacBook.)

    2. Re:Hrm by moderatorrater · · Score: 1

      the iPhone is the best thing since sliced shit

      Always nice to get a European's point of view ;)

    3. Re:Hrm by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Do you suppose SquareTrade only covers special iPhones with superior construction?

    4. Re:Hrm by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      ...but I'm sure diehard Apple fans will point to this study as more proof that the iPhone is the best thing since sliced shit.

      Personally, I've always preferred the fresh-made artisan stuff you get at organic grocers, even if you have to cut it yourself. The crust is a bit hard on the gums, but- wait, sliced what?

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    5. Re:Hrm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know a few people with iPhones and of those people all of them have had problems. I know it's only a small sample population but there it is.

      Also, I would guess that SquareTrade are mostly insuring businesses rather than individuals and I would have guessed that on that basis they have a disproportionatly high number of blackberry users and only a small number of iPhone users. If this is true then it could be pure chance that their comparitively small number of iPhone users are experiencing a lower failure rate than the blackberry users. All I'll say is stranger things have happened.....

    6. Re:Hrm by randyest · · Score: 1

      Why would it? Must it also take into account how many BBerries are sent back to RIM or other repair shops? DO you not understand the concept of percentage?

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  6. iphone by postmortem · · Score: 0

    11.2 % malfunction rate of electronics ? sound like 11.2% kids dropped it.

  7. Can't wait till next year... by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

    Hopefully we'll see the G1 next year.

    1. Re:Can't wait till next year... by pcolaman · · Score: 1

      You know, I didn't preorder mine, don't live in a 3G area, and got mine a week after ordering (and it took a week because T-Mobile fucked up the shipping the first time around and sent it to the wrong address). I guess people should've just waited until launch to order. Preorder people, from what I hear on the T-Mobile forums, are getting fucked over.

  8. Who protects a Blackberry? by NevDull · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have and carry both a Blackberry for work, and an iPhone because I wanted something that wasn't under the control of IT overlords. I'm sure that I'm not the only one who carries a Blackberry in the default plastic holster and drops it onto the floor at least once every few weeks... and it's got nothing to protect it from that dive. My iPhone, however, being my personal property, does get better care. It's usually in a case in a pocket, and only small portions of its surface are directly exposed... I'm not surprised that iPhones fail less. People take far better care of them.

    1. Re:Who protects a Blackberry? by wild_quinine · · Score: 1

      I have and carry both a Blackberry for work, and an iPhone because I wanted something that wasn't under the control of IT overlords.

      Better luck next time, I guess.

    2. Re:Who protects a Blackberry? by 644bd346996 · · Score: 1

      The figures quoted in the summary don't include failures due to accidents like dropping the phone.

    3. Re:Who protects a Blackberry? by jesser · · Score: 1, Funny

      Yes, people generally do take good care of their iPhones. That's why Winnetka residents were outraged when an iPhone was left in a hot car for three hours.

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    4. Re:Who protects a Blackberry? by dasunst3r · · Score: 1

      I have a BlackBerry for *personal* use, and I keep it in a hard case and a screen protector. I can only afford a phone once every two years, so I better keep it in good shape.

    5. Re:Who protects a Blackberry? by oGMo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not surprised that iPhones fail less. People take far better care of them.

      No kidding. My blackberry gets near constant use all day. In and out of the holster, keyboard pounded on. I've spent 6 straight hours (leashed to a power outlet) doing emergency work over SSH on one. Dropped it repeatedly. Had it on and awake for months of uptime. And you know what? It works just as well as it did the day I got it.

      If iPhones have a better fail rate than Blackberries, my guess is because people simply use them less.

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    6. Re:Who protects a Blackberry? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      I'm not surprised that iPhones fail less. People take far better care of them.

      The iPhone also has far fewer parts (no KB!) and a restrictive OS that doesn't let you install much. I'm not surprised at a lower defect rate, either.

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    7. Re:Who protects a Blackberry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Approx. 95% of iPhone owners keep theirs safely inserted into their rectum.

    8. Re:Who protects a Blackberry? by Morkano · · Score: 1

      Just out of curiosity, what do you use to do SSH on your Blackberry?

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    9. Re:Who protects a Blackberry? by scream+at+the+sky · · Score: 1

      MidpSSH

      I have used this on both 8700's as well as 8310's. Once you get used to a couple of the quirks of the software interface, it works just fine.

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    10. Re:Who protects a Blackberry? by Tyr_7BE · · Score: 1

      I've used MidpSSH. Works like a dream. http://www.xk72.com/midpssh/

    11. Re:Who protects a Blackberry? by pcolaman · · Score: 1

      If they would've said Seattle, WA it would've made the story more believable. Silly Onion...

    12. Re:Who protects a Blackberry? by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      Resctrictive OS == Defect.

      Period.

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    13. Re:Who protects a Blackberry? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Resctrictive OS == Defect.

      Period.

      Maybe, but as long as it works as advertised, it won't be returned for that reason. !Defect. !Period.

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    14. Re:Who protects a Blackberry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      funny, all the stats i can find, for example web stats, surveys, etc, all say just the opposite.

      but i am sure you know best.....

  9. did the study only measure reliability? by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

    Twice as reliable is pretty cool but did the study measure form factor or anything like that? I want to know how many times cuter the iPhone is than the blackberry.

    1. Re:did the study only measure reliability? by smussman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm willing to make that measurement for you in a highly standardized way, but I'm not sure what the SI units for "cuteness" are. Could you enlighten me on this?

    2. Re:did the study only measure reliability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Twice as reliable is pretty cool but did the study measure form factor or anything like that? I want to know how many times cuter the iPhone is than the blackberry.

      The iPhone's appeal is raised to the one-fourth power every time someone whips it out like he's some sort of important prick.

    3. Re:did the study only measure reliability? by rnaiguy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Puppies

    4. Re:did the study only measure reliability? by RuBLed · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's the imperial measurement, the SI one is juvenile dog

    5. Re:did the study only measure reliability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, ISO just decided that Puppies are for binary juvenile dogs. Base 10 juvenile dogs are now to be called Pupups.

    6. Re:did the study only measure reliability? by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      Actually the juvenile dog is considered a legacy unit. The official SI unit for cuteness is the D'aww, which is currently defined as the 27.3*10^31 times the amount of cuteness of a single carbon atom at 0 kelvins.

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  10. Difference is... by LinuxInDallas · · Score: 1

    Most iPhone users are not using the iPhone for work. I've heard the IT people at my work complain about the number of Blackberry phones that get replaced because employees forget them somewhere or damage them. My company has a lot of field reps and they are the worst of the offenders. iPhone owners, most of whom actually own the phone, are going to take better care of them.

    1. Re:Difference is... by awyeah · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I'm on my 3rd personal blackberry (which i'm verry happy with), but I do remember getting a work blackberry replaced.

      "I'm sorry, boss, but my Blackberry doesn't work in the pool."

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  11. Company Assets by EEPROMS · · Score: 1

    As anyone knows if it is a company asset the user will not take as much care of it as they would something they had to pay for. Also coming from the communications industry I know that keys in general get jammed or clogged with all types of gunk and the iPhone doesn't have a keyboard. I often see Blackberries in use and I have to admit they never seem to have protective covers unlike the iPhones I see.

  12. read the report by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please, read the report... the real deal is that this is a case of bad "reporting" by bloggers looking for hits. Read below for some relevant points.

    Amazing how people can be fooled by a few pretty graphs... read the report.

    On the first page:
    "The iPhone is prone to failure due to accidental damage, with 33% more failures reported
    in the first year. Nearly one quarter of iPhone handsets are projected to fail due to an
    accident in the first two years of ownership."

    Next (p6):
    "We divided reported malfunctions into the following problem categories...."

    software, battery problems, bluetooth camera, antenna, hardware, case, screen keypad, touchpad, call issues, power issues, other

    "we look at the frequency of malfunctions reported within the first year of ownership. Adding up the individual failure probabilities gives us the aggregate rates given in Figure 1, so itâ(TM)s no surprise that the iPhone shows the least failures of any individual type.".

    Finally (p10)
    "We did not take into consideration purchase location, network purchased for, or if the
    phone was unlocked at the time of purchase. Other reports have shown that these factors can contribute substantially to the incidence of problems, especially with Call Quality issues."

  13. Not terribly surprising by Ira+Sponsible · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I'm not surprised at all to see the Treo come in behind the BlackBerry and iPhone. As dearly as I loved my Treos, I went through four of them in a two year span. First was a dead screen, second was a defective screen, next one was dropped in a bucket of water (can't blame that one on the manufacturer), and the last one had a fatal battery/power problem. Even so, I'd prefer any treo from the 600 up over any BlackBerry on the market, but the iPhone gives it serious competition except for openness and wide availability of free/open applications available for the palm platform. I'll seriously consider Android based phones on that basis alone. I expect to see a metric crapton of apps show up for Android in a year or so, without having to worry about Apple deciding I shouldn't have certain apps. Stupid Palm could have so owned this market if they had bothered to develop their OS to keep up with current technology. I'll just keep using my obsolete Palms until they, too, die, but I'm not looking at anything new from the company. Looks like Android and iPhone are my upgrade options when the time comes for me to choose a new smartphone.

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    1. Re:Not terribly surprising by Ira+Sponsible · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Addendum: Notice I didn't mention any of MicroSoft's offerings, because they're pure crap, without exception, and others were left out because I never had opportunity to use them. I know that some Treo models were made with WinCE or whatever, and they sucked more donkey cock than a Tijuana hooker. These would be the exception to my Treo vs. BlackBerry preference.

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    2. Re:Not terribly surprising by pcolaman · · Score: 1

      I'm not aware of any phones that MS makes. Could you point some out for those of us who are confused?

    3. Re:Not terribly surprising by Ira+Sponsible · · Score: 1

      You are correct, MS does not make any phones at all, however, they do make an OS that will turn any otherwise decent phone into pure crap. Notice that I was focusing on the software side of things rather than the hardware, other than my initial point that Palm hardware hasn't been the best compared with other manufacturers.

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    4. Re:Not terribly surprising by pcolaman · · Score: 1

      The phone manufacturer and cell service provider often are the ones who make the phones crap, not the OS maker. Windows Mobile isn't a bad platform, but the quality of software for it is suspect IMO. Also, many providers such as Verizon go in after the OS Maker and lock down a lot of stuff they don't like being available on their phones. I think companies like Verizon are much more responsible for the shit phones than the OS makers, MS, Palm, etc.

  14. Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The study must've been done under the reality distortion field.

  15. Who really cares? by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

    I mean, how many people that buy iPhones will keep them past the end of the contract anyways? For that matter, how many people that have cellular devices of any kind keep them until they wear out? No, we just throw them away and upgrade, even if they're still working perfectly.

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  16. Could it be the physical keyboards by rolfwind · · Score: 1

    on the blackberry that make it more prone to 'breaking'. I know on many of my gadgets, sometimes it's the mechanical things that are the first to go.

    Although, I was going to suggest the iPhone gets better taken care of - perhaps not. It's just a $199 device to many people, that if they break it, just have to shell out that money and extend their contract with AT&T for a new one most likely.

    I'm still wondering how they afford it. Was considering between a truly unlocked iPhone from Hong Kong or an iPod Touch for half the price. It's scary either way, and yet still cheaper than the ATT contract.

    1. Re:Could it be the physical keyboards by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      Could it be the physical keyboards... on the blackberry that make it more prone to 'breaking'.

      Yes, but that only accounts for one of the eight categories of failure and the iPhone beat the Blackberry in all of them.

    2. Re:Could it be the physical keyboards by dacut · · Score: 1

      Based on our internal BlackBerry users mailing list at work, it seems the trackball is usually the first to break. The number of e-mails asking if it's possible to "check e-mail without scrolling {left,right,up,down}" swamps all other topics. The DIY cleaning tips available out there are hit-and-miss. I've been lucky; the two times my 8820 has stopped tracking, the DIY tips worked.

      If the iPhone were allowed into our internal network, I would probably migrate over in a heartbeat. However, this is one area where RIM has everyone else beat: they know how to sell to the corporate IT folks. My BB -- which I paid for, personally -- is controlled by our friendly BOFHs and has their policies applied, like locking the screen after 10 minutes of inactivity and requiring me to enter a password. They can also remotely wipe my BB at will. It's these kinds of features which give them warm fuzzies.

  17. This result isn't surprising. by catwh0re · · Score: 1
    Apple have many years of experience in making small electronic devices that users run with, drop, hit, sweat into, cover in dirt, dust and sand, sit on and so on. They've learnt and studied reliability significantly from and for all those iPods.

    Combining this with apple's experience in electronics and software and I'm not surprised that the iPhone is failing less than a company who only have experience in producing one kind of product for a significantly shorter amount of time with a much smaller research & development budget.

    1. Re:This result isn't surprising. by Morkano · · Score: 1

      To be fair, RIM released it's first device, the Inter@ctive Pager, in 1995, while the iPod came out in 2001. Unless there are some other devices Apple would have been making before that.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter@ctive_Pager

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    2. Re:This result isn't surprising. by Weedlekin · · Score: 1

      "Unless there are some other devices Apple would have been making before that."

      The Newton was launched in 1993.

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    3. Re:This result isn't surprising. by catwh0re · · Score: 1

      While the newton, geoport modem, scanners and displays come to mind, I am thinking of Apple's larger skill set here in producing electronic devices. Such as laptops, chips and at a more basic level many electronic standards. They have a very wide tool set of experience to call upon.

  18. You got there where? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The company's userbase isn't geared towards companies but towards individuals. Your off-the-cuff analysis doesn't apply to this study.

  19. Twice as reliable? by sleeponthemic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The malfunction rate for iPhones after one year is 5.6 percent, compared to 11.2 percent for the BlackBerry

    To me that suggests the iphone is 94.4% reliable and the blackberry is 88.8% reliable. That's just me, though.

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    1. Re:Twice as reliable? by carlzum · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the headline suggests a 2:1 failure rate. The actual numbers are in line with my experience with the Blackberry Curve and iPod Touch. I can't speak to the iPhone's call quality, but I have less problems with the software and battery on the iPod. I have to occasionally reset my Blackberry and needed to replace the original battery. The headline should have been "iPhone Malfunctions Less Often than Blackberry."

    2. Re:Twice as reliable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now, it't not just you. The headline should say "Blackberry twice as unreliable as iPhone" :-)in order to match the content of the article.

    3. Re:Twice as reliable? by sorak · · Score: 1

      That's because you're calculator is 10% more accurate than theirs. It's on another /. post.

    4. Re:Twice as reliable? by mblase · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The malfunction rate for iPhones after one year is 5.6 percent, compared to 11.2 percent for the BlackBerry
      To me that suggests the iphone is 94.4% reliable and the blackberry is 88.8% reliable. That's just me, though.

      That makes sense if you're a reseller or insurer, and you're interested in how many iPhones or Blackberrys will be sent back for replacement.

      However, the consumer who only owns one such device at a time isn't interested in that probability. He's interested in the probability of this individual unit failing tomorrow. From that point of view, the iPhone is twice as likely to not-fail on any given day -- making it, to him, twice as reliable.

    5. Re:Twice as reliable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And even that includes sample bias. From the horse's own mouth:

      Every iPhone comes with one year of hardware repair coverage and up to two years of technical support. The AppleCare Protection Plan for iPhone extends your repair coverage to two years from the original purchase date of your iPhone.

      So for hardware failures, the only people going to this third-party insurer would be 1st-gen buyers past their 1-year warranty who didn't get AppleCare. Hardly the majority of iPhone people. OTOH, for accidental damage you'd want extra coverage, so the relatively unsurprising high number of iPhone owners with accidental damage.

      Lies, lies and statistics?

  20. Obvious reasoning by ninjapiratemonkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you stop and think about it, it makes a lot of sense that the blackberries /fail/ much more than iPhones.
    The reason is because the blackberry is treated as a tool, more likely to be thrown around, and while it can probably handle being thrown around much better than an iPhone, but it'll break eventually. People who get an iPhone will carry it around in their little plastic cases, polishing it with a cloth after every conversation, and protect it with their life.
    Also, the lack of mechanical parts (ie buttons) will make it fail slightly less...

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    1. Re:Obvious reasoning by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you stop and think about it, it makes a lot of sense that the blackberries /fail/ much more than iPhones. The reason is because the blackberry is treated as a tool, more likely to be thrown around...

      Unless, of course, you RTFA in which case you see iPhones fail more often due to accidental damage, but still have significantly lower failure rates overall.

      Also, the lack of mechanical parts (ie buttons) will make it fail slightly less...

      Yup and that probably accounts for that one of the eight categories where the BB lost.

    2. Re:Obvious reasoning by A+non-mouse+Coward · · Score: 1

      OK, so I'll either by insightful or a troll here (at least I'm aware of that).

      It's more obvious than that (why blackberries fail more often than iPhones) ...

      Blackberries are the Windows PCs of the handheld market. Sure, they're more "enterprise" than Macs (iPhones), but all of the same criticisms apply. It's typically the same customer base, too, who have come to expect high percentages of failures in products.

      Mark me as a flaming troll if you want, but it's true.

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    3. Re:Obvious reasoning by pcolaman · · Score: 1

      You describe the use of the Blackberry as if it was Batman's Batarang. Thrown around? Yeah, every woman should have one in their purse just in case they are mugged.

    4. Re:Obvious reasoning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your conclusion isn't quite valid. The iphone suffers from a much higher number of accidental failures that result in immediate failure or need for repair. The gp's assumption of the BBs being used as a tool would imho result in more wear and tear, and thus a higher likelihood of mechanical failure (e.g. keypad malfunction, loose connections between PCB and display etc.).

  21. BlackBerry Curve 8330 by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

    Personally, I love the features the Curve 8330 has to offer. But I've had my phone spontaneously reboot once since I got it 20 some days ago. My co-worker also got got an 8330 about 30 days ago. Starting last week, his phone started rebooting spontaneously at least five times already before he got it replaced. Keep in mind that mine was from Verizon and he got his through Sprint. Both our phones are running OS v4.3.

    I'm not sure if this is a software or hardware issue, but OS v4.5 has been released. Perhaps this will resolve the problem. I only wish BlackBerry would release software updates as frequently as Apple.

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    1. Re:BlackBerry Curve 8330 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally, I love the features the Curve 8330 has to offer. But I've had my phone spontaneously reboot once since I got it 20 some days ago. My co-worker also got got an 8330 about 30 days ago. Starting last week, his phone started rebooting spontaneously at least five times already before he got it replaced. Keep in mind that mine was from Verizon and he got his through Sprint. Both our phones are running OS v4.3.

      I've seen odd things when blackberries come from the cell phone company. Often they have very old firmware, or even some apps & features are missing. Go download the current firmware from RIM's website, and make sure you're up to date.

      It's not a question of upgrading to 4.5 (you can though), but making sure that all the features are there.

    2. Re:BlackBerry Curve 8330 by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure if this is a software or hardware issue, but OS v4.5 has been released.

      My understanding is that version 4.5 is something of a misnomer. It's really just a heavily, heavily patched version of 4.3. FWIW.

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    3. Re:BlackBerry Curve 8330 by pcolaman · · Score: 1

      The odd things you see are the cell companies imposing their will on their users. Verizon is the worst among them.

  22. Does this include warranty repairs? by eldorel · · Score: 1

    Most of the iphone owners I know have had the phone replaced by our local apple store at least once. One person at least 3 times. If this "study" isn't including those numbers, that would explain at least part of the bias.

  23. Re:A little help please... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    sobbing and pointing in my direction...

    The problem is that you didn't invite her to finish you off.

    Women are very sensitive to being sexually unfulfilling and they tend to pount and bitch whenever they catch a man masturbating.

    Ladies, don't take it personally: we DO enjoy your sexual company, but until you can suck us off 3 times in a row before sex, burn through 3 condoms, then afterward give us residual suckings every half-hour until we fall asleep, men will fall back on their faithful standby Rosie Palms. We may not have 9-inch dicks but that dosen't mean we're going to sulk and bitch all damn night. Sheesh.

  24. Not necessarily true by Cyberllama · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you don't have an AT&T contract, you cannot get your iphone serviced. With that in mind, I'm sure many minor issues aren't sent in for repair and people simply learn to live with them.

    For instance, my iPhone has, ever since I got it, had one dead speaker (the left one). But because I've been using prepaid sim card (AT&T) and I used a jail breaking program to activate my phone, Apple won't do anything for me about it. So, as far as they are concerned, my phone is working great. It's not a huge deal so I don't worry about it.

    They don't specifically say you must have an AT&T contract to get warranty service, but it's more or less required via the other terms. They wont' service your phone unless its activated ("How can we see if it's working or not?). They won't service phones that aren't activated legitimately (at least not if they know about it). You MUST sign up for a contract to activate your phone (not actually true with the 3g, it'll apparently activate on a prepaid sim).

    1. Re:Not necessarily true by nathana · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Oh, good grief; not you, too?

      Neither iPhone model has stereo speakers. It's not a dead speaker, it's the fricking MICROPHONE.

    2. Re:Not necessarily true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For instance, my iPhone has, ever since I got it, had one dead speaker (the left one).

      That's the microphone.

    3. Re:Not necessarily true by nathana · · Score: 1

      Actually, since I see from the diagram that the left grille (which you say doesn't work) is the speaker anyway, I wonder if I jumped the gun and rushed to conclusions about what you meant. Do you mean that when you plug headphones in, the left side of your pair of headphones doesn't sound at all? Or do you mean that the only speaker on your iPhone that works is the phone earpiece (so you hear absolutely nothing from the phone itself except for phone conversations without any headphones plugged in...no music, sound for videos, system sounds, alarms, nothing)? ...or did you really mean what I initially thought you meant? :-P

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    4. Re:Not necessarily true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that 'left speaker' that isn't working is the phone's mic...

    5. Re:Not necessarily true by Cyberllama · · Score: 1

      No, you were right. Which speaker is left and which is right depends on how you're holding the phone. But thanks for the info, I always assumed the microphone was the slit at the top -- which the diagram says is the "receiver". Though I find that explanation confusing, I'm satisfied that you're correct.

      While that's interesting information (and I appreciate it), it doesn't really change my original point that many iPhone owners with minor issues can't really do anything about them so they would be under-reported.

    6. Re:Not necessarily true by TrekkieGod · · Score: 1

      They don't specifically say you must have an AT&T contract to get warranty service, but it's more or less required via the other terms. They wont' service your phone unless its activated ("How can we see if it's working or not?). They won't service phones that aren't activated legitimately (at least not if they know about it). You MUST sign up for a contract to activate your phone (not actually true with the 3g, it'll apparently activate on a prepaid sim).

      Well, I see from your other posts that your iphone isn't actually broken, but if you ever do need service, don't assume they won't service it. Give them a call. I doubt they won't honor the warranty (they might initially tell you they won't, but ask to talk with a supervisor).

      The reason I'm certain they'll honor the warranty is because you can just file a small claims suit if they don't. You're on solid legal ground here. The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act prevents them from tying in their warranty to sales or services. And the latest DMCA exemptions allow you to unlock your cell phone. Of course, if your attempts to unlock the phone was what caused the damage, then it falls into the accidental damage clause and they're not liable again...however, I don't think anyone has actually bricked an iphone by unlocking it (by the real definition of brick, ie, a restore won't work).

      Given the price of the iphone, the lawsuit would be worth it. However, do remember to ask them to honor the warranty first. Not only are they likely to honor it, but judges tend to throw out lawsuits if you don't make an effort with the other party first.

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    7. Re:Not necessarily true by Archimonde · · Score: 1

      Just to add a datapoint, my iphone's wifi was doa (and a fast draining battery as a consequence). They didn't want to even look at it. Just because it wasn't activated. I've read the whole warranty and the crap they put on the web too which explicitly said that you don't have to have to have iphone activated (you need to enter the serial number of the phone there) to receive the service under warranty.

      But it was a painful experience, full story and details at prosperouspoverty.blogspot.com

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    8. Re:Not necessarily true by randyest · · Score: 1

      Why would the microphone be where you put the phone to your ear? And why would sound come out of it when you are on the phone?

      While what you learned here doesn't necessarily "change your point" it does invalidate the single anecdote you had to support your point. So there's that.

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    9. Re:Not necessarily true by Cyberllama · · Score: 1

      Does it? I thought there was something wrong with my phone from a functional perspective -- and it merely turns out the problem is from a design perspective (why on earth would the speaker and the microphone be on the same end and right next to each other?)

      Regardless, I had a problem and I did NOT seek service. I did not take it to the Apple Store. I knew it would have been a waste of time. How many others have problems but do not seek service because they don't pay $70 a month for the iphone plan and can't get it?

    10. Re:Not necessarily true by Ohrion · · Score: 1

      Wow, I wish I could mod this entire conversation both Funny AND Informative. 'Cause it's certainly both. :)

    11. Re:Not necessarily true by randyest · · Score: 1

      Does it what? (and while you're at it, what's the antecedent for your "it"?) You thought there was something wrong because you made a (ridiculous) assumption (seriously? you thought apple set stereo speakers one inch apart?) There is no design problem, there is only a problem with your understanding and the fact that you assume your assumptions are reasonable or valid. The speaker near the mic is only used when playing music or speakerphone mode. Close proximity to the mic allows for excellent noise/feedback cancellation in speakerphone mode. There is another speaker, the "slit" you thought was a microphone (for some inconceivable reason) that is positioned so that it is next to your ear when you hold the iphone like a, well, a phone. If you are still confused please study the diagram/pic you were linked previously and/or consult a special education teacher.

      Regardless, your anecdote is irrelevant. You could have sought assistance for your (imagined) problem, but since you're not using the warranty service mentioned in TFA, it wouldn't affect a damn thing either way. And, to answer your question: zero "others have problems but do not seek service because they don't pay $70 a month for the iphone plan and can't get it" because you can't get a 3G iphone in the US without a 2-year contract.

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    12. Re:Not necessarily true by Cyberllama · · Score: 1

      I made fairly reasonable assumptions that apparently quite a few other people have made, thus the need to have a diagram like that and publicize it. Let me break it down for you:

      There's a speaker on one end. To most people, that's a clear indicator that you hold that part to your ear. That means your mouth is next to the slit at the opposite end of the phone. Meaning that another perfectly reasonable assumption is that that slit would be the microphone. Having the microphone and the speaker right next to each other is completely non-intuitive but apparently is the product having, according to you, two different speakers, both mono, one for phone calls only.

      Fine. Whatever. You can act like those were stupid assumptions but they seem to be on VERY solid logical footing to me.

      What is not rational, however, is your ability to take *personal* offense that I would dare suggest anything which might *potentially* contradict your notion that Apple is perfect in every conceivable way and that the original article, as partial proof of that, must be defended against all "attacks".

      And just FYI, a significant portion of iPhone owners are not under contract. The contract is ridiculously over-priced and many people bought their phones second-hand off ebay by people who were under contract but transferred their contract over to their new phone OR simply paid the ETF in order to use the cheaper 20 dollar a month data-only prepaid option.

      A quick Google search shows that Squaretrade does not service unlocked phones, unless they are "officially" unlocked -- this may well be because they, for the first year, expect to hand the problem off to Applecare. Many warranty companies will do that: Take your phone, immediately give you a replacement, send your phone to the manufacturer, then use your phone, once serviced or replaced, as a replacement phone for the next guy to have a problem. I don't know if this is what Squaretrade does or not, but it seems probable to me.

      So while they will cover accidental damage to your phone out of their pocket, I expect they want your phone to be covered by Apple's warranty for any non-accidental damage they cover. Whether or not they would have serviced my phone still seems questionable to me. In my experience, warranty companies will use any excuse to avoid it.

      At any rate, the point of my post was simply that we shouldn't be so quick to accept one study which is actually an EXPECTED PROJECTION of the future to be gospel. It's entirely possible that the iPhone isn't any more reliable, hardware wise, than any other phone. It may well be the case that it is, time will tell.

    13. Re:Not necessarily true by randyest · · Score: 1

      I made fairly reasonable assumptions that apparently quite a few other people have made, thus the need to have a diagram like that and publicize it. Let me break it down for you:

      Have you neever noticed that just about every consumer electronics product includes such a labeled diagram? What makes you think the iphone is special in the regard?

      There's a speaker on one end. To most people, that's a clear indicator that you hold that part to your ear. That means your mouth is next to the slit at the opposite end of the phone. Meaning that another perfectly reasonable assumption is that that slit would be the microphone. Having the microphone and the speaker right next to each other is completely non-intuitive but apparently is the product having, according to you, two different speakers, both mono, one for phone calls only.

      You're still confused: there are two speakers! So "the speaker" is ambiguous. One (called the "receiver" in the diagram) is for listening to your psychiatrist with the phone held to your head old-school style. The other, which is next to the mic, is for speakerphone and playing music. What "slit?" The USB/docking port? Yes, your mouth goes near that end when you hold the phone to your head. I don't see how it's non-intuitive to have one of the two speakers near the mic. Why is this a challenge for you?

      Fine. Whatever. You can act like those were stupid assumptions but they seem to be on VERY solid logical footing to me.

      It's not acting.

      What is not rational, however, is your ability to take *personal* offense that I would dare suggest anything which might *potentially* contradict your notion that Apple is perfect in every conceivable way and that the original article, as partial proof of that, must be defended against all "attacks".

      Neither did I never make any assertion of the notion you mention nor did I take "*personal*" offense.

      And just FYI, a significant portion of iPhone owners are not under contract. The contract is ridiculously over-priced and many people bought their phones second-hand off ebay by people who were under contract but transferred their contract over to their new phone OR simply paid the ETF in order to use the cheaper 20 dollar a month data-only prepaid option.

      Not in the US there isn't (which is the only area this warranty company operates.) You can't transfer an iphone contract (without paying for or returning the phone.) And there are no unlocked 3G iphones on ebay. Original iphone, yes, or maybe you're confusing "Jailbroken" with "Unlocked" (they are not the same thing.

      A quick Google search shows that Squaretrade does not service unlocked phones, unless they are "officially" unlocked -- this may well be because they, for the first year, expect to hand the problem off to Applecare. Many warranty companies will do that: Take your phone, immediately give you a replacement, send your phone to the manufacturer, then use your phone, once serviced or replaced, as a replacement phone for the next guy to have a problem. I don't know if this is what Squaretrade does or not, but it seems probable to me.

      So?

      So while they will cover accidental damage to your phone out of their pocket, I expect they want your phone to be covered by Apple's warranty for any non-accidental damage they cover. Whether or not they would have serviced my phone still seems questionable to me. In my experience, warranty companies will use any excuse to avoid it.

      So?

      At any rate, the point of my post was simply that we shouldn't be so quick to accept one study which is actually an EXPECTED PROJECTION of the future to be gospel. It's entirely possible that the iPhone isn't any more reliable, hardware wise, than

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  25. OMGITSAPPLESOPPLARESTUPID!! by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

    What is considered a malfunction? And perhaps having the latest and greatest object of the year inspires people to treat the phone with a little more care

    What's different between the two phones? Does the lack of a keyboard make the hardware simple enough to have a higher success rate? Does that make it more difficult for people to break?

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  26. Twice as reliable? by rossdee · · Score: 1

    So if the Iphone had 100% reliability, then the Blackberry would have a 50% reliabilty. I don't think anyone would accept that kind of failure rate...

  27. Reliable Study by pcolaman · · Score: 1

    And in other news, Steve Jobs has announced that Apple is funding new studies in the reliability of the iPhone.

  28. You could still drop the BB 3-4 times to concrete by quattr0 · · Score: 1

    And you could still use it :) Really, why on-earth they compare a business device to iPhone. Didn't we have a recent study that iPhone owner are mostly people who made lesser than 50k (no offense to anyone). I'm a consultant. yes there are consultants who use iPhone but when you get on the shuttle bis to the airport or even on the airplane, how many people carry BB vs iPhone? My nephew was trying to show the picture of his ride and accidently dropped it to the concrete and now the device is an iPod (can't make call). With my last job, I dropped the BB (the brown color model) 3-4 times and it still worked. BB also has its issue. Voice quality is the worst if you drive and talk (not sure how the recent models have improved, if any). Other than that, it still is the best e-mail device until the Nokia E71 arrives. You get the best of both world: full keyboard for e-mail and amazing voice quality from the world leading cell phone technology.

  29. What? by Drakin020 · · Score: 1

    Sure maybe the hardware is more reliable, but the software is terrible. I'd love to have my old blackberry back. Seriously that was the most stable thing I've ever owned. Email always worked, browser while not as good, never crashed on me, never had an issue with reception, and never had an issue with dropped calls.

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    1. Re:What? by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      Sure maybe the hardware is more reliable, but the software is terrible.

      Software was one of the categories, with the Blackberry having a 3% failure rate in the first year and the iPhone having a 1%. Unless there was a serious problem with their methodology, it look like their study trounces your anecdote. Not that I care since I can't afford either right now.

    2. Re:What? by Drakin020 · · Score: 1

      I wonder what they classify as a "Failure" Because there is no way an iPhone is more stable than a Blackberry.

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    3. Re:What? by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      I wonder what they classify as a "Failure" Because there is no way an iPhone is more stable than a Blackberry.

      There is a link to the study in the summary. A failure was a call from a user because the OS or an application had locked up or was not working properly.

  30. Company Crashetts. by Ostracus · · Score: 1

    "As anyone knows if it is a company asset the user will not take as much care of it as they would something they had to pay for. "

    Kind of hard to let roll-over damage get by though. :)

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  31. Testing my self control by EncryptedSoldier · · Score: 0

    I'm not going to make an anti-apple comment, I'm not going to make an anti-apple comment...need good karma...must resist urge to ...STEVE JOBBS IS THE DEVIL!!!!!!!

  32. Who bought the device? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Blackberries are usually bought by companies.
    iPhones are usually bought by individuals.

    People treat things they own better than things they don't own. Especially an entertainment device when compared to a never ending problem providing device (via emails) like a blackberry. Form factor is also an issue. The blue and blackberries that I've had just had a way of slipping out of my hands when typing. The RIM950, an older version, never slipped/jumped out of my hands.

    Bias in the sample? I think the answer is simple - YES.

  33. I'm gonna venture a guess.. by Limb · · Score: 1

    And say that the reason blackberry's have such a higher failure rate, is due to the business aspect. How many iPhones are actually being used as enterprise devices as opposed to iPhones? The iPhone is hardly a real enterprise device, no matter how hard apple is trying to push it. It lacks true Word processing support, hell even copy and paste is missing. If I had a job that required me to have a reliable phone that fit the needs of my job in the field, I'd trade in my iPhone in for a blackberry or any other smart device. Consumers are far less to get a phone replaced then a business user. I know people who have iPhones that I would barely describe as usable, but haven't gotten them repaired. Why? Because it's not a necessity to something like their job. Does anyone know what the actual iPhone vs Blackberry/Other Smartphone share is in actual enterprises?

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  34. Re:You could still drop the BB 3-4 times to concre by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

    Really, why on-earth they compare a business device to iPhone.

    Because a lot of geeks are considering both and would like information to help their decision making.

    Didn't we have a recent study that iPhone owner are mostly people who made lesser than 50k (no offense to anyone).

    Nope. People with incomes under $50k was the largest growing segment of purchasers, but still make up a minority of users. The same is true for the Blackberry, by the way.

    I'm a consultant. yes there are consultants who use iPhone but when you get on the shuttle bis[sic] to the airport or even on the airplane, how many people carry BB vs iPhone?

    That depends upon where you are, but the BB has been on the market a lot longer and has only just now been passed by the iPhone in sales. I don't see how that is relevant to which is more reliable though.

    My nephew was trying to show the picture of his ride and accidently dropped it to the concrete and now the device is an iPod (can't make call). With my last job, I dropped the BB (the brown color model) 3-4 times and it still worked.

    Yup. The report said iPhones break due to accidents significantly more that Blackberries... but not nearly enough to make up for the overall higher failure rate of Blackberries. Good numbers to pay attention to if you're looking to buy one and you're accident prone or really careful with your electronics.

    Other than that, it still is the best e-mail device...

    Yeah, could be. I don't have either one and am not biased (don't care). It just seems there are a lot of BB fans here more interested in talking up their favorite toy rather than looking at the numbers and discussing their relevance.

  35. Speaking as an iPhone user... by nick_davison · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm so completely used to random crashes to the main screen, random complete lockdowns, random freezes, dropped calls, you name it... that it'd have to take something pretty remarkable before I even realized it was a fault I could make a warranty claim over as opposed to just "buggy as usual" functioning.

    Looking at the typical blackberry users who regard it as a critical piece of their god given right and duty to answer emails even when on the can... I'd imagine they're vastly less tolerant than iPhone users.

    Most iPhone users I know, who haven't previously used Blackberries, are pretty happy with their iPhones. Just about every former Blackberry user I know who converted to an iPhone hates the thing's unreliability and wants to go back.

    In short: Relying on reported failures doesn't always tell you which device is more reliable. It can just be an indicator of which user group is more tolerant.

    1. Re:Speaking as an iPhone user... by BitZtream · · Score: 2, Informative

      Speaking as an iPhone user, WTF are you doing that causes your phone to crash so much? I have some problems with safari, but other than that it works fine.

      It checks an imap mailbox with at least a hundred folders, and several hundred messages in the inbox itself at any given time, I use the clock for alarms, cal for future events, sms very lightly, a couple pages of downloaded apps and it just works.

      Today was the first day where I've had a real problem, and you better believe I was on the phone with AT&T to resolve it instantly. Sadly it is a real problem and it looks like it has to go back for servicing due to some sort of call connection problem. This is my second iPhone, the first of which was stolen (due to my own stupidity mind you), and while the software has been a lot more laggy than the original, pre-2.0 firmware, it has up until today worked fine.

      I'm sure some people may deal with failures more, but most people don't like the idea of paying that much for a device that doesnt work, especially with the 1st gen phones which were more up front plus contract costs.

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    2. Re:Speaking as an iPhone user... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you need to take that shit back and pitch a fit. Because I have a 3g, and know 5 other people that have them and NONE of our phones behave the way you desribe.

    3. Re:Speaking as an iPhone user... by AdmiralAl · · Score: 1

      I'm an iPhone user as well (company provided) and I really think this iPhone failure rate being better than BB is total bunk. I've worked at a very large corporation were all execs and managers had BBs. On average, we had to replace a BB maybe once or twice a week (out of approx 1000 in circ.). Fast forward to today, and in a small company with 4 employees using iPhones (myself included) every single one of them has had to be replaced since we started using them 9 months ago. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but that's a 100% failure rate for the original 4 phones in less than 9 months. I'm no BB fan either, but something just doesn't seem right...

    4. Re:Speaking as an iPhone user... by Rycross · · Score: 1

      I'm fairly happy with the iPhone... when it works.

      The problem is that I've had it replaced FOUR TIMES.

      1) Negative black problem. Firefly and Battlestar Galactica were unwatchable.
      2) Dead zone developed on top of touch screen, meaning I can't use half the menu.
      3) Same dead zone
      4) Random lock-ups. Hard reset produced lock-ups during boots. I'd have 4-5 hour time-spans where I simply couldn't use my phone.

      And this is adding to the fact that every patch makes the damn browser more and more flakey. I'd say theres a 1/4 chance of a Slashdot article crashing the browser.

      I love the phone, love the UI, but its unreliable and one of the main features (the browser) is way too flakey. I'll probably look into an Android based phone next time I'm phone shopping. Sorry Apple.

    5. Re:Speaking as an iPhone user... by maztuhblastah · · Score: 1

      Wait a sec.... you're actually claiming that Apple users are tolerant of glitches?
      AHAHAHA ahem. Uh. Wow.

      Have you actually read any Mac forums? Apple "fanbois" (as some would call them) are some of the most vocal critics out there. They are anything but tolerant. Every little glitch, any minor imperfection has the Apple "blogosphere" up in arms, demanding the head of Steve Jobs, Johnathan Ives, and Phil Schiller on a silver iPlatter. Any issue is pointed to as the sign of the "end of Apple as a quality brand". Hell, these are the same people that filed a class-action lawsuit over the fact that the iPod nano was made of plastic that could be scratched!

      I'm sorry you've had issues with your phone, but I think your extrapolation (and the ensuing assumption) is... well... a little ridiculous.

  36. I've got some experience here by Whuffo · · Score: 1
    On a previous IT job, BlackBerry support was part of the gig. I was surprised at how many of them failed; while I have no knowledge of what the user was doing when it died, I do know that they had a very high failure rate.

    Having said that, I now carry a personal BlackBerry phone. It hasn't failed yet but it's not exactly bug free. If you think Microsoft products are poor quality, you should experience what RIM calls "release" software. Nothing that pulling the battery and waiting a few minutes for the thing to reinitialize won't fix, though.

    If it didn't do email so well, I'd change it out in a heartbeat. If some other vendor would just get a clue and turn out a multi-function phone that actually does those functions well and stably they'd take over the market. I didn't get an IPhone because the service costs too damned much. I get BlackBerry service for about half what ATT / Apple charge for the Jesus phone.

    If Apple would include UMA on the IPhone and break their tie to AT&T then I'd be interested. That's not likely to happen, though. What is likely to happen is another round of poorly implemented phones from the usual suspects.

    I'm thinking of a previous Motorola phone that had voice activated functions - or so they thought. I could hit the side button and say "camera" and it'd activate the built in camera. There was no voice command to take a picture or exit the camera, though. Completely useless, but it did allow some corporate fool to mark a checkbox on the feature list.

    There's still a long way to go on this stuff - the IPhone is arguably the best implementation available right now but it's got warts aplenty. If someone else would do better then they'd have a winner. Will this happen? I doubt it...

    1. Re:I've got some experience here by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      Having said that, I now carry a personal BlackBerry phone. It hasn't failed yet but it's not exactly bug free. If you think Microsoft products are poor quality, you should experience what RIM calls "release" software. Nothing that pulling the battery and waiting a few minutes for the thing to reinitialize won't fix, though.

      I'll second that. I've found BlackBerry Forums to be invaluable, not only for locating the latest firmware versions (whichever carrier may have them) but also for letting everybody know which ones are flaky as hell and to be avoided.

      I replaced a rock-sold stable but physically damaged Pearl 8100 with a brand-new Pearl 8120 and I had to pull the battery from the new phone about four times in the first week. It's stable now, but only after two firmware updates.

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    2. Re:I've got some experience here by Whuffo · · Score: 1
      I'll agree 100% with what you've said. I've got a Pearl 8120 too and it's clear that it could have used another trip across the drawing board before release. Sure, the phone and email seem to be mostly solid - it's just when you try to use some of the other features that you'll run into software bugs galore. I've run into the most issues with the camera; it works well when it works but it's almost a given that you'll have to hard reset the phone before you can use it.

      If it wasn't for UMA I'd be swapping it out for something else. I live in a fringe area and UMA solves the problem for me. Any other cell phones with UMA capability are a poor second to the Pearl. That's not saying a lot for them...

    3. Re:I've got some experience here by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 1

      Check out the Curve. It's much more friendly, I think, than the Pearl. I use the Curve with UMA/T-Mobile, and it's invaluable when I'm staying with family in Pennsylvania, where the nearest T-Mobile tower is several miles away.

  37. Re:You could still drop the BB 3-4 times to concre by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "It just seems there are a lot of BB fans here more interested in talking up their favorite toy rather than looking at the numbers and discussing their relevance."

    There's not a lot here that's relevant. BBs have a full qwerty keyboard full of moving parts, and a trackball that can get gummed up. iPhone has 4 buttons. Less moving parts = less points of failure. It's one of the iPhone's advantages. The BlackBerry has its advantages too (far superior email support, significantly less expensive data plans due to compression, can make 3G calls without dropping them every 2 minutes (I have friends who have iPhones, and yes this is actually the average amount of time they can hold a call)).

  38. Why? by Dan541 · · Score: 1

    I notice you got modded flamebait for speaking out against crackberries.

    I have never understood the fascination with blackberries. They do email, well so do a ton of other mobile devices.

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  39. I'm not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My employer got me a Blackberry about 6 months ago and it is the biggest POS phone I have ever used. I do stock trading and thought to myself I should short the hell out of RIMM, but I didn't act on that, boy am I kicking myself now.

    1. Re:I'm not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would we listen to your opinion about phones when your messing about with stocks has contributed to the total FUBAR-ing of the global economy?

  40. half the failure rate not twice as reliable... by riprjak · · Score: 1

    Im sure someone else has rightly ranted about this. TFA is quite good, even if the title is misleading newspeak... it is neither accurate to conclude nor precise to state that TFA reports the iPhone as twice as reliable; merely half as likely to fail.

    Going from 88ish% reliability to 94ish% reliability is not a DOUBLING. Even if the failure rate has been halved, it does not follow that the reliability has been doubled... I really wish more people payed attention to primary school mathematics, percentages are easy to use and understand; why do people so often get them wrong.

    Just my $0.02
    jak!

  41. Usage? by Clandestine_Blaze · · Score: 1

    Did they consider usage of the phone in this study? By usage, I mean frequency and what different functions the two phones perform for their owners. They may not have had that info available to them. The iPhone, for instance, may be used more frequently for casual affairs than a Blackberry, which will often make business trips with the user. I don't own an iPhone or a Blackberry, so I really wouldn't know. I read the article but not the full study within the article, and I didn't see usage as one of their factors.

    It may be a moot point, however, as I have many coworkers that use an iPhone as their business phone, and they are constantly fiddling with it. But that's just my place of employment. If an iPhone is more casual and a Blackberry is used heavily in the workplace, then I would make a guess that there is a higher chance of something going wrong with the Blackberry.

    Anyone else see the iPhone used by a majority in their work place as their business phone?

  42. Re:You could still drop the BB 3-4 times to concre by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just dropped my BB 8707g from shoulder height (I'm 175 cm tall) onto a marble tile floor and it still works fine. Why would I do something retarded like that? Because I knew it wouldn't break.

  43. This would be modded flamebait if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This would be modded flamebait if the headline was "Study Finds BlackBerry Twice As Reliable As iPhone"

  44. Re:You could still drop the BB 3-4 times to concre by kemushi88 · · Score: 1

    I'm an iPhone owner, and I've dropped mine on concrete about on 3 different occasions and while it has a few scratches on the back, it still works perfectly fine. I think it all depends on exactly how you hit it. I don't really have any doubt that BBs are a bit tougher, but iPhones aren't that fragile.

  45. Very reliable study.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Next one: "Study finds Ford cars related in more accidents than Lamborghinis."

    OMG so scary.

  46. Not terribly suprising by grilled-cheese · · Score: 1

    That's not terribly suprising for two reasons.

    1. The devices are all made differently with different points of failure. For instance a Treo has a knob of an antenna or a keyboard that can be damaged.

    2. I'm pretty sure that majority of people arn't going to insure their iPhones with a 3rd party provider, since that isn't what AT&T tells them. AT&T will sell them the only official way to service an iPhone, aka Apple Care.

  47. Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I doubt they have actually owned one then. I have a 3g and it is FAR less reliable than my BB Curve was.

  48. Phff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use a Tilt... So I'm better!

  49. Re:You could still drop the BB 3-4 times to concre by boredhacker · · Score: 1

    until the Nokia E71 arrives

    Nokia... who are they?!?! OOOOH... you mean the 800lb gorilla in the room? Don't worry about him... he's waiting to see which of these niche players gets fat enough to eat for tomorrow's breakfast.

  50. you must be joking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this post is a joke, right? there's been plenty of reviews of the iphone (new and old) that show it's one of the most unreliable phones out there.

    between at&t not having proper bandwidth support and constant freeze-ups, i'm never buying an iphone. i know several people who have had to return theirs because they just didn't work, despite how much they loved apple products, the iphone they had was simply not working.

    maybe people are okay with some broken features just because it's apple, and they don't have the money to fix it, and that's why this report finds them reliable when they certainly aren't.

  51. There's a simple explanation. by iamapizza · · Score: 1

    The Blackberries are being broken by workaholic users who use their devices too much.

    The iPhones aren't being broken because the owners are too busy marveling over it and showing it off.

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  52. Other platforms... by nilbog · · Score: 1

    I do not have a lot of experience with the Black Berry but I can say with confidence that stability-wise, smartphone operating systems should be ordered thusly:

    Windows Mobile > iPhone > Anything else > Palm

    Windows isn't good at a lot of things, but one thing you can say about Windows Mobile is that it is stable.

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    1. Re:Other platforms... by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 1

      My experience is that Windows Mobile is not a stable platform - "just wait while I reboot my phone it's crashed again!" seems to be a common saying ....

      Give me a basic mobile any day, when they do less they do not crash ....

      The failure rates quoted (even the "good" ones) would cause most people to never buy any of these....

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  53. pedant by ConfusedVorlon · · Score: 1

    shouldn't that be
    "6% more reliable over the course of a year?"

    what with 94.4%/88.8% = 1.06

  54. 5.6% is few? by RichiH · · Score: 1

    Imagine if anything other than a cell phone had that kind of error rate (which was not defined, btw)..

  55. Guessing instead of data gathering helps too... by denzacar · · Score: 1

    You know... instead of actually using 2 years of iPhone data, 2 years of Blackberry data and 2 years of Treo data - you imaginate half of iPhone data.

    This analysis examines customer reported data on over 15,000 phones in the past 2 years.ii We
    tracked failures due to accidental damage separately from malfunctions through normal usage
    ("malfunctions"). For the purposes of this study, we have focused primarily on malfunctions to
    evaluate the manufactured quality of the handset models.

    For most cell phone users, their greatest vulnerability to replacement costs occurs during the
    second year of ownership.
    During this period, the initial one-year manufacturer's warranty has
    expired, and the customer is mostly ineligible for the heavily subsidized newer models.
    To determine the likelihood of iPhone replacement during this period, we first forecasted the
    malfunction rates at the 24-month mark.
    In Figure 2, we apply a straight line forecast to the first
    12 months of iPhone data. The BlackBerry and Treo data shown is actual data at the 24-month
    mark.

    Using a moderately conservative asymptotic forecast for iPhone malfunction rates, we estimate a 9.2% failure rate after 24 months

    And here comes the best part...

    The asymptotic model in Figure 3 projects an iPhone malfunction rate of 3.6% during the second
    year, halfway between that of the BlackBerry and Treo.
    Without more data, it's impossible to definitively know if iPhone owners are at a bigger risk for
    handset malfunction than BlackBerry and Treo owners after the manufacturer's warranty has
    elapsed. Regardless, both models forecast iPhones with a significantly lower failure rate at the
    end of 24 months of ownership. From this analysis, we can infer that iPhones are more reliable
    handsets than the other two smart phone models.

    You see... as it is we were only guessing how much iPhone will break down it may not really be important to point out that by our findings iPHONES BREAK MORE THAN BLACKBERRY DURING THE SECOND YEAR.
    You know... "after the manufacturer's warranty has elapsed".
    But all in all, according to our educated-seeming guesses (look at all those beautiful graphs) - it breaks less than other two.
    We guess...

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  56. Because they get used more.... by 8400_RPM · · Score: 1

    Blackberrys get used non-stop. iPhones are just toys for 'loling'.

  57. Fine. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where in the contract did it say "available 24/7"? So redundancy pay here we come.

    And if you're in the US, a quick lawsuit for wrongful dismissal and breach of contract.

    Meanwhile, the Boss doesn't have ANYONE to contact.

    1. Re:Fine. by limaxray · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ummm, when you're a salaried employee, you are effectively owned by the company 24/7. You are paid to do a given job description, regardless of what hours you need to do them. If you don't like it, you can spend your life as a contractor and get paid by the hour - you'll make more, but you can be fired at a moments notice with no recourse. It's all a matter of what's more important to you - job security or not being owned by 'the man'?

    2. Re:Fine. by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      It depends on your contract...
      Most salaried employees have a fixed number of hours, and anything above that is considered overtime. If they want you to answer the phone in the middle of the night you just claim overtime pay for it..

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  58. Deficient education by argent · · Score: 1

    Your teachers never explained the difference between "total number of failures" and "failure rate".

  59. User base not reporting malfunctions by gorfie · · Score: 1

    My wife purchased a 3G iPhone for personal use back when it first came out. She loves it to death and, for that reason, puts up with an astonishing number of annoyances. The worst thing for me is the lack of quality on the network and the dropped calls. She's always trying to call me with that thing and I can't stand it because I have to strain just to have a conversation.

    Now I have a BlackBerry for my job. It does what I need it to and I'm not aware of any malfunctions. If it did have a problem, I'd be very likely to remedy it because my employer would handle all of the repairs/costs and I'd simply have to notify them of the problem.

    I'm no iPhone hater - it's a lovely device. A comparison between iPhone and BlackBerry is like a comparison between an Acura and a Honda. Mine's a workhorse. Her's is prettier, faster, and does more (since it's not locked down like mine). But I'm not sold on iPhone reliability (yes - it could be AT&T/3G - but I've heard other 3G devices perform well in my area).

  60. 1 iPhone, many Blackberries by techno_dan · · Score: 1

    One problem with this, is the number of models available with Blackberries. Are failures the same across all models, or only the cheaper ones? A better comparison, would have been the top model of each.

  61. I call BS on this one by Coraon · · Score: 3, Informative

    I work for Rogers in Canada on the tech support line, we have to replace A LOT more Iphones then blackberries. People are just rougher of the blackberry, I would say that customer induced damage on the blackberry is higher, but as for catastrofic failure the iphone takes the cake. I've worked on every smart phone rogers has produced and trust me, the Iphone queue is the longest.

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    1. Re:I call BS on this one by randyest · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hmm, we have a report with actual data and methodology given, but some bloke on /. calls "BS" and says "trust me" as his evidence that the data are wrong.

      Yeah, it's a close one, but I'm going to go with the study in TFA.

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  62. Twice? I dont think that word means what ... by arbitraryaardvark · · Score: 1

    Iphone: 94% not broken in a year.
    Blackberry: 88% not broken in a year.
    And we all know that 88 x 2 = 94.

    Pedantically objecting to a broken slashdot headline?
    I must be new here.

  63. re: salaried work by King_TJ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd argue that you're absolutely wrong. Paying someone a salary, vs. an hourly wage means there's an understanding that neither party thinks it necessary to track every minute that you're working. The employer benefits because he/she gains flexibility. (EG. You might be asked to stay late when a new piece of software is rolled out, and part of the setup can't even be done while the 9-5 employees are around and using the app.) The employee benefits because he/she is freed from a degree of micro-management. (EG. No more getting "write ups" and "warnings" just because a traffic accident or snowstorm caused you to get in 3 minutes late. No big problems if you wind up taking an extra long lunch break when you meet up with some friends you rarely see.)

    It's sort of a "gentleman's agreement", not written anyplace, but understood. If either employer or employee abuses it too much, then it creates problems, and the other party is going to consider terminating the employment contract.

    Salary was never a written agreement to become a corporate servant.

  64. Re: salaried work by limaxray · · Score: 2, Funny

    How is that any different than me saying 'you are paid to do a given job description'? Unless your job description is 'corporate servant' I fail to see how you could come to that conclusion. Obviously if your employer expects more of you than what you feel is worth your salary you can ask for a raise or quit.

    Although if your job description is 'software developer' and a customer in Europe finds a show stopping bug at some inconvenient hour, it is perfectly reasonable for your employer to try to contact you at an inconvenient hour. You are paid to deliver a product - not just to be in the office from 9-5 - and the fact is the world doesn't stop at 5PM EST. This is the point I was replying to.

    Contractors/hourly employees on the other hand, are paid to be in the office from 9-5.

    And the last time I had to worry about 'write ups' or 'warnings' for being late or constraining my lunch time was when I flipped hamburgers at Wendys. None of my corporate jobs - salaried or contracted - have ever given two shits. If that is supposed to be a benefit of a salaried job then I'm either lucky or you've had douche bag employers.

  65. Negotiate availability by Nerdposeur · · Score: 1

    You shouldn't get fired for not having your BlackBerry on at all times, because you should negotiate those expectations when you get the job.

    You should agree to one of two things:

    • I work certain hours and no more, or
    • I am on call X amount and I get extra money for that

    Personally, I'd strongly prefer the former. You can always work more to make more money, but when do you get to enjoy it? There is more to life than work, and your boss does not own you.

  66. Re: salaried work by King_TJ · · Score: 1

    The world may not stop at 5PM EST, but it's also realistic for companies to grasp the idea that doing sales/support on a global scale requires hiring shifts of people to cover the additional hours.

    I'm not saying it's ALWAYS unreasonable to call you at an inconvenient hour, if a huge problem really was caused by your coding mistake and you're their best hope of a rapid fix. But employers regularly demanding a 60 or 80 hour work week from people, under the belief that it's "ok, because I pay them salary"? That's corporate slavery, really. Sure, some people will attempt to do what's demanded of them. Maybe they're a "workaholic" anyway, or they mistakenly believe they're "better" than other people because they do it, or maybe it's a huge hardship on them that they endure because they really need the paycheck? It doesn't make it "ok".

    My point is, an employee a company expects to be happy and productive needs to be given a good bit of time outside the office to have a social life, etc. We're all humans, not robots - and this is a basic requirement of getting maximum productivity from us.

  67. Re:You could still drop the BB 3-4 times to concre by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

    BBs have a full qwerty keyboard full of moving parts, and a trackball that can get gummed up. iPhone has 4 buttons. Less moving parts = less points of failure.

    Was I the only one that RTFA? The whole study is 10 pages and half of it is graphics. The failures you describe account for one of the 8 categories where the BB lost.

    The BlackBerry has its advantages too

    Sure it does, but reliability does not seem to be one of them, based on the presented data.

    ...can make 3G calls without dropping them every 2 minutes (I have friends who have iPhones, and yes this is actually the average amount of time they can hold a call)

    Call Quality was one of the categories and it racks up a point every time a user had a dropped call. The BB lost in that category as well.

    Reading the comments here has been depressing. No one seems to have read the study, but everyone wants to interject an anecdote about reliability they think helps justify their purchasing decision and, thus, defends their ego. I expected at least one person to say they were surprised by the study, accept the conclusions, and then tell us why that would or would not influence their future purchases.

  68. Battery by Eideteker · · Score: 1

    But can you replace your own iPhone battery (without invalidating the warranty)? Or is it still soldered to the board?

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  69. More Importantly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What was the distribution of brands within the 15,000? And furthermore, lets have a look at the stats for AFTER the first year!

  70. Bullsh.. by Punker22 · · Score: 1

    Well lets see here, there are two entirely different groups of people that use each phone I think. The iPhone is a teen/early twenties phone, most of it's days are spent in a dorm room or sitting in a locker somewhere. Whereas the blackberry is used by business people or technicians (me) and often doesn't sit in the office or in a book bag. It sits on your belt clip and I think that's the real culprit those effing belt clips... bastards.

  71. It's obvious by recharged95 · · Score: 1
    People use their blackberries. Indoor and out.

    .

    People stare at their iPhones.

    Or at least use them at their desk since it's only useful with a WiFi connection.

  72. Windows Mobile? stable? I don't think so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not in my experience. Two or three reboots per week until I got rid of it. They might as well call it "Pocket Vista".

  73. Which Fruit by concoursrider · · Score: 1

    I guess that settles it, of the two fruits the corporate one goes rotten first...

  74. Re: salaried work by Bert64 · · Score: 1

    That works so long as it's give and take...
    But many companies want you to be in the office 9-5 *AND* available at arbitrary hours.
    I have no issue being available for the occasional out of hours task, so long as i get some flexibility in return.

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