You can hardly cast the X-Box as half-assed. While the investment hasn't rendered the return expected yet, even Hemos says "X-Box isn't dead yet - not by a long shot.". I know that many readers concider Hemos a beta test of human cloning, but he speaks the truth this time.
While microsoft can't turn out the growth that the company has stolen from it's costomers in the past, doesn't mean that they don't have plenty of cash on hand. In this case in paticular, they are listening to the public enough to realize that not only do we not like what they are doing, they can't force us to use it, and we will not if they don't.
I too look forward to the day when Microsoft is tamed into a shrew of a company that can't afford to die, but cant afford to do anything real in the market place. That being said, it's hard to put your hand on the pulse of Microsoft's marketing engine unless your the direct recipent of it's ploys. Trust me friend. For-Hire closed source developers like MS's spoon feeding them a soft diet of Visual-This and.NET-that. I expect these developers will adopt the new versions of Microsoft because the company they work for doesn't want to deal with retraining thier development staff.
You may think you see them tossing in the towel, but what you actually see are the threads of the towel falling into the ring as they are whipping the cornors back and forth across the backs of millions of developers
not only is he right, but your right. All data point to the fact that any thickness or heat miscalculation regarding the fluid will result in the balance being off. But I have to differ about one this. It would seem that if a monkey can do sign language, then your love with the tech-idea will fade. I know this because one day the monkey will give you the ASL sign for up yours, and you will not be very happy about it. We all know that one man can not serve to masters, so it is impossable to say that you could be in love with the tech-idea and at the same time in love with the monkey who is punking you from behing.
So in conclution. your "Oops lets try it again" timeline is wrong and I think you know it. But I still agree about the weight thing.
Electromagnetic drives to move a vessle in water proved to be to high a challenge to fund. While we are still working on effecencies, the current weight to thrust ratio is that of a model rocket engine pushing an adult's mountain bike. The technology is improving, but with funding this low, we spend a lot more time at our desks then we do in the labs.
That post was a bad move man... If you really are with the company, you should be getting your web site off of it's knees and answer the phone. As a potential customer, I hate to see you posting here. As a company man, you should talk to Sal in marketing( or across the kitchen table from you), he would tell you it looks bad to argue with people that don't matter.
I'll see your , but costs in paying engineers and operations staff, costs for upkeep and service contracts for hardware, the list goes on and on
and raise you a
All ISP's have to build staff, support, maintenance, and growth cost into their billing. And so while those are huge expenses, if the company is loosing money on those services it's because they made a choice to do so.
you see? The second part of this post, was also the second part of my first reply to you. So please come up with a better argument then that.
Reality says that my mom would love to see her ancestry tree come boiling down her cable at 1000mbps. She doesn't know what a megabit is. She's used to the Telephone Company charging her per minute. If "47&7" allowed her to have as much bandwidth as she could stomach, she would use up her month in only a few days. By keeping her speed relatively low, she is less inclined to "splurge" on the bandwidth she uses. It's takes 30mins to down load some of her files. If it only took 10 seconds, she might be more inclined to up/download the file 6 or 7 time a day as she edits it. I agree that maybe they should install an "advanced users" option, but to open the general public to unlimited bandwidth that they would have to pay for would be irresponsible.
You'd be surprised at how much you've been ripping your provider off all these years.
I have to disagree. I haven't worked in the NOC of an ISP in years, but this is much is still true. If you own the network, you don't have to pay to use it. Also true, if you own a big enough network, other peer networks allow you to connect to them at what amounts to a reciprocal cost. (I connect to UUNet, and they connect to me. In that way we usually use the same amount of each others network, and thus we charge each other the same price for connection < the charge is a formality >)
All ISP's have to build staff, support, maintenance, and growth cost into their billing. And so while those are huge expenses, if the company is loosing money on those services it's because they made a choice to do so.
There is no additional cost to the provider if i download 1Meg/Month vs. 100Meg/Month, because they own the network. Now someone who downloads 1Mbps vs. 100Mbps is a real issue. While the company owns the network, the network is still a finite resource. There are only so many Mbps at any given second. And if you are using 80% of the company's bandwidth, then you cost them more, because all of the other customers share only 20% and then leave the service because they are unsatisfied with the speed. So in that you drive away customers by hogging the bandwidth, you cost the company more money.
That being said, let's say "47&7" company owns a network big enough to let each of their customers have 50kbps simultaneously. If I keep my 50kbps open at 100% 24/7/52, then I cost the company nothing. I am only allowed to use what I am allotted and I am not using someone else's bandwidth. There is an algorithm out there that says that between X o'clock and Y o'clock z number of people is using the network. So then if they calculate the number of people that use the network, and the average amount of time that they spend, you can lock in a bandwidth number that doesn't infringe on you bandwidth limit.
Now, The problem with what they are doing is they are going to charge you guys for using what they have already allotted me. I keep my bandwidth open as much as mechanically possible, but people like me are part of the fore mentioned algorithm. I'm way ahead of the yahoo games playing mom, or the porn-browsing dad. But I'm not new to the game. ISP have been dealing with the likes of me for years. I don't have a problem paying more than the average Joe. I would gladly pay $10/Mth more to keep my bandwidth open, but It's not fair to those who have "excessive" downloads 1 or 2 times a month.
Corporate greed it still nothing more than greed. And when you say that I have no idea how I'm stealing from my ISP, you're wrong... I do have an idea, no I have the answer. And the answer is, under the user agreement that I signed, and under the limits that they set on my connection, I'm not stealing at all, but rather, I'm taking full advantage of the service that I pay for.
We could have a sabbatical style party. We all grab our weapons of choice, put on the "I'm not a spammer" color coded jacket, and start on one of the largest game hunts ever!!!!. We could set up teams and make it into a search and kill competition. That would be a great way to parlay all that paint gun experience into something useful and wholesome. Thank you Nigeria!
First lets talk physical removal from any machine. Even if you can't carry it around with you, you need not have it hard wired to the box. These boxes from are nice additions to keep you away from things like fan noise. And/Or you might opt for an older, all in one machine, that has an OS and can access the application server(s), like this one that you can find at.
There are a ton of web based email servers that host their own web client. Post.Office by is the best of breed, with other playing in the field for less money. If your local "viewer" is a windows hosted boxen, you can use Exceed from and you will find you can run x11 apps like they lived on your box.
You can employee all of these to secure your "server" machine, and sleep shoundly that if you have a hardware failure, you can still be running on your way. However I must inform you that the absolute best way to remove problems from your machine is deinstall windows of any kind.
I know that I'll get in trouble for showing my ignorance, not to mention my lack of grammar or my atrocious spelling ability, but I have a question about the storie's line about "free as in beer".
I remember when I wanted to know where "all your bases..." came from. I asked in a semi relevant article and someone was nice enough to point me in the right direction. While I'm sure that there is a deep philosophical meaning, I wonder what "free as in beer" refers to. Of course, beer is not free, and so I'm curious if the phrase means that beer should be free, or that free might mean something else in these cases.
Sorry to bother the community at large, but if any would be so kind to fill me in on this one, I would appreciate it.
Thousands of Tons? Sillicon Valley has more concrete than that... come on. I happen to know that our building alone has over a million tons of concrete.
"something that doesn't exactly happen every day in big business"
Big business isn't the point here. The point of ATA is to be a cheap consumer product. And, if it becomes a standard, it will only take a metter of weeks for Gateway, Dell, HP, IBM, Micron, Etc, to start shipping the new drives. Then the change starts to take over the world.
Do you think manufacturers are waiting for a gun to fire so that they can start making duplicators? Design plans for this type of equipment started as soon as the standard started to take shape. I expect to be able to buy a SATA machine from stores two or three months after the standard is approved.
I see where you are coming from, but the wheels of the electronics business wait on nothing.
I agree with the bed shaped robot bit... that cought my eye.
However, I did also want to tell you that the robots at the museum are not increadably responsive. They react to a predefined set of movements, and they are neat to look at, but the fact is, if you have to learn how to use it, and it can't do anything of it's own volision... it's still a tool/toy. They are not fully moble bipeds like the artical would lead you to believe
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You can hardly cast the X-Box as half-assed. While the investment hasn't rendered the return expected yet, even Hemos says " X-Box isn't dead yet - not by a long shot. ". I know that many readers concider Hemos a beta test of human cloning, but he speaks the truth this time.
.NET-that. I expect these developers will adopt the new versions of Microsoft because the company they work for doesn't want to deal with retraining thier development staff.
While microsoft can't turn out the growth that the company has stolen from it's costomers in the past, doesn't mean that they don't have plenty of cash on hand. In this case in paticular, they are listening to the public enough to realize that not only do we not like what they are doing, they can't force us to use it, and we will not if they don't.
I too look forward to the day when Microsoft is tamed into a shrew of a company that can't afford to die, but cant afford to do anything real in the market place. That being said, it's hard to put your hand on the pulse of Microsoft's marketing engine unless your the direct recipent of it's ploys. Trust me friend. For-Hire closed source developers like MS's spoon feeding them a soft diet of Visual-This and
You may think you see them tossing in the towel, but what you actually see are the threads of the towel falling into the ring as they are whipping the cornors back and forth across the backs of millions of developers
</soapbox>
so are you saying that if enough people scream and shout, that you still shouldn't meddle in the affairs of dragons?
sorry.. it was funny in my head. next time i'll keep it there.
This is a great day in the US. Not that our technology legislation is that much to be proud of, but today is a great day.
not only is he right, but your right. All data point to the fact that any thickness or heat miscalculation regarding the fluid will result in the balance being off. But I have to differ about one this. It would seem that if a monkey can do sign language, then your love with the tech-idea will fade. I know this because one day the monkey will give you the ASL sign for up yours, and you will not be very happy about it. We all know that one man can not serve to masters, so it is impossable to say that you could be in love with the tech-idea and at the same time in love with the monkey who is punking you from behing.
So in conclution. your "Oops lets try it again" timeline is wrong and I think you know it. But I still agree about the weight thing.
Electromagnetic drives to move a vessle in water proved to be to high a challenge to fund. While we are still working on effecencies, the current weight to thrust ratio is that of a model rocket engine pushing an adult's mountain bike. The technology is improving, but with funding this low, we spend a lot more time at our desks then we do in the labs.
That post was a bad move man... If you really are with the company, you should be getting your web site off of it's knees and answer the phone. As a potential customer, I hate to see you posting here. As a company man, you should talk to Sal in marketing( or across the kitchen table from you), he would tell you it looks bad to argue with people that don't matter.
+1 clue
Okay,
I'll see your , but costs in paying engineers and operations staff, costs for upkeep and service contracts for hardware, the list goes on and on
and raise you a
All ISP's have to build staff, support, maintenance, and growth cost into their billing. And so while those are huge expenses, if the company is loosing money on those services it's because they made a choice to do so.
you see? The second part of this post, was also the second part of my first reply to you. So please come up with a better argument then that.
You Karma Whore
even busted witht the clever dept. title... way to go chris... who the hell is chrisd?
from the he's-looking-au-kid dept.
Reality says that my mom would love to see her ancestry tree come boiling down her cable at 1000mbps. She doesn't know what a megabit is. She's used to the Telephone Company charging her per minute. If "47&7" allowed her to have as much bandwidth as she could stomach, she would use up her month in only a few days. By keeping her speed relatively low, she is less inclined to "splurge" on the bandwidth she uses. It's takes 30mins to down load some of her files. If it only took 10 seconds, she might be more inclined to up/download the file 6 or 7 time a day as she edits it. I agree that maybe they should install an "advanced users" option, but to open the general public to unlimited bandwidth that they would have to pay for would be irresponsible.
You'd be surprised at how much you've been ripping your provider off all these years.
I have to disagree. I haven't worked in the NOC of an ISP in years, but this is much is still true. If you own the network, you don't have to pay to use it. Also true, if you own a big enough network, other peer networks allow you to connect to them at what amounts to a reciprocal cost. (I connect to UUNet, and they connect to me. In that way we usually use the same amount of each others network, and thus we charge each other the same price for connection < the charge is a formality >)
All ISP's have to build staff, support, maintenance, and growth cost into their billing. And so while those are huge expenses, if the company is loosing money on those services it's because they made a choice to do so.
There is no additional cost to the provider if i download 1Meg/Month vs. 100Meg/Month, because they own the network. Now someone who downloads 1Mbps vs. 100Mbps is a real issue. While the company owns the network, the network is still a finite resource. There are only so many Mbps at any given second. And if you are using 80% of the company's bandwidth, then you cost them more, because all of the other customers share only 20% and then leave the service because they are unsatisfied with the speed. So in that you drive away customers by hogging the bandwidth, you cost the company more money.
That being said, let's say "47&7" company owns a network big enough to let each of their customers have 50kbps simultaneously. If I keep my 50kbps open at 100% 24/7/52, then I cost the company nothing. I am only allowed to use what I am allotted and I am not using someone else's bandwidth. There is an algorithm out there that says that between X o'clock and Y o'clock z number of people is using the network. So then if they calculate the number of people that use the network, and the average amount of time that they spend, you can lock in a bandwidth number that doesn't infringe on you bandwidth limit.
Now, The problem with what they are doing is they are going to charge you guys for using what they have already allotted me. I keep my bandwidth open as much as mechanically possible, but people like me are part of the fore mentioned algorithm. I'm way ahead of the yahoo games playing mom, or the porn-browsing dad. But I'm not new to the game. ISP have been dealing with the likes of me for years. I don't have a problem paying more than the average Joe. I would gladly pay $10/Mth more to keep my bandwidth open, but It's not fair to those who have "excessive" downloads 1 or 2 times a month.
Corporate greed it still nothing more than greed. And when you say that I have no idea how I'm stealing from my ISP, you're wrong... I do have an idea, no I have the answer. And the answer is, under the user agreement that I signed, and under the limits that they set on my connection, I'm not stealing at all, but rather, I'm taking full advantage of the service that I pay for.
</soapbox>
forgive me, but why would a baby bell (i assume you mean phone) want you to have digital tvs in my home?
We could have a sabbatical style party. We all grab our weapons of choice, put on the "I'm not a spammer" color coded jacket, and start on one of the largest game hunts ever!!!!. We could set up teams and make it into a search and kill competition. That would be a great way to parlay all that paint gun experience into something useful and wholesome. Thank you Nigeria!
:P
I can't wait to tell mom, she'll be so proud.
If someone says CA's CCC/Harvest in front of you, RUN, don't walk RUN!!!!!
You want proof? you can't handle the proof!
No, really if you want proof that they are tracking me look here or you might see why I feel this way here
Please don't scoff at my insane perinoia!
First lets talk physical removal from any machine. Even if you can't carry it around with you, you need not have it hard wired to the box. These boxes from are nice additions to keep you away from things like fan noise. And/Or you might opt for an older, all in one machine, that has an OS and can access the application server(s), like this one that you can find at.
There are a ton of web based email servers that host their own web client. Post.Office by is the best of breed, with other playing in the field for less money. If your local "viewer" is a windows hosted boxen, you can use Exceed from and you will find you can run x11 apps like they lived on your box.
You can find information about mirroring at, and more about load balancing at
You can employee all of these to secure your "server" machine, and sleep shoundly that if you have a hardware failure, you can still be running on your way. However I must inform you that the absolute best way to remove problems from your machine is deinstall windows of any kind.
I know that I'll get in trouble for showing my ignorance, not to mention my lack of grammar or my atrocious spelling ability, but I have a question about the storie's line about "free as in beer".
I remember when I wanted to know where "all your bases..." came from. I asked in a semi relevant article and someone was nice enough to point me in the right direction. While I'm sure that there is a deep philosophical meaning, I wonder what "free as in beer" refers to. Of course, beer is not free, and so I'm curious if the phrase means that beer should be free, or that free might mean something else in these cases.
Sorry to bother the community at large, but if any would be so kind to fill me in on this one, I would appreciate it.
Thanks
Thousands of Tons? Sillicon Valley has more concrete than that... come on. I happen to know that our building alone has over a million tons of concrete.
"something that doesn't exactly happen every day in big business"
Big business isn't the point here. The point of ATA is to be a cheap consumer product. And, if it becomes a standard, it will only take a metter of weeks for Gateway, Dell, HP, IBM, Micron, Etc, to start shipping the new drives. Then the change starts to take over the world.
Do you think manufacturers are waiting for a gun to fire so that they can start making duplicators? Design plans for this type of equipment started as soon as the standard started to take shape. I expect to be able to buy a SATA machine from stores two or three months after the standard is approved.
I see where you are coming from, but the wheels of the electronics business wait on nothing.
Can I be the first to say "All anybody will ever need is 800MB/s"
:)
You may begin to immortalize me now.
where is the guy with the funny mirror links when we need him?
I agree with the bed shaped robot bit... that cought my eye.
However, I did also want to tell you that the robots at the museum are not increadably responsive. They react to a predefined set of movements, and they are neat to look at, but the fact is, if you have to learn how to use it, and it can't do anything of it's own volision... it's still a tool/toy. They are not fully moble bipeds like the artical would lead you to believe
Not binary at all. While it has only to instructions, you can still deal with i/o in a broader range than 0's & 1's
then don't go to sleep silly boy :)
spoken like someone who know the value of CMS vs. VCS