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The Post 9/11 Tech Boom

Day by day, it's becoming clear that one region's tragedy -- the 9/11 terrorist attacks -- is another region's opportunity. Despite much hype to the contrary, Silicon Valley is quite alive and well, as is our increasingy data-driven, tech-based economy. As Newsweek and other publications have recently pointed out, the tech crash weeded out a lot of junk and spawned some real innovation. Keep those resumes up to date. Wall Street analysts have been buzzing for months now about the new spending about to be unleashed as government, business and private citizens turn to technology to fight terrorism, improve security, shore up our business and communications infrastructure, and protect the country from a wide-ranging series of horrors from "dirty bombs" to bio-terrorism. The battlezone is going digital.

"The battlefield will not be physical so much as it will be digital," Rob Owens, a tech industry analyst at Pacific Crest Securities in Portland, Ore., told the San Francisco Chronicle recently. "There will definitely be people who prosper in this new environment."

Owens and other analysts point to these factors:

  • A need for more secure technologies for Net traffic, business communications, computer networks, travel and building architecture, along with the predictably more sophisticated components for new weaponry.

  • A huge increase in "homeland security" spending not only by governments, but among biotech firms as the country expects and prepares for attacks potentially more lethal than those on New York and Washington.

  • A boon for telecom and video conferencing companies and systems. Not only will many corporations choose to do business without sending executives on the road, but such systems are seen as increasingly vital communications backups in the event of widespread attacks on an existing communications infrastructure. By the same token, it would make sense that in stressful times people will spend more time shopping, talking, amusing themselves and doing business on the Net, as they did in the days after 9/11.

  • Continuing increases in sales across the tech spectrum as individuals, businesses and governments make sure their hardware and software systems can deal with the challenges and problems of a post 9/11 world.

The media are feeding these trends. Not only are the images of 9/11 horrific and continual, but the war in Afghanistan has -- correctly or not -- enhanced the idea that technologies are our only feasible response to the profoundly changed geopolitical reality that Osama Bin-Laden created last fall. The fact that we have undermined a terrorist network and overturned a repressive government in weeks, with only a handful of American casualties, has transformed the way even Americans think of technology. This isn't a time for a tech slump, but another boom, perhaps of even greater proportions than the last one.

397 comments

  1. Guilty Conscience by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Yes, you too can be a part of turning our country into a Big Brother state. No longer the home of the brave and land of the free, America is now home of the sheeple and land of scared shitless.

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    1. Re:Guilty Conscience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I wonder if this is not a case of the candle makers cursing the invention of the light bulb.

      Sure, technology can be misused. But so can many inventions. At the time the printing press was introduced in Europe, the scare was that this horrible invention, and flood of low-cost books it promised, would destroy the art of conversation and story telling.

      So I don't think technology makes for a "Big Brother State". Hell, there was McCarthyism in the 50s, when U.S. technology was, well, primitive by today's standards. Instead, bad laws and bad government make for this situation.

      I for one welcome the reliance on technology. I'm fluent in technologies, and look forward to the new literacy.

      Enjoy the light, you candle maker.

    2. Re:Guilty Conscience by EchoMirage · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nice appeal to pity and weak analogy to Orwell. Unfortunately you've done nothing except spout a cliché phrase and failed to back it up with a single example, topped off with a touch of pessimism and vulgarity to make yourself look witty.

      However, since you've failed to give a single example of how we're turning into a "Big Brother" state. Where are the telescreens? the secret police everywhere? the cameras that monitor my every move? Do you have an real examples, or are you just another raving paranoid who is convinced off-handedly that since you don't understand the complexities of republic government and every single facet of the government's doing hasn't been disclosed to you, that there must be a conspiracy to wipe away your freedoms, since everybody in government is just inherently evil and have no thought for the wellfare of the people whom they govern over (even though they're citizens of this state too). Maybe you'll be quoting Gary Allen to me next? Grow up.

      +1 for my straw man. Moderators, bring the parent post down, now.

    3. Re:Guilty Conscience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yes, you too can be a part of turning our country into a Big Brother state. No longer the home of the brave and land of the free, America is now home of the sheeple and land of scared shitless.

      *sigh* I guess you trade one set of values for the other. As a conservative, I kind of thought that getting Clinton out and someone from the right in would slow down the massive loss of personal rights we have been seeing a trend towards in the last few years, but alas, we have simply traded the level of those rights. Gun purchases are up, as are SUV purchases, and home security systems, but quickly flitting away is your right to privacy online (which is what most of those "more secure technologies" means.. secure to joe schmoe in Idaho, but totally accessible by your ISP, your government, and your software author.) Gone is my right to wear clothing that I think is "hip" or "kewl" because some airport screener thinks that makes me a commie. Hell, even women are starting to get lip for wearing underwires, which lead to strip searches.

      I dont know.. Im not sure anymore *which* one I would rather see.. loss of my privacy in my home (thank you Reno, Clinton) or loss of my freedom to think and associate freely (thank you Rumsfeld and Ridge). I dont consider myself a threat.. but at the same time, god FORBID you should "profile" based on the fact that every person involved in the hijackings was of the same basic age and physical description..

      Cant we just throw this system out? As Carlin said.. "Baskin robins.. 42 flavors.. political system? 2 freakin flavors! TWO!.. which is more important to have choices in?"

      Maeryk
      (ac only because my password is acting six kinds of stupid suddenly)

    4. Re:Guilty Conscience by tenman · · Score: 4, Funny

      You want proof? you can't handle the proof!

      No, really if you want proof that they are tracking me look here or you might see why I feel this way here

      Please don't scoff at my insane perinoia!

    5. Re:Guilty Conscience by jo42 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Dear Jon,

      Can I have what you are smoking or shooting up? Once again you have demonstrated that you have no clue as to the real world. Perhaps you and the (tired) Wired crowd should stop blowing smoke up each others backsides.

      First, go out and learn the basics of how business works and the basics of economics. When you have done that, little boy, you will see the error of your ways and wonder how the fork you could ever write and post cr*p like that.

    6. Re:Guilty Conscience by Forgiven_Sinner · · Score: 1

      Political systems succeed because their ideas succeed. The Republicans are based on business and conservative values, the Democrats, on the poor and progressive/liberal (pick one!) values.

      Libertarians have been trying to sell their ideas since before Ayn Rand, but few are buying.

      Tell us what ideas you wish to promote and then you must sell the ideas to the masses.

      The American people are resistant to change. There have been few successful 3rd parties in our 231 years of our nation: Know Nothings, Bull Moose, Free Silver, American Independent Party and whatever Ross Perot's was. These 3rd parties are usually built around a charismatic personality who can galvanize a group to the cause: William Jennings Bryan, Teddy Roosevelt, George Wallace, Ross Perot.

      So, if you want a smorgasbord, you'd better get someone to sell the ideas to the American people. I don't think they want a smorgasbord--I think they want things to stay the same, only get better, for them.

    7. Re:Guilty Conscience by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 2

      I'm curious, why do you say people feared that the printing press would wipe out the art of story telling? What's your source?

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    8. Re:Guilty Conscience by Horne-fisher · · Score: 1

      This isn't a time for a tech slump, but another boom, perhaps of even greater proportions than the last one.

      I will confess that I went through the article looking for absurdities. This particular line is a gem.

      Too bad Wall Street isn't listening.

    9. Re:Guilty Conscience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Political systems succeed because their ideas succeed. The Republicans are based on business and conservative values, the Democrats, on the poor and progressive/liberal (pick one!) values.

      Yes, but we also have the (apparent) problem of the two major parties, (and possibly the entire system) trying very hard to keep any successful third party down. Sure, Perot's bunch of wingnuts and Forbes' crew had some good ideas, and had some good grass roots support.. and you can put all the support behind them you want, but its a catch 22. Without "registered" voters, the party is pointless... however, if you "register" you cant vote in the primary unless you register one of two parties. So the whole system sucks. I remember reading an article about the fact that the Libertarians had enough of a vote that they SHOULD officially be a third party.. (with numbers to support it, tho I have no idea of the validity) yet people seemed to be ignoring that quite readily.

      I think the problem now boils down to idealism, and the huge voting gap in the unwashed masses.. Clinton, I believe, won because of the MTV vote..
      and most of those people who wouldnt have otherwise voted, voted upon vaporware issues, and silly spur-of-the-moment equality beliefs.

      I dont know what can be done to change it, but I think SOMETHING needs to be done. The press is so screamingly controlled by liberal belief that most of the conservative mouthpieces (Christian Science monitor, WSJ, etc) tend to get pooh-poohed as a bunch of loonies. Plus "mean" has become a buzz word.. "Well.. conservatives are MEAN, they dont want (x) person with (y) kids to get a welfare check! VOTE THEM OUT".

      I think part of the problem is politics has become so obfusive, and so well hidden, and so underhanded, it is impossible anymore to keep an eye on who is doing what, or who feels way on what issue, and a lot of people would rather wash their hands and say "It doesnt make a difference" rather than try to puzzle it out and make an informed choice.

      Maeryk

    10. Re:Guilty Conscience by majestyk2000 · · Score: 1

      Libertarians have been trying to sell their ideas since before Ayn Rand, but few are buying

      I know you weren't specifically knocking Ayn Rand, but I'll put on my flame suit anyway and ask "What exactly is supposed to be so wrong with Ayn Rand's philosophy? I know that at the core she was just railing for something that was the anti-Communism, but Objectivism as it is stated seems to make a lot of sense to me. I mean, when people characterize it as simply a way to justify being selfish (in the bad sense of the term), then I can see the problem. However, that isn't what Objectivism is about. Read a few books on the subject and you'll know what I mean.

    11. Re:Guilty Conscience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      funny, replace "Islamic" with "Christian" and vice versa and you get THEIR argument...

      Go join the Gestapo, terrorist

    12. Re:Guilty Conscience by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1
      Strawman is right. But guess what, even though you thought the extremes in your strawman were completely impossible in the land of the free, you are wrong. Here's the proof you asked for:

      Where are the telescreens?
      FBI and CIA spyware in the forms of Magic Lantern, Carnivore and Echelon just for starters. Your computer may not be forced to be on all the time, but it sure is two-way and it sure is possible for it to be used to spy on you and probably is via carnivore every time you send or receive email.

      The secret police everywhere? The most obvious example of the increased powers of the secret police is the mendaciously named "USA PATRIOT Act" which has been criticized from the right, the left and just about every other leaning as well.

      The cameras that monitor my every move?
      Tampa, Boston, Orlando, Washington DC are all places with cameras in public areas like sports arenas, streets and airports watching and recording everyone that passes in their field of view. Then there are the traffic cameras that have been installed all across the nation from DC to Hawaii. Plus, don't forget, big business's contribution to Big Brother's campaign - the survelliance camera which you can count on recording your every move inside (and out) of almost any corporate owned retail establishment. That one doesn't even need a link they are so ubiquitous.

      So, you see see, even your vain attempt to set up a strawman does not do the problem justice. We are a nation of cowards who long ago sacrificied our liberties for a few ineffective promises of security - if anything the terrorist attack on 9/11 is proof of that. So what do we let our government do? Even more of the same ineffective, yet terribly stiffling, practices that hurt the common man and do so very little to prevent further attacks. Previously each sacrifice was just one small change, hardly anything to be concerned about, but since 9/11 in the degree of the slope has taken a huge curve downward.

      P.S. If you think the class of politicians and lawyers are even close to being equal citizens of the state with the average Joe, you are the raving lunatic. Either that, or a member of the privilged elite yourself with a blind eye towards the real state of the nation. If you can't believe that, just take a look at the benefits of being a member of the ruling class in Washington - no mandatory social security - they have their own plan with better returns and more guarantees - they are exempt from the federal fair labor practices laws - they have (good!)health insurance for life as well as a huge pension for life, even after serving only one term. It's a nice gig if you can get it.

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      When information is power, privacy is freedom.
    13. Re:Guilty Conscience by sister_snape · · Score: 1

      What makes for a Big Brother state is being too busy arguing minutae to notice what the technology is being used for and by whom. And when we do notice far to few of us are willing to raise enough of a stink to be inconvenient to those making the rules. So they increase in power and capability and we whine more until we make ourselves sick of whining and then we pick at each other's posts instead. Wonderful, heh? WHAT new literacy??? Some 25% of the US adult population is illiterate. Technology by itself will not fix this or anything else.

    14. Re:Guilty Conscience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > but at the same time, god FORBID you should
      > "profile" based on the fact that every person
      > involved in the hijackings was of the same
      > basic age and physical description..
      >
      How does *anyone* know? Last time I checked they all burned!
      Because CNN and Blair said so? Please...

  2. Well Duh by Ars-Fartsica · · Score: 3, Troll
    Yes its pretty obvious that security is booming in software right now, but its about the only place that there is any demand on innovation. Web services are stuck in the white paper phase, games are in the incremental phase, and enterprise software is more or less a done deal as far as the market is concerned.

    All a programmer needs to know these days to polish his resume is to continue to name the correct protocols and standards to get their resume through the HR text filter, and keep boning up on idiot languages like VB and Java.

    1. Re:Well Duh by abigor · · Score: 1

      Actually, enterprise Java development is doing rather well. And I'd hardly consider Java an "idiot" language -- I say this as someone with a decade of professional C and C++ programming behind him. Programming is about the design; getting cool points for one's language of implementation won't help ship the product on time.

      After reading posts like the parent, I sure wish more actual programmers would post on Slashdot.

    2. Re:Well Duh by Computer! · · Score: 2

      All a programmer needs to know these days to polish his resume is to [...] keep boning up on idiot languages like VB and Java.

      There are more VB programmers than programmers in any other language on Earth. Just because it doesn't have operator overloading doesn't make it an "idiot language". You'll notice that the trend in computing is towards more BASIC-style languages, not obfuscated C-type syntax spaghetti. Note also that VB was one of the very first languages that allowed non-professionals to write object code.

      Both VB and Java are behind several DoD projects, and are the impetus for many newer languages, like C#.

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    3. Re:Well Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are more ignorant than katz for calling languages like java idiotic. If you are going to make a bold statement like that maybe you should back it up with some reasoning and a point.

    4. Re:Well Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well Said. Java is being used by several government agencies to upgrade their IT systems.

    5. Re:Well Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Both VB and Java are behind several DoD projects

      One VB project that I know of is being declared a total loss and rewritten in C++, mostly because VB is too slow and depends too much on 3rd party components that all change too fast, so the owner of the software is no longer in control of the code.

  3. My grandfather has a phrase for this type of stuff by Profane+Motherfucker · · Score: 0, Funny

    He's a wise old geezer. I love the guy. This 2145 word blather is best summed up with one of his favorite phrases: lip music.

    My god, this reads like a fucking dry and tired corporate report. All gloss, 150lpi printing, svelte color, clad in delicate paper, but sorely lacking in substance. Katz, what the fuck is your deal? You have the chance to say something meaningful, and all you do is regrugitate the IHT, a 3Com year end statement, and a little of MSNBC. This is such horseshit.

  4. Mmmm... Katz! by andy@petdance.com · · Score: 5, Funny

    Post-Columbine, now Post-9/11. What other horrors can turn into tech articles?

    1. Re:Mmmm... Katz! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It must be all of the computers we're selling to the Afghanis.

    2. Re:Mmmm... Katz! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      God, you have no idea.

      When you see what Cowboy Neal and Taco get into when things start to come unravlled. Well, let's just say that Charlie Manson looks like a schoolkid in comparison.

      I know that this is true, I channeled this straight from Ashtar command!

    3. Re:Mmmm... Katz! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would someone please start moderating "JonKatz is lame" posts as redundant? It might have been amusing, once.

      Maurkov

    4. Re:Mmmm... Katz! by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 2

      From the people who brought you 'post modernism'... post-columbine, post 9/11
      post breakfast cereal...

      It used to be, people just chose one date in their past and stuck with it, be it the believed birth of a savior or the believed creation of the world. Now we dig up our axis mundi ever three or four years or so, and have the 'trial of the century' ever decade. I just love media generated sensationalism.

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    5. Re:Mmmm... Katz! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good lord, there wouldn't be any posts if that happened.

      They only keep Katz around because he annoys so many people and drives the Hit-O-Meter upwards.

      Myself, I don't even bother to read his stuff anymore - just the commentary. He's not a *bad* writer but he sure isn't *good*.

    6. Re:Mmmm... Katz! by 0xbaadf00d · · Score: 1

      Talk about intolerance and violence....

    7. Re:Mmmm... Katz! by psamuels · · Score: 2
      Post-Columbine, now Post-9/11. What other horrors can turn into tech articles?

      Maybe after the next Star Wars movie comes out, and it turns out not to suck as bad as the last one did, JonKatz will realise that Lucas has forever changed our viewpoint on the suckiness of Star Wars prequel and then suddenly everything will have a "post-Episode II" angle.

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  5. tech boom ahead by Seany-Heady · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The fact that there is a tech boom ahead is perfectly logical if you look back at history.

    turning any time of threat to the country much money has been invested into tech advance... look at the computer during WWII and it's aftermath. or firearms during the civil war.

    Seany

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    "Where ever you go, there you are"
    1. Re:tech boom ahead by Spit_Fire1 · · Score: 1

      It's also in war the economy booms, we are now just coming off the gulf war, so with this we will be good for a few years

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      "The secret of success is to know something nobody else knows." -Aristotle Onassis
    2. Re:tech boom ahead by Captain+Large+Face · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As pointed out, advancements in weaponary are commonplace during times of human conflict. Aviation and nuclear technology also advanced greatly during the Second World War, as did seige weaponary during European conflicts during the middle ages.

      Thankfully, it's not only advancements in deadly weaponary that are made - medicinal advancements are also made in the times of epidemics, such as the Cholera epidemic that gripped Europe.

      Unfortunately, the Western world doesn't seem to notice the AIDS epidemic ravaging parts of Africa at the moment. If AIDS was to get to the same levels in Europe or North America, you can bet a little more money would be spent...

    3. Re:tech boom ahead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If AIDS was to get to the same levels in Europe or North America, you can bet a little more money would be spent...

      Well, maybe a little more money. Chiefly it would be the amount of money needed to print and distribute leaflets and run some television ads saying AIDS is not cured by raping virgins.

    4. Re:tech boom ahead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the computer to be invented, a lot of things had to be done first. The mathematics had to be thought out, designs and other stuff like that which were developed before WWII.

      You know it's super-easy to think of counter-examples to the above statement about tech boooms after wars. The space rockets, internet, digital media etc wasn't a cause of some war.

      It's always easy to find examples to support your arguement. Just because 2+2=4 doesn't mean any two numbers added is 4. The trick is to not find any counterexamples.

    5. Re:tech boom ahead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny... I still seem to be the only one of my "clique" that is employed... everyone else still seems to be searching for thos super nice jobs they had before they were let off (and no they aren't MCSE dummies or IT workers).

    6. Re:tech boom ahead by psamuels · · Score: 1
      Aviation and nuclear technology also advanced greatly during the Second World War, as did seige weaponary during European conflicts during the middle ages.

      Ummm, not to disagree with your thesis, but didn't the "European conflicts during the middle ages" last for pretty much the whole middle ages? You kind of lose perspective on how "fast" things advance when they have the space of a Hundred Years' War, as opposed to six years of WWII.

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    7. Re:tech boom ahead by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 2
      Right now HIV basically treatable, at least for those with enough money. For thie reason and this reason alone, you're not going to see much of a huge push for HIV research for a few years.

      The BIG event is still coming up: an HIV vaccine (AIDSVAX) is currently undergong phase III clinical trials, and gods willing, will hit the market in a couple of years. How much would you pay for such a vaccine?

      A cure is maybe a couple of decades away...this virus is a tough nut to crack. The only way we're going to slow it down in Africa and Asia is through education and changing attitudes; both of these are hard, but nowhere nearly as hard as finding a cure for this damn thing.

  6. undermined? by Requiem · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The fact that we have undermined a terrorist network and overturned a repressive government in weeks...

    Have we really? Last time I checked neither bin Laden nor Mohommad Omar had been captured, nor seen, and few if any high-ranking officials in Al-Qaeda had been captured.

    I think the US was very efficient in how they handled the situation, but let's be serious: it's not even close to resolved.

    1. Re:undermined? by Afrosheen · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, when the people you're searching for are Ex-CIA operatives (yes bin Laden and crew had CIA backing to fight Russia for a decade and received training), they already know most of your tricks and some new ones of their own. Makes it alot harder especially when it's not your home turf. Russia tried to invade Afghanistan for 10 freakin' years to no avail. Do you think the US can fly over there, bomb the hell out of the rubble, drop some ground troops and mission accomplished? Nope.

    2. Re:undermined? by Lord+Ender · · Score: 2

      Hate to break it to ya, but we already did.

      With the Taliban gone, this opens up free world trade to Afghanastan, which is sure to benifit economically all of the warlords. When peace and stability is in their best interest, you can bet it is going to happen.

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    3. Re:undermined? by Mr.Intel · · Score: 2

      Have we really? Last time I checked neither bin Laden nor Mohommad Omar had been captured, nor seen, and few if any high-ranking officials in Al-Qaeda had been captured.

      Your quote of the article was accurate. We *have* undermined the network and overturned the government of Afghanistan. Are we done? You said it yourself, "it's not even close to resolved." So what's your point? Katz didn't say "we're done". But we are making and have made progress towards our stated goals. Futhermore, we have been told from the beginning that it would be a long hard war. Too bad we don't know who we are really fighting and it seems that the battleground is more on US soil digitally than anywhere else. I think that is what he was trying to say.

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    4. Re:undermined? by moankey · · Score: 1

      And how is this relevant considering that Russia which was part of the former Soviet Union is no more and we are still here?
      Apples and Oranges, and AFAIK the US has devastated all taliban there and have them cornered in the eastern most sector.

    5. Re:undermined? by jguevin · · Score: 1

      Well, first, we're not invading Afghanistan, and we're not a hostile occupying power; we are welcomed their by the current government. There are some reasons to compare the USSR's efforts and our own, but I think you're gravely oversimplifying.

      Also, the fact that the CIA backed and provided information and training for Mujahadeen doesn't make the Mujahadeen "ex-CIA operatives". It just makes them "former recipients of US military and intelligence aid that decided to kill US civilians and are now hiding in caves waiting for the bomb with their name on it."

      If your sig was really meant to indicate that you're being sarcastic, my apologies.

    6. Re:undermined? by Afrosheen · · Score: 2

      The point is, you can kill people all day, but ideas are what caused this, and ideas are much harder to kill than people are. There could be dozens, or hundreds of potential Taliban that nobody is aware of but the people in the region.

      The Russian info IS valid, regardless of who's still strong now. Democracy destroyed their country, it's a known fact, and we keep chugging along, but that doesn't negate the fact that Russia couldn't beat Afghanistan with our backing of bin Laden and his crews. You ever think hard about a 10 year war on a huge Russia/Afghanistan border? Pretty incredible.

    7. Re:undermined? by Afrosheen · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not sarcastic at all. Calling bin Laden an ex-cia operative is more a matter of semantics than anything. The CIA considered him and some others 'friendly partners'. Partner, operative, a rose is a rose. Check out this article for some details. More education here.

    8. Re:undermined? by JimPooley · · Score: 2

      It's OK. The Royal Marines are there now, and they'll sort it out. Americans are fine for lobbing missiles at people from as far away as possible, or bombing people with no air defences, but when it comes to the real work, American forces aren't up to the job...

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    9. Re:undermined? by opkool · · Score: 2

      In fact, the Soviet troops were welcomed by the (then) pro-comunist government that ejected the King and the former Government. This means nothing.

      Yes, they were a puppet government payed by Moscow's Politburo. But.. what about the current Government? I think it has been payed and put in power by the Western Powers... mmm...

      Anyway, I think that, even though the current government is a puppet government, they are far better for Afghanistan peace, stability and well-being than the Soviet one. (We manufacture better puppets?)

      And, yes, we do not intend to stay there. We already have naval bases in the Hindi Ocean. (This was the reason behind the Soviet's push to the south)

    10. Re:undermined? by pubjames · · Score: 2

      With the Taliban gone, this opens up free world trade to Afghanastan, which is sure to benifit economically all of the warlords. When peace and stability is in their best interest, you can bet it is going to happen.

      Jeeze. Some of you Americans need to get out more.

      How to combat terrorism. The American way!

      1) Remove baddies!
      2) Free trade!
      3) Peace and stability!
      4) No more terrorism!!!

      And to think those stupid Brits and Irish had so many years of problems when they could have done it the American way and, problem solved!

    11. Re:undermined? by joss · · Score: 2

      > we're not invading Afghanistan, and we're not a hostile occupying power; we are welcomed their by the current government.

      I'm sure the average Russian believed the same thing about the USSR during the Russian occupation. Of course, that was because they received all their news through state sponsored propoganda. What's your excuse ?

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    12. Re:undermined? by joss · · Score: 2

      > Hate to break it to ya, but we already did.

      The Russians conquerored the country quite quickly too. As did the British. The tricky thing is keeping it conquerored. Luckily, we don't really care what happens there so we can just let it revert to the pre-taliban state of endless civil war.

      >With the Taliban gone, this opens up free world trade to Afghanastan. When peace and stability is in their best interest, you can bet it is going to happen.

      Well, the heroin trade has certainly picked up, so I guess you're half right. However, peace and stability are seldom in the interests of "warlords" as you should be able figure out just from analysing the word.

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    13. Re:undermined? by wharrislv · · Score: 1

      This argument of "since the Soviets couldn't do it, we can't either" is just silly. The one determining factor in this situation is that, this time, the afghanis and their cohorts DO NOT have the US backing them with intelligence, weapons, etc. The situation that the Soviets were in was completely different to what we're in now. Oh, and do *I* think we can drop some ground troops and mission acomplished? Damn straight I do. It might take some time, but the only thing we've got to fight against is a bunch of lunatics with a death wish and broken down weaponry.

      -w

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    14. Re:undermined? by Tekgno · · Score: 1

      Nah. Our ozzie SAS can kick all your arses.

    15. Re:undermined? by Afrosheen · · Score: 2

      Their weaponry wasn't too broken down. They blew a few helicopters out of the sky, took a few men out. Unless we get a truly unbiased media source for news regarding the whole conflict we may never know. Don't expect CNN or press conferences to give you accurate numbers for casualties, enemy losses, etc. Vietnam was famous for inflated enemy kill numbers and diminished US casualties. Most of the time nobody really knew how many VC's they killed that day or how many of their squad got taken out.

      Inaccuracies aside, I might have come off somewhat cynical, but this is going to be a long, drawn out conflict that spans the globe. Afghanistan is only the beginning if our country is really dedicated.

  7. Hear this before by MJArrison · · Score: 1

    We've been hearing things like this since 9/11. "It'll turn things around...", "We're ready for a boom...". I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, all I see is a bunch of unemployed ex-dotcommers looking into other industries. I find it highly doubtful that there will be another hiring boom of the scale and unfettered nature as 1999's.

    1. Re:Hear this before by linzeal · · Score: 1

      most dot commers I knew were hardly techies. they usally were more apt to be "well-rounded" individuals who would often boast that technology would be just another one of their intellectual conquests. most of them bought many in-depth books on a slew of emerging technologies in their fields, and most of them never opened one of them. let them suffer they deserve it for going to work for an industry that they did not understand and will no longer tolerate the dead weight dot commer. good fucking riddance.

    2. Re:Hear this before by FortKnox · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I completely agree.

      Hearing this from an employed person just makes it worse.

      Hey Jon, try and look for a job, then come back and write how the jobs are about to "boom".

      I know my company (consulting firm) thought things would turn around by Q1, and there were layoffs in Q1. Sorry, but things aren't turning around like planned. The only people anticipating a hiring "boom" in the computer industry is investors and stock brokers that work in tech stocks. They *NEED* a boom, so they are trying to make one.

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    3. Re:Hear this before by reflective+recursion · · Score: 1

      Shhhhh!! Don't let the steam out of this "article" so quickly. We have to let JonKatz write about something. I mean, do we really need another dot-commer out of work?

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    4. Re:Hear this before by nomadic · · Score: 2

      At least all the arguments that we used to hear from /. posters about how "if you're good at what you do you never have to worry about a job" seem to have quieted down. Suddenly a bunch of very naive young coders have learned that the economy doesn't revolve around their l33t skills.

    5. Re:Hear this before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Computer Industry is not the economy. It's one segment of the economy.

      It isn't even that big a slice of the Tech Industry.

      Go peddle your HTTP pages somewhere else. We've got work to do here.

      Oh, and change that fucking toner cartridge in the LJ4 up on third floor, Mister 'Sysadmin.'

    6. Re:Hear this before by drix · · Score: 2

      Let's not forget that "unemployed dot-commers" aren't necessarily the segment of the industry that Katz was referring to. Very few of the former dot-com employees I know of are proficient in the hard sciences. Knowing MySQL/PHP/ASP isn't going to help win the war on terrorism, and those people will remain unemployed. On the other hard I thing we're already seeing a hiring upswing for computer scientists; I base this both on the anecdotal evidence my of Berkeley CS grad friends, who were all unemployed last year and seem to be finding jobs nowadays, and on whatever rumors seem to be circulating around.

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    7. Re:Hear this before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      go fix it yourself you pomopous piece of shit!

    8. Re:Hear this before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have work todo?

      Then what the hell are you doing wasting your time on slashdot?
      They are peddling web pages to you also.

      If you have time to waste on this site, then that wonderful cruise missile code you are creating cannot be all that critical.

  8. Backups by PinkStainlessTail · · Score: 2, Informative
    A boon for telecom and video conferencing companies and systems. Not only will many corporations choose to do business without sending executives on the road, but such systems are seen as increasingly vital communications backups in the event of widespread attacks on an existing communications infrastructure.

    Hopefully, this will also lead to the decentralization of business. There's a danger of increased "sprawl", but the dispersal of urban centers means less large critical targets, a good thing in my view.

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    1. Re:Backups by PinkStainlessTail · · Score: 1
      Let me expand on this a little (the brevity of my original post did make it a little flamebaity). In the days and weeks after 9/11, some businesses with a national or even global presence were paralyzed because their nerve centers in NY were destroyed. If those same nerve centers were duplicated in other cities or countries (or if one nerve center was distributed across several offices) business could have continued, during those days (certainly on a reduced scale). This would have had some impact on the economic and morale hits of 9/11 in my opinion.

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    2. Re:Backups by rleyton · · Score: 1

      It wasn't my intention to give you a -1 flamebait. Apologies. Konqueror and my mouse wheel got the better of me I'm afraid, and I inadvertently mod'd you down. Child +1'd because I came back to check how it was doing, and well, it is Interesting.

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    3. Re:Backups by PinkStainlessTail · · Score: 1

      Funny thing was, I could totally see how someone would consider it flame bait (in a "Walter Bell" kind of way). So no harm done.

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    4. Re:Backups by rleyton · · Score: 1

      ...except by posting to a thread I'd mod'd on, I blew away all the mod's. hoho. Definately no harm done now... ;-)

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  9. But tech failed us 9/11 by typical+geek · · Score: 3, Funny
    For despite all our high-tech echelon internet sniffers and high-res Keyhole satellites, we were blindsided by the low-tech Kamikaze attacks of Al Qaeda. A few people in the bazaars and suques of Afghanistan and Arabia would have been worth more than a fleet of recon satellites.

    But, geeks can still prosper in this age. the CIA has a huge problem finding people willing to infiltrate Islamic terrorist organizations, what Ivy League Foggy bottomer wants to leave his blonde sorority girl wife for years of living in a dirty, cold cave, eating putrid lamb, wiping his ass his with right hand and forgoing sex, I know I wouldn't.

    Fortunately, this website has a huge amount of geeky sorts who eat poorly, live in a dank, computer infested hovels and haven't gotten near pussy since they were expelled from one 20 years ago. Coupled with a decent facility for languages (just substitute Parsi or Arabic of PERL) and you can too can help the world's best country by being an incountry spy in a third world country like Pakistan, Egypt or France, please contact your local CIA recruiter.

    1. Re:But tech failed us 9/11 by Dead+Penis+Bird · · Score: 1

      I don't think tech failed us, we failed to use the tech properly. Only now, reactively are we implementing the types of airport scanning needed to stop weapons from coming aboard airplanes. But they still are, since the technology is not being used properly or even at all.

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    2. Re:But tech failed us 9/11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Comparing Pakistan and Egypt to France is pretty low. Those two countries are still considered our allies.

    3. Re:But tech failed us 9/11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can I get a +1 "No Shit" moderation for this post? :) This is so true. Americans wonder why the rest of the world thinks we're arrogant? Probably because of shit like this. If not for our arrogance (our security is the BEST nobody can EVER bomb us!) this never would have happened. I bet we're about the last first world country to implement real airport security and guess what? Terrorists KNOW these things. It's like running up to a fat pig and shoving an m80 in it's ass. The pig is too fat and slow to react and by the time it does, the fuse has already burned down and BOOM! America is that fat, slow, lazy pig that needs to drop a few pounds and trade that fat for awareness and responsibility.

      Oh and Katz is full of crap as usual. What the news isn't mentioning is that unemployment is at a 10 year high, and nothing is getting better. Don't believe CNN when it says 'oh yeah the economy is really getting a big boost'. You know better than that.

    4. Re:But tech failed us 9/11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      since they were expelled from one 20 years ago

      You could not be more wrong. I'm sure there are plenty of geeks out there who:

      a) have girlfriends/wives
      b) own cats
      or c) aren't 20.

    5. Re:But tech failed us 9/11 by Baldrson · · Score: 2
      Fortunately, this website has a huge amount of geeky sorts who eat poorly, live in a dank, computer infested hovels and haven't gotten near pussy since they were expelled from one 20 years ago.

      ... and after all those wars over there with men getting killed off, how long do you think it would be before those geeks would find themselves being offered a New Life with Islam where you not only get a wife, but you get one that will keep your household from falling apart while you solve the next major problem in cyberwarfare for... uh... which side was it we were all going to be on again?

    6. Re:But tech failed us 9/11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what is the /. ratio of shithead racist trolls like this one ? maybe we can estimate the US trash that SHOULD have been in the WTC...

    7. Re:But tech failed us 9/11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Lamb ain't that bad..
      2. 21yrs 6mo 10days 14h 6s to be exact
      3. it's your left hand idjit!
      4. and who needs to forgo sex... there's always akhmed (think hop-sing from bonanza)
      love ya-buh-bye

    8. Re:But tech failed us 9/11 by jea6 · · Score: 2

      You woulda gotten killed right then and there. Ass wiping occurs with the LEFT hand, also known as the dirty hand.

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    9. Re:But tech failed us 9/11 by mpe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't think tech failed us, we failed to use the tech properly. Only now, reactively are we implementing the types of airport scanning needed to stop weapons from coming aboard airplanes.

      How old a technology is radar (useful for tracking aircraft which go of course); ditto jet fighters (useful for chasing down off course aircraft, frightening kamikaze minded hijackers and if needs be shooting said aircrafts down as the lesser of two evils when the alternative is crashing into buildings with thousands of people inside); ditto telephones (useful for telling people what is going on, including giving instructions to evacuate buildings) and fire alarms (useful for getting people out of buildings quickly.)

    10. Re:But tech failed us 9/11 by jdavidb · · Score: 1

      PERL is not an acronym.

    11. Re:But tech failed us 9/11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, yes it is.

      Practical Extraction and something Language. Don't remember off hand...

    12. Re:But tech failed us 9/11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Practical Extraction and Reporting Language.

    13. Re:But tech failed us 9/11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is so true. Americans wonder why the rest of the world thinks we're arrogant? Probably because of shit like this. If not for our arrogance (our security is the BEST nobody can EVER bomb us!) this never would have happened.

      The perception of the rest of the world of the US as arrogance is prepared to bomb other countries, Laos, Cambodia, Lybia, Sudan, Afganistan, etc with the weakest of excuses. Also the US has been involved in setting up and supporting some of the most awful and tyranical governments in recent history. As further examples of this arrogance you have the US military invading a much weak country bombing civilians and carting people off to a concentration camp.

      Security, what security? There's no evidence of failed hijackings that morning, the hijacked planes flew to their targets unopposed. We don't even know who the hijackers were, some of the "evidence" is clearly planted, some of the supposed hijackers have turned up alive and the victims of identity theft. But it was a good enough excuse to spend huge amounts of money on bashing down a country already on it's knees from civil war, drought and earthquakes.

    14. Re:But tech failed us 9/11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's like running up to a fat pig and shoving an m80 in it's ass. The pig is too fat and slow to react and by the time it does, the fuse has already burned down and BOOM!

      I'd say it's more like walking up to a sleeping grizzly bear and smacking it with a lead pipe. If you are lucky, all he will do is rip your arm off and eat it. If you aren't lucky, he'll rip your head off, eat it, decide he likes the way people taste, come down off the mountain and laughter your family and friends.

      In other words, fucking with america is just another form of natural selection. You're just bitter because you're not at the top of the food chain...

    15. Re:But tech failed us 9/11 by Lord+Vipor+Scorpion · · Score: 1
      If you aren't lucky, he'll ... come down off the mountain and laughter your family and friends

      mwuhahahahahahaha
      mwuhaaahahahhahaaa
      mwuha mwuhahahahaha

      So you think being at the top of the food chain is so great?

    16. Re:But tech failed us 9/11 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Practical Extraction and Reporting Language

    17. Re:But tech failed us 9/11 by lokii202 · · Score: 1

      Kamikazi instructor to kamikazi class: "Watch closely, I'm only going to do this once."

  10. Technology, Security Threats and War by Dead+Penis+Bird · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Unfortunately, war has often sparked the economy, not just in technology, but across the board. The 1930's were the Depression era, but as soon as oue war effort got into swing, the economy improved.

    Because of the type of threat, technology will be the big "winner" of the business, from detection devices, to warplanes.

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    1. Re:Technology, Security Threats and War by Dead+Penis+Bird · · Score: 1

      Yes, the increased need for security leads to such paranoia. It's a sad offshoot that these types of laws limiting freedom might be passed.

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  11. I tend to disagree on one point.. by cOdEgUru · · Score: 5, Insightful


    The fact that we have undermined a terrorist network and overturned a repressive government in weeks, with only a handful of American casualties...


    We tend to believe that our actions have had long lasting effect on this troubled region, but my take on it is quite different. US tends to wage its war and then pack its bags and go home leaving a war ravaged country and its warlords to fight the rest of the war between themselves and their common enemies.

    We might benefit overall from these effects, but the moment the US Soldiers leave, every warlord in Afghanistan is gonna be on everyone else's throats. Afghanistan had some notable politicians but Taliban made a point by wiping them all out.

    We cant wage a two month war and then leave all of a sudden telling ourselves that our work here is done and now this nation would pull itself together towards a road to peace. This country is far from being over from the civil war.

    1. Re:I tend to disagree on one point.. by Afrosheen · · Score: 5, Informative

      Do a little google searching and you'll find that in Reagan's time, he also declared an 'international war on terrorism'. That basically consisted of bombing Libya for awhile, packing the bags and going home. Same shit, different decade.

    2. Re:I tend to disagree on one point.. by Lord+Ender · · Score: 1

      The problem wiht your statement is that everyone already realizes those types of mistakes were made in the past. We, for the most part, just wanted to deal with the middle east as little as possible. But now, I think everyone is determined to correct past mistakes. It was bad for a politician to muck about in the middle east then, but now, Americans want someone who will do what needs to be done and make sure it is done right. It is a logical error to conclude that since something happend one way in the past, it will happen the same way in the future. I think this one is going to be done right.

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    3. Re:I tend to disagree on one point.. by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      US tends to wage its war and then pack its bags and go home leaving a war ravaged country and its warlords to fight the rest of the war between themselves and their common enemies.

      Post-WWII Japan says hi.

      Why do you think they are far and away the most capitalistic of the Eastern countries?

    4. Re:I tend to disagree on one point.. by americanFatCat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If this is a war in which the American populous believes that it is fighting for its survival, as it did in world war 2, then the end result will not be sa anticlimactic as Reagan's bombing, but rather more akin to the marshall plan of world war 2 and the rebuilding of Japan

      As to referring to the Middle East as a "troubled region," let's not forget that most of that trouble didn't start until the balfour agreement, circa 1940. This is not some ancient bloodfeud; it is barely half a century old, relatively recent in historical terms, and something we can possibly correct.

    5. Re:I tend to disagree on one point.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the moment the US Soldiers leave, every warlord in Afghanistan is gonna be on everyone else's throats. They're already at each other's throats and we haven't even left yet.

    6. Re:I tend to disagree on one point.. by bkocik · · Score: 1
      We tend to believe that our actions have had long lasting effect on this troubled region, but my take on it is quite different. US tends to wage its war and then pack its bags and go home leaving a war ravaged country and its warlords to fight the rest of the war between themselves and their common enemies.

      I won't disagree that this has been done before.

      We might benefit overall from these effects, but the moment the US Soldiers leave, every warlord in Afghanistan is gonna be on everyone else's throats.

      Maybe not. The moment the US soldiers leave won't be for quite a while. The current plan is to leave US military trainers in place long enough to build and train an Afghan national army, which is expected to take at least a year. This army will be under the control of the Afghan interim government, and then later, the interim government's replacement. The idea is to ensure that the gov't of Afghanistan is stable enough to rebuild the country without it falling back into disarray the moment we're gone, and that it has sufficient resources to exert it's authority while doing so.

      We cant wage a two month war and then leave all of a sudden telling ourselves that our work here is done...

      Well, we've been there for nearly six months already, and we're not leaving soon, as I've said above. Whether or not they'll carry through on their plan completely remains to be seen, but I think their pledge to do so demonstrates that they understand that abrupt withdrawal would be a Bad Thing(tm) for Afghanistan, the US, and many other countries who have interest in a stable Afghanistan.

    7. Re:I tend to disagree on one point.. by americanFatCat · · Score: 1

      sorry, let me clarify one point. The Balfour Declaration, which promised a homeland for Jewish people in Arab Palestine, was made in 1917, significant Jewish immigration became an issue in the 1940s and 50s.

    8. Re:I tend to disagree on one point.. by hoorj · · Score: 1

      It is a logical error to conclude that since something happend one way in the past, it will happen the same way in the future. I think this one is going to be done right.

      Except that it already is happening. The Bush administration just rejected a request from the state department for 25,000 peacekeeping troops in Afghanistan. There are now only 4500 peacekeeping troops, pretty much all in Kabul, and none of them American. Meanwhile the American troops that are in the area are supposedly still hunting terrorists. However, there is evidence that on mulitple occasions they have been mislead by friendly warlords into attacking personal enemies whom they label as Al-Qaeda forces. Karzai's government is already shaky and the Americans haven't even left yet.

    9. Re:I tend to disagree on one point.. by feepness · · Score: 1

      It is truly unbelievable you would refer to this as a recent conflict! Did you take ANY world history? Remember the crusades? Saladin? Moorish occupation of Spain? For Bin Laden and much of the Arabic world this is still the same conflict with the United States taking on the mantle of the European crusaders.

      People have been dying in the Mideast for CENTURIES.

    10. Re:I tend to disagree on one point.. by bill_guts · · Score: 1
      The US will be in Afghanistan for a long time to come. I believe this because of a few reasons:

      there's un-tapped oil in the Caspian Basin that could be routed through the country.

      it's strategic: the US needs a base of operations in central Asia. China, Iran and Pakistan are all there and few *stans to the north that were formerly part of U.S.S.R.

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    11. Re:I tend to disagree on one point.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "No country benefits from a protracted war."
      - Sun Tzu

    12. Re:I tend to disagree on one point.. by curunir · · Score: 4, Informative

      You can rest assured that the US won't leave Afganistan until it is absolutely positive that the country won't fall back into turmoil.

      See, Unocal has been planning an oil pipeline through Afganistan for some time now. One of the breadbasket republics (I think Turkmenistan) has huge, unexploited oil supplies that Mr. Bush feels are in dire jeopardy of not being exploited to their fullest. The problem with an oil pipeline is that it makes a wonderful terrorist target since it is so hard to guard.

      So...there's really no danger of the U.S. abandoning Afganistan the way they have so many other countries so long as there is a financial interest in keeping the country stable.

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    13. Re:I tend to disagree on one point.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit. "Oceania is at war with Eastasia. Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia..."

    14. Re:I tend to disagree on one point.. by mpe · · Score: 2

      We tend to believe that our actions have had long lasting effect on this troubled region, but my take on it is quite different. US tends to wage its war and then pack its bags and go home leaving a war ravaged country and its warlords to fight the rest of the war between themselves and their common enemies

      At least with respect to a conventional war. When it came to covertly supporting mostly these exact same warlords against the Soviet Union there was plenty of "staying power", ditto with the mess the US made of Nicaragua.
      Difference is when the US fights a covert war CNN arn't there keeping count of the number of dead Americans...
      It's not as if the war is fully over, but apparently the US would prefer supposed allies such as the UK and Canada to do the hard work. A bit like with Kosova...

    15. Re:I tend to disagree on one point.. by 0xbaadf00d · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Funny/Scary how the terrorists gave the US a reason to invade Afganistan at such an opportune time isn't it?

    16. Re:I tend to disagree on one point.. by 0xbaadf00d · · Score: 1

      "War is Peace... Ignorance is Strength... Freedom is Slavery..."

    17. Re:I tend to disagree on one point.. by jafac · · Score: 2

      That's so much bullshit. The amount of oil we're talking about isn't worth a fraction of the cost of the bombs dropped. You're listening to crap Arab propaganda trying to make people believe that the ONLY reason the US ever gets involved militarily anywhere is for oil. I heard the same bullshit story about Iraq, I heard the same bullshit story about Kosovo, I heard the same bullshit story about Somalia, and a different version of the story about Chechnya with the Russians. It's all bullshit.
      The Gulf War resulted in a huge drop in the flow of oil from the region. Kosovo and Chechnya have no amount of oil worth talking about, and Somalia has still not been properly surveyed, but the limited searches that have been done have yeilded not one fucking drop.

      Yes, it would be a nice convenient world where we could blame all the problems of the world on the big evil selfish oil-hungry SUV driving USA now, wouldn't it?

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    18. Re:I tend to disagree on one point.. by donutello · · Score: 2

      We cant wage a two month war and then leave all of a sudden telling ourselves that our work here is done and now this nation would pull itself together towards a road to peace. This country is far from being over from the civil war.

      I totally agree with you on this. In fact, I believe we should do to Afghanistan what the Alies did to Germany and Japan after WWII. Now, instead of war-ravaged countries that hate us, they are two of the strongest economies in the world and also two of the strongest allies of the West.

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    19. Re:I tend to disagree on one point.. by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 2
      Post-WWII Japan says hi.

      The only reason we stayed in Japan is that Truman needed a place to stash McArthur becuase he was too popular to bring back to the States. If it weren't for this until we began to sse the Commies as a threat and seen Japan as a good defense point, it would have been "Sayonara, Baby!"

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    20. Re:I tend to disagree on one point.. by electroniceric · · Score: 2

      In general, I can't help but agree that we're materially better off staying and pumping in some money than leaving a country choking on the dust of troop transport planes.

      There's a big catch with Germany and Japan, though. They were already pretty well industrialized by the time WW2 ended. Afghanistan is much farther back - in this case they'd have to create an infrastructure, not just rebuild and modernize it.

    21. Re:I tend to disagree on one point.. by tjb · · Score: 1

      The Bush administration explained its position wrt peacekeepers.

      Essentially, it believes that American peacekeepers would destabilize the situation and become targets. As long as Rangers and marines are running around on the ground and B-52s are bombing enemy positions, US peacekeepers would cause a great deal of resentment and be unable to deal with the situation in the neutral manner required by peacekeepers.

      Remember, peacekeepers are supposed to be like a militarized police force, not an army.

      Tim

    22. Re:I tend to disagree on one point.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I heard the same bullshit story about Iraq, I heard the same bullshit story about Kosovo, I heard the same bullshit story about Somalia, and a different version of the story about Chechnya with the Russians.

      How many times do you have to hear something before you finally start to believe it????

    23. Re:I tend to disagree on one point.. by tftp · · Score: 3, Insightful
      The amount of oil we're talking about isn't worth a fraction of the cost of the bombs dropped.

      It is worth noting that US taxpayers pay for the bombs, but someone else is going to benefit from the oil pipeline.

      In other words, I am willing to spend $100 of your money if it puts $1 into my pocket.

    24. Re:I tend to disagree on one point.. by GMontag · · Score: 2

      Going to try the same theory for Germany and the rest of Western Europe or do you have something else up your sleve?

      While you are at it, kick in some domestic political conspiracy theory for our contued presence in South Korea, bases and support in the Phillipnes long after WWII.

      When complete, please come up with something for the Medeteranian.

      Thanks!

    25. Re:I tend to disagree on one point.. by curunir · · Score: 2

      The amount of oil we're talking about isn't worth a fraction of the cost of the bombs dropped

      Don't be too sure about that. Quoting from this article (you wouldn't have seen it previously since it is published outside of the AOL/TW propaganda network):

      (from page 6)
      "Turkmenistan, which borders the northwest of Afghanistan, holds the world's third largest gas reserves and an estimated six billion barrels of oil reserves. Enough, experts say, to meet American energy needs for the next 30 years..."

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  12. I don't know if this is just me by yatest5 · · Score: 1

    The fact that we have undermined a terrorist network and overturned a repressive government in weeks, with only a handful of American casualties, has transformed the way even Americans think of technology.

    I think this is called 'having aeroplanes whilst the other side have camels' - not really much to do about high technology - the Wright brothers would have kicked their ass.

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    1. Re:I don't know if this is just me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, actually it did take some technology.

      A few Zsu-23 AAA guns would have wasted any number of Wright flyers, or even WW I or WW II ground attack planes. And they had bunches of Zsu-23's.

    2. Re:I don't know if this is just me by ScuzzMonkey · · Score: 1

      And your explanation for the failure of the Soviets there would be...?

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    3. Re:I don't know if this is just me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Soviets were fighting insurgents backed by the CIA/USA with major technical support.

      The US fought against an isolated, xenophobic band of terrorists who had to repress their own people to maintain power.

      A lot of the hype about the 'Invincible Afghans' fell apart quickly. Also, a good number of the 'Invincible Afghans' came over to our side.

  13. Until employers start hiring by CrazyJim0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I got nothing to do but, sleep, play video games and work with some computer vision algorithms.

    www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~sager/ai

    Freaking would be nice to have a job. Being tied down by $50,000 in tuition debt is borderline retarded.

    1. Re:Until employers start hiring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am with you brother 2:1 from Oxford and still no job....

      When the revolution comes I will remember whose side I am on...

    2. Re:Until employers start hiring by tonyt · · Score: 1

      if you're having trouble getting a job, make sure you didn't accidentally use the words freaking and retarded in your resume.

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      -=tonyt=-
  14. The best example of REAL tech boom - SGI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    SGI stock, post 9/11 Enuff said.

    1. Re:The best example of REAL tech boom - SGI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The stock went up because SGI announced sales gains in December, but those sales were probably in the pipeline before 9/11. Selling stuff like that to the government requires going through approval processes, and it takes more than two or three months. Besides, according to this announcement, many of the sales were not even domestic, so they shouldn't have anything to do with 9/11.

      Also, they may have announced a "profit," but they're still laying people off.

      BTW, that chart makes SGI's stock's performance look great, but keep in mind, huge percentage gains don't mean much after it's been trading at 50 cents.

  15. Great if you've got security clearance... by InterruptDescriptorT · · Score: 3, Flamebait

    And it's hard to get one of those without being a US citizen, let alone a permanent resident.

    A lot of my fellow coworkers are H1-B holders and are thus shut out from government jobs due to a lack of security clearance or the unwillingness to hire anything but US citizens. The funny thing, however, is that there are fewer and fewer US college graduates with CS and engineering degrees, the very disciplines that will continue to serve the post-9/11 security needs. US high-school students don't want CS or Engineering degrees--they're geeky and 'hard'. Instead, they graduate with Communications or Marketing degrees and end up fighting for the same job at IHOP. Meanwhile, the tech jobs needed to build the systems that shore up federal and state security go unfilled.

    When will the government grant security clearance to foreigners so we can get much-needed talent on these critically important homeland security tasks?

    --
    Karma: Excellent Birds (mostly as a result of listening to Laurie Anderson)
    1. Re:Great if you've got security clearance... by stoolpigeon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're wrong.

      I work w/college kids at my church. The vast majority of them are getting good, solid degrees in engineering, CS, math etc.

      It is idiotic to give security clearance to foreigners. They should not have access to these jobs and the 'need' to give more visas to people from outside the US is one created by companies in search of cheap labor.

      Anyone who wants to work on homeland security should do so - in their homeland.

      I'm not against immigration, and if someone becomes a citizen and resident- more power to them. But otherwise- hands off the sensitive info.

      .

      --
      It's hard to believe that's how Micronians are made. Why don't we see it right now by having you both kiss one another?
    2. Re:Great if you've got security clearance... by MrWinkey · · Score: 1

      I agree with this totaly. I know few CS and engineering degrees lately and more and more who want the managment marketing and buisness degrees. If there is a problem it is that once we get bit things tend to go far. Then we will get bit agian and things will swing the other way untill we get bit. I only hope that we dont get another vietnam in the middle east.

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    3. Re:Great if you've got security clearance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have any leads for these tech jobs, please let me know. I am a citizen with a CS degree looking for a job, but can't find any.

    4. Re:Great if you've got security clearance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Instead, they graduate with Communications or Marketing degrees and end up fighting for the same job at IHOP. Meanwhile, the tech jobs needed to build the systems that shore up federal and state security go unfilled.

      Yes, and the tech grads are fighting over the jobs at Circuit City or Best Buy

    5. Re:Great if you've got security clearance... by nemoest · · Score: 0

      I don't think the problem is that there are not enough CS graduates. I recently saw a chart that showed the number of graduates nationwide with cs degrees has continued to increase, and I also know that most of my classmates in my graduating class are US citizens.

      The problem is what I was told by a Northrop-Grumman recruiter. You have to wait at least a year for security clearance. During this time you are put in a "holding pen" and you basically do nothing. He even told me they have a fellow working for them that has been waiting over 2 years for his clearnace to come through (although they found some non-classified work for him to do). It's always taken a long time for security clearance, and now because of increased security it will take even longer. Because of this the supply cannot meet current demands.

    6. Re:Great if you've got security clearance... by xiitone · · Score: 1

      "And it's hard to get one of those without being a US citizen, let alone a permanent resident.
      A lot of my fellow coworkers are H1-B holders and are thus shut out from government jobs due to a lack of security clearance or the unwillingness to hire anything but US citizens."

      Well, if the person is a foreign national, they can still get a NAC(National Agency Check) to work with sensitive information. For classified information, I think it's appropriate that only US citizens should be dealing with it. (Note that naturalized citizens can get clearances.)

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      Elegance is for tailors. -A. Einstein
    7. Re:Great if you've got security clearance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice try mohammed, but were not all as stoopid as you think. And we don't need some camel jock
      to handfeed us his ego.

    8. Re:Great if you've got security clearance... by jguevin · · Score: 1

      I agree wholeheartedly. I can't decide whether it's laughable or disturbing that someone would suggest that what we need right now (of all times!) is more foreign nationals involved in the inner workings of our security infrastructure! Citizenship is more than a right to vote: it's also a statement that "you're one of ours", and while many feel that the US should be a sort of perpetual job fair for the rest of the world, I think that, at least for now, US citizenship should only be the first filter you have to pass through to be put in positions of high trust.

    9. Re:Great if you've got security clearance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hah, I've got to laugh. This comes from a person who lives in a country where they can't even keep track of people in their own country!

    10. Re:Great if you've got security clearance... by Baldrson · · Score: 2
      granting H1B workers security clearanes is simply too risky to be worth the marginal payoff it may provide.

      -- and, anyway, there are plenty of guys with green cards.

    11. Re:Great if you've got security clearance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Terribly sorry to be contrary, but foreign nationals should literally never be working with any type of sensitive government information or operation. The risk is too. I am sure you are a nice person and all, but there is simply too much risk. Proper background checking is simply impossible for most foreign born workers. Also, there is no shortage of US college grads with CS and engineering degrees. Its simply untrue. I've never found any data to suggest that there is a critical or even real shortage of technical workers. I won't debate the value of the H1B program with you now and here, but in short granting H1B workers security clearanes is simply too risky to be worth the marginal payoff it may provide. Then one would think that allowing US companies to hire foreign nationals without interference from the government would free up more US-born high tech people to do the security work. H1B certainly has a lot of problems, but most who oppose it are simply protectionists who are afraid of foreign competition. The federal government should not interfere with US companies hiring foreigners. As we have already seen, technology allows US companies to simply set up shop in foreign countries and avoid the issue of bringing foreigners into the country. On a side note, I don't think many US engineers have anything to fear from foreign competition.

    12. Re:Great if you've got security clearance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>> When will the government grant security clearance to foreigners so we can get
      >>>much-needed talent on these critically important homeland security tasks?

      About the only foreigners that I can conceive of getting any kind of access granted by the USA to its sensitive, never mind classified, information might be those from Canada, the UK, Australia and New Zealand, and then only with the sponsorship of their host governments. NSA and the other secure agencies are still reeling from Ronald Pelton, a citizen of the USA who gave classified information to the Israelis. Read "The Puzzle Palace" and you may get a clearer understanding of the issues involved and the resulting mindset. The Walkers didn't help any, either, and I hope all 4 of them - the Walkers and Pelton - rot in prison.

      However, I do think we Yanks owe a big tip of the hat to our Northern neighbors, who have been patrolling the North American skies and helping protect all of us. THANK YOU! We love you, but please don't help us by sending your weather south :-)

    13. Re:Great if you've got security clearance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I for one have to disagree with you on this. I believe that foreigners have no place in sensetive arms of the US government. I suppose case in point would be the Wen Ho Lee fiasco. Wether he was guilty or not (I beleive he was) I think everyone involved would be better off if foreign nationals weren't in such positions.

    14. Re:Great if you've got security clearance... by betis70 · · Score: 1

      Your UPC code is coming shortly. Hold on the line while we look up the nearest tatoo parlour ...

      --
      I forget...are we at war with Eurasia or East Asia?
    15. Re:Great if you've got security clearance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When will the government grant security clearance to foreigners so we can get much-needed talent on these critically important homeland security tasks? the same day that Osama bin Laden and Yasir Arafat sit down to have dinner in the White House with GWB

    16. Re:Great if you've got security clearance... by danielobvt · · Score: 1

      Never. As a matter of fact we are sqeezing down ever more than before. The US Navy, and DOD soon thereafter, will not even allow non-citizens to work on non-sensitive but mission critical systems, which will futher sqeeze people with conflicted loyalties away from our important systems. It's very simple, I do not trust a non-citizen to place as much effort into the defense of my country as I and other citizens will. If bad things happen to the US, I am pretty much going down with the ship, as I cannot see myself living anywhere else. (and unlike many, I have relatives and friends elsewhere, and have traveled extensively)

    17. Re:Great if you've got security clearance... by mpe · · Score: 2

      Terribly sorry to be contrary, but foreign nationals should literally never be working with any type of sensitive government information or operation.

      That would explain rumours about Isralii owned companies being involved in operating telephone interceptions in the US exactly how?

    18. Re:Great if you've got security clearance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A lot of my fellow coworkers are H1-B holders and are thus shut out from government jobs due to a lack of security clearance or the unwillingness to hire anything but US citizens.

      If there is a shortage of skilled workers for positions that require a security clearance, then why haven't I found a full-time job?

      http://www.ccm.ece.vt.edu/~lscharf/resume-lscharf- spring2002-general.html

      If there's anyone out there who needs an developer and/or experienced sysadmin with a security clearance, please e-mail me!

    19. Re:Great if you've got security clearance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even though I myself am not a citizen, I would agree with stoolpigeon regarding his comments about security clearance.

      Its a sensitive issue and a government of every country has the right to decide upon what is good for their citizen.

      But, instead of actually saying 'NO clearance for anybody'...I think rules/laws should be modified to impose stricter (more rigorous) background checks so that everybody comes out as a winner.

      Humbly yours...

    20. Re:Great if you've got security clearance... by lburdet · · Score: 1

      ~amen to that! I dunno about how it is in the great Silicon Valley, but here in Silicon Valley North [ottawa], no one's hiring. Worse thing is, a lot of are willing to re-locate, we just dont wanna end up eating chips in front of our TVs when we graduate. Or worse, become web-designers ;)

    21. Re:Great if you've got security clearance... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When will the government grant security clearance to foreigners so we can get much-needed talent on these critically important homeland security tasks?

      In a word, never.

      Terribly sorry to be contrary, but foreign nationals should literally never be working with any type of sensitive government information or operation.

      Like Enrico Fermi, or Edward Teller, or... but you probably don't know about the history of atomic weapons development in the US. The Maude Committee. Tube Alloys.

      President Bush recently said there were 36 countries actively involved in the war against terrorism. Your blanket statement would make co-operation between the US and its trusted allies impossible. You'd have to shut down the Echelon system. Savagely gut the US's ability to monitor ballistic missile launches in real-time.

      Does the word "NOFORN" mean anything to you? It's no secret (pardon the expression) that apart from the usual Confidential-Secret-TopSecret etc classifications, there are other "caveats" that exist, which restrict access to certain national groups. "NOFORN" means "No Foreigners". Have a look at this as a (fictional) example. Note that different paragraphs are classified to different levels.

      Oh BTW, quite a few American lives have depended on software I've written over the last 20 years. Software currently on board US warships. I'm not a US Citizen, never lived in the US. But I've worked on US-classified projects . There's quite a few people in the UK, Australia, Canada, New Zealand etc that can say the same. Let's see, classified/sensitive equipment in service with the US that's originated by these Durned Furriners... the (UK) AV-8B Harrier, the (Australian) Nulka missile decoy... to name but two.

      It may come as a surprise to you, but despite the US's many faults, she still has quite a lot of friends. Rather more than enemies. Some of us prefer to remain anonymous. But don't let your xenophobia or isolationism get out of hand, we're all in this together. And since some of us were very often the original authors of this "sensitive government information" we get a trifle miffed at your comments.

    22. Re:Great if you've got security clearance... by Indomitus · · Score: 1

      There are _a lot_ of projects that need security clearance but have nothing to do with 'homeland security' or nukes, or anything of the sort. There's a lot of science going on at the national labs that involves people from other countries because they are highly regarded in their field. Not all the smart people in the world are Americans and saying a scientist from the US can't work with an English or German scientist is ridiculous. (Arabs are not the only 'foreigners', a fact that most people seem to forget in their zeal to get Them out of the country.) Saying you don't want non-US citizens to work on nuclear weapons and defense systems is one thing but those are not the only reasons to get a security clearance.

  16. America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will America start fighting itself then?

    Yes the evenings of 11/9 were horrible and shouldn't have happened but there are influencers behind that event. Shortly after the attack a poll was commisioned which asked a simple question: "Do you think American Foreign Policy had any influence on the attacks?". Not a single American replied yes, the rest of the world was approximately 50% yes.

    Did you know that America is the only country in the world that has been, under international law, found guilty of State Terrorism?

    I think the boom was coming anyway, the attacks, to some extent have just helped people swallow some of the square edges and push for the recovery to be accelerrated.

    1. Re:America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you know that America is the only country in the world that has been, under international law, found guilty of State Terrorism?

      Actually it gets rather worst. A UN security council resolution condeming state sponsored terrorism was vetoed, want to guess by who... A similar motion to the general assembly had only two votes against, the same country as vetoed in the security council and Israel.

  17. Dear Katz. by JPriest · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Why are you always trying to justify the internet and tech-sector in general? I don't need your drawn out analizations of the obvious.

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    Saying Java is nice because it works on all OS's is like saying that anal sex is nice because it works on all genders.
  18. Re:Well Duh (veering off-topic) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I haven't programmed since VB 4.0, but I've looked a little bit at Java, and it seems similar to C.

    Honest question -> Are you lumping VB & Java together? From my ignorant perspective, I can see how you would categorize VB as an idiot language, but I wouldn't include Java in that category.

    Steve

  19. Let Me Help by 4of12 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    but the war in Afghanistan has -- correctly or not -- enhanced the idea that technologies are our only feasible response to the profoundly changed geopolitical reality that Osama Bin-Laden created last fall.

    not, I should say.

    Sure there's things that can be done with technology to help improve security in "The Post 911 World", but there's no substitute for really good, on the ground, human intelligence.

    The U.S. is notorious for relying on tech toys, eyes in the sky, etc. while neglecting to send actual people to find out what is really going on in the world.

    --
    "Provided by the management for your protection."
    1. Re:Let Me Help by Binky+The+Oracle · · Score: 1

      Agreed, but isn't this largely due to the Vietnam backlash and media focus? It's now much safer politically to spend billions on a satellite program that most people never hear or think about rather than "risk the life of one American soldier." The fact that we've had some very successful military actions in the last 20 years, largely due to an overwhelming technical advantage, only makes new tech that much more attractive to the pols.

      For all the post-9/11 punditing and talking heads agreeing that we need actual agents in the region, I think many people don't realize how far off that might be. Not only do we have to have a shift in departmental philosophy, changes to a series of executive orders, and the willingness of the public to accept that we might be doing some "unclean" things, we're also going to have to recruit, train, and insert agents into foreign societies that we don't completely understand.

      And Bob Smith from Peoria isn't going to fit in all that well.

      I think the severity of 9/11 will go a long way toward making the U.S. public accept some previously unpalatable actions. Not just in the more rapid erosion of our own civil liberties, but in what we'll tolerate from our intelligence agencies.

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      Slashdot comments... splitting hairs since 1997.

    2. Re:Let Me Help by mpe · · Score: 2

      It's now much safer politically to spend billions on a satellite program that most people never hear or think about rather than "risk the life of one American soldier." The fact that we've had some very successful military actions in the last 20 years, largely due to an overwhelming technical advantage, only makes new tech that much more attractive to the pols.

      It's difficult to call either Iraq, Kosova or Afganistan "tech advantages". They were out and out military advantages. A large, well equipted and well supplied military going after one much smaller and not as well supplied and equipted.

    3. Re:Let Me Help by Binky+The+Oracle · · Score: 1

      Well... yeah... but aren't we kind of splitting hairs here? Our overwhelming military advantages are largely comprised of superior technology - intelligence gained from those nice satellites, GPS units carried by the grunts, cruise missles, even the technology used in the simulations we use to train our forces and command staff.

      My point was that after Vietnam, it became a lot easier politically to spend money on technology and gadgets than to commit actual soldiers to a campaign. In a similar fashion it's much easier politically and financially for the CIA to launch a satellite that most Americans neither know nor care about, than it is to use live assets in Kerblechistan. There aren't any embarrasing spy scandals or grisly execution videos.

      I think, however, that the CIA (and other intelligence agencies in other countries for that matter) know (and have known for a long time) that the information they get from satellites only goes so far. It's difficult to convince a politician who's trying to get reelected, or a senator that wants the money for some pork project back home, that we might have to get our hands a little bit dirty and spend some money to prevent some really nasty things from happening.

      I think 9/11 opened a lot of peoples' eyes on the limitations of relying too much on technology and that will ultimately result in a change of direction from the politicians.

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      Slashdot comments... splitting hairs since 1997.

    4. Re:Let Me Help by mpe · · Score: 2

      Our overwhelming military advantages are largely comprised of superior technology - intelligence gained from those nice satellites, GPS units carried by the grunts, cruise missles, even the technology used in the simulations we use to train our forces and command staff.This dosn't change the fact that the US had more weapons and soldiers. As well as having production and supply outside the war zone.

      I think, however, that the CIA (and other intelligence agencies in other countries for that matter) know (and have known for a long time) that the information they get from satellites only goes so far. It's difficult to convince a politician who's trying to get reelected, or a senator that wants the money for some pork project back home, that we might have to get our hands a little bit dirty and spend some money to prevent some really nasty things from happening.

      Immediatly afterwards there was quite a bit of fuss about the need for more high tech toys. Also are you so sure that giving the CIA more "dirty money" is such a good idea? Considering these are the people who trained Osama Bin Laden in the first place. Basic problem with the CIA is that in addition to gathering imtelligence they also appear to have been operating as a covert military force.

  20. Hard facts please by harmonics · · Score: 1

    Is anyone else concerned with the lack of hard facts in any of these "tech boom" articles? They sound like futile attempts to spur growth using the argument "If you read it in the paper, it's got to be true!" .

    So, let's see it, where are the growth numbers that point to a new "tech boom"?

    H

    1. Re:Hard facts please by Profane+Motherfucker · · Score: 0, Informative

      Exaclty. You know why there's not one fucking rat dropping of fact here: because none exists. The data are not even fully fucking gathered and processed, and Katz is already claiming that we're on the cusp of a new fucking epoch. The DOL website would be *the* source, but none of these hack and slash journalists have the gumption to figure that out.

  21. Really Bugs Me by inc0gnito · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not really sure why, but when everybody reffers to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 simply as 9/11 or even worse 911, it really bugs me. It seems like it has become just another buzzword in a culture that thrives on sound bites to keep them informed. Is this just me? Am I the only one who thinks that it trivializes what happened when we treat as just another element of pop culture?

    1. Re:Really Bugs Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      G Gordon Liddy, WTNT AM 570. You make me proud, good ole white boy.

    2. Re:Really Bugs Me by swein515 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Doesn't bother me:

      Pearl Harbor
      The Holocaust
      Tienemen Square

      Those are all shorthands for tragic events. I don't think any are trivialized.

    3. Re:Really Bugs Me by Jeppe+Salvesen · · Score: 1

      Trivialization is how we deal with the incomprehensible. That or painting black and white. That's 'or', not 'xor'.

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      Stop the brainwash

    4. Re:Really Bugs Me by Psmylie · · Score: 2

      "911"("nine-one-one") bothered me, because that's not even a date. It's almost like some reporters started saying that in order to tie it with the police emergency phone number. "9/11" ("nine-eleven")did not, because it is actually a date.
      I understand what you mean though. It almost seems like people were searching for a quick name that could be easily marketed.

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    5. Re:Really Bugs Me by denzo · · Score: 2
      It's called a synonym. For most people, this is the best way to refer to the events that are synonymous with "9/11". I'm all for this, since most news articles related to the economy have been redudantly referring to "the terrorist attacks against the World Trade Center" or some such, often reminding us that airplanes were used to demolish the buildings, etc., which is a bit insulting to the readership's intelligence. We don't need to be reminded what happened on 9/11. Just saying "since 9/11", or "because of 9/11" has sufficient meaning in itself.

      This is not trivializing the events. We often use shorthand versions of every event to easily communicate it and sum it up in one or two words. If I say the following, you will know exactly what I mean, and you shouldn't believe that I'm trivializing these events: Gulf War, Holocaust, Columbine, Pearl Harbor, Hiroshima/Nagasaki, Dresden, Y2K, T(H)GSB, etc.

      Or do we need to say: The War where we liberated Kuwait against Saddam Hussein, the events in which millions of Nazis were killed in gas chambers and kept in concentration camps, the school shooting in Colorado where two students killed a dozen other students, the surprise attack by the Japanese which killed 3000+ Americans, the two Japanese cities that the US dropped atomic bombs which led to the treaty that ended World War II, the massive conventional bombing in Germany that killed hundreds of thousands of civilians, the Year 2000 (or its associated "bug"), The (Hopefully) Great Slashdot Blackout which protests the behavior of Slashdot editors against posters and moderators, etc.

      Which versions do you prefer?

    6. Re:Really Bugs Me by caesar-auf-nihil · · Score: 2

      "9/11" is merely a modern version of:
      "Remember the Alamo"
      "Remember the Maine"
      "Buy War Bonds"
      "Loose Lips Sink Ships"
      "Defeat the Hun"
      "The Crusade in Europe"
      "The Evil Empire"

      Each major even which has spurred the US to War has had some slogan or phrase attached to it which reminds us why we're fighting. Given how modern society is big into abbreviations, I don't view the moniker "9/11" or "911" as a trivialization, merely our society's personal mnemomic reminding us what happened on September 11th, 2001, and why we're doing the things we're doing, or at least why our government is doing what its doing. Its not a reflection of pop culture, but it is a reflection of current US culture.

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    7. Re:Really Bugs Me by nesfield · · Score: 1

      Referring to the attack on the WTC as "the events of September 11th" bothers me. I mean, it's not as if it's any quicker than calling it "the attack on the WTC", but it seems to be a euphemism which attempts to avoid mentioning what actually happened, as if people are scared of calling a spade a spade. I don't really know why "September 11th" is less in-your-face, but it is.

      That, and the fact that even the British newsreaders seem intent on calling the event "September 11th" in spite of the fact that the correct UK English term is "the 11th of September". Blow the cobwebs off those old grammar books, BBC!

    8. Re:Really Bugs Me by Leperflesh · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it bugs me too. 911 is the phone number you call in an emergency. That's been drilled into my skull for 27 years out here in California. It's completely bizarre that every time someone starts talking about 911, it's not referring to the woeful state of our emergency-telephone system.

      -Lep

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    9. Re:Really Bugs Me by inc0gnito · · Score: 1

      That's not really the same though. A more appropriate analogy wouly be reffering to what happened in Pearl Habor as 12/7 or what happened in Tiananmen Sqaure as 6/4. Would you still react the same way to those shorthands? Would you even make the connection between those dates and the events that took place in 1941 and 1989 respectively? I wouldn't.

    10. Re:Really Bugs Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      since most news articles related to the economy have been redudantly referring to "the terrorist attacks against the World Trade Center" or some such

      ISTR that most articles refer to "the events of September" or some other wishy-washy Divine Passive voice phrase. That offends me.

    11. Re:Really Bugs Me by Le+Marteau · · Score: 1

      What really bugs me is how people refer to Osama Bin Laden as "Osama". Of course, that's better than the New York Times' style of "Mr. bin Laden" but I digress.

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      Mod down people who tell people how to mod in their sigs
    12. Re:Really Bugs Me by bartyboy · · Score: 2

      Despite being mosty offtopic, the parent post does make an excellent point.

      Does anyone refer to the start of World War II as 9/1? Or to Independence Day as 7/4? New Year's Day as 01/01?

      Please come up with a proper name for this date if you need it that badly.

    13. Re:Really Bugs Me by torqer · · Score: 1
      It is NOT called synonym. It is called a euphemism. You even go on to describe 9/11 exactly as a euphemism. You do NOT what to "be reminded what happened on 9/11." Euphemisms by definition take the edge/controversy off of a statement.

      Euphemism
      synonym

      If you are still confused here is an example of a euphemism. I haven't spoken to Bob since my father died. Euphemism: I haven't spoken to Bob since my father's passing.

  22. Other businesses aided: by Wind_Walker · · Score: 5, Funny
    There have been tons of other businesses that have been helped by 9/11... just a few I can think of off the top of my head...
    • American flag manufacturers
    • Bumper stickers with "These Colors Don't Run" on it
    • American flag decal producers
    • Record companies who make "Tribute Albums"
    • Those damn flag-on-plastic-so-you-can-fly-one-out-your-car-wi ndow things
    Just a few that I've become annoyed with... er, taken notice of.
    1. Re:Other businesses aided: by Profane+Motherfucker · · Score: 0, Informative

      American flag manufacturers

      Funny you should mention this. There was a story on NPR shorty after 9/11 talking about the fucking proliferation in flag display. Stores the US over were sold out.

      So they turn to China. Apparently, China makes about 9.25 shitload of US flags and ships them over here. The Chinese even quit production of their OWN flag to make US flags, because there's higher margin on US flags.

      Pretty fucking patriotic, eh?

      The irony is that the US refined capitalism, but the Chinese proved to be better at it when it comes to making flags.

    2. Re:Other businesses aided: by 3nd3r · · Score: 0

      You forgot: 1.) Porn Purveyors

    3. Re:Other businesses aided: by loraksus · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      In numerical terms, what exactly is 9.25 shitload? :)

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    4. Re:Other businesses aided: by equalize · · Score: 1

      You forgot Osama Bin Laden urinal cakes.

    5. Re:Other businesses aided: by Profane+Motherfucker · · Score: 0

      Funny you be so fucking inquisitive. A shitload is really just .125 fuckloads. There are 8 shitloads in each fuckload. If I say I have fuckloads of shitloads, it gets a little confusing. What that means is I have 8^(number of shitloads).

      But all this is such a fucking mess, that nobody cares. Just use what ever the fuck you want. I'm partial to "a ton of those motherfuckers" for example.

    6. Re:Other businesses aided: by DickPhallus · · Score: 1

      At least link to The Onion Article you got your reference from...

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  23. The Post 9/11 JonKatz Boom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Day by day, it's becoming clear that one region's tragedy -- the 9/11 terroist attacks -- is another man's opportunity. Despite much hype to the contrary, JonKatz creativity is quite alive and well, as is our increasingly JonKatz-driven, Linux-biased website. As Slashdot trolls and otherwise valid posters have recently pointed out, JonKatz has weeded out a lot of junk and spawned some real innovation. Keep those JonKatz flames up to date. Slashdot analysts have been buzzing for months now about the new JonKatz about to be unleased as trolls, bigots, and heretics turn to JonKatz to fight terrorism, improve nerdiness, shore up our intellect, and protect Slashdot from a wide-ranging series of horrors from "real news" to bio-germisim. The masterbation is going digital.

  24. maybe a little thin kninned by studoug · · Score: 1

    but, how did this go from being one ( countries, nations, worlds )tragedy to one "regions" tragedy.

    That strikes me as stupid and callous.

    Kind of like the other days CNN/Money article about the Empire State building being sold and the headline mentioning that it was NY's tallest building.

    Factually correct, but could we not say it a little kinder.

    Call me a whiner, just seems a little .......... something.

    Stu

  25. Secure my boxen! by PhatPhreddy · · Score: 0

    Continuing increases in sales across the tech spectrum as individuals, businesses and governments make sure their hardware and software systems can deal with the challenges and problems of a post 9/11 world. Yep, gotta make sure that my boxes can withstand the searing heat of a building on fire...that way my britney spears pr0n collection will be safe!

    1. Re:Secure my boxen! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean my spears pr0n collection is in jeopardy?!?! You have my attention... What are we going to do?

    2. Re:Secure my boxen! by PhatPhreddy · · Score: 0

      They are in danger my friend! Watch out for islamic militants, liberals, right-wing fundementalists, your neighbor's dog and JonKatz! We must kill them all!

  26. I disagree by David+Kennedy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I disagree.
    I work a large telecommunications company which
    has been crushed by the past year. The dotcom
    implosion was predicted and it's a very different
    world for a technologist post-that. I don't see
    9-11 having an impact on my job or the IT market
    as a whole. In fact, the increased international tension
    has further damaged economies already shaky from the dotcom bust.

    There is no new boom. There can't be and there
    won't be. There will be a very slow and steady
    growth; the assets which need to shift first to
    revive the industry are telecommunications based.
    They're expensive. $10s of millions expensive.
    Committing to such projects takes time. Consumers
    cannot drive the demand for new net services,
    not in the same way the can for other commodity
    goods. There must be framework. It's like wanting
    new trains. You simply don't get startup railroads,
    who can afford the track?

    What many IT folks miss is that much of the
    industry we're in is invisible. Consumers don't
    know what I do, or why my job is needed. All they
    know is that the internet is still slow, TV is
    still TV and that most of those new fangled
    interactive services are too expensive and trivial
    to bother with. IT cannot sustain growth with the
    consumer need, and, with my consumer hat on,
    I'm not prepared to pay through the nose for
    broadband, don't like interactive TV and haven't
    got a PDA/laptop etc. Without this low level demand
    and we're in a minor global depression remember,
    there will be no significant IT recovery for a
    few years. No months, years. 5-10. No boom,
    just steady industrial scale growth, like everyone
    else.

  27. The Tech Boom that wasn't by e5z8652 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Any tech boom that comes along in the US will come to a screeching halt if Senators Hollings and Stevens can get the CBDTPA passed, and anything that includes a "digital interactive device" becomes both unuseable and prohibitively expensive (someone will have to pay the R&D costs - and it will be you). The entire tech industry will move overseas.

    But hey! CBDTPA will create it's own tech booms in Europe and places like India so it's not all bad. (Don't know about Mexico & Canada - they're too close to our Senators from Disney.)

    Yeah, I know - off topic.

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  28. Markov chains? by Lord+Omlette · · Score: 2

    Any idea where the input came from?

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  29. Dear JPriest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why are you always reading Jon Katz? He doesn't need your one-line criticisms.

    I don't get why people who obviously don't like his content and style read every article he writes just to bitch about him.

  30. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  31. stock investment by ZaneMcAuley · · Score: 1

    Currently it seems like investing in law firms was a good way to make money instead of tech firms :D (after all, they do seem to sue each other a bit tooo often recently :D)

    So, obvious areas are security products. Are there any tracking funds for this area? If not, im sure they will be created.

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  32. Dear Katz by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you EVEN tried looking at the job market?

    The market is flooded with H1Bs offering to work at $15 a hour. This is LESS than warehouse wages. As pathetic as it is, MOST of my friends have taken signaficant pay cuts, and they DO not work in IT field.

    Katz, again, you prove to me that you live in a cloud, not the real world.

  33. Conspiracy! by BasilBibi · · Score: 1

    Bang on the money. Sounds like another CIA ploy went according to plan...

  34. Woohoo! by TheRealFixer · · Score: 1

    Another JonKatz Post-something article! Just what I needed in the morning!

    Someday we really should have a Post-JonKatz Slashdot perspective.

    1. Re:Woohoo! by psamuels · · Score: 2
      Another JonKatz Post-something article! Just what I needed in the morning!

      What I think Slashdot needs is a pre- writer. JonKatz can write about post-this or post-that, and someone else could post [no pun intended] equivalent drivel about living in a pre-something world. Just think of the paradigm shifts we haven't gone through yet...

      • pre-World-War-III world
      • pre-quantum-computing world
      • pre-universal-broadband world
      • pre-post-Castro world
      • pre-new-tech-boom world
      • pre-AI-singularity world
      • pre-Segway world
      • pre-space-colonisation world
      • pre-IPv6 world
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    2. Re:Woohoo! by psamuels · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah, I forgot. The above isn't quite right: too many hyphens, too grammatically correct. JonKatz seems to prefer spaces in this post-liberal-arts-education world. So please s/-//g.

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  35. Video conferencing.. Grr.. by Noobie · · Score: 0
    A boon for telecom and video conferencing companies and systems. Not only will many corporations choose to do business without sending executives on the road, but such systems are seen as increasingly vital communications backups in the event of widespread attacks on an existing communications infrastructure. By the same token, it would make sense that in stressful times people will spend more time shopping, talking, amusing themselves and doing business on the Net, as they did in the days after 9/11.

    And thanks to this I now tend to get only 250 bits per second (out of my broadband)..

  36. Sounds like evolution? by crevette · · Score: 1

    Doesn't it sound like evolution where the changes occurs in a relatively short period of time followed by a long period with relatively no changes?

    We got the bubble that ballooned and eventualy died. It's use was to 'weed out' the junk as said and now we are back in the period where the remaining ones (cie, individuals, orgs.) start again to fill the gaps. Could that be an economic model I am not aware of?

  37. Until I can find a job... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Until I can find a job - or even get an interview - THERE IS NO TECH BOOM !

  38. Biotech as well by nucal · · Score: 1

    There have also been directives to fund bioterrorism defense grants as a direct result of 9/11 and the anthrax attack.

  39. technology is not the answer by Cally · · Score: 5, Offtopic
    I'm breaking a self-imposed rule by answering on a katz story. But... do you /really/ think more computers and software will help protect you from more low-tech terrorism? If so, you're even more stupid than you seem.

    Sorry for the language, but it's what I (any most European anti-terrorist experts, which is to say, those who have some experience and understanding of what they're dealing with) think.


    The only way you'll stop it happening again -- IMHO -- is to stop funding Israel and get the fsck out of the economies and political systems of supposedly "independent" states that don't want you there (the people, that is, not the rulers), and to stop backing dictatorships like Saudi Arabia just because they're "on your side". In Ireland they used to say: "You cannot have a military solution to a political problem." Guess what? They were right.


    *sigh* now I'm going to get flamed to fuck. Well hopefully someone might be prompted to think... I just hope you don't wait until you're up to your waist with dead Americans and "collateral damage" (I know, they're barely human but they still count... )

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    1. Re:technology is not the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "You can't have a military solution to a political problem", eh? That is just bull bleep. The political machinery of Germany and Japan set off WW II, not their armed forces on their own initialtive. That was a political problem. And you know what? It was bloody well solved militarily, by pounding them into the ground using overwhelming military might.

    2. Re:technology is not the answer by Xerithane · · Score: 2

      Amen, you got it dead right. People like to think that you can get a couple missiles and a shitload of guns to handle any political problem.

      The irony of an Irish quote being used in regards to terrorism is amusing, since the IRA started it.

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    3. Re:technology is not the answer by Medievalist · · Score: 1

      The Irish started it? Jeez, you need to read up on your history and archeology. Ever heard of Ashurnasipal, Sargon the Great, Ghengis Khan, or for that matter the American Revolution? Remember Ethan Allen and the Green Mountain Boys? How about Sherman's "march to the sea" in the US Civil War?
      Terrorism is as old as humanity, and trying to eradicate it by force is like trying to eradicate pedophilia by censoring the Internet. Futile.
      --Charlie

    4. Re:technology is not the answer by Xerithane · · Score: 2

      Sorry, I suppose I should have been a lot more specific.

      The IRA war is known as the start of modern terrorism. Figured most people would know that association, but then I suppose I forget most people don't know what Sinn Féin is.

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    5. Re:technology is not the answer by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >In Ireland they used to say: "You cannot have a >military solution to a political problem." Guess >what? They were right.

      So when do you stand up and say that you actually have a millitary problem? At what point do you say you're not going to tolerate having democratic allies murdered or threatened by dictatorships with zero respect for human rights and actually do somthing about it?

      Israeli destruction of an Iraqi reactor is the only reason that Saddam didn't have nukes during the gulf war and terrorists don't now have access to nuclear material. If you're really worried about terrorism, that should be important to you.

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    6. Re:technology is not the answer by mpe · · Score: 2

      The only way you'll stop it happening again -- IMHO -- is to stop funding Israel and get the fsck out of the economies and political systems of supposedly "independent" states that don't want you there (the people, that is, not the rulers), and to stop backing dictatorships like Saudi Arabia just because they're "on your side".

      "On your side" for the moment, remember Osama Bin Laden was considered "friendly" by the US when he was targeting the Soviet Union.
      Backing dictators is just another part of interfering with other country's "economic" and "political" systems. More than once the US has attacked a democratic government to install a dictator.
      The most common thread is so US corporations can maximise their profit.
      Personally I would say that a viable solution would also involve the US withdrawing from the occuipied nation state of Hawaii, bombing Iraq for attempting much the same kind of thing with Kuwait looks rather hypocritcial.

    7. Re:technology is not the answer by Cally · · Score: 2

      "You can't have a military solution to a political problem", eh? That is just bull bleep. The political machinery of Germany and Japan set off WW II, not their armed forces on their own initialtive. That was a political problem. And you know what? It was bloody well solved militarily, by pounding them into the ground using overwhelming military might.


      That, my friend, is because they represented a MILITARY PROBLEM.

      DURRRR...
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    8. Re:technology is not the answer by clink · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We didn't throw you (Brits) to the wolves in 42 and we're not going to do it to Israel either. They are a democracy surrounded by despotic regimes that won't accept anything other than Israel's destruction. Just like you were surrounded by the Nazis and then again in the Cold War.

      If the cost of guaranteeing the security of our allies is terrorism on American soil then so be it. I just pray that we have the guts to pay them back in spades. I'm GLAD that backward, despotic evil regimes and their 'citizens' hate us for our support of Israel. It means we're on the right side. I'd be worried if they had a favorable opinion of us.

      We've sacrificed friends in the past like South Vietnam. We've also come to their aid as we did in WWII. I prefer the latter.

      I swear... Europe seems to have lost all sense of morality. More and more I get the sense that Europeans just want Israel to go away and pretend it never existed so they can get back to doing business with the likes of Saddam. What is wrong with you people?

      I used to feel like we could always count on the Brits, Canada, Australia and New Zealand no matter what. You guys had our backs and we had yours. Not anymore. You know, the chips really were down last year and you guys flinched. Tony Blair did a great job but the hysterical accusations from the Labour MPs and the media about our conduct of the war hurt. I'm all for reasoned debate and dissent but you guys made us out to be worse than the Taliban and AlQueda. You know that if the positions were reversed we would have backed you without one tenth the amount of that venom.

  40. The internet is too trusting by asobala · · Score: 1

    Something people seem to have decided after 11/9 ;-) is that it's important to keep communication - aka the internet - going if a country has a national disaster.

    The thing is, when the internet was _designed_ it was designed to be small, closed and trusting, more or less the opposite of what it is now. So the underlying protocols trust everyone.

    We have learned a lot. If the internet was designed today, we wouldn't make the same mistakes. An example is that the protocols (or routers) should not allow DoS attacks using packets with fake headers. They do because DoS was not considered when the protocols were first implemented, and now we can't change them.

    All packets should be tunnelled. E-mails are the worst - the headers (From: in particular) are completely unreliable, thus "signing" using an assymetric key. But people often don't sign their emails :-) making it really easy to forge them.

    So. Let's roll out The Internet ][ ;P

    1. Re:The internet is too trusting by mpe · · Score: 2

      Something people seem to have decided after 11/9 ;-) is that it's important to keep communication - aka the internet - going if a country has a national disaster.

      The Internet didn't appear especially vulnerable. Apart from a few specific websites being overloaded. A far more vunerable communication system that day was broadcast radio and television. When did Manhatten get all it's TV stations back?

      We have learned a lot. If the internet was designed today, we wouldn't make the same mistakes. An example is that the protocols (or routers) should not allow DoS attacks using packets with fake headers. They do because DoS was not considered when the protocols were first implemented, and now we can't change them.

      Which dosn't do much against a more primative attack. Something like a few truck bombs against telephone switching centres or power lines.
      Terrorist attacks are far more likely to be low tech than high tech.

  41. Good to hear... by L-Wave · · Score: 1

    Wow, FINALLY we get to hear some good news about the tech market. When everyday you hear of more and more techies losing jobs, techs not being able to FIND jobs, kinda makes you lose hope in your profession. Its refreshing to hear people finally predicting a turnaround in the tech market. anyways, thats my little rant/2cent/whatever.

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  42. resumes? how about business plans by Skapare · · Score: 2
    Keep those resumes up to date.

    Excuse me? How about "Get those business plans up to date."? Why wait the few months it's going to take before the hiring actually starts. Why not get a jump and start your own business? You know how much you hate the boss? Well, hate yourself and be your own boss. Now you can tell yourself to go home at 5 PM, and even respond back to the boss with a "No!" The really great part is if the company does go under, you'll be the last to be fired. Or maybe someone will come buy out your business.

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  43. The hype pendulum has swung back. by FXSTD · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ah yes, first internet/tech got hyped beyond belief making the hype reality and the hype pendulum swung to the stratosphere fed by media. Then ppl started to realize it was hype and so it crashed fast, the media forcasting a self fulfilling prophecy of business/economy doom and gloom. The gloom hype became reality. With a little 9/11 nudge we have another swing coming, the hype is starting to swing again - the new buzzword - SECURITY. 9/11 was not the author of the new hype, merely a catalyst. Kinda like pouring gas on fire.

    Will SECURITY hype become reality? Should it? Or will it be just hype and a false sense of security.

    It should be a fun ride.

    1. Re:The hype pendulum has swung back. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did someone say police-state, or is that just me?

  44. Katz! please listen! by Emugamer · · Score: 2

    You are pigeon-holeing yourself into what effect an event has on *... and then you change the event after the next big event happens and start all over again. PLEASE STOP! Really, people 40 years into the future with brilliant analytical minds, degrees in philosophy psychology and divinity will come together and give us an answer. I really think you are biting off more then you can chew with this kind of stuff. I appreciate your effort but I really think that this kind of stuff is way to complex to be scratched with a measly 1000 word essay. Please try to stick to something easier like affect of the Slashdot user base on incoming techies (read new readers) with its very interesting and eccentric viewpoints. Something that you would have a much better understanding of and would be more of an authority of! Hell some people might stop filtering your stories.

  45. Earth to Mr. Owens by GMontag · · Score: 3, Informative

    A huge increase in "homeland security" spending not only by governments, but among biotech firms as the country expects and prepares for attacks potentially more lethal than those on New York and Washington.

    Ahem... If you are referring to the anthrax attacks, then yes, New York and Washington belong in the sentance, especially when speaking of biotech. However, the anthrax attacks were not all that lethal, with just a handful of casualties. Besides, you left out Florida, another forgotten land in the attack discussions.

    If, however, you are referring to the incredibly lethal aircraft attacks, those occurred in New York, NY and ARLINGTON VIRGINIA!!! Yes, folks, the Pentagon is in Arlington Virginia.

    The DC 2600 meetings are in Arlington, VA also (right across the highway from the Pentagon), but we do that just to trick "the man" ;-)

    1. Re:Earth to Mr. Owens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Guy" you are a tool. Hang out with people your own age.

  46. That explains it... by Stenpas · · Score: 2
    When I first read the title of this article, all I thought was "What the hell? There was no tech boom after 9/11."

    Then I looked down a bit to where it says "Posted by", then I thought to myself, "Ahh. That explains it. It's a Katz article."

    Sad thing is, I'm one of his biggest fans, and even I can't help but think that he's a bit silly at times.

    1. Re:That explains it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      haha I did exactly the same thing

  47. Did you do *ANY* investigations? by FortKnox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Tech boom?

    First thing I'd do to investigate this "tech boom" is look inward. Yeah, the company that you are employed by.
    If they anticipate a tech boom, then why bring in the "giant ads" or this??

    Can I get links next time? Cause I know you are just quoting stock brokers (that trade tech stocks). They need you to start buying tech again....

    Rob Owens, a tech industry analyst at Pacific Crest Securities
    Owens and other analysts point to these factors

    Yeah, these analysts need your income. They can come up with stats till there blue in the face, but tech companies aren't employing. You will need employees for a boom, right? Well, as soon as I see these tech companies hiring like wildfire, I'll still be worried if I have a job tomorrow...

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    1. Re:Did you do *ANY* investigations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. The one news source is Newsweek? Wow. To be honest, the crash in Silicon Valley may have seen its worst, but it is far from 'recovered'. Business spending is way down and hiring is way down and the only thing I can really cite as innovation is basically just another boom. Wait for the fallout in the security sector as it gets flooded and the value of products drops tremendously. Oh, or is wireless one of the new innovations? Thats another bubble waiting to burst. Maybe Katz needs some firsthand experience with the current job market. It seems all he does now is read really mediocre journalism and go watch movies. Go Katz, the official Slashdot movie reviewer.. woo.

  48. We didn't start the Fire, we tired to fight it.... by DickPhallus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Continuing increases in sales across the tech spectrum as individuals, businesses and governments make sure their hardware and software systems can deal with the challenges and problems of a post 9/11 world.

    Well of course there is going to be a boom, because we'll all need new hardware once the CBDTPA becomes law, hence fueling the "Post 9-11" tech boom.

    Because in the post 9/11 world, we're all potential terrorists and thieves, and the gov't has to protect it's corporate cash cows.

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  49. I agree with your disagreement by CoffeeNowDammit · · Score: 1
    There is no new boom. There can't be and there
    won't be.

    The preceding poster's comments have been, far and away, the most insightful on this thread so far.

    Case in point: My adopted home of Raleigh, North Carolina. Not to bitch and moan (having done that already in previous posts), but this area depends on telecom and Big Pharma for its high-tech positions. The former hardly exists at this point, with Cisco, Nortel, Ericsson, and their customers refusing to burn any cash whatsoever.

    And if there is a "boom", you won't notice it here, except as a slowly, steadily lowering unemployment rate. The big dogs will NOT recover immediately, and the smaller dogs will do their best to stay on the porch until then.

    Oh well. My current job will run out in late June, I think. Note to perusing potential employers & providers of cheap labor: If you have Raleigh, who needs Bangalore? (Hint, hint.)

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    1. Re:I agree with your disagreement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's so true. I'm a dot-com refugee laid off in
      Oct because my position was "no longer needed."

      Which, as we know, is total bullshit about the next boom because I still have a lot of tech friends unemployed. Newsweek is so full of shit.

  50. Active Industry by qurob · · Score: 1


    Right now:

    Encryption
    Security
    Data Recovery
    Backup/Disaster Recovery
    Colocation

  51. several industries are booming now. by AugstWest · · Score: 2

    Biometrics is booming, disaster-recovery services are booming, and even the people that hate the incursion of things like biometrics and face rec technology are drawing more attention to the companies that make it.

  52. A quintessentially American solution to security by nazgul000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There is always a remarkable trickle-down effect within private enterprise that occurs when massive, targeted government spending pours forth. And it's no surprise that, given the trauma of 9/11, the government is bringing its massive resources to bear to develop technological solutions to many domestic security issues (many of which are structurally almost insoluble, by the application of technology or otherwise). Interestingly, the Dep't of Defense is even resorting to open-ended solicitation of "new ideas relevant to homeland defense and security" from technology companies with which it has dealings.

    All you have to do is glance at the tailfins on a 60s Cadillac to understand the unshakeable faith Americans have had in new technology over the past century. Technological progress as panacea is still a fundamental, if often unspoken, tenet of our shared culture.

    However, when it comes to "homeland security", the search for technological solutions (e.g. systems to put air passengers and air cargo under x-ray and gas-cromatographic microscope) largely misses the point. Massive essentially indefensible borders, enormous reliance on a vulnerable modern communications infrastructure, the lack of internal security paranoia characteristic of a wealthy, free democratic society... these characteristics militate against easy high-tech band-aid solutions to "homeland defense."

    So what's the solution? We can protect the United States from attack by consistent and forceful _projection_ of power, by eradicating from the earth those who bring violence inside our domestic boundaries, those who threaten to do so and those who aid and support such people. By doing so we relentlessly disincentivise those who might consider attacking us. Structurally, the United States will always be vulnerable to attack within its borders. A massive and massively expensive build-out of new security technology will not alter this fundamental truth.

    Deployment of massive amounts of high-tech infrastructure that will do little more than inconvenience honest US citizens will not secure our nation. Judicious application of our Rooseveltian "big stick" will.

  53. No consequences on new battlefield by MrWinkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The problem is on the digital battlefield there is no rules or consequences. Our network was taken down last week due to an DoS attack. All of the packets were spoofed, it's very hard to find out who took our internet connection out. Countries and people have no fear of what will happen when they take down a website. Untill this happens expect the "digital war" to esclate. For all our power and might we got taken down by 6 guys with plastic knives.

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  54. You find what you're looking for. by realgone · · Score: 5, Interesting
    ...the idea that technologies are our only feasible response to the profoundly changed geopolitical reality that Osama Bin-Laden created last fall.

    On the other hand, last fall's events could also suggest a shift *away* from technology is our only feasible response. It all depends what particular trends you want to find in a given situation.

    For example, my apartment is within a stone's throw of the old WTC site. On the morning of the attack, almost *everything* went offline; it was next to impossible to get a cell or landline out, transportation was shut down, broadcast antennas were gone, etc. (Heck, you couldn't even see more than a few blocks because of all the dust and smoke.)

    As a result, many of us were reintroduced to the actual communities in which we live, as opposed to the virtual ones we'd created for ourselves. No longer able to rely upon the technology to which we'd grown so acustomed, we were forced to go out and interact with one another in more traditional ways. I spent a good part of that morning up on my roof, meeting neighbors I'd had no reason to talk to before, watching events unfold. Word of mouth was pretty much the only way to learn what was happening.

    And now, more than half a year later, I'm finding that some -- not all, but some -- people are a lot less willing to put their entire faith in technology anymore. Not the way they used to. The friend who used to run her entire life via Palm has now gone back to the old-fashioned day planner. Old pals who once relied upon email as an easy way of keeping in touch have begun returning to phone calls and mailed letters again. The local community -- we're talking on a block-by-block level here -- has begun to reassert itself.

    Am I suggesting this is a national trend? Or even noteworthy? Of course not. It's a local and probably fleeting phenomenon. The point is, you can take a series of events and make them mean almost anything you want. Katz wants to see it as a technological boom waiting to happen? Well, bully for him. Doesn't make it so, any more than what I just wrote suggests things are heading for a technological bust.

  55. Other Products Racing Ahead by Captain+Large+Face · · Score: 1

    It isn't just technology-based products which are pushing the boundries, as this toiletry product exhibits.

  56. Re:Speaking of Big Brother #@ +1 ; Controversial @ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dick Cheney is probably one of the most dangerous people alive today. a) He is corrupt. b) He is arrogant, as was obvious during a recent press conference where he discussed the Afghan war. c) He has no morals or ethics. d) He's (this is fairly obvious) the puppetmaster behind Bush. e) So far to the right, he will sacrifice a huge amount of good to achieve the goals of his corporate masters, including damaging the environment, refusing to testify in the Enron matter and most importantly, refusing to allow an investigation into the events of Sept 11. As an intelligent thinker who cares for America and the world, this poster urges you all to ensure this man is 'got rid of'. Don't say you were not warned. He is very very dangerous.

  57. Tech boom by rlp · · Score: 2

    Tech boom - right! That must be why I got laid-off last week, along with about 500 other folks in my company.

    --
    [Insert pithy quote here]
  58. what would the USA be without people like you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, good thing we have people like you to worry about the important things. Things that really matter.

  59. HP-Compaq by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good news for all the people about to be laid off from the recent HP-Compaq merger.

  60. Lots of openings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, I hear there are lots of new openings now.

  61. Who's paying? by st0rmshad0w · · Score: 2

    Seriously. Who's footing the bill for all this?

    At what point will basic economics conquer this latest "boom". Everything inevitably will have to bolster the bottom line, otherwise costs are going to be passed on to the customer, or paycuts to the staff. My guess will be both, and all this new spending will, in the long run, just further injure the economy.

    Oh, yeah, and exactly where is the proof that we've gotten rid of Osama and company anyway?

  62. Over done by MountainLogic · · Score: 1

    Let's put all of this in perspective. 9/11 was a tragic event, but lets not turn Dr. Strangelove loose. There have always been threats, both here and abroad, but rampant spending and uncheck paranoia do not serve us.

    To put this in hard perspective the 3K+ lives lost is equal to 3 days smoking deaths in the US. I don't see the US calling out the National Guard to protect our children from the tobacco companies. Sure, all of us who fly have always know that airport security was a joke and still is. There are two important points to remember about airport security. The first is that given a few weeks most /. readers could engineer away around any security scheme that the flying public is willing to accept. Second, the 9/11 attackers did not use awesome technology. They used every day items. The real reason for their success was social engineering. They understood that flight crews, and by extension the public, were trained to be passive to takeovers. It took only a few minutes for the passengers on the forth jet to grock the picture and try to take the plane back. While it is clearly a good idea to keeps knives out of the hands of drunk passengers in the throws of air-rage, what is really to be gained by keeping nail clippers out of the cabin? The prevention of ingrown tow nail?

    We can spread our selves too thin. There are places where we strong security. Nuclear plants and other sources of high toxicity, any site that has a high potential energy such as petroleum storage or hydro dams etc. On the other hand, Having every deputy sheriff staying up late reading Tom Clancy Novels and adding Tempest grade shielding to their accounting computer is just keeping them from doing their job (as an aside, try asking for your local security plans, you local yokels are likely to say the only security is through obscurity. Does that sound like self delusion or what?). We have far fewer critical systems then these system's managers might suppose. Terrorist are able to do far more damage going after "minor" targets than hardened ones. How much did hitting the Pentagon really effect the functioning of the US military? Far less than one might have supposed before 9/11. On the other hand imagine where our economy might have be today if half a dozen car bombs had gone off outside of shopping mall during the X-mass rush (say at a cost to the terrorist of $300/ junker * 6 + buss fair + $50 radio shack parts).

    We currently have an administration that before 9/11 tended to paranoid secrecy, just look at how it formulated it's properly public energy policy in secret. Now we have this hybrid Dr. Strangelove/Joseph McCarthy loose. We have a public running scared due to lack of leadership and seem happy to forfeit their right and freedoms to a nebulous notion of safety. We are going to have the mother of all pork-barrel projects, Starwars/Missile Defense pushed through as if a terrorist is going to both to develop a launch vehicle when FedEx will deliver a tactical nuc overnight when is "absolutely, positively has to be there over night." Heck, with FedEx can even track the location of your Nuc on the web. Even if Starwars could work why would a terrorist or small nation use missile technology to deliver an attack against the US when conventional shipping services are so much more reliable than any ballistic missile? Sure, you shipping container may get hung-up in customs, but blowing up a port or two will also do significant damage to a county.

    It's time to put our fear aside and take a sober look at security what is really needed and what is being done in the name of security for agendas that have nothing to do with our welfare.

  63. Where do I apply? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So us Ivy League geeks without blonde sorority wives would be a perfect fit with the CIA, eh? Maybe I should go sign up.

    I'm blonde myself though. Think they'd notice my hair roots after holding me in prison for a month?

    As for pussy, I wouldn't know. After getting scratched fiercely as a kid by two of my neighbor's cats, I never want to see any pussies ever again. That's why I never click on those email links I'm constantly getting inviting me to look at some. 'No cats' is good.

    What's that CIA recruiter's number again?

    --Ivy League geek

  64. I don't see it by sulli · · Score: 2
    The tech business here in the Bay Area is still in the serious doldrums. See-through buildings, recently forgotten, are back - some are prime locations like the brand-new Excite@Home building in Redwood City. SF, where I live, is not as badly hurt because the economy is more diverse - but all those whiners of a couple of years ago who complained about the "dot-com invasion" are hitting the road because they can't find tech jobs.

    So I don't see much of a boom yet, except for fancy Apple toys like the new iMac and iPod. The fundamentals have to get better - IT spending needs to recover from big cyclical budget cuts, and there does need to be a new Next Big Thing that people will actually pay for.

    Of course if CBDTPA passes (which I think is unlikely, but send those faxes) you can kiss the industry goodbye.

    --

    sulli
    RTFJ.
    1. Re:I don't see it by raindr · · Score: 1

      I don't see hear in Detroit either. Some business is booming but the IT service industry is definitely slower than pre september.

      --
      Things Are The Way They Are
  65. The Post-Katz era. by FallLine · · Score: 5, Funny

    Upon realizing the Jon Katz drivel is almost deterministic and could be pieced together with the most simplistic of algorithms, scientists devised a way to code Katz's job out with a 50 line perl script.

    1. Re:The Post-Katz era. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      scientists devised a way to code Katz's job out with a 50 line perl script.
      JonKatz doesn't deserve that many lines of Perl code... just make it as obfuscated as his tirades and that should bring the line count down to around 3-4.
    2. Re:The Post-Katz era. by FallLine · · Score: 2

      Heh the logic may well be just 3-4 lines, but the excess verbiage that he adds to his typical 1/2 line of content would be at least 30 ;)

    3. Re:The Post-Katz era. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  66. No tech boom by molog · · Score: 2

    Sorry Katz. I just don't see any new jobs opening up, or any new businesses offering new opportunities. In fact if you listien to quarterly reports, most of the established businesses arn't doing that well either. Consumers don't have that much money and they arn't going to spend it as they are afraid that they are going to lose their jobs too.

    As an asside note, I lost my job as a software engineer for Iomega back in July. I couldn't find anything at all so like a moron I joined the Army like an idiot but at least my student loans will be paid off and I have won't have to worry about being laid off.

    --
    So Linus, what are we going to do tonight?
    The same thing we do every night Tux. Try to take over the world!
    1. Re:No tech boom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Iomega?

      *snort*

  67. Is Silicon Valley the only place where tech lives? by mtrupe · · Score: 1

    There are techies all over, not just Silicon Valley... Things for techies seem very down here in the Chicago area. I have been out of work for over a month now, and I know people who have been out of work for over 6 months. With so many people looking for jobs recruiters are requiring more and more specific skills.

    MUST HAVE 3+ YEARS .NET EXPERIENCE
    MUST HAVE 10+ YEARS JAVA DEVELOPMENT EXPERIENCE

    Do this people even know what they are talking about??? Well, just my chance to vent.

  68. Over supply of labor, under demand for services by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Agreed, there is too much labor chasing
    too little demand. Wages are down, working
    conditions have deteriorated. Katz needs
    to look at the want-ads: still depressed
    from the dot-com meltdown, telecomm collapse,
    and Osama's kamikazis. There is no turn
    around, just hypothetical buzz.

    The US government should let the markets work:
    some people will leave tech for more stable
    jobs in other fields. The H1-B program should
    be scaled back to the levels of 1990 if not
    eliminated entirely: non-immigrant "guest worker"
    programs are inherently odious. Why not let
    a select few become citizens without getting
    shaken down by corporate America and lawyers?
    This program is sinister. Furthermore, why
    target tech workers for special forgeign
    competition? We could use more and better lawyers,
    doctors, teachers, firemen, policemen, etc.
    Don't single out programmers for special
    competition. Jeez! Unfair!

  69. Re:Speaking of Big Brother #@ +1 ; Controversial @ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am glad that George W. Bush chose to take on Mr. Cheney as his running mate. Cheney gave additional credibility and a sense of solidity to Bush's platform. He is a solid consistent man experienced in the real world of Business as well as politics and foreign policy.

    Your ranting, sputtering nonsense is just the flip side of the 'Bill Clinton is the anti-Christ' nonsense.

  70. Re:resumes? how about business plans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree. Right now is the perfect time to start a business, if you have the guts. If you don't have a job, then there's nothing to lose; if you do, why be at the mercy of your employer under corporate shelter?

  71. Wrong Tech Boom - Non IT will Boom by caesar-auf-nihil · · Score: 2

    Mr. Katz has it all wrong. IT is not going to be the area of tech that will boom post 9/11 as we go into a much different type of war, a war of cloak and dagger and targeted, precise military actions. The fields of tech that will undergo booms in funding will not be IT, or computers, it will be Chemistry, Physics, Aerospace engineering, and Biotech.

    Biotech will get the most - designed to come up with biowarfare countermeasures (better Anti-biotics for Anthrax, better vaccienes (sp?))

    Physics will get the next most for new weapons, counter measures, and the ever famous missle defense shield. Think applied physics in the areas of superconductors and photonics for ground and air-based chemical lasers.

    Aerospace engineering will get quite a bit from the govt. to develop better unmanned drones, superior targeting equipment, and replacing all the bombs getting dropped in Afghanistan and maybe Iraq later.

    Chemistry will get the last batch of major funding, for new explosives (Thermobaric bombs were a combination of applied physics and new explosive chemistry), chemical detection equipment (analytical chemistry, micro-sensors for detecting micromoles of chem warfare/neurotoxin agents), and chemical support for the applied phyics field listed above. Probably even new polymeric materials for aerospace applications.

    There will indeed be another tech boom, but its not going to be in IT. Given the enemies of the US in this war on terrorists, IT is useful in getting intelligence on the enemy, but its going to be the ground forces and new weapons that take them out, not an improved IT solution or technology. Unless that IT allows one to fly an unmanned drone better, its not going to get much more funding than it already gets.

    --
    -When going for broke, go for Ithaca!
    1. Re:Wrong Tech Boom - Non IT will Boom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you seem to miss the concept that all those industries are *very* heavily computerized.

      a boom in all those industries would have a very positive affect on the tech industry.

      the tech industry isn't just e-commerce & telecom.

      rho@linuxmail.org

  72. Optimism? by pilsen · · Score: 1
    Anyone ever see those billboards for HotJobs.com that say "Optimism is your Weapon"?


    So much for optimism.

  73. What the hell are you talking about? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Until you start hearing from people that live here in Silicon Valley, that things are 'turning around', cease your retarded articles. Until then don't move here. Stay away. You are not going to get a job doing anything unless you have 10 years experience - MAYBE. Yes you can FIND housing now but the rents haven't come down that much. They are still $1,500/mo. Landlords would rather write off empty space as a loss than do you a favor by giving you a place to live.

  74. Fake Forecast for Tech Firms by WillSeattle · · Score: 1

    Sigh, Jon, Jon, Jon. I'm sure you think it's witty writing, but you're getting suckered.

    Look, if you'd been through a few business cycles and been paying attention - or even looked back in any decent magazines and books that covered previous tech cycles (say to the 1800's), you would know that the following "true" things you said are hype and misleading:

    "A need for more secure technologies and new weaponry."

    But no money for them. Look at the budgets of the firms and the government - then forecast.

    "A huge increase in "homeland security" spending by governments and biotech."

    Again, no. They're shuffling money amongst accounts. I've got some money in a few biotechs and have owned weapons and biodefense stocks before - this is mostly hype - wait for the inevitable crash when investors realize the money ain't there. They won't even go after the real anthrax "bomber" - who is an extremist insider we trained. Even though they know who it must be.

    "A boon for telecom and video conferencing companies and systems."

    This sector will crash - the expectations are way too high for the stock prices. Then you'll tell us that ubergeeks caused the crash. No - investors believed unbelievable projections. The market will grow - but not that much.

    "Continuing increases in sales across the tech spectrum for post 9/11 world."

    Sales will drop. Period. Look for the telecom and tech sectors to fall even further. People like me make money on suckers who invest now - we sell to you. Others short the stocks. Can't say that I blame them.

    Again, another hyped article about something you know little about. If you had a few quotes that weren't pulled from the usual suspect sources pushing the stocks on MSNBC or CNBC or CNN - then one might want to read an article about how telecom stocks are so hyped they have no choice but to fall. 1650 percent returns per annum. While tech stocks are almost as bad. 150 percent returns per annum. And these are the quality stocks I'm talking about - the firms likely to survive the continuing fallout.

    [yes, I have a day job, but I've been investing since I was a kid]
    -

    --
    --- Will in Seattle - What are you doing to fight the War?
  75. Well, Recruit ME! by Baldrson · · Score: 2
    Wall Street analysts have been buzzing for months now about the new spending about to be unleashed as government

    Katz sounds so much like one of those mid-1999 Silicon Valley recruiters offering stock options that its downright cute.

  76. Tell that to all the folks I know out of work by bluGill · · Score: 2

    Yeah, right. Ecconomy booming. Maybe in comparition to what it could be, but you didn't attempt make that point. (and I'm not sure I'd belive it.

    I know many laid off tech workers. Not .com either, some have been in comptuers longer than I've been born. No jobs out there. Every company I know of is in the mode of "We are not hiring, we are trying to keep the people we do have."

  77. Silicon Valley is NOT alive and well by schnurble · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Despite much hype to the contrary, Silicon Valley is quite alive and well, as is our increasingy data-driven, tech-based economy.

    Jon, you're full of shit.

    If the Valley was quite alive and well, then why did my former company go from almost 1700 people to less than a hundred in 18 months (and then I got laid off in January). IPIX wasnt one of the cruft. I helped design and implemented most of the Enhanced Picture Services (as seen on eBay.com) system, hell I ran it all singlehandedly for a few weeks at a time, and usually with a tiny ops team. If it was such a technology boom, I should've been able to hire people to help me. We also ran the Full360 real estate virtual tours system.

    Now I see why everyone's tired of your same old bullshit, Jon.

    --
    "To err is human, to forgive is simply not my policy." --root
    1. Re:Silicon Valley is NOT alive and well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      .......the Enhanced Picture Services (as seen on eBay.com) system.........the Full360 real estate virtual tours system.

      Woot! Sounds like bullshit calling bullshit to me.

    2. Re:Silicon Valley is NOT alive and well by chuckfee · · Score: 1

      what on earth were 1700 people supposed to
      do for ipix? NASA probably uses less people
      to put the space shuttle in orbit.

      If you and you skeleton team were doign all the
      work, what were the other 1695 people doing?

      no matter how good the idea if you can't control
      cash burn rate you're going to go bankrupt. At
      $100k for salary and bennies and office space
      per person, that's $170 million/year in labor
      expenses.

      Sounds to me like 100 people is probably a
      reasonable size given the realistic revenue
      of a company like ipix.

    3. Re:Silicon Valley is NOT alive and well by schnurble · · Score: 2

      Hey, I never said 1700 was justifiable. But if there was such a technology boom, as JonKatz suggests, there'd be money around for the additional staff, additional R&D, additional sales people, additional HR, etc.

      It's kinda hard to run a 200+ server environment with three 9's expectations with only 3 people. AFAIK, that's what they're doing right now. That's understaffed.

      Of course, the company has pissed through $100 million or more since I started there, mostly on stupid deals or pipe dreams. But oh well.

      (And no, last I saw, the number of people it took to get a shuttle into orbit was well over ten thousand, including all the maintenance)

      -j

      --
      "To err is human, to forgive is simply not my policy." --root
  78. Live Video of Afghan Fighting Questionable by JThaddeus · · Score: 1

    Shades of Vietnam! From the Washington Post: "[S]oldiers involved in the battle said the live video links gave them little useful information and were sometimes a distraction, encouraging higher-level military staffs to try to micromanage the fighting." Look here for the full article.

    --
    "Love is a familiar; Love is a devil: there is no evil angel but Love." --William Shakespeare ('Love's Labors Lost')
  79. This is the problem by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 2

    Part of the reason the CIA didn't uncover Bin Ladin sooner is that it's too fixated with electronic surveilance and has gotten away from actually sending in operatives to infiltrate small but radical organizations.

    Remember the Unibomber? People who don't adhere to the normal regieme of society and technology fall into a blind spot, as far as US intelligence is concerned.

    When some guys with box cutters hijacked some airplanes, our government responded with renewed calls for a missle defense grid.

    Huh?

    Technology alone isn't the solution to terrorism. But 'the best solution money can buy' tends to be a tech solution.

    --

    ___
    It's the end of my comment as I know it and I feel fine.
  80. Oh hell Katz.. by Xerithane · · Score: 2

    Silicon Valley is alive and well, just like everywhere else in America. There was never any problems with things being dead. However, it still is hard to get a job and a lot of people are unemployed. I moved out of the bay area last year after being laid off to avoid a constant game of leaping from job to job just to get laid off when the company went under.

    I feel bad for my friends who stayed down there, who are competing with about 250 other candidates for any programming job that opens up, because most of the jobs gets picked by favoritism of people who have an in at the company. Some of my friends just moved to the bay area for a job, and don't know many people yet to get that luxory. Before reporting booms, lets try to look at some realities, ok?

    --
    Dacels Jewelers can't be trusted.
  81. What is Katz smoking THIS time? by deeny · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Silicon Valley is alive and well? Then how come so many tech geeks I know are unemployed or working at Starbucks, bookstores, etc.?

    It's true that there is a whimper of a pickup, but it's just a whimper. Many people are running out of unemployment $ and I expect that there will be a rise in foreclosures on houses as Santa Clara county continues to have one of the higher unemployement rates of urban areas in the country.

    Heck, even VA-whatever just had another, quiet round of layoffs. Most people can't even remember how many rounds their companies have had -- it's *that* bad.

    And, while there are still recruiters in business, not a single contact I have from last year works for the recruiting firm they did when I received their address. It's not that they've moved -- they're laid off.

    I'd give it another six months at least before declaring it even alive. It's got too much brain activity to be clinically dead, but it's not out of the ICU yet.

    1. Re:What is Katz smoking THIS time? by sweet+reason · · Score: 1

      Silicon Valley is alive and well? Then how come so many tech geeks I know are unemployed or working at Starbucks, bookstores, etc.?

      if things are so bad, who's buying at starbucks, etc.?

      --
      Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler. -- A.E.
  82. Who are they protecting themselves from? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There has been a massive boom in the amount spent on computer security. Now let me ask you a question - who are they protecting themselves from? Do you really think Al Qaeda or some other organization has the know-how to launch a wide-scale attack on the Internet or the like? I mean, that explanation may play out in the press, but we who know how to configure a firewall and so forth should have a few more question marks after that. I mean, the tech-savvy of Al Qaeda is to bring box-cutters onto airplanes - not exactly rocket science. Could this have to do with the fact that a large percentage of Silicon Valley is unemployed, and being replaced by cheaper, younger workers from India? There are going to be a lot of unemployed and underemployed and pissed off guys in the next few *years* (yes years, if you think things are going back to before the market crash soon you're dreaming) who know how to create a race condition and make a stack overflow. Just something to mull over. Not without merit, just look at the rise in spending on security, business continuity and so forth before 9/11.

  83. Digital Battlefield? In Afghanistan? Ha! by waldoj · · Score: 4, Funny

    "The battlefield will not be physical so much as it will be digital," Rob Owens, a tech industry analyst at Pacific Crest Securities in Portland, Ore., told the San Francisco Chronicle recently.

    "OK, Agent Smith. I want you to start by taking down Al Queda's Internet access."

    "Uh...sir? There is no Internet access in Afghanistan."

    "Perfect! Then disrupt their cellular telephone communications."

    "Right...er...they don't have cellphones."

    "Well done, Smith! Now, I want to disrupt their landline network."

    "Sir, they don't have -- strictly speaking -- what you would call a 'telephone network.'"

    "I do say, Agent Smith, I'm very impressed! Then let's hit their power grid. I want 98% of Afghanistan to be dark within 72 hours."

    "Well, sir...uh...that's pretty much taken care of, too."

    "Wonderful, wonderful, Smith. This new digital warfare is really working out! Now we'll just wait a few weeks and they'll feel like they're living in caves. Join me for golf?"

    -Waldo Jaquithi

  84. Techology isn't the answer - but the problem by WillSeattle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    do you /really/ think more computers and software will help protect you from more low-tech terrorism? [That]'s what I (any most European anti-terrorist experts, which is to say, those who have some experience and understanding of what they're dealing with) think. The only way you'll stop it happening again -- IMHO -- is to stop funding Israel and get the fsck out of the economies and political systems of supposedly "independent" states that don't want you there (the people, that is, not the rulers), and to stop backing dictatorships like Saudi Arabia just because they're "on your side". In Ireland they used to say: "You cannot have a military solution to a political problem." Guess what? They were right.

    Sadly, you are correct. The amusing thing about all of this is that we actually know what we have to do to crush the enemy who will attack us again.

    We have to diversify our energy supply for the US into American-produced energy systems, diverse ones more resistant to attack. None of these are oil (or its derivative gasoline).

    If we really want to stop the attacks, we should be pushing for more American-made, American-operated, and American-maintained energy supplies like clean coal, wind energy, fuel cells (for storage and distribution, plus vehicle power), and solar energy (in remote non-wired areas). Not tomorrow - today. Right now wind energy is half as expensive as oil and takes a max of 18 months to build a new plant - and the system (the grid) can take up to about 20 percent variable power supplies. If you throw fuel cells in you can store the energy where produced and use it for vehicles (like farm vehicles, trucks, SUVs).

    But at the moment every dollar we spend on oil results in 50 cents going to the terrorists and those who aid, educate, supply, and train them. And the countries behind this are known: some are our supposed "allies" like Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Egypt, Pakistan, Malaysia, the Phillipines, and Signapore. That's where the enemy lies.

    Propping up dictatorships with tech won't forestall the attacks. It will just encourage more. And propping up oil-dependent energy will do the same thing. It's their supply line - more than 90 percent of their funding (indirect and direct) - comes from oil money, while less than 2 percent comes from drug money (used mostly for field operations income).

    In fact, when in the field in Europe and the US, the terrorists fund themselves from the low-tech hacker techniques, like stealing credit cards, bank fraud, offshore tax havens, free email.

    Tech is not our friend in this war. Sound national policy is. Most of the useful tech is the cheaper faster better stuff like cheap bombs that have GPS, not fancy doodads that cost millions per missile.

    -

    --
    --- Will in Seattle - What are you doing to fight the War?
    1. Re:Techology isn't the answer - but the problem by Cally · · Score: 2

      Sadly, you are correct. The amusing thing about all of this is that we actually know what we have to do to crush the enemy who will attack us again.


      Well you read a whole lot into my comment that wasn't there. What's this "WE", who are "US" ? It was an attack on America, not me or my country (despite my "leader"'s pathetic lewinski-like approach to Gee-Dubya since; don't confuse what Blair says for what the UK population thinks!) Al Qaeda are YOUR enemies, not mine. Pardon my cynicism.
      --
      "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." -- Goethe
  85. Try Tech SLUMP by Geeyzus · · Score: 2

    Hello, are you even paying attention? We are in the worst tech slump in years. Now the dot-coms are dead, and because of 9/11, most companies are in a hiring freeze or are laying people off.

    I was laid off on 9/20/01, busted my ass every day and it took me a good month to find a job. My 2 other friends that were laid off are still unemployed. Well, one is unemployed, one is slinging lumber at frickin' HOME DEPOT. These are skilled programmers that couldn't find a job to save their lives.

    Maybe in the gov't sector jobs are booming, but everywhere else it sucks.

    Mark

  86. Wrong. But thanks for playing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unless you consider Hemos to be Malda's "wife"

  87. History shorthand by Bolen · · Score: 1

    Yes, I agree with you on shorthand references as an easy way to remember momentus events. I could throw in a few more from history, like "Remember the Alamo" or "Remember the Maine". The problem is when we ONLY remember the stock phrase, and not the events behind them.

    For example, one of the really bad events of the US Civil War, and a forshadowing of things to come, could be summed up as "Andersonville Georgia." Could I have a showing of hands who knows what this means?

    BTW, I assume you were just writing in haste, but it was the Jews and others killed in gas chambers, not the Nazis. :-) About 1500 Americans were killed at Pearl Harbor, not 3000.

    1. Re:History shorthand by denzo · · Score: 2
      BTW, I assume you were just writing in haste, but it was the Jews and others killed in gas chambers, not the Nazis. :-) About 1500 Americans were killed at Pearl Harbor, not 3000.
      Oops on both counts (major oops about the Nazis!). You're right, I was writing too quickly.

      My hand isn't raised about Andersonville Georgia (time for a Google search).

    2. Re:History shorthand by Eccles · · Score: 1

      My hand isn't raised about Andersonville Georgia (time for a Google search).

      It was a Confederate prison during the American Civil War. A significant percentage of the POWs died of deprivation and disease, and it has gained a reputation as the worst prison camp of the war. This reputation may be undeserved, as a similar situation was true of other Confederate and Union prison camps, or indeed any situation where large groups of men lived together with poor sanitation.

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  88. need for high-tech has been there all along by mshurpik · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, we've heard JonKatz rave about mainstream corporate movies, now he's repeating the corporate media's perception of the tech economy, which is: "Wow, the tech economy crashed but we still need technology!"

    No shit. In the past five years, and unprecedented amount of money was spent on hardware and software. What came of it? Microsoft got stronger, Windows became slower and more insecure, and the Web became full of pop-up ads.

    A few people got broadband access, and Cisco sold some routers. That's about it. The rest of the investment capital was spent on dot-com pizza parties.

    If you want to say that this country continues to have an underdeveloped tech infrastructure, then say it. But it's insulting to hear media buzzwords like "trends" and "new spending."

    Trend means, "Hire marketers now." New spending means, "Get ready for more pizza parties." Neither of these things have anything to do with the long-term planning of a fast and reliable tech infrastructure.

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  90. A bit ghoulish: by DrCode · · Score: 2

    ...but about 3000 people were killed in the WTC, while about 20000 worked there. That means that a lot of PC's, routers, and other high-tech gadgets need to be replaced.

    In addition, all those 'smart' weapons are loaded with semiconductors, and they can only be used once.

  91. Yet another artificial boom? by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    Now it is clear that the .com bomb was a balloon full of hot air.

    Now, the same media that hyped the whole affair wants us to believe, that the new balloo.... I mean ... boom will be even bigger.

    Lets obviate the fact that building weapons of mass destruction is a pretty shortsighted way of make a living, and I will ignore also how hyocratical that is.

    What is really idiotic is the same group of talented technologists falling over immediately for exactly the same hype: oh yess, the boom is coming, oh yesss, now it is arms, cryptography, surveillance not websites and e-commerce.

    Technology rulez.

    Great, way to go.

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  92. Re:Dear Katz by cryofan3 · · Score: 1

    Yer fulla shit. The politicians who are bought by tech lobby money should be tried for treason for bringing in the H1bs. And once they are found guilty, they should hanged, like any traitor....

  93. Oops, forgot to mention things U can Do by WillSeattle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    sorry.

    Some of the actual things that we can individually do - not the government, trapped in the Big Oil is Good world - are:
    (choose one - but do at least one)
    1. buy a compact flourescent lightbulb at the local hardware store or Home Depot - $4 to $6, use 1/8 the energy (this is Good Tech).
    2. get a furnace controller (turns heat down when you're at work, or asleep, but heats it up in time for waking or coming home) (Good Tech)
    3. get a tuneup for your car (better mpg)
    4. next car you buy, new or used, get one that gets 5 mpg better than your last one (off the shelf we can get 40+ mpg for cars, SUVs and trucks - but consumers need to buy it).
    5. change your furnace filter (improves energy efficiency and cleaner air).
    6. next time you buy an appliance - washer, dryer, dishwasher, toaster, microwave, oven, etc - get either the best or second best energy efficient one.
    7. buy 50 cent rubber seals to go behind your wall outlets (you're a techie, can't you do minor electrical stuff?) - up to 10 percent of heat loss is external-facing wall sockets in most houses. At Home Depot or hardware store.
    8. buy a $2 foam insulator for your hot water heater hot water pipe (going out) - keeps it warmer and less cold showers when you turn on the hot water.
    9. if your old hot water heater or furnace needs to be replaced, get the most energy efficient one you can.
    10. if wiring for motion detectors, consider wiring your furnace/air conditioner controller to adjust temp based on occupants - and lights too. this is good tech.

    All of these save you money - and cut the supply line of the enemy who wishes us dead.

    If the hundreds of millions of Americans all did this - just one thing for each person - we would change the entire energy dynamic and painlessly switch energy supplies without any government intervention, while delivering a body blow to the enemy and their supporters. Then we could stop propping up anti-democratic regimes for energy supply reasons.

    But inaction is what the al-Qaeda depend upon.

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    1. Re:Oops, forgot to mention things U can Do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, OK. Maybe a simpler one. Don't drive as much. Plan your driving so that you minimize the amount of time that you are on the road !

      Your solutions just seem to be something that doesn't really affect things that much but makes you feel good that you're doing it.

    2. Re:Oops, forgot to mention things U can Do by Pinball+Wizard · · Score: 2

      I would really like to see a "if you buy petroleum products, you just might be supporting terrorism" commercial in response to the intelligence-insulting "if you buy drugs..." commercial we've been subjected to lately.

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    3. Re:Oops, forgot to mention things U can Do by mikec · · Score: 2

      Life is not as simple as you assume.

      One problem: improving efficiency often increases total consumption. For example, refrigerators used to be very inefficient and hence expensive to operate. People got along with much less refrigeration. Then much more efficient refrigerators became common; people found all sorts of new uses for refrigeration, and the total amount of energy spent on refrigeration is now far higher.

      If you really want to reduce petroleum consumption, mandate that passenger cars get at most 0.1 miles per gallon. Gasoline usage will drop to nearly zero overnight. Or mandate that oil-burning furnaces be no more than 1/10 as efficient as today: people will start wearing sweaters really quick.

  94. Re:Speaking of Big Brother #@ +1 ; Controversial @ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Cheney gave additional credibility..."?

    Do you live under a rock or what?

  95. Put down the glass pipe, Jon by gelfling · · Score: 2

    Here in Research Triangle Park, NC we are in the midst of the worst recession and the worst unemployment since the invention of the vacuum tube.

  96. I know someone who hasn't seen Rambo III ! by crow_t_robot · · Score: 2, Funny

    Obviously, you haven't seen Rambo III. How could the russians compete with Rambo? He was totally kicking their asses even when that Hind helicopter came out and was blowing shit away, Rambo was just like, "Suck on this you Commie-Pinkos!", and then BOOM!
    Also, how do you expect a country that can't even feed and clothe it's own people to take over another country? Yeah, that's right, the country plain fell apart remember? I run into John Rambo at the coffee shop every now and then and he told me that he hasn't received one "Thank You" card for all that work. Ingrates!

  97. "The battlezone is going digital." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, and in the meantime, real people are being killed by other real people with real guns that shoot real bullets in a real place called Palestine.

    Nothing will ever replace good old fashioned war, terrorism, and mass murder. Praise the Lord and pass the Zyklon B.

    1. Re:"The battlezone is going digital." by 0xbaadf00d · · Score: 1

      Yes, and don't forget the people throwing rocks at those that have guns...

  98. Boom my rear end by Neuracnu+Coyote · · Score: 2

    I graduated college just after Sept. 11th and got laid off Sept 19th. I was out of work for three months and finally got a terrible position cleaning up HTML in a marketing shop. Now that job seems to be in jeopardy. If there's a post-9/11 boom, then I have yet to see it.

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  99. my thoughts by TheCyko1 · · Score: 1
    The fact that we have undermined a terrorist network and overturned a repressive government in weeks, with only a handful of American casualties, has transformed the way even Americans think of technology

    I don't think technology has anything to do with the fact that there was only a handful of casualties. For the past few years America has been sending in specially trained platoons of rangers/green berrets/marines/(i forget what the airforce one was called) to fight. This way less man force is wasted on our side and more are killed on thiers. all technology has to do with any of this is in the form of comm devices. a recent movie can help proove this, "Black Hawk Down". How undermining a terrorist network or overturning a opressive government or loosing a handful of americans has any influence on how we think of technology is beyond me, the only things that have to do with these are military and politics. In my opinion, that sentence was pulled out of someone's ass.

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  100. If I had mod points today... by Medievalist · · Score: 1

    ... I'd mod you up!

    I bought a Toyota Prius for world peace.

    42 mpg this winter, should be better come summer.
    --Charlie

    1. Re:If I had mod points today... by WillSeattle · · Score: 1

      Actually, you're right. Buying a Toyota Prius is a proactive pro-tech use of technology to fight the enemy.

      It's produced by an ally - Japan, who don't send terrorists to bomb us. It uses tech to get great mpg. And it's not too expensive.

      Of course, the Honda Insight gets about 65 mpg, if I recall the stats correctly.

      I'm still waiting for the US version of the fuel cell powered SUV they're selling in Japan, or the 50+ mpg hybrid gas/electric SUV they're selling in Japan.

      Would love to buy a convertible PT Cruiser that gets 50 mpg - and then install external flame units at the back just to freak them out ...

      We can make tech our ally in the War against the terrorists. Or we can sit here and whine about it.

      But waiting for the future won't make it happen. Creating what we can today - will.

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  101. Uh, YEAH! by gvonk · · Score: 2, Troll

    If AIDS was to get to the same levels in Europe or North America, you can bet a little more money would be spent...

    Um... of course!

    It's our own fucking people! You take care of your own first! I will be happy to help my fellow Americans get out of an AIDS epidemic but as far as people that far away, too frickin bad... We gotta worry about ourselves.

    So here we go, flame on... That's just how I feel.

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    1. Re:Uh, YEAH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I won't flame, just make a little counterpoint.

      The HIV epidemic in Africa _directly_ relates to American HIV. Viruses don't have political or geographic boundaries in the modern world. If Americans take the stance that our sexual morals and political isolationism will protect us against the AIDS epidemic, we will lose the battle.

      People who are part of the open source community know that cooperation is what brings about rapid change. Americans cannot and must not give a cold shoulder to HIV-infected Africa.
      Certain sections of society feel that abstinance and safe sex is a "cure all", but this actually perpetuates the problem because the same societal opinions that we feel protect us keep those victims suffering from AIDS in a world of shame and secrecy. Many people die of AIDS without ever knowing or don't want to know that they are infected. They have sex anyway, and more become infected. So the same moral politick that we feel protects our country externally damages us internally.

    2. Re:Uh, YEAH! by 56ker · · Score: 1

      The question is though will the West sort out the problem with AIDS in Africa - or will they decide its too much money to spend on a problem that's not to do with their own people?

    3. Re:Uh, YEAH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given our current inability to spend a proportionate amount of GDP on foreign aid, I seriously doubt we'll spend much money on AIDS in Africa.

      Getting the average American to see the return on aid for things like AIDS [no pun intended] is a very difficult proposition, even when, like AIDS, the problem can easily spread to encompass our interests.

    4. Re:Uh, YEAH! by bludwulf · · Score: 1

      ... How are you going to help your fellow Americans if the AIDS epidemic spreads all the way to America?

      I don't think it's going to get fixed elsewhere and THEN spread here.

      I think you have a better chance of it not spreading here if you help it get fixed elsewhere first.

      -Beau

    5. Re:Uh, YEAH! by psamuels · · Score: 1

      Way off-topic rant ... please ignore if you prefer to read about The Post 9/11 Tech Boom, which thanks to lack of hyphen is grammatically equivalent to The 9/11 Tech Boom at Post Cereals...

      The question is though will the West sort out the problem with AIDS in Africa - or will they decide its too much money to spend on a problem that's not to do with their own people?

      The thing about AIDS - 99% of people who contract it are either ignorant or stupid. The other 1% are unlucky. It's almost completely preventable, in other words. So possibly the best thing that can be done is public AIDS education (not to be confused with AIDS awareness - what good does wearing a red ribbon do, honestly?), to combat ignorance. Stupidity you can't do all that much about - think of it as evolution by natural selection. To help the last 1% you have research, into cures and treatments and so forth. That research money so far has a very low ROI, since HIV demonstrated itself long ago to be very problematic for developing a classic virus vaccine.

      Speaking of public AIDS education, I feel the job here in the US is basically done. Pretty much nobody these days is unaware of the major risk factors, just like nobody truly believes cigarettes aren't harmful. The only need for AIDS education here anymore is to kids too young to have heard it already - say 5th grade or so, no need to go older or younger. The same is not true in the third world - they could use a lot of AIDS education. (No, I'm not blowing smoke, I've BTDT.) Presumably that's what you're referring to.

      Anyway, back to my off-topic point. So why does so much AIDS charity money (and that's a big industry - don't let anyone tell you "we don't spend enough on AIDS") go to biotech research, as opposed to epidemiological measures such as partner notification and testing - tried-and-true preventative measures?

      Here's why: because officially, AIDS isn't an epidemic, it's a political statement. The gay lobby (among others) has fought very hard to make sure AIDS is not treated the same as any other disease - and that means health care professionals can't legally take the kinds of measures they would with, say, a hepatitis epidemic. Because that would "violate the privacy" of people with HIV, which is somehow different from violating the privacy of people with the hepatitis-B virus, or anthrax bacteria. What, is this because AIDS is an STD? Humbug - so is hepatitis.

      The result, according to one study (sorry, don't have the cite at work, it's in a magazine at home from 4 or 5 years ago), is that since the health sector is not allowed to treat AIDS like the epidemic you and I probably thought it was, HIV has been allowed to spread to an estimated 100,000 people more than it would otherwise have done.

      Of course, it's best not to try to explain this to Hollywood, or the gay lobby, or other AIDS activists. As the article pointed out (I'll get a cite and quote some passages if anyone wants - just email, or reply here), they don't like to hear this sort of thing. Then again, the article continues, you wouldn't like it either - being told that by through everything you believe in and by all the hard work you have done, you have helped to kill 100,000 people.

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    6. Re:Uh, YEAH! by ErikZ · · Score: 2

      Troll my ass. We're the US, not the World Welfare Assosication. You want to help out with AIDS? Fine, get up off your butt and go help. Don't treat the government like it's some endless pot of money, CAUSE IT'S NOT.

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  102. Fatal flaw in your proposal. by superdude72 · · Score: 1

    Fortunately, this website has a huge amount of geeky sorts who eat poorly, live in a dank, computer infested hovels and haven't gotten near pussy since they were expelled from one 20 years ago. Coupled with a decent facility for languages (just substitute Parsi or Arabic of PERL) and you can too can help the world's best country by being an incountry spy in a third world country like Pakistan, Egypt or France, please contact your local CIA recruiter.

    Do any of these caves have a T1 or digital cable?

    I didn't think so...

  103. Actually he has a good point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    He's not joking about the raping virgins thing. In centeral/south eastern africa, it's widely believed that having sex with a virgin cures AIDS. Many women have become infected this way. In addition, many of the schools that get set up by humanitarian groups (after they bolt and go back to america) are breeding grounds for HIV. This is because the teachers accept sex as payment for education. It's sick and seems abhorrent to us, but that's the way that things are done around there.

    The HIV problem is further compounded in two ways:

    Catholic missionaries say that using a condom is evil.

    The HIV antiviral "cocktail" of medications that slows the HIV virus requires a healthy diet (by western standards) and must include milk. It's a little-known fact that a very large majority of Africans are lactose intolerant. As a matter of fact, it was not uncommon for newly-aquired American slaves to die from eating the cheese and drinking the milk their masters fed them.

  104. Yes, the US got its pipeline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Yes, the US got its pipeline and military bases, which negotiations with the Taliban failed to get. According to non-US news sources, however, there are still plenty of Afghani fighters out there that aren't friendly to US occupation. Heed the Soviet's warning: the US is in for a long struggle.

    But, of course, John Katz believes the hype and cheerleads the development of technological aids to destroy American democracy and expand the US empire.

  105. Just playing devils advocate... by gvonk · · Score: 2

    ...But are all of these better on net balance?

    I know most are, but speaking about the light bulbs, does it take 8 times the energy to produce a compact flourescent bulb than a normal carbon filament or whatever they are? If so, your energy savings could be negated...

    If you sell your car and buy a new one, isn't the balance of energy consumption MORE than it was before you bought the car, no matter how efficient the new car is, because someone else is driving the old one around?

    I agree with your ideas and actually like them, but after reading the "Recycling is Garbage" article, I like to double-check these ideas.

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  106. 1027-bit Encrypted Message Just Decoded by Baldrson · · Score: 2
    Allahu Akbar!

    Greetings to you, Holy One, and may your struggles against Satan be fruitful.

    We have only a short time before the battle here, over which I am granted authority by you, shall be won.

    There is a problem I must bring to your attention before the completion of this chapter in our relationship:

    Many of the young men who assist me are without wives. As you know, the women of Satan are so numerous here that one can hardly look on a woman without knowing she is either Satanic or fast falling under Satan's spell. All I ask of you is this: That upon victory, my men be granted wives of their choosing from among a number of young, fertile, women who are without children of their own, to worship in accordance with their husbands' traditions. There must be many young women of whom you would like to rid yourself as they are nearly in Satan's grasp already. To us, in the Land of the Great Satan, however, they would appear to us as pure as the driven snow. If you have enough such tarnished women that some of the more heroic captains among my men, on the occasion of their victory, could take more than one wife, it will, I am sure, make the subsequent chapters of this book we are together writing all the more fruitful!

    Allahu Akbar!

  107. Re:Digital Battlefield? In Afghanistan? Ha! by ethereal · · Score: 1

    Look on the bright side: we've already won the war on them watching pirated DVDs on their C64s. U.S. copyright policy reigns supreme in Afghanistan - Michael Eisner must be so happy right now :)

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  108. what goes up must come down by mediadiva · · Score: 1

    Things will eventually go up, thing eventually will go down again. The true questions is, how long will it stay down, and how long will it stay up. I am in Atlanta, I had a friend laid off last week, but for the most part everyone has jobs, though making alot less money. The job descriptions have still not improved and people ask for 5 years exerience in somethng that hasn't existed that long. It's just they way it is, the only thing you can do is play the game, hope for the best and take every oppertunity you can get. People can guess at what will happen, it will go up or down, but both are inevitable.

  109. State isn't the big brother by ednopantz · · Score: 1

    What strikes me about all this is how far behind the state is in survelieance technologies. My credit card company, heck Amazon, knows more about me than the government does. Private databases contain more information than any intrusive state could ever hope to collect. The trouble lies in using that information.

    Twenty years ago when the Puzzle Palace was published, the NSA, with all its black budgets, computers and piles of cash, couldn't look at more than a tiny fraction of the data it collected. Think that problem has gone away?

    Information collection is ubiquitious, but the use of that information by the state is limited. Limited by the capactity of state facilities, the staggering incompetence of the intelligence forces, etc.

    Even without the state, we have moved into an era of relative transparency in our public acts. If someone really wants to know if you walked down a certain street, there is probably a camera that caught your image. The trick is to find out which camera it is. Our public acts are stored in an enormous record, just like a library without a catalog filled with of books without indices, the trick is going to be finding that what one is looking for.

  110. Things are lookin' up by avdi · · Score: 2

    All I can say is, now I don't feel quite so bad about missing out on all those .COM opportunities as I toiled away at my boring 'ole programming job at one of the largest defense contractors in the world... :-)

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    1. Re:Things are lookin' up by John_Bell_2 · · Score: 1

      Ah yes, the good old days of the 10 to 4 dee-fence contractor job (two hour lunch and one hour smoke break included, natch).

      OK ok, that was harsh, but those of you who work for a defense contractor know at least a few folks with such "innovative" work skills.

      Even so, any time I see one of these "har dee har har lookit me over here snug as a bug in a rug with my dee-fence contractor job while HTML slingers walk the streets coding for $2 crack hits" posts, all I can think is "playah hater, no guts no glory".

      Ever stop to think that some of us who took advantage of those .COM opportunities don't necessarily need to be running back to work right away? Nah, probably not, we're ALL losers, of course.

  111. i dont see it by crzdcowboy · · Score: 1

    I dont know if this is rampant optimism or what, but as a senior graduating this semester with 2 engineering degrees in 4 years, a prestigious internship under my belt, and a significant list of marketable skills, I'm finding my job search on the east coast wraught with "we're in a hiring freeze" and "cash crunch -- I'm sorry, but we cant afford to hire anyone right now."

  112. Re:A quintessentially American solution to securit by Takeel · · Score: 2, Funny

    There is always a remarkable trickle-down effect within private enterprise that occurs when massive, targeted government spending pours forth.

    Wow!!! I had no idea that Ronald Reagan reads and posts to Slashdot!

  113. that should be "thin-skinned" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Absolutely! You're not a whiner: Katz is a callous fool in minimizing this world tragedy.

    Those in other regions may not have lost their landmarks or as many loved ones, but they've lost their innocence, AND ARE LOSING THEIR CIVIL LIBERTIES, as quickly as we are in the East.

    Katz was right about one thing: the war's over....Freedom lost.

  114. Why they say "The Events of Sept 11th" by CharlieG · · Score: 2

    Do you really want to know why they say "The Events of Sept 11th"?

    Whenever they use the phrase "The Attacks on the WTC" to mean more than just the attacks on the WTC, the phone rings off the hook - Remember, on Sept 11th, there was also the attack on the Pentagon, and the Hijack/crash of Flight 93 in PA

    So, "The Events of Sept 11th" is a LOT faster than saying

    "The Attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, and the hijacking of Fight 93"

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  115. [OT] Re:undermined? by gabbarsingh · · Score: 1

    And, yes, we do not intend to stay there. We already have naval bases in the Hindi Ocean. (This was the reason behind the Soviet's push to the south)

    You mean Indian Ocean. FYI, there are only four oceans, Atlantic, Pacific, Arctic and Indian.

    1. Re:[OT] Re:undermined? by syrinx · · Score: 1

      Still OT, but FYI there are five oceans, Atlantic, Pacific, Arctic, Indian, and Southern.

      Still no Hindi Ocean though.

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  116. the devil's in the details by WillSeattle · · Score: 1

    ...But are all of these better on net balance?

    No. I'm trying to get us out of our "someone else must fix this" mindset. Where we fail to realize that we can actually do something.

    I know most are, but speaking about the light bulbs, does it take 8 times the energy to produce a compact flourescent bulb than a normal carbon filament or whatever they are? If so, your energy savings could be negated...

    This is a prime argument against solar. The fab costs create a lot of bad chemicals and use a lot of energy. If you have a choice between a gasoline or diesel generator and a solar cell array with batteries - it depends on the use. However, given the 5 to 10 year lifespan (more years costs more money), compact flourescents are a net energy saver. My best advice is buy a few at Home Depot (cheap $4 to $6) and only use them for the lights you leave on a lot (in my house that's the kitchen and living room (giant room actually) where my computers are.

    If you sell your car and buy a new one, isn't the balance of energy consumption MORE than it was before you bought the car, no matter how efficient the new car is, because someone else is driving the old one around?

    I didn't say to go out and sell your car. I said the next time you are buying a car. You should really be using a car for 10 years, but I'm not trying to change your buying behaviour, just what you buy when you do buy. If you buy used cars, buy a better mpg more fuel efficient used car next time - one that is 5 mpg better than the last one. Don't accelerate your purchase schedule - don't start buying used if you buy new or vice versa. Just - when you buy - get a slightly better car, SUV, or truck in terms of mpg. Or kpl (km/l) if you don't live in the US.

    I agree with your ideas and actually like them, but after reading the "Recycling is Garbage" [williams.edu] article, I like to double-check these ideas.

    Good point. In Germany they make computers and cars so they can recycle the whole thing, since the manufacturer pays for disposal. This would be better than our current system. But I don't advocate forcing change on people - I am advocating taking positive proactive action today and not waiting for the "future" when they finally release fuel cell cars in the US, even though they have released them already in Japan.

    Practical experience is use the tech you have now to get real change now. Not be idealistic to the point of blindness. If I had put off buying two dual-processor Linux high-grade servers for 12 months, I could have used the money to buy two blade computers with 10 times the power and easier to use. But if I need the servers today, that was a good choice.

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    1. Re:the devil's in the details by gvonk · · Score: 1

      I didn't say to go out and sell your car. I said the next time you are buying a car. You should really be using a car for 10 years, but I'm not trying to change your buying behaviour, just what you buy when you do buy.

      Good call... I actually read too fast and thought in your comment that you were advocating we all go buy more efficient cars.

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    2. Re:the devil's in the details by WillSeattle · · Score: 1

      nah, if you have a bike, keep it.
      if you have Ginger, keep it.
      if you have a car, keep it.
      if you have an SUV, keep it.
      if you have a truck, keep it.

      just next time you buy one (or get one for a kid or parent or girlfriend) - then get a replacement vehicle that gets 5 mpg better than your last one. If your last one was a 12 mpg truck, get a 17 mpg truck.

      The tech is there. We just need to use it gradually. Fast change is inefficient.

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  117. Re:Digital Battlefield? In Afghanistan? Ha! by WillSeattle · · Score: 1

    If you want to affect al-Qaeda, realize that more than 90 percent of their money supply comes from people with oil dollars. And less than 2 percent from drugs.

    Attack the supply line and let the military apply the appropriate tech. One of the reasons we're doing so well is we use cheaper faster better tech like JDAM/JATO bombs that cost a couple of thousand instead of millions for drones and missiles, but throw in a couple of drones and forward observers to increase the accuracy.

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  118. Re:A quintessentially American solution to securit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go back to your cave you rotten burger eater.

  119. The Real Reason Katz Published Today: SF Chronicle by Baldrson · · Score: 2
    Contrary to the propaganda out of Newsweek, confidential data obtained by the SF Chronicle "hints" that government statistics have seriously underestimated job losses here in California and that job losses may be greater than feared (those of us with jobs are likely the "politically correct" immigrants with their H-1B visas). This economic blurb made the front page of today's SF Chronicle.

    The unpopular expansion of the H1-B program has caused massive dislocation in the tech industry with little popular debate.

    Over 80% of the American public opposed expansion of the H1-B program. Still, the program was expanded last year, in the middle of a tech recession. White House sources available to this correspondent indicate that there is starting to be considerable dissent among personnel in the Bush administration on whether the expansion of the H1-B program should be continued. Bush has been a strong supporter of the H1-B program(McCain and Gore also supported the H1-B program- Leiberman was unusual in that he was one of four senators that abstained from or opposed the major Senate vote around H1-B expansion).

  120. Tech boom by laserweasel · · Score: 1

    Tech boom, huh? Tell that to the unemployment office. Better yet, don't.. :P

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  121. Re:The Real Reason Katz Published Today: SF Chroni by Baldrson · · Score: 2

    The source of the H-1B text given was here.

  122. Tech Boom? by RobPiano · · Score: 1

    I'm a senior graduating from college trying to get into grad school or find a job. At my school's job fair their were *two* tech companies that took my resume and they both said "We have a freeze for the rest of the year, but when its over we'll check out your resume."

    If their is a tech boom, it would have to relate to the fact they companies spent the last 6 months *not* hiring.

    Speaking of which if anyone is looking for a bright, talented musician/programmer e-mail me :)

    Rob
    RobPiano@hotmail.com

  123. Re:We didn't start the Fire, we tired to fight it. by mpe · · Score: 2

    Because in the post 9/11 world, we're all potential terrorists and thieves, and the gov't has to protect it's corporate cash cows.

    Shouldn't "cash" equal "sacred" :)

  124. 9th of November ? by TheRealDamion · · Score: 1

    Why do people put 9/11? That only makes sense
    with a year prepended 2001-09-11 otherwise it's
    assumed to be 9th of 11 (November)

  125. The Flag Lady by hyrdra · · Score: 2

    I'll tell you who has hit it big from 9/11:

    The Flag Lady. Who is she you ask? Well, here in a small town in Ohio there is a woman who has run a small flag shop in the small downtown area. The first day she got nearly 11,000 orders for flags.
    No kidding. She had to hire 150 employees, and she ended up renting a warehouse. There was a picture of her in the newspaper, and whereas before she had a little flag shop with a small dollar store cash register, she now had a giant warehouse complete with inventory control systems, production lines, etc.

    She was standing next to a few servers, they looked like S/390's, explaining to the newspaper how she managed customer orders.

    I assume she has scaled back now. However, before she used to be a very small, yet respected business owner in the community. Now she owns a huge house on the hill and has bought several franchises in town, and is running for a seat on City Council.

    The moral of this story? Go into the flag business!

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  126. Re:We didn't start the Fire, we tired to fight it. by DickPhallus · · Score: 1

    Shouldn't "cash" equal "sacred" :)

    Aye, the corporations are the ones lined up waiting to be culled :)

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  127. Re:We didn't start the Fire, we tired to fight it. by DickPhallus · · Score: 1

    Aye, the corporations are the ones lined up waiting to be culled :)

    I meant aren't the ones... sheesh :) Bloody tuesdays...

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  128. Silicon Valley? Alive and well?? by kcbrown · · Score: 2
    Despite much hype to the contrary, Silicon Valley is quite alive and well

    Bwahahahaha!! Damn, Katz, you've always been full of shit (particularly in your movie reviews) but this has got to be one of the most idiotic comments I've ever seen. I guess maybe it's "alive and well" in that there are still people living here, but that's about all you can say about it.

    This place is "alive and well" only if you're looking at the healthcare industry here (hint: looking at healthcare won't tell you a thing, because the demand for healthcare services is largely independent of the economy).

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    1. Re:Silicon Valley? Alive and well?? by Squidgee · · Score: 1

      1) Katz is correct - what survived the initial crash (those without Elephants and Magical Dragons From China at their IPO parties) are surviving, and dare I say flourishing, in the valley of silicon.
      2) Katz is not full of shit. 'nuff said.

    2. Re:Silicon Valley? Alive and well?? by kcbrown · · Score: 2
      Katz is correct - what survived the initial crash (those without Elephants and Magical Dragons From China at their IPO parties) are surviving, and dare I say flourishing, in the valley of silicon.

      You are correct that there are some companies that survived the tech crash. But that's not what Katz said. He said that Sillicon Valley is "quite alive and well" and, furthermore, that the tech economy itself is also "quite alive and well".

      Well, the tech economy in Silicon Valley is not alive and well, and the unemployment rate around here (two or three percentage points above the national average if I'm not mistaken), combined with the fact that not only are most of the tech people I know out of a job, but most of the tech people they know are also out of a job, proves it enough for me (but go ahead and believe in Katz's fantasy that everything in Silicon Valley is hunky dory if it makes you feel better).

      I wouldn't have a problem if Katz limited himself to only a few companies, but in his usual style he's taking sound bites from the media and applying them to everything.

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  129. There will be a revival, though by MtViewGuy · · Score: 2

    I think we may see a revival of the tech industry pretty soon anyway.

    There are three reasons for this:

    First, the Internet is in desperate need of updating. Our current IPv4-based networks can only be described as the equivalent of chewing gum and bailing wire on an old biplane--the use of routers and other techniques to extend the use of IPv4 can only take us so far.

    Once the switch to IPv6 begins in earnest, there is going to be a massive need for IPv6 compatible networking equipment.

    Secondly, our cellular telephone systems will soon begin the transition to 3G phones later this decade. Again, there will be a major need for cellular system upgrades to take advantage of 3G cellular technology.

    Finally, the FCC mandate for digital TV means we will have to start improving both cable TV and DBS systems later this decade.

    In short, hardware manufacturers are going to enjoy a major revival by 2005 as the changes I mention start getting implemented.

  130. The new boom will be primarily hardware by MtViewGuy · · Score: 2

    Folks,

    I read with interest Jon Katz's comments.

    Contrary to what a lot of people think, there will be another boom coming to Silicon Valley fairly soon.

    This new boom will not be the excesses of the dot-com era of the late 1990's, but based on real needs and government mandates.

    First, the Internet will need to fairly soon advance beyond our current IPv4 address system. Sure, modern routers has extended the usefulness of IPv4, but the new IPv6 addressing system can easily accommodate way more devices operating over the Internet. As the switch to IPv6 begins in ernest over the next few years, there will be considerable need to either upgrade current installed network hardware and/or install new network hardware that supports IPv6. It also means we have to upgrade our software to support IPv6 easily for all Windows, Macintosh, Linux, BSD, and commercial Unix users.

    Second, all the major cellular companies (AT&T, Cingular, Verizon, Sprint PCS) are preparing to make the technological jump to 3G cellular phones that support far faster data tranmission speeds than today's systems, meaning we can have things like high-quality streaming media over cellphones. Because 3G cellular systems require new hardware, there will be big demand for new telecommunications equipment that support 3G.

    Finally, the FCC's mandate of digital TV will mean the need to upgrade our current cable TV, broadcast TV and satellite systems. That means lots of demand for new telecommunications equipment to support digital TV, especially 1080i 16:9 aspect ratio HDTV.

  131. two words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FALKLAND ISLANDS

  132. Third parties in the US only hurt themselves by NDPTAL85 · · Score: 1

    One could also make the case that the current third party candidates are simply so whacky that they keep themselves down. I don't think the Democrats or Republicans have to do anything when you have a party like the Libertarians promoting their agenda the way it is. Not very many people in their right minds would vote for Libertarians considering what they want to do to the country, but then again I guess its simpler to blame others than to look inward and ask "Why doesn't anyone vote for us or support us"?

    All one has to do is go here: http://www.lp.org/issues/ to see their various opinions on various issues.

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  133. Ads we'd like to see re what works by WillSeattle · · Score: 1

    yeah, "Today I killed 200 innocent civilians, when I refilled my tank." or "I shot an American combat soldier in the back today when I decided to buy a lower mpg car."

    That's what it means.

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  134. ENRON by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Who knows what was written on those shredded papers? A coworker who used to work for Andersen told me that Enron had built a powerplant somewhere in India, which was dependant on gas/oil coming from that infamous pipeline to stay profitable. Initially they tried the "soft" route (i.e. bribe the Taliban to let them build it). If that didn't help, war was the only possible outcome. The only thing missing was a suitable excuse to wage such a war. Somehow the International Community would not accept "but we absolutely needed that pipeline"

    No big problem; just tell the buddies at the CIA to look the other way for a while, and surely the ragheads themselves will come up with a good reason why we should punch them hard...

  135. it's true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is exactly true. damn it, I have pasted nearly 100 resumes in the dallas area, and had one bite, and nothing more. This is so frustrating.
    Boom? WTF? Someone tell me where it is, and I am there. Certainly not here in TX or AZ, for that matter (I know many in AZ looking for work as well).

  136. increased security? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You must be referring to the 1000 new marketing employees microsoft has hired to market their new improved more "secure" software.

  137. Every last Israeli will be slaughtered... by jamesmrankinjr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The only way you'll stop it happening again -- IMHO -- is to stop funding Israel

    The surrounding Arab countries will start another Holocaust the instant America withdraws support for Israel. Every bit of rhetoric coming out of the Arab world is calling for the annihilation of the Israel and the Jews.

    Don't think they're serious? Most of us didn't take Islamic terrorists seriously in America, either, before September 11.

    Best,
    -jimbo

  138. Japan by mibat · · Score: 1

    I think Japan's being a successful capitalist nation has less to do with post-WWII American support than it does with Japanese culture. While the American occupation did help greatly to subsidize Japan's efforts to get back on its feet after the war, Japan's modernization began well before the 1950s. Do some reading on Japanese economics from the Tokugawa era on and you will see that Japan has a strong tradition of capitalism. Furthermore, though its rapid modernization after WWII was more extreme than that of the period following the Meiji Restoration, Japan was no stranger to the international economy and industrialization.

    While American economic support post-WWII did do a lot for Japan in terms of helping it rebuild, the concepts of a modernized, capitalist Japan had been there for a while and, in my opinion, had nothing to do with the American occupation. When you make statements like "Why do you think they are far and away the most capitalistic [sic] of the Eastern countries?" I think you should back it up with a little more of an argument. Maybe a definition of "Eastern countries" would make your point more clear as well, because it seems like an ill-informed generalization to me.

  139. Bull-whacky!! by paulexander · · Score: 1

    Then why can't I get a friggin job?? I've been unemployed since November... I have four years Unix Admin experience, and the recruiters still won't return my calls.

    I agree with the ideas that a tech boom will return. Even without the need for increased security, it's just the way our society is currently moving.

    But thinking that there's no problem with the unemployment rate being over 7.5 (average) for the Bay Area is ridiculous!!

  140. Tech labor is now a commodity:Law of Lowest Wages by ebusinessmedia1 · · Score: 1

    Who cares if the sector is picking up? This won't *largely* change things in Silicon Valley.

    Any upswing due to new security-driven initiatives will be shared by other tech regions.

    The projections indicating that the recession is over are way optimistic. Just today the Chron pointed out that the recession 'had' (as if it's past tense) been deeper in California than elsewhere...no kidding!

    In fact, as we continmue to go through tech booms-and-busts, the share of the pie that Silicon Valley labor sees as a result will steadily decrease. The region is already in decline, with two exceptions:
    1) High end tech skills
    2)Investment capital

    And these are steadily eroding advantages.

  141. Let's all just hope... by Squidgee · · Score: 1
    that the next boom (*fingers crossed*) is not squandered with insane amounts of excess as the last one was (Work in between the parties, anyone?)...
    If it isn't, then us geeks will be saved -- saved from jobs we don't like, and handed those we do: those with titles containing the words 'software', 'computing', or 'system' in them.

    Let's just hope...

  142. Re:The Real Reason Katz Published Today: SF Chroni by ebusinessmedia1 · · Score: 1

    This is called "takin' care of BUSINESS".

    Seriously folks, let's realize that capital is now on the wire. There is simply no reason for high-level politicos to consider what effects their decisions have on the long-term well-being of the population that have been entrusted to represent.

    btw, this isn't to paint all politicians and business people with a broad brush; however, it's clear that the trend is doing whatever it takes to make one's chums - the one's with the most money and influence - comfortable.

    What's new?

  143. Re: Guilty by ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well for one thing the US has been a Big Brother
    state for a long time whether we want to accept
    it or not, and it is getting worse. Man, it is
    almost scary (as a well-abiding citizen) to do
    anything these days.

    As for the Silicon Valley triving... well,
    whoever said that is kidding him/herself. There
    is lots of unemployment, I for one have been out
    of the market for nearly 3 months, had to leave
    my apartment and seek asylum with friends. Yes,
    there are lots of positions advertised, most
    -it seems, considering my 12 years of experience
    in the field- are for "the future".

    For one thing I am already considering
    working on contract abroad. This already took
    most of my savings and the government is
    not doing anything to help it (except make
    war).

  144. This is getting to be embrassing ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know that that the /. commmunity is wide (?), but WAKE THE FSCK UP. How many of you can ACTUALLY make your company move to BSD,GPL, ? I CAN, my company has been lurching around for longer that BillyG & his henchmen. Incorperated 1979 ! The point is that we've had to compete with BillyG's latest OS's because 'Joe Six-Pack', also known as the CUSTOMER ! has seens some half-witted BS PR presentation from M$ that say's that all is well, BillyG is the one True God, & 'yea those who worship the false Linux idol shall be as chaff in the wind'.
    In short BS, I joined my company & they hadn't done ANY major development to the product in 10 YEARS ! . So, we fixed in 12 months all of the BAD things our customers have complained about. BUT ! Lo and .NET did appear & it had NOT support & ther where NO real-world apps that you could aim for & it was a complete head-fsck for the 100,000+ VB programmers who'd learn't ADO, & JET & those other COMPLETELY FSCKING REDUNDANT technologies.
    Pop quiz. If your reading /. you have a brain. If your reading /. & your upset, congratulations ! you give a sh*t. If you find this article & it rasises NO feedback, you are a PHB, please invert your notebook NOW & shake it.
    Back on topic, M$ tries to change the rules, with .NET, their is NO reason why they will NOT change their API's.
    If they DO & your Mr. Win32 API, meat Mr. Extended Middle Finger. Current VB guys & MFC guys who can't keep up 'are toast' M$ Sales Dept UK 2002. I An't here, you an't seen me !

  145. Further New by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In further news it was revealed that the US Border Patrol would be, in future, awarded to an outside private contracter. Quoted 'If somebody tries to introduce a nuclear device in the the U.S. we will find them'. Except for planes, boats, cars, whatever. At the white flash, kiss your ass goodbye !!

  146. New logo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Land of the guilible, home of FSCKING stupid. So long & thanx for all the fish !

  147. Re:The Real Reason Katz Published Today: SF Chroni by Baldrson · · Score: 1, Troll
    There is simply no reason for high-level politicos to consider what effects their decisions have on the long-term well-being of the population that have been entrusted to represent.
    ...
    What's new?

    When they have their boys like Katz preach at us, it is now less one-way than it was when everything was mass media. Yeah, they bought Slashdot and could install Katz to lord it over us. That's new. Furthermore at him and think about the kind of folks who rely on someone like Katz. I think they're getting more desperate.

  148. ARRG, IT WASN'T BIN-LADEN!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Please stop spreading the media lies that Bin-Laden is responsible for 9/11.
    It was George W. Bush that set us up the bomb.
    He did it for power and profit.
    Power- he is making more laws to control YOU
    Profit- him and his Oil buddies will get to use Afganistan as there new pipeline.

    It's wierd to see how gullible American's are. You trust your leaders so blindly, it's like your president is your GOD...

  149. The real battle by sister_snape · · Score: 1

    is not against "terrorism". The real battle is against continued expansion of State power over all of us. Terrorism cannot be stopped short of having each and every person observed and controlled 24x7 OR by working on the roots of terror. Hint, blowing the shit out of people's homes because you can make some weak association between them and some terrorist or another does not address terrorism, it only creates more of it. Cutting back on our freedoms for our "protection" is no protection at all of what is important. I would rather take my chances with terrorists than with a growing abrogation of freedom and rights such as is developing in the US. Replacing high tech advances in a broad range of fields making all of our lives arguably richer with high tech geared to warfare and surveillance is NOT at all a happy story. Especially when many of those tools will be used by the government against its own citizens. Those who work at these things because the same government has wreaked the economy long before 9/11 and they have nothing much else to chose from, are literally selling their rights and freedom for a bit of porridge today. Also, turning Cyberia into a battlefield is the best way for the government and attendant Military Industrial Complex to utterly own and control the very tools and spaces so many of us have dreamed of making a place of great freedom and benefit to all. This is perhaps the saddest part of the story. We need to get our heads out of this endless war mode and get back on track to making a viable future for everyone. And we need to do it NOW.

  150. Re:Well Duh (veering off-topic) by sister_snape · · Score: 1

    You would if you knew more about languages.

  151. Re:Well Duh (veering off-topic) by sister_snape · · Score: 1

    If you knew a bit more about languages and had worked in a few more then you would understand how it could be considered an idiot language. It has been stated by its inventor that the language was designed to make average programmers reasonably productive and their efforts relatively safe. It succeeds admirably at that but it frankly bores above average and expert designers and programmers to death! Garbage collection and embedded thread support are fine features but the former has been present in other language for more than a few decades and the latter is not enough by itself to justify the limitations and lack of power of the language. Automatic loading and distribution of packages and classes? Not new although arguably more uniformly done than in many other places.

  152. Who is the enemy again? by inKubus · · Score: 1

    Don't get me wrong, I wholly agree with your entire post; Americans need to be more conscious about conservation, and not just energy. The availible free clean water supply of the world is waning rapidly. We burn and bury trash, yet everyday a new product is released which uses more packaging for "convenience". And supposedly this waste is forcing America to depend on foreign sources of materials?

    I beg to differ. I think what is really happening is that someone (Big Oil) thinks we need to use up all of the resources of the other countries, specifically the middle east. If you remove all the oil from the middle east, it ceases to be a problem. If we leave it there, some other country (like China) will get involved. Sure, it's a hotbed of religious fighting, but without billions of $ in oil money, where will they get money for weapons? We are funding their wars, we fund these terrorists. A good parallel example is South America and drugs. Without drug money, Columbia is just another 3rd world jungle. With, it is a giant civil war. We, the drug users of America (and the Drug War, which keeps supplies low, and therefore prices high) fund those terrorists.

    So the problem isn't really oil, or drugs, in these cases. It's money, greed, and the need to protect that money with weapons. Guess what, Bush just signed the largest defense spending budget EVER. Greed is a problem in America, as well.

    Basically, I think the goal is to get all the money and stuff away from polically (religiously) unstable regions and move it into America/UK/(eu?)other stable regions, and then kill everyone else, or let them go on their merry way killing each other. Sickening, but going from a divided to global economy (then currency, then finally, government [~2020-2030]) is going to require some sacrifices, in the form of human lives.

    We are over populated, and the best way to get rid of excess people is to kill them in a war. This is the truth of the matter, and most people cannot accept it. But I say, better them than me.

    Cheers.

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  153. Israel is the problem by inKubus · · Score: 1

    Stop to think: Maybe Arabs hate us because we pretty much stole a bunch of land from Arabs and gave it to a bunch of rich white people, and now give these white people millions of dollars a year and weapons and a shooting license to kill at will.

    Maybe they hate us because they see the arrogant Israelis as the embodiment of America, packaged up into a little fort placed in a Holy Land. They are serious about their religion.

    Maybe they hate us because the average Israeli makes $20k+/year whereas the average Gaza Arab has an annual income of more like $600!

    Add to this a lot of oil money from other Arabs, and you have a problem. But the problem is not the Arabs, the terrorists. They would not exist without Israel being there; they would not hate us if we hadn't stolen their land and given it to a bunch of rich white people. Israel is the problem. I would be pissed too.

    You represent the majority of America; believing the media (which supports Israel, maybe because a lot of media execs/power elite are Jewish? I don't want to get into that, but it's possible [and no I am not anti-Semetic, just anti-Israel]) that these poor Israelis live in fear and this is SOOOOOOOOOOooooooooo unjust. But everyone forgets the other side of the story. These terrorists are not all whackos. They are just tired of being fucking poor.

    So, then one of them gets smart enough to realize that America is the cause of Israel, so maybe they should attack the cause of the problem. So they do. And we take offense.

    Now before you freak out, I am looking at this from a sociological perspective. Sometimes it is necessary to see the truth. The truth: This is all our fucking fault, and we are finally getting punished for our past mistakes we've gotten away with for so long. But America has a hard time admitting it was wrong (ie: the Drug War), so we just cover it up with more bombs.

    Don't go spouting off about military this and that when you don't know the history of the matter, and the economics of the problem. You have every right to your opinion that all Arabs are scum, etc., and we should bomb the hell out of them but understand that we brought this upon ourselves, and while it's no excuse, I hardly think the way to solve this problem is more bombs. Perhaps it is too late, and you are right, more killing is the only solution, killing every last Arab will solve the problem of terrorism, and while we're at it, let's kill some Iraqis and Iranis and, hey, why not, all the Phillipinos too. This will help solve the problem of terrorism. And let's forget the REAL reasons, the TRUTH, because that would mean, shit, CHANGING *OUR* LIVES, AND WE AMERICANS CHANGE FOR *NO ONE* AND *NO THING*. Bah, white trash ethics.

    BTW, I bet in 10-20 years, Israel will invade the persian gulf and we will support them. Just a silly prediction.

    Cheers

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    1. Re:Israel is the problem by PsiPsiStar · · Score: 2

      I know the history of the region. Your facts are pretty thin.

      First of all, the US didn't 'give' anyone anything. Britain partitioned their mid-east terrtories into Israel, Palestine, and other mideast nations (incidentally, an intentionally unstable partioning. Kurds were split between a number of nations when they should have gotten a state of their own). Many jews living in Palestine at the time were murdered or forced from their homes. Most palestinians left Israel voluntarily since arab leaders at the time argued that a palestinian minority would make the complete slaughter of the Israeli population more 'complex'.

      Zionism existed long prior to the existance of Israel. It began around 1919 with Theodore Hertzel, though there were Jews living in Israel for millenia before that, of course. And the people who legaly moved into the holy land under the Brittish empire, got murdered by their neighibors in waves. The Brittish did nothing to defend them, though many settlers had expected protection. Now keep in mind that Jews have lived in the area that is Israel for millenia. Those arabs who claim it as their own have it only because they killed someone else to get it, so don't even pretend that they hold some sort of high ground where 'they' lost 'their' land. They had as much right to it as the Israels, and only slightly more than the Brittish. The standard leftist line of "it's a powerful white guy oppressing a weak colored person" just dosen't fly here. Racially, Jews and Palestinians trace their roots to the same place. Some palestians respond to the accusation that they are anti-semetic with the response that they ARE 'semetic' tracing their roots back to Shem. The only difference is cultural. So don't give me any of that 'racist' bullshit.

      When Israel was created, the settlements there were literally threatened with genocide. They wanted to "push the Jews into the sea". Yes, genocide. Do you think genocide is a good thing?
      Do you think it's not a 'human rights abuse', or do you think it's justified when committed against certain people?
      What was supposed to happen? People just choose to lay back and die? The golan hights and west back are crucial strategically to any nation that could be overrun with tanks in under a few hours. "half of Jerusalem" was and is impossible to defend in a millitary assault.

      Given the circumstances, Israel has maintained an unprecedented amount of civil liberties for the Palestinians who choose to reside there. No other nation has faced the threat of total genocide that Israel has and still allowed as many civil liberties within the country to those who attacked it. You're welcome to try and name one. In contrast, if you're American or Israeli and walking around in the palestine you're likely to get killed. But people seldom judge arab nations with the same moral standard that they judge Israel. How many civilians have to be murdered in the streets of Palestine before it's called a "human rights abuse" by the international community? Aren't Israelis humans? Many "Human Rights" organizations are actually "Palistian Rights" organizations. They never condem atrocities commited by Arabs. Such atrocities, such as Israeli POWs being tortured for years never even make the paper.

      Look at it this way, imagine if some people in the US started finding imigrants from Mexico and killing them. Those imigrants would also have a right to defend themselves, wouldn't they. They would even if they didn't have a millenia-old connection to the land as Israel does. And if the level reached that of a truly millitary assault, they would be justified forming a nation in their defense. No group of people is under moral obligation to endure genocide.

      And yes, Israelis make more money than Palestinains. So that justifies murder? I don't follow. Israel has a thriving tech sector. Their biotech division is top knotch. All the other countries in the reason rip off Israeli biotech advances and Israel does nothing. So be it. Palestianians think it's Israel's duty to provide them with jobs. You cannot simultaneously attack a nation and expect it to provide you with economic assistance. This is the most twisted logic I've ever heard of.

      Hatred of Israel is a political tool used by mideast states.
      Consider how Saddam responded to the US defense of Kuwait. By attacking Israel? The existane of Israel is what has allowed many mid-eastern dictators to keep their power. It has done the same thing for their popularity that the attack on the world trade center did for George Bush's. A common enemy unites a nation and these men know it.

      >Maybe they hate us because the average Israeli >makes $20k+/year whereas the average Gaza Arab >has an annual income of more like $600!
      >Add to this a lot of oil money from other Arabs, >and you have a problem.

      No, you have a solution. But of course, Israel is responsible for taking care of Palestinains and not their arab allies. A few Arab nations recently pledged over 100 million in economic aid to Palestine. It's about time they did more than simply send explosives, which don't help Palestinian civilians one bit.

      I don't know where you get the whole 'media bias' riff.
      I've heard the media cover both sides of the mideast conflict. That 'the media supports Israel' is a pretty difficult claim to make. The Chicago tribune certainly dosen't seem to.

      >These terrorists are not all whackos. They are >just tired of being fucking poor.

      Of course. But noone ever got rich strapping bombs to their chest and running into a market square. Yes, Palestinians are in a terrible position. They bear the brunt of Israeli retaliation when the Mid-East power structure decides that killing Israelis is a good idea. But what's the solution?

      Keep in mind, peace is what would be best for Palestians, economically. Israel wants peace. But during the beginning of the peace process, when folks thought Arafat might be serious, his supporters threatened to abandon him. He was getting locked out of conferences. Now he just wants to attack Israel as a negotiating tactic, but is surprised when they counter attack.

      >So, then one of them gets smart enough to >realize that America is the cause of Israel.

      Israel managed to defend itself even before America was an ally. America has helped Israel immensely, but it's worth noting that Israel endured even when America was not helping it.

      >Now before you freak out, I am looking at this >from a sociological perspective.

      Yes, but a sociological perspective that is rather selective about the facts it chooses to support it.

      I don't think that 'all Arabs are scum' as you suggest. I do believe that a nation's first priority is to defend its citizens from attack. Israel cannot make peace before the arab nations decide that they want to make a peace that allows Israel's continued existance. And any treaty that stipulates a 'palestinian right of return' as all have does not allow that. Israelis are a minority in the middle east, and Israel, a democracy, would be flooded and would fall victim to terrorists who still believe that all Israelis should die. No nation is required to allow itself to be destroyed. I also don't support genocide of all arabs, as your post implied. Israel retaliates on an incident by incident basis, and this is the right course. When the arab states decide that violence is not the answer, the violence will end. But as it now stands, there are still many arabs who want the complete destruction if Israel. As long as Arafat is unwilling to restrain them (and he'll have a hard time doing this and keeping his position), there cannot be peace.

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  154. GET A JOB by inKubus · · Score: 1

    Have you applied for every job you can find, or just ones that seem "interesting" to you? Shit, we are in a recession, you aren't going to work your "dream job". Sorry folks, sometimes you don't always get what you pay for. Life is a gamble.

    You could be doing shit work for a "demeaning" $12/hour instead of watching TV and complaining. It's better than nothing and it's what 90% of America does.

    Cry me a fucking river.

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  155. Heh by inKubus · · Score: 1

    The reason shitty tech firms NEED H1-B's is that all the good AMERCIAN CS/Eng are already working in posh, government contractor jobs with good wages, congjugual visits, and good pensions.

    And now that Bush is increasing military spending thru 2040, it's a better place than ever to be. Too bad you'll never get the chance.

    In fact, one might call the Personal Computer tech boom of the 90's a result of Bush I and Clinton's military downsizing: Lots of smart AMERICAN CS/Eng get laid off from government contractors, need jobs. As they are among the smartest and most resourceful in the world, they create a new industry based on "personal computers" and the internet, milk it for all it's worth, become management and then hire a bunch of cheap foreign help. Then Bush II starts a war just in time for the bumper crop of green AMERICAN CS/eng grads who got into the biz to capitalize on the Internet boom. Too late, but there's jobs. Go talk to Lockheed or Boeing.

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  156. "How we lost the high tech war of 2007" by gfecyk · · Score: 1

    Agreeing with many posters here on the 'importance' of tech in the 'war on terrorism', here are a couple of mirrors of a story that first appeared in The Weekly Standard.

    maxwell.af.mil
    Geocities
    a canned Google search

    And while we're at it, have a look at Osama bin Virus.

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  157. Technology not the answer, but part of it by 1ione1 · · Score: 1
    The only way you'll stop it happening again -- IMHO -- is to stop funding Israel and get the fsck out of the economies and political systems of supposedly "independent" states that don't want you there (the people, that is, not the rulers), and to stop backing dictatorships like Saudi Arabia just because they're "on your side". In Ireland they used to say: "You cannot have a military solution to a political problem." Guess what? They were right.

    Since when is a problem just political? If the Jews in Israel didn't have technology and military capabilities, they'd have been massacred decades ago. In a part of the world where Muslims want to govern themselves under Sharia, it is nothing other than pure racism and xenophobia that speaks of throwing the Jews into the sea instead of letting them govern themselves, on land they have held most sacred for millenia, according to their own democratic and free society.

    Without the proper military response to savagery, a lot more innocents will die. Israel appears to recognize more than its neighbors do that land, property, and undignified treatment can be returned or compensated for, but no person can atone for an innocent life that has been taken willfully. And technology is key, whether in avoiding collateral damage, foiling planned attacks, rescuing victims of bombs and earthquakes, or documenting human rights abuses.

    In post-WWII Europe, the US and Israel, technology has been used to save lives, and when it has been used militarily, it has been with restraint. It baffles me that to some, Iraq's use of weapons of mass destruction against its own population and invasion of sovereign nations is less relevant today than Israel's targeting combatants who have been slaughtering Jewish civilians for generations, long before the West Bank and Gaza came under Israeli control

    Even if I think some of what Israel does is misguided, I can't help but be amazed at how restrained it is being in the face of such existential threats. Here is an Arab population that has never stopped feeding its generations on the same racist propaganda as the Nazis who wiped out over a third of the Jews in the world. And with all their military and technological advantages Jews still have peace demonstrations and political debates rather than bombing them into oblivion? There is hope yet for the human race!

    One critical thing missing from any technology is the wisdom to use it.

  158. Fast change is inefficient. by gvonk · · Score: 1

    Fast change is inefficient.

    and unsustainable.

    and unrealistic.

    etc...

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  159. Re: Alternative energy for world peace by Medievalist · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, I wasn't kidding.

    The Prius gets more mpg per unit payload, because the Insight is a sporty little two-seater and the Prius is a five-seater family sedan.

    Fuel cells are a great idea to power the home, and I intend to install one eventually, but they are (using current technology) impractical for my driving needs. Membrane contamination is the major issue, and a lack of infrastructure to deal with failures on the road. Toyota has addressed repair problems nicely with a combination of highly reliable systems, broad distribution of repair facilities, and use of standard parts for the non-hybrid portions of the vehicle.

    I saw an Insight the other day with a bumper sticker reading "Driving a Gas Guzzler is Unpatriotic".
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  160. Materials by Fuzzums · · Score: 1

    firearms. Hmm. That is a truely important invention, but to stay with the toppic:

    - light weight materials (aluminium)
    - all kinds of glues

    These things were invented for lighter airplanes but found theur way in buildings (Jean Prouve, a frensh architect) and the car industrie.

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