Frankly, I'm having one bad experience with Linux after another since 2.6 came out. I think that, just like everything else, a software project hits it's zenith and then "jumps the shark" as it were. I'll keep trying but it's my opinion that Linux made that leap.
Mind you, as the recent problems with the 5.x FreeBSD series shows, this isn't just a linux problem. So, in my mind, the more choices we have available to us, the better off we are when the OS we use is reduced to chum in the water.
Unless there's something linux specific (eg the kqemu modules for qemu) I tend to stay away from Linux in favor of NetBSD. The reason for that is because on my el-cheapo HP Pavilion I can never get the linux 2.6 kernel to boot properly. I either have weird crashes that I can't tell what they relate to, or I have to boot with the usb=off (!) parameter or it will just not boot; period.
If I use Linux, I use Debian only because it still ships with the 2.4 kernel which I can get to work (but still requires that I turn acpi off).
Up until 5.4 I had problems with FreeBSD as well, mostly weird mysterious crashes. NetBSD, though, works great (finds my sound, etc, works well with nvidia though there's no accelleration, of course).
If I'm not using XP then NetBSD and xfce tends to be what I use for my desktop.
I looked over the article and saw that linus is stuck running around with a bunch of suits from IBM and a crowd of mini-ESRs from some obscure OSS club. Poor linus, I bet it's during mind-numbing parties like those that he wishes he'd have heard of 386BSD back when he was considering hitting 'send' on that fateful usenet post!
No; real programmers move the bits around telekinetically. Of course, if you're one of those windows-using dandies I suppose you can always use "copy con"....
Until Linux gets an IDE at least 75% as good as MSDev, You haven't tried kdevelop or anjuta then, I assume? Not being familiar with VS (too poor, lol) I am not sure how they stack up feature wise, but I bet that both meet your "75%" criteria.
top-notch large scale applications for Linux will remain few and far between. You mean like Open Office, Mozilla or Blender3d? We have the apps; it's the mindshare we're lacking (if we're lacking anything, which I doubt now that we have corporate sponsorship from novell and ibm).
Is there some nefarious entity flooding the P2P networks with garbage disguised as those files above? Why would you need to know the quality of the file's reputation?
Spoken like someone who's never downloaded UsingTheGNUSystem.pdf only to find that it's nothing but a picture of the Goatse Man!
>ONLY ON MACS THOSE PEOPLE are used to being gouged, nagged and conned
No, the windows culture is similar to the the mac crowd in that respect. It's interesting to spend a year or so in the linux world and then go back to using windows and find that every and any little "free" widget you come across is either adware or shareware; whereas even the major stuff in Linux is totally, 100% gratis.
It's a definate culture shock; and frankly it makes me appreciate our *nix culture that much more.
For how much? I've been looking around their site and all I can figure out is that I need a subscription to download their product; I see nothing about how much a subscription costs.
Exactly my point; the core part of the OS isn't BSD, it's mach. Various userland toys aren't relevent given the fact that the kernel is vastly different from every other BSD out there (right down to being a microkernel as opposed a monolithic one).
And, unless you buy the GNU/Linux argument, calling this MACH-based OS "BSD" doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Particularly since a good deal of what's used to build Darwin is not BSD, but GNU (gcc, etc).
Oh, and this is my preferred site for obtaining Darwin, kthxby.
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For real, yo. NetBSD works far better and smoother than anything in the FreeBSD 5.x series. Of course, for those scared of the command line there's always mac, windows and linux; but if you're going to run a unix, why settle for FreeBSD when you can have something far better?
No. What truly sucks is that we do not have the means to fix it; and even if fixing it were possible, the public doesn't have the will to make it happen.
What the hell? This is what, three tabloid stories in one week? It's pretty apparent that the quality here at slashdot has gone downhill, but it can always get worse! Here's a glimpse into a possible future after cmdr taco realises that he gets more 'views' from the weekly world news crowd than he does from the ars technia crowd:
Windows XP; the terrorist OS? Posted by in The Mysterious Future! This article printed in reliable web log recently uncovered the shocking truth about 9/11. The tickets bought by the terrorists were purchased online using The Devil's Own Windows XP. Could it be time for Homeland Security to start looking into the shenanigans going on in Redmond?
ESR's Gay Lover Speaks! Posted by in The Mysterious Future! The computing world was rocked today when obscure web journo John Cats announced to the world that he was the former sex slave of ESR. "I can't keep this to myself any longer." the tearful author of canine americana wrote "It was one degrading act after another, finally I had to leave after ESR made me Take The Knot while he swilled jagermiester and masturbated to pictures of young afghanistan boys"
Bigfoot Shaves it off! Posted by in The Mysterious Future! Shoppers at a rural S-Mart were shocked today when Bigfoot (previously covered in this slashdot article) walked in an bought $300 worth of cologne and hair cutting supplies. "I've had enough of the 'natural' look" He was quoted as saying "I'm tired of people confusing me with Richard M Stallman, no one takes me seriously anymore". Stallman responded by saying that the proper term was 'GNU/Bigfoot"i
Batboy to take over OpenBSD Project Posted by in The Mysterious Future! The BSD world, still reeling from the sudden disapperance of OpenBSD cult leader Theo DeRat sighed a collective sigh of relief today as Batboy made the following press statement "Today, I'd like to announce my intention to take over the day to day management of the OpenBSD project, which I will run from my secret underground cave in albania". While reaction was mixed, the general consensus is that Batboy will provide a much saner and cooler leadership style to the beleagured project.
But I can use the Yahoo Toolbar on any platform that firefox runs on (any *BSD, solaris, etc). Because they had the smarts to write it in XUL (?) or what ever the native mozilla toolkit/extention language is.
Is this the same NetBSD that recently had to beg for donations on the front page of its' websight? Nothing wrong with NetBSD (I'm using it for this post) or with soliciting donations; but the fact they have to beg for them highlights the flaw in your theory there.
Also, looking at the numbers ((debian,kde,gnome,linux,gcc, etc) > (freebsd,netbsd,openbsd)) it's pretty clear that the big stick is more effective.
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Frankly, I'm having one bad experience with Linux after another since 2.6 came out. I think that, just like everything else, a software project hits it's zenith and then "jumps the shark" as it were. I'll keep trying but it's my opinion that Linux made that leap.
Mind you, as the recent problems with the 5.x FreeBSD series shows, this isn't just a linux problem. So, in my mind, the more choices we have available to us, the better off we are when the OS we use is reduced to chum in the water.
On a low memory system I wouldn't touch either one. I only have 256 megs of ram so I stick to lighter enviroments (right now I'm using xfce4).
Mind you, that's just me, and all of the desktops have varying merits and someone should try all of them before settling on one.
Unless there's something linux specific (eg the kqemu modules for qemu) I tend to stay away from Linux in favor of NetBSD. The reason for that is because on my el-cheapo HP Pavilion I can never get the linux 2.6 kernel to boot properly. I either have weird crashes that I can't tell what they relate to, or I have to boot with the usb=off (!) parameter or it will just not boot; period.
If I use Linux, I use Debian only because it still ships with the 2.4 kernel which I can get to work (but still requires that I turn acpi off).
Up until 5.4 I had problems with FreeBSD as well, mostly weird mysterious crashes. NetBSD, though, works great (finds my sound, etc, works well with nvidia though there's no accelleration, of course).
If I'm not using XP then NetBSD and xfce tends to be what I use for my desktop.
How does OpenSUSE compare to OpenBSD or OpenSolaris which I can also afford to download?
I looked over the article and saw that linus is stuck running around with a bunch of suits from IBM and a crowd of mini-ESRs from some obscure OSS club. Poor linus, I bet it's during mind-numbing parties like those that he wishes he'd have heard of 386BSD back when he was considering hitting 'send' on that fateful usenet post!
No; real programmers move the bits around telekinetically. Of course, if you're one of those windows-using dandies I suppose you can always use "copy con" ....
Until Linux gets an IDE at least 75% as good as MSDev,
You haven't tried kdevelop or anjuta then, I assume? Not being familiar with VS (too poor, lol) I am not sure how they stack up feature wise, but I bet that both meet your "75%" criteria.
top-notch large scale applications for Linux will remain few and far between.
You mean like Open Office, Mozilla or Blender3d? We have the apps; it's the mindshare we're lacking (if we're lacking anything, which I doubt now that we have corporate sponsorship from novell and ibm).
Is there some nefarious entity flooding the P2P networks with garbage disguised as those files above? Why would you need to know the quality of the file's reputation?
Spoken like someone who's never downloaded UsingTheGNUSystem.pdf only to find that it's nothing but a picture of the Goatse Man!
>ONLY ON MACS THOSE PEOPLE are used to being gouged, nagged and conned
No, the windows culture is similar to the the mac crowd in that respect. It's interesting to spend a year or so in the linux world and then go back to using windows and find that every and any little "free" widget you come across is either adware or shareware; whereas even the major stuff in Linux is totally, 100% gratis.
It's a definate culture shock; and frankly it makes me appreciate our *nix culture that much more.
For how much? I've been looking around their site and all I can figure out is that I need a subscription to download their product; I see nothing about how much a subscription costs.
Too good to be true, in fact. For that reason alone I don't see this happening.
I haven't been able to find any when I've looked before; would you mind giving me the names/urls of a few?
>OS-X has indeed got a mach kernel,
Exactly my point; the core part of the OS isn't BSD, it's mach. Various userland toys aren't relevent given the fact that the kernel is vastly different from every other BSD out there (right down to being a microkernel as opposed a monolithic one).
And, unless you buy the GNU/Linux argument, calling this MACH-based OS "BSD" doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Particularly since a good deal of what's used to build Darwin is not BSD, but GNU (gcc, etc).
Oh, and this is my preferred site for obtaining Darwin, kthxby.
Only one problem; OS X isn't BSD, it's Mach.
For real, yo. NetBSD works far better and smoother than anything in the FreeBSD 5.x series. Of course, for those scared of the command line there's always mac, windows and linux; but if you're going to run a unix, why settle for FreeBSD when you can have something far better?
IIRC, this was posted just yesterday (not gonna check, though).
No. What truly sucks is that we do not have the means to fix it; and even if fixing it were possible, the public doesn't have the will to make it happen.
THAT is what sucks.
I wrote that while this was in 'the mysterious future'.
What the hell? This is what, three tabloid stories in one week? It's pretty apparent that the quality here at slashdot has gone downhill, but it can always get worse! Here's a glimpse into a possible future after cmdr taco realises that he gets more 'views' from the weekly world news crowd than he does from the ars technia crowd:
Windows XP; the terrorist OS? Posted by in The Mysterious Future!
This article printed in reliable web log recently uncovered the shocking
truth about 9/11. The tickets bought by the terrorists were purchased online using The Devil's Own Windows XP. Could it be time for Homeland Security to start looking into the shenanigans going on in Redmond?
ESR's Gay Lover Speaks! Posted by in The Mysterious Future!
The computing world was rocked today when obscure web journo John Cats announced to the world that he was the former sex slave of ESR. "I can't keep this to myself any longer." the tearful author of canine americana wrote "It was one degrading act after another, finally I had to leave after ESR made me Take The Knot while he swilled jagermiester and masturbated to pictures of young afghanistan boys"
Bigfoot Shaves it off! Posted by in The Mysterious Future!
Shoppers at a rural S-Mart were shocked today when Bigfoot (previously covered in this slashdot article) walked in an bought $300 worth of cologne and hair cutting supplies. "I've had enough of the 'natural' look" He was quoted as saying "I'm tired of people confusing me with Richard M Stallman, no one takes me seriously anymore". Stallman responded by saying that the proper term was 'GNU/Bigfoot"i
Batboy to take over OpenBSD Project Posted by in The Mysterious Future!
The BSD world, still reeling from the sudden disapperance of OpenBSD cult leader Theo DeRat sighed a collective sigh of relief today as Batboy made the following press statement "Today, I'd like to announce my intention to take over the day to day management of the OpenBSD project, which I will run from my secret underground cave in albania". While reaction was mixed, the general consensus is that Batboy will provide a much saner and cooler leadership style to the beleagured project.
If you don't know, say so; don't blame me for it.
Where do you set this at, and on what OS?
But I can use the Yahoo Toolbar on any platform that firefox runs on (any *BSD, solaris, etc). Because they had the smarts to write it in XUL (?) or what ever the native mozilla toolkit/extention language is.
God knows there's a ton of free (and probably poorly maintained) php boards out there.
That is the point I was confused on; I thought that clause was part of v2.
That probably narrows the options somewhat, but again; it should only be a major problem when it comes to using GCC.
Is this the same NetBSD that recently had to beg for donations on the front page of its' websight? Nothing wrong with NetBSD (I'm using it for this post) or with soliciting donations; but the fact they have to beg for them highlights the flaw in your theory there.
Also, looking at the numbers ((debian,kde,gnome,linux,gcc, etc) > (freebsd,netbsd,openbsd)) it's pretty clear that the big stick is more effective.