The people who do know about DRM or any new formats have sworn to never use them. This brings up a good point; how do you explain to someone who is NOT a geek (and has no interest in being one) about what DRM is and how it will effect them?
Likewise. Im using a 450mhz P3 to run vmware, poser on occasion and other than that, surf the web and play music using KDE and/or Gnome. But because of the constant upgrade crowd, there are deals like this available.
One of those will keep me busy for the next few years; which will be sweet for $136!
With all due respect, youre discussing oranges in a conversation about apples. Unless Im missing something (Im only on my first cup of coffee;)) everything you are citing is military and or foreign policy oriented; whereas the question is a matter of civil liberties.
This is not to say that the two are unrelated (eg, the fact that the patriot act springs from the threat of al queada-sp?-) but what is being said is this:
The two parties are identical with regards to the issue of civil rights. and, all the available evidence points to the fact that, yes, both parties are equally happy to strip out your constitutional rights and send you packing to camp x-ray.
I know Im going to get modded down for this; but Ive lived in Wa, Tx, Ak and Az; and out of all of them, its (ironically) been in Az where Ive seen lightening the most intensely (longer duration, and more clearly visible) and also the most closely (within blocks of where I live).
There is no 'vampiric subculture'; there's only a bunch of tools who need to drop their WoTC cards and get out of their parent's basement during the day more often.
Thank you! That is exactly the truth. And with the way that MS is setting up patents on its' file formats and methods, it will soon become a "windows and nothing but windows" world.
It's just time to get the fuck out of computing, period. The fight is over, and OSS has been pummeled.
but pre patents, dmca and the complete entrenchment of MS.
Your analogy doesn't fit because you're talking about a time when the marketplace supported the concept of alternatives; but these days, they only want one solution: and that solution is microsoft.
...who really cares? They've filed for beauceaup patents on their future file formats and methods, so once the next version of MS-Office is deployed, your OO.o and other clones will be legally broken.
Cinelerra is going to work out of the box with your average camcorder, will it? and it comes with easy-to-use special effects and a variety of backgrounds and decorations to add to your own films, does it?
If it's something that does not work seamlessly out-of-the-box; allowing your average mom and dad to make neat little movies from the footage they shot at the grand canyon WITHOUT having to chase down a plethora of README, INSTALL or dot-files --then windows XP is still the solution which is appropriate for them, their interest level and their needs. The criteria for choosing a platform and OS is wether it meets your needs or not ; not some juvenile irc-style 0MFG 1|nu}{ |$ t3h r0x0r 0mfg j00 g@y f@gg0+ 1@m3rZZZ criteria.
Mom and dad ain't interested in what is 't3h r0}{0r Omfg' --- they simply want to make neat movies with their camcorder and the computer that they ordered from Dell. Windows XP allows them to do that with no configuring, no muss, no fuss -- so that is what they will use -- and what they should use.
b) Not really. No one I work with seems to complain when I save something in.doc format from OO.o
There's a difference, my short-bus riding pal, between saving a new document as a word document in Open Office, and opening an existing document (of any level of complexity), having Open Office munge it up, and then saving it back to Microsoft Word format. I'm sure you are very happy doing the former, but I would not hand over the results of doing the latter to _my boss_...then again, if you would, well --it's your job, not mine.
Take your FUD elsewhere, twit.
Ah yes...that famous Linux Advocate maturity level rears its' ugly head.
That shit might fly in comp.os.linux.advocacy (or whatever), but not in my office -- and not in the marketplace of ideas, either.
Because a)because they do video editing, which is not possible under linux b)because their work foists Office XP documents off onto them, which are uneditable under Linux. Yes, you can open them with OO --sometimes-- but OO mucks up the files when it saves them. The result is not something you want to hand over to your boss.
In short, these people have real needs, and real considerations and Linux --as decent as it is-- does not cover all things for all people.
I get the strangest looks when I tell some people to type "eff tee pee colon slash slash" sometimes...
Me too. That's exactly why I mostly don't talk tech with anyone in meat-space. Well, that and the oh noes my comptuar is teh borken plz fx thnx syndrome.
and if you do; has anyone tried to make any efforts towards getting GNU/Linux, or even some Open Source Software applications (such as abiword) to be used?
Have you ever tried opening files saved as.doc under OO using MS office? I have, and it's ok for simple documents, but not for files I actually have to present to my boss.
I may be able to answer a couple of your questions. From a totally different perspective, of course.
What fun is it being a troll? Great fun. It's rewarding to see a post that you've left blatant clues that you're trolling get both moderated up, and get a lot of flames from people who obviously couldn't be bothered to grab the clues. the more obvious they are, the better.
Other times, it's simply cathartic to tell a bunch of tight assed, unbearably obnoxious dorks to FOAD. I'm going to be here anyways (since I like the articals), I might as well make it bearable for myself.
But what's interesting enough to you about trolling that you make a concerted effort to do so, enough that you know how to game the system? Well, at 'good' karma here, so I -myself- don't really know how to game the system effectively. But I imagine it's like anything else: it's a challenge, and the challenge is an end in and of itself (meaning that for some, the trolling becomes secondary to 'beating the game').
What have you learned from it? Catharsis is an end in and of itself. What's the payoff? the pay off is the satifaction you get from either watching a bunch of dorks bite on your flame-bait, or from the rare and occasional comment you get from someone who is amused by your antics (generally, I'm trying to amuse myself -first and foremost, but it's always nice to be appreciated).
talornin, on Wednesday April 28 2004 said the following:
It has been pointed out over and over again that if you dont want to compile your pacakages from source, then Gentoo is not for you. There is no need to bash Gentoo and call it an unserious distribution just because it doesnt suit your taste.
If I were to bash gentoo at all, it would not be for not suiting my tastes, but -frankly- for not following up on its' own stated promises (despite having the infrastructure in place to do so).
Please read the following directly taken from gentoo's own social contract page:
To summarize the heart of Gentoo, imagine a user sitting in front of a Linux system. What does he or she want do to? The Gentoo philosophy is to allow this user to do what he or she wants to do, without getting in the way.
At around the time Gentoo was born, the thing that got in the way was the lack of an easy way to build packages from source, to a user's specifications. Currently, we've done that very well, but what we haven't done very well is support pre-built packages, even though Portage has supported building binary packages almost since its inception. So we are doing that now.
It's important that our tools support binary packages, because binary packages are widely used and widely in demand in the Linux community. If our tools don't support binary packages, then we can't claim that our tools are designed to allow a user to do anything he or she might want to do. If we purposely choose to exclude binary support, then we are attempting to interfere with how users might choose to approach particular problems, by instead imposing our own will or view of how they should approach a problem. And if we do not build binary packages, then we are not taking any steps to ensure that our tools actually work well with binary packages, nor are we taking steps to ensure that others can build binary packages, nor are we able to *demonstrate* that our tools work well with binary packages. Besides these philosophical reasons, there are many practical reasons to create binary packages.
I only tried gentoo briefly before going back to NetBSD and Debian with a bad taste in my mouth. I know that they had a plan to "eventually" offer binary packages of the various programs (presumably a mirror of their cds or something) for downloading online (similar to apt-get or pkg_add $URL)...
So my question is: did they ever get around to implementing that, or do I need to stick to more serious distributions and operating systems in order to have that functionality?
I hate to propose something so drastic; but it's pretty clear that the kernel module loader need to operate the same way that good firewalls work: allow nothing except for that which is explicitly permitted.
Meaning, the kernel devs should focus on writing up a white list; not a black list.
Otherwise we wouldn't have the DMCA, the patriot act, guantanamo bay, or the federal government harassing medical marijuana operations in states that have officially legalised medical marijuana.
Lady liberty's been taking it up the ass since the arms for hostages scandal, and there ain't jack shit can be done about it. period.
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The people who do know about DRM or any new formats have sworn to never use them.
This brings up a good point; how do you explain to someone who is NOT a geek (and has no interest in being one) about what DRM is and how it will effect them?
Likewise. Im using a 450mhz P3 to run vmware, poser on occasion and other than that, surf the web and play music using KDE and/or Gnome. But because of the constant upgrade crowd, there are deals like this available.
One of those will keep me busy for the next few years; which will be sweet for $136!
With all due respect, youre discussing oranges in a conversation about apples. Unless Im missing something (Im only on my first cup of coffee ;)) everything you are citing is military and or foreign policy oriented; whereas the question is a matter of civil liberties.
This is not to say that the two are unrelated (eg, the fact that the patriot act springs from the threat of al queada-sp?-) but what is being said is this:
The two parties are identical with regards to the issue of civil rights. and, all the available evidence points to the fact that, yes, both parties are equally happy to strip out your constitutional rights and send you packing to camp x-ray.
I know Im going to get modded down for this; but Ive lived in Wa, Tx, Ak and Az; and out of all of them, its (ironically) been in Az where Ive seen lightening the most intensely (longer duration, and more clearly visible) and also the most closely (within blocks of where I live).
Absolutely breathtaking.
...and get ready for PLENTY of them, too.
Does anyone know if this even works with watcom c or am I going to have to pay money and get visual studio (which I can't afford) in order to use it?
Since you can't use SP2, why not try a different SP?
There is no 'vampiric subculture'; there's only a bunch of tools who need to drop their WoTC cards and get out of their parent's basement during the day more often.
...until pf is ported to run on XP?
Thank you! That is exactly the truth. And with the way that MS is setting up patents on its' file formats and methods, it will soon become a "windows and nothing but windows" world.
It's just time to get the fuck out of computing, period. The fight is over, and OSS has been pummeled.
but pre patents, dmca and the complete entrenchment of MS.
Your analogy doesn't fit because you're talking about a time when the marketplace supported the concept of alternatives; but these days, they only want one solution: and that solution is microsoft.
...who really cares? They've filed for beauceaup patents on their future file formats and methods, so once the next version of MS-Office is deployed, your OO.o and other clones will be legally broken.
So, again, I ask: who fucking cares?
Cinelerra is going to work out of the box with your average camcorder, will it? and it comes with easy-to-use special effects and a variety of backgrounds and decorations to add to your own films, does it?
If it's something that does not work seamlessly out-of-the-box; allowing your average mom and dad to make neat little movies from the footage they shot at the grand canyon WITHOUT having to chase down a plethora of README, INSTALL or dot-files --then windows XP is still the solution which is appropriate for them, their interest level and their needs.
The criteria for choosing a platform and OS is wether it meets your needs or not ; not some juvenile irc-style 0MFG 1|nu}{ |$ t3h r0x0r 0mfg j00 g@y f@gg0+ 1@m3rZZZ criteria.
Mom and dad ain't interested in what is 't3h r0}{0r Omfg' --- they simply want to make neat movies with their camcorder and the computer that they ordered from Dell. Windows XP allows them to do that with no configuring, no muss, no fuss -- so that is what they will use -- and what they should use.
There's a difference, my short-bus riding pal, between saving a new document as a word document in Open Office, and opening an existing document (of any level of complexity), having Open Office munge it up, and then saving it back to Microsoft Word format. I'm sure you are very happy doing the former, but I would not hand over the results of doing the latter to _my boss_
Ah yes...that famous Linux Advocate maturity level rears its' ugly head.
That shit might fly in comp.os.linux.advocacy (or whatever), but not in my office -- and not in the marketplace of ideas, either.
Because a)because they do video editing, which is not possible under linux b)because their work foists Office XP documents off onto them, which are uneditable under Linux. Yes, you can open them with OO --sometimes-- but OO mucks up the files when it saves them. The result is not something you want to hand over to your boss.
In short, these people have real needs, and real considerations and Linux --as decent as it is-- does not cover all things for all people.
Maggots Jack Up The Total Cost Of BSD
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it's funny, laugh
Me too. That's exactly why I mostly don't talk tech with anyone in meat-space. Well, that and the oh noes my comptuar is teh borken plz fx thnx syndrome.
and if you do; has anyone tried to make any efforts towards getting GNU/Linux, or even some Open Source Software applications (such as abiword) to be used?
On dial-up? sure. But on cable I can have it in approximately four hours; so what the fuck.
Have you ever tried opening files saved as .doc under OO using MS office? I have, and it's ok for simple documents, but not for files I actually have to present to my boss.
I may be able to answer a couple of your questions. From a totally different perspective, of course.
What fun is it being a troll?
Great fun. It's rewarding to see a post that you've left blatant clues that you're trolling get both moderated up, and get a lot of flames from people who obviously couldn't be bothered to grab the clues. the more obvious they are, the better.
Other times, it's simply cathartic to tell a bunch of tight assed, unbearably obnoxious dorks to FOAD. I'm going to be here anyways (since I like the articals), I might as well make it bearable for myself.
But what's interesting enough to you about trolling that you make a concerted effort to do so, enough that you know how to game the system?
Well, at 'good' karma here, so I -myself- don't really know how to game the system effectively. But I imagine it's like anything else: it's a challenge, and the challenge is an end in and of itself (meaning that for some, the trolling becomes secondary to 'beating the game').
What have you learned from it?
Catharsis is an end in and of itself.
What's the payoff?
the pay off is the satifaction you get from either watching a bunch of dorks bite on your flame-bait, or from the rare and occasional comment you get from someone who is amused by your antics (generally, I'm trying to amuse myself -first and foremost, but it's always nice to be appreciated).
If I were to bash gentoo at all, it would not be for not suiting my tastes, but -frankly- for not following up on its' own stated promises (despite having the infrastructure in place to do so).
Please read the following directly taken from gentoo's own social contract page:
I only tried gentoo briefly before going back to NetBSD and Debian with a bad taste in my mouth. I know that they had a plan to "eventually" offer binary packages of the various programs (presumably a mirror of their cds or something) for downloading online (similar to apt-get or pkg_add $URL)...
So my question is: did they ever get around to implementing that, or do I need to stick to more serious distributions and operating systems in order to have that functionality?
I hate to propose something so drastic; but it's pretty clear that the kernel module loader need to operate the same way that good firewalls work: allow nothing except for that which is explicitly permitted.
Meaning, the kernel devs should focus on writing up a white list; not a black list.
tahnks for the .sig! ^_^
Otherwise we wouldn't have the DMCA, the patriot act, guantanamo bay, or the federal government harassing medical marijuana operations in states that have officially legalised medical marijuana.
Lady liberty's been taking it up the ass since the arms for hostages scandal, and there ain't jack shit can be done about it. period.