Please explain to me how I can run NT/2000 with none of the GDI/GUI stuff. Lets say I have an computer with minimal resources and don't want to waste any overhead with any GUI stuff (since in the case of a server it's pretty much a complete waste). How can I run NT (his modular-well-designed OS) without the gui ?
Amen to that my brother. In my quest to learn GTK programming I have spent some time hacking through some of the apps that ship with gnome and I have to say that they SHOULD LEARN TO PUT SOME FUCKING COMMENTS in their code.
Writing good code is more than coming up with clever little hacks or the tightest algorithm. Writing clean, well commented code with descriptive variables goes a long way in my book. Some code I looked at was just fucking awfull..no comments at all and variable names with no meaning at all. Yeah it's a pain in the ass to write comments, but it's more of a pain in the ass to slog through uncommented spaghetti code.
So don't get all high and mighty until your house is in order.
You have have a valid point. Much of the stuff I use in my day to day routine works well and I don't think about it...stuff like Emacs, egcs, the 2.2xx kernel, nethack, etc... And I also agree with you when you say that we tend to focus on what doesn't work and not all of the great stuff that does.
Maybe we are dealing more with how we define the word beta. I don't think that most beta software is bad.. in fact some beta software is better then the release software we see in some stores. So I'm not really saying that in a bad way.
For example, I use KDE 1.1 and it works very well for me, but I still think it's more beta quality than release quality. I have core dumps on a regular basis (kaudioserver is a repeat offender), I can blow kfm up in a matter of minutes by attempting to move a large number of files via drag and drop. I can bring my entire X session to it's knees and have to ctrl-alt-+ to kill it just by trying to attach a file in kmail...the list goes on and on. Release quality software should be better.
Are these showstoppers for me? No.. I have learned what makes it blow up (in most cases) and I don't do it. This is not a major problem for me but it's not why I use Linux. This is more a "Microsoft taught" way to use software. You learn what to avoid and the software becomes "better." I don't expect any software to be perfect, but I really would like to see the Linux community shoot for better than just stable.
I realize there is a newer release of KDE which may or may not fix some of these problems, but that too seems like the ol MS way of releasing broken stuff then putting out patch after patch. Most of the time I dont' have the time or energy to upgrade every package and the libs and the dev stuf...etc...it's a pain. I want to get a realease version that works and use it until something new comes out with features I need. However when I try something that is clearly marked as beta software, then I would expect little problems and I would expect to have to upgrade when the fixes are released. That is the nature of beta software VS release software.
Sheesh... I'm rambling on and on here...don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining or bitchin, I'm merely voicing a little frustration.
Mozilla is not even at the alpha stage yet. I would expect it to crash and burn.
I too get frustrated with some of the software developed for Linux... most of it is barely beta quality. It seems that the Linux community is too caught up in "competing with Microsoft" instead of placing the focus on good software. But I still think the future looks bright and I love the fact that if you don't like something you can try something else or fix it yourself. These are options you don't have with the Microsoft paradigm.
I think you are missing the point. If you have a look at the stock performance of Corel and Inprise you will see that all does not seem to be well. The tech sector is booming and Corel and Inprise are both losing big percentages on a daily basis. Inprise @ 8.5 off from a high of 20 a few months ago; Corel @ 13.25 down from 44 in December. Meanwhile the Nasdaq has gone up about 25%.....hmmm that looks like a bad sign to me.
Check out the Yahoo Inprise Msg Board for some indication of how some investors feel. This has nothing to do with Corels entry into the Linux market or FUD as you propose, it has everything to do with a proposed merger that might not be in the best interest of Inprise.
Amen to that my brother. I have to wonder about the claims of saving up to 80 - 90 percent of the space on the server.... uh...that can't be possible can it? They don't talk about the size of the database that contains the *file signatures* OR they don't talk about what happens when your box crashes and that databse becomes corrupt... sheesh...
The real killer for me is how near the bottom of the article they *hint* thay they are the ones who developed IpV6... AND...GOOD NEWS FOLKS... you can download it for free from our website.. yeah...like the *nix community hasn't had IpV6 support for some time now.
****On the otherhand I have also used both Staroffice and Wordperfect 8 under linux (neither extensively). These also seem to work fine for writing documents for printing elsewhere (never did get my printer properly configured).****
Amen to that my brother. *Configuring my printer* has been on my action item list for the past month but it seems like such a pain in the arse. I downloaded the CUPs demo and aspfilter but I don't know which way to go and I feel like I'm just flailing around. This has to get easier.
That has to be my biggest beef with Linux right now... my printer output just pretty much blows. It's okay if I'm just printing out a todo list or maybe some tricky code snippets for my own viewing, but I couldn't print out my resume and feel good about giving it to somebody.
So.. I guess I'm just bitchin but it feels silly to keep win95 on a partition just to print out my friggin resume.
Isn't the whole "Kildall was out of the office so they went with Microsoft" one of those urban legends that isn't totally true.
If you think about it, if your a large company and you are looking to bundle an OS with your PC, that's a HUGE decision. Are you really going to go with choice B just because you can't immediatly get hold of choice A? It makes for an interesting story, but it just doesn't ring true if you think it through.
Kinda makes me wonder what the PC indsutry would be like if they had bundled CP/M instead of QDOS though...
****But no, your Grandmother doesn't care. All she wants to do is to be able to surf the web, send email, find where she put her files, and MAYBE hook up a scanner, printer, or cable modem. ****
Yes that's true, however Grandma also wants to make a bunch of those really neat/creative homade greetings cards... unfortunatly printing with Linux has a ways to go also.
Granted I haven't tried tooooo hard, but I have never had anything that resembles *good* quality when printing from Star Office or The Gimp or Word Perfect or Emacs...etc... Any suggestions on filters...etc that will improve my printing performance would be appreciated (HP desjet 693)
My point is that there are stil more than a few rough edges that need to be worked out before Linux can be targeted at the Grandmother crowd. I think we (a broad large blanket being thrown over the Linux community) can't get tooo hung up on the whole ease-of-use/eye-candy trap(crap) when there are still funnctionality issues that need to be dealt with.
After all, the whole Linux idea is supposed to be based upon functionality, not overtaking the evil competition.
****I'm afraid I can't agree on this one. It's one thing to talk about a denial-of-service attack, and even to demonstrate it. The early flood tools demonstrated that flaw just fine. But TFN doesn't acutally show us anything new about DoS attacks. It's sole "purpose" (if it has a legimitate purpose) is to demonstrate that the ultimate source of a DoS can be disguised, and we already knew that. ******
I feel like I'm swimming upstream here, but I'm going to agree with you and I'm going to go one step further.
I have to wonder how many of these guys really give a damn about security. If these people are so concerned about security why aren't they out breaking into peoples homes to show how easy it is to do that? Isn't that the same concept? This isn't about security, it's about smashing mailboxes, or throwing eggs at cars as they pass under a bridge.
This whole thing just smells like your basic "angry-anti-social-anti-establishment" activity. This is nothing but an act of cowardice commited by a coward.
I'll be able to forgive their actions if the "hacker" is under 18, otherwise I say the "hacker" should grow the fuck up and I sincerly wish years in a jail cell upon you.
<Dept Mgr> "Okay, the new version of Windows is due for release soon, we need to crank up the marketing machine...any good ideas?"
<random talking>
<voice from back> "Lets say that Win2000 is an innovation in innovating. "
<numerous giggles from the crowd>
<Dept. Mgr> "Hehe.. I think we need to shift gears from the innovating thing, any other ideas"
<voice from back> "Lets say that...uh...Win2000 is the most reliable product that Microsoft has ever released" <more random giggles from the crowd> "No wait, I've got it... lets say the Win2000 is more reliable than Linux" <giggles start to turn to laughter> "Or wait..yeah yeah..better yet.. lets say it's more reliable than Sun.."
<snickers and laughter becoming louder>
<Dept Mgr almost shouting to be heard above the laughter> "Bwahahaha..yes.. perfect..yes...that's just the stuff I'm looking for... anything else?"
<voice yells from the back> "Lets say that Jesus came back to earth and said that Win2000 is the only OS they use in heaven because it never needs rebooted...and that God just loves the way it scales and that Moses said it's uptime is amazing then we can..."
Well...color me confused...but I really don't get it. Sure this is nice of Ford...thet get tons of great PR to go along with a nice tax write-off, but how is this "ground-breaking, technological history in the making" I really don't get it.
Maybe I'm different but I would rather have them give me an extra $1000 in stock perks than a new computer that will be obsolete in 3-4 years.
If Ford wants to make a difference why don't they institue programs to give computers/internet access to the lower class families who can't afford them. THAT might help make a difference.
Or maybe go to inner city schools and give them computers and pay for some quality technology proffessionals to go in and help the kids learn how to use them. THAT might make a difference.
Color me cynical but I really don't see this as anything special or groudbreaking.
Ahmen to that my brother. I watch the redhat-install mailing list and there were many problems with 6.1 when it hit the streets. I have stuck with 6.0... I might go with 6.2...I dunno. They have hopefully fixed all of the 6.1 bugs by now.
Then again, my system is a running like a friggin tank on steroids, maybe I should just stick with 6.0 until I *need* to change. It's fun to try the new stuff, but I'm actually pretty happy that I'm not on that "forced* upgrade cycle anymore.
That's the great thing about Linux, if it's not broke, or you don't need the latest hardware support, you can keep running what you have.
It's true that they were trading at $4 - $6 but they were very undervalued at that price. I feel that the current 12-15 price range is much more fair.
I owned some Inprise stock (actually bought it when it was Borland) for a number of years and it was quite a bumpy ride. The main problem for Inprise was total and comlete turmoil in management. CEO's and CFO's coming and going, name chage ( I prefered Borland ) etc... They are a company that is floundering in a major way IMHO. Even though I ended up with a 50% profit I'm very happy to put that behind me.
I really can't see how they can justify 2.4 billion for a company with a market cap of 782 mill. Just plain nuts if you ask me.
Bingo !! You score a big 100 on that one my brother.
I was listening to some cheesey talk radio show the day after the FOF came out and they were talking about the judges decision...etc... some woman calls in and starts going on and on about how people were just picking on Bill G. because he's rich and how they should just leave MS alone because they have done so much for the world by making computers easy to use..etc... She sounded just like all of the marketing stuff that MS pumps out...It was obvious that this woman had not read one word from the FOF...she was completely uninformed.
Unfortunatly I think that this woman is part of the majority of the consumers...in fact it would not surprise me if 63% of the consumers are exactly like her.
I love a good consiracy theory, but IMHO this is one poll MS would not need to taint to get the results they want.
First of all I would like to thank the cluless moderator who gave me a flamebait. You can't express yourself with any emotion or have a non PC opinion around here anymore. IMHO the quality of moderation has declined over the past 3-4 months.
Secondly... I stand behind what I said. Even if I agree that what AOL did was "wrong" (yes I do think it's wrong, misleading, etc) that doesn't make it illegal.
Maybe my RTFM rant was a bit strong, but people tend to think of computers as toasters when they aren't. If I ruin my car because I try to upgrade the engine and I have no clue as to what I'm doing can I then sue Honda because they put a hood release in the car? I'm exagerating here I know, but the whole thing seems so silly.
****Actually, I grew up in a predominantly Black neghborhood. It was the fact that I had to actually live with them and interact with them for most of my 24 years that made me realize that they were indeed fundamentally different than myself.****
The real problem I have with this is that you are making a broad blanket statement by refering to the entire black race as "them." I'm really not sure that you can make generalizations about an entire race based upon the people who lived in your neighborhood.
You also say that "they" are fundamentallly different. What exactly does fundamentally different mean? I dated a black lady for about a year and I can tell you she was sweet, sensitive, loving, and generally a very nice person. If that's what you meant by fundamentally different then I would be inclined to agree with you.
**Saying things like "Racism is based on ignorance" without a thorough explanation will get you nowhere, and actually is flamebait.**
I didn't make that comment but I can tell you that I feel that racism isn't based on ignorance, I feel that racism = ignorance. If somone chooses to dislike or hate someone based upon the color of their skin then they are ignorant.
There are good and bad people from every race or culture. If you choose to base an opinion on an entire race by the actions of a select few then you are not a very deep thinker.
I have always thought that racism is probably taught more than it's "picked up along the way." We as a society need to attack the problem instead of worrying about censoring the effects. It seems so typical that society would put a bandaid on a huge gaping wound instead of addressing the real problem.
If something is changing you don't benefit too much from testing it, because you will always introduce more bugs when you introduce new features. That's why a *true* alpha will be feature complete.
At our little company when something is a beta that means that it is "bug free" and ready to ship. (Of course it never really is bug free, that's why you beta-test it)
You have a code freeze and get it into the hands of your beta testers to ferret out those last few bugs that only show up on different hardware or under a really heavy load etc...
I think M13 is better, but I wouldn't say it's alpha quality... they have a ways to go.
IMHO Amazon is smart to branch out. All of the.com's who are just specializing in books will loose, just like all of the mom and pop bookstores. How many of those are in your neighborhood today. Not many in mine, but I can tell you where the B&N and Borders are... It's kind of sad really. I despise all of the "Super Stores" / Wall-Mart's...
Books are a commodity, most people will buy on price if they consider all other things equal. I think that if soemone can find a way to get next day shipping at no additional cost and be *very reliable* then they will win.
I agree with your point about the Amazon branding, I think that there are a lot of newbies who don't even know enough to look anywhere else but Amazon when they want to buy a book online.
This whole thing kinda ties into the problem that VA Linux will have unless they can really prove that they give you better service and better boxes than Dell... Computers are a commodity and many people will buy on price...
hmmmm...it is better. Pages load pretty fast... seem to be rendering properly. But it crashed a couple times on me... just loading slashdot comments...hard lock.
I work for a software company and maybe I'm getting hung up on the word alpha...but IMHO an alpha product should be pretty hard to lock up. It's my understanding that an *alpha* is feature complete and for the most part *works*, but has many bugs which need to be uncovered. Alpha software should not lock while doing simple tasks.
That said... this seems to be much better than M12 and that's what is important here.
Ahmen to that my brother. I have had Solaris 7 X86 on my box for over a year now and It's my experience that it's solid as a rock, even on my cheap hardware. Lots of fun to play with when I'm in full blown geek mode:)
The main problem for Solaris vs Linux is apps, apps, apps, apps, apps (oh yeah.. lack of hardware support is a problem too). If you just want to run it as a server in some closet then Solaris is great. But if you want to dink around with it on your desktop it's a pain in the ass. Nobody makes binaries for it, so you end up wasting time compiling everything, mucking with make files, etc. That's all well and fine if you have the time, but sometimes I just want to grab something, install it, and be up and running.
Look at all of the development work being done for Linux, then search for apps being written for Solaris...hehe..not even close.
As far as speed... I've never done any scientific testing, but Solaris 7 seems to run just as good as RedHat6.0. I really don't know why people bag on it or call it Slowaris... it runs great for me.
While I have no reason to doubt what you say... I'm gonna stick with KDE for a while. I was totally disgusted with the quality of Gnome/E that shipped with my RH6.0 cd. I love the way it looks but it was not a release product.
One of the main reasons I choose Linux over everything else was because it WORKS. I don't care how *pretty* it is, it must WORK FIRST, everything else is secondary.
While KDE looks kinda klunky, it's as STABLE as a rock and I've grown to like it over the past 6 months.
I don't give a hoot what kind of new technology they are working on if it blows core all over the place and I'm never sure which mouse click will be my last.
That said...I will give it another try, but only after they release a *stable* version and I see many positive reviews stating that it works.
There is an interesting article in this weeks "PC Week" which talks about the general failure of Novel to capitalize on the lateness of Win2K. The article claims that not only did Novel not gain any marketshare during the delay, but they actually lost marketshare because of Linux.
Buuuuut...the best part of the article states that Novel actually fired "the entire 60-employee marketing staff" Can you say "major image problem?" When I read that I wasn't sure what shocked me the most... that fact that they fired the entire staff...or the fact that they actually had 60 people for marketing... sheesh
When it comes to marketshare it's sad but true that the best technology doesn't mean a thing if you can't crank up a spiffy marketing machine.
-disclaimer- I'm not stating that Novel has the best technology in the above sentence... I'm making a general statement. My knoweledge of networking software leaves much to be desired:)
I can't disagree that there will be many detractors to Transmeta, and it will be a bumpy, uphill ride. But I wouldn't really take any opinion of Jessie Berst as an indicator of what these problems might be. Heck... I wouldn't take anything that blowhard says seriously. Jessie Berst is nothing but a load of sensationalistic crap.
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Please explain to me how I can run NT/2000 with none of the GDI/GUI stuff. Lets say I have an computer with minimal resources and don't want to waste any overhead with any GUI stuff (since in the case of a server it's pretty much a complete waste). How can I run NT (his modular-well-designed OS) without the gui ?
Amen to that my brother. In my quest to learn GTK programming I have spent some time hacking through some of the apps that ship with gnome and I have to say that they SHOULD LEARN TO PUT SOME FUCKING COMMENTS in their code.
Writing good code is more than coming up with clever little hacks or the tightest algorithm. Writing clean, well commented code with descriptive variables goes a long way in my book. Some code I looked at was just fucking awfull..no comments at all and variable names with no meaning at all. Yeah it's a pain in the ass to write comments, but it's more of a pain in the ass to slog through uncommented spaghetti code.
So don't get all high and mighty until your house is in order.
You have have a valid point. Much of the stuff I use in my day to day routine works well and I don't think about it...stuff like Emacs, egcs, the 2.2xx kernel, nethack, etc... And I also agree with you when you say that we tend to focus on what doesn't work and not all of the great stuff that does.
Maybe we are dealing more with how we define the word beta. I don't think that most beta software is bad.. in fact some beta software is better then the release software we see in some stores. So I'm not really saying that in a bad way.
For example, I use KDE 1.1 and it works very well for me, but I still think it's more beta quality than release quality. I have core dumps on a regular basis (kaudioserver is a repeat offender), I can blow kfm up in a matter of minutes by attempting to move a large number of files via drag and drop. I can bring my entire X session to it's knees and have to ctrl-alt-+ to kill it just by trying to attach a file in kmail...the list goes on and on. Release quality software should be better.
Are these showstoppers for me? No.. I have learned what makes it blow up (in most cases) and I don't do it. This is not a major problem for me but it's not why I use Linux. This is more a "Microsoft taught" way to use software. You learn what to avoid and the software becomes "better." I don't expect any software to be perfect, but I really would like to see the Linux community shoot for better than just stable.
I realize there is a newer release of KDE which may or may not fix some of these problems, but that too seems like the ol MS way of releasing broken stuff then putting out patch after patch. Most of the time I dont' have the time or energy to upgrade every package and the libs and the dev stuf...etc...it's a pain. I want to get a realease version that works and use it until something new comes out with features I need. However when I try something that is clearly marked as beta software, then I would expect little problems and I would expect to have to upgrade when the fixes are released. That is the nature of beta software VS release software.
Sheesh... I'm rambling on and on here...don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining or bitchin, I'm merely voicing a little frustration.
Mozilla is not even at the alpha stage yet. I would expect it to crash and burn.
I too get frustrated with some of the software developed for Linux... most of it is barely beta quality. It seems that the Linux community is too caught up in "competing with Microsoft" instead of placing the focus on good software. But I still think the future looks bright and I love the fact that if you don't like something you can try something else or fix it yourself. These are options you don't have with the Microsoft paradigm.
I think you are missing the point. If you have a look at the stock performance of Corel and Inprise you will see that all does not seem to be well. The tech sector is booming and Corel and Inprise are both losing big percentages on a daily basis. Inprise @ 8.5 off from a high of 20 a few months ago; Corel @ 13.25 down from 44 in December. Meanwhile the Nasdaq has gone up about 25%.....hmmm that looks like a bad sign to me.
Check out the Yahoo Inprise Msg Board for some indication of how some investors feel. This has nothing to do with Corels entry into the Linux market or FUD as you propose, it has everything to do with a proposed merger that might not be in the best interest of Inprise.
Amen to that my brother.
I have to wonder about the claims of saving up to 80 - 90 percent of the space on the server.... uh...that can't be possible can it? They don't talk about the size of the database that contains the *file signatures* OR they don't talk about what happens when your box crashes and that databse becomes corrupt... sheesh...
The real killer for me is how near the bottom of the article they *hint* thay they are the ones who developed IpV6... AND...GOOD NEWS FOLKS... you can download it for free from our website.. yeah...like the *nix community hasn't had IpV6 support for some time now.
The MS marketing machine rolls on...
Just for fun check out Bill Gates and Paul Allen dumping MS stock like there is no tommorrow
Thanks, I'll give it a try. TeX looks kind of interesting (in a geek sort of way)
****On the otherhand I have also used both Staroffice and Wordperfect 8 under linux (neither extensively). These also seem to work fine for writing documents for printing elsewhere (never did get my printer properly configured).****
Amen to that my brother. *Configuring my printer* has been on my action item list for the past month but it seems like such a pain in the arse. I downloaded the CUPs demo and aspfilter but I don't know which way to go and I feel like I'm just flailing around. This has to get easier.
That has to be my biggest beef with Linux right now... my printer output just pretty much blows. It's okay if I'm just printing out a todo list or maybe some tricky code snippets for my own viewing, but I couldn't print out my resume and feel good about giving it to somebody.
So.. I guess I'm just bitchin but it feels silly to keep win95 on a partition just to print out my friggin resume.
Isn't the whole "Kildall was out of the office so they went with Microsoft" one of those urban legends that isn't totally true.
If you think about it, if your a large company and you are looking to bundle an OS with your PC, that's a HUGE decision. Are you really going to go with choice B just because you can't immediatly get hold of choice A? It makes for an interesting story, but it just doesn't ring true if you think it through.
Kinda makes me wonder what the PC indsutry would be like if they had bundled CP/M instead of QDOS though...
****But no, your Grandmother doesn't care. All she wants to do is to be able to surf the web, send email, find where she put her files, and MAYBE hook up a scanner, printer, or cable modem. ****
Yes that's true, however Grandma also wants to make a bunch of those really neat/creative homade greetings cards... unfortunatly printing with Linux has a ways to go also.
Granted I haven't tried tooooo hard, but I have never had anything that resembles *good* quality when printing from Star Office or The Gimp or Word Perfect or Emacs...etc... Any suggestions on filters...etc that will improve my printing performance would be appreciated (HP desjet 693)
My point is that there are stil more than a few rough edges that need to be worked out before Linux can be targeted at the Grandmother crowd. I think we (a broad large blanket being thrown over the Linux community) can't get tooo hung up on the whole ease-of-use/eye-candy trap(crap) when there are still funnctionality issues that need to be dealt with.
After all, the whole Linux idea is supposed to be based upon functionality, not overtaking the evil competition.
****I'm afraid I can't agree on this one. It's one thing to talk about a denial-of-service attack, and even to demonstrate it. The early flood tools demonstrated that flaw just fine. But TFN doesn't acutally show us anything new about DoS attacks. It's sole "purpose" (if it has a legimitate purpose) is to demonstrate that the ultimate source of a DoS can be disguised, and we already knew that. ******
I feel like I'm swimming upstream here, but I'm going to agree with you and I'm going to go one step further.
I have to wonder how many of these guys really give a damn about security. If these people are so concerned about security why aren't they out breaking into peoples homes to show how easy it is to do that? Isn't that the same concept? This isn't about security, it's about smashing mailboxes, or throwing eggs at cars as they pass under a bridge.
This whole thing just smells like your basic "angry-anti-social-anti-establishment" activity. This is nothing but an act of cowardice commited by a coward.
I'll be able to forgive their actions if the "hacker" is under 18, otherwise I say the "hacker" should grow the fuck up and I sincerly wish years in a jail cell upon you.
Overheard at a Microsoft marketing meeting:
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.. perfect..yes...that's just the stuff I'm looking for... anything else?"
<Dept Mgr> "Okay, the new version of Windows is due for release soon, we need to crank up the marketing machine...any good ideas?"
<random talking>
<voice from back> "Lets say that Win2000 is an innovation in innovating. "
<numerous giggles from the crowd>
<Dept. Mgr> "Hehe.. I think we need to shift gears from the innovating thing, any other ideas"
<voice from back> "Lets say that...uh...Win2000 is the most reliable product that Microsoft has ever released" <more random giggles from the crowd> "No wait, I've got it... lets say the Win2000 is more reliable than Linux" <giggles start to turn to laughter> "Or wait..yeah yeah..better yet.. lets say it's more reliable than Sun
<snickers and laughter becoming louder>
<Dept Mgr almost shouting to be heard above the laughter> "Bwahahaha..yes
<voice yells from the back> "Lets say that Jesus came back to earth and said that Win2000 is the only OS they use in heaven because it never needs rebooted...and that God just loves the way it scales and that Moses said it's uptime is amazing then we can..."
<screaming laughter drowns out the voice...>
Well...color me confused...but I really don't get it. Sure this is nice of Ford...thet get tons of great PR to go along with a nice tax write-off, but how is this "ground-breaking, technological history in the making" I really don't get it.
Maybe I'm different but I would rather have them give me an extra $1000 in stock perks than a new computer that will be obsolete in 3-4 years.
If Ford wants to make a difference why don't they institue programs to give computers/internet access to the lower class families who can't afford them. THAT might help make a difference.
Or maybe go to inner city schools and give them computers and pay for some quality technology proffessionals to go in and help the kids learn how to use them. THAT might make a difference.
Color me cynical but I really don't see this as anything special or groudbreaking.
Ahmen to that my brother. I watch the redhat-install mailing list and there were many problems with 6.1 when it hit the streets. I have stuck with 6.0... I might go with 6.2 ...I dunno. They have hopefully fixed all of the 6.1 bugs by now.
Then again, my system is a running like a friggin tank on steroids, maybe I should just stick with 6.0 until I *need* to change. It's fun to try the new stuff, but I'm actually pretty happy that I'm not on that "forced* upgrade cycle anymore.
That's the great thing about Linux, if it's not broke, or you don't need the latest hardware support, you can keep running what you have.
It's true that they were trading at $4 - $6 but they were very undervalued at that price. I feel that the current 12-15 price range is much more fair.
I owned some Inprise stock (actually bought it when it was Borland) for a number of years and it was quite a bumpy ride. The main problem for Inprise was total and comlete turmoil in management. CEO's and CFO's coming and going, name chage ( I prefered Borland ) etc... They are a company that is floundering in a major way IMHO. Even though I ended up with a 50% profit I'm very happy to put that behind me.
I really can't see how they can justify 2.4 billion for a company with a market cap of 782 mill. Just plain nuts if you ask me.
Bingo !! You score a big 100 on that one my brother.
I was listening to some cheesey talk radio show the day after the FOF came out and they were talking about the judges decision...etc... some woman calls in and starts going on and on about how people were just picking on Bill G. because he's rich and how they should just leave MS alone because they have done so much for the world by making computers easy to use..etc... She sounded just like all of the marketing stuff that MS pumps out...It was obvious that this woman had not read one word from the FOF...she was completely uninformed.
Unfortunatly I think that this woman is part of the majority of the consumers...in fact it would not surprise me if 63% of the consumers are exactly like her.
I love a good consiracy theory, but IMHO this is one poll MS would not need to taint to get the results they want.
First of all I would like to thank the cluless moderator who gave me a flamebait. You can't express yourself with any emotion or have a non PC opinion around here anymore. IMHO the quality of moderation has declined over the past 3-4 months.
Secondly... I stand behind what I said. Even if I agree that what AOL did was "wrong" (yes I do think it's wrong, misleading, etc) that doesn't make it illegal.
Maybe my RTFM rant was a bit strong, but people tend to think of computers as toasters when they aren't. If I ruin my car because I try to upgrade the engine and I have no clue as to what I'm doing can I then sue Honda because they put a hood release in the car? I'm exagerating here I know, but the whole thing seems so silly.
****Actually, I grew up in a predominantly Black neghborhood. It was the fact that I had to actually live with them and interact with them for most of my 24 years that made me realize that they were indeed fundamentally different than myself.****
The real problem I have with this is that you are making a broad blanket statement by refering to the entire black race as "them." I'm really not sure that you can make generalizations about an entire race based upon the people who lived in your neighborhood.
You also say that "they" are fundamentallly different. What exactly does fundamentally different mean? I dated a black lady for about a year and I can tell you she was sweet, sensitive, loving, and generally a very nice person. If that's what you meant by fundamentally different then I would be inclined to agree with you.
**Saying things like "Racism is based on ignorance" without a thorough explanation will get you nowhere, and actually is flamebait.**
I didn't make that comment but I can tell you that I feel that racism isn't based on ignorance, I feel that racism = ignorance. If somone chooses to dislike or hate someone based upon the color of their skin then they are ignorant.
There are good and bad people from every race or culture. If you choose to base an opinion on an entire race by the actions of a select few then you are not a very deep thinker.
I have always thought that racism is probably taught more than it's "picked up along the way." We as a society need to attack the problem instead of worrying about censoring the effects. It seems so typical that society would put a bandaid on a huge gaping wound instead of addressing the real problem.
If something is changing you don't benefit too much from testing it, because you will always introduce more bugs when you introduce new features. That's why a *true* alpha will be feature complete.
At our little company when something is a beta that means that it is "bug free" and ready to ship. (Of course it never really is bug free, that's why you beta-test it)
You have a code freeze and get it into the hands of your beta testers to ferret out those last few bugs that only show up on different hardware or under a really heavy load etc...
I think M13 is better, but I wouldn't say it's alpha quality... they have a ways to go.
IMHO Amazon is smart to branch out. All of the .com's who are just specializing in books will loose, just like all of the mom and pop bookstores. How many of those are in your neighborhood today. Not many in mine, but I can tell you where the B&N and Borders are... It's kind of sad really. I despise all of the "Super Stores" / Wall-Mart's...
Books are a commodity, most people will buy on price if they consider all other things equal. I think that if soemone can find a way to get next day shipping at no additional cost and be *very reliable* then they will win.
I agree with your point about the Amazon branding, I think that there are a lot of newbies who don't even know enough to look anywhere else but Amazon when they want to buy a book online.
This whole thing kinda ties into the problem that VA Linux will have unless they can really prove that they give you better service and better boxes than Dell... Computers are a commodity and many people will buy on price...
hmmmm...it is better. Pages load pretty fast... seem to be rendering properly. But it crashed a couple times on me... just loading slashdot comments...hard lock.
I work for a software company and maybe I'm getting hung up on the word alpha...but IMHO an alpha product should be pretty hard to lock up. It's my understanding that an *alpha* is feature complete and for the most part *works*, but has many bugs which need to be uncovered. Alpha software should not lock while doing simple tasks.
That said... this seems to be much better than M12 and that's what is important here.
Ahmen to that my brother. I have had Solaris 7 X86 on my box for over a year now and It's my experience that it's solid as a rock, even on my cheap hardware. Lots of fun to play with when I'm in full blown geek mode :)
The main problem for Solaris vs Linux is apps, apps, apps, apps, apps (oh yeah.. lack of hardware support is a problem too). If you just want to run it as a server in some closet then Solaris is great. But if you want to dink around with it on your desktop it's a pain in the ass. Nobody makes binaries for it, so you end up wasting time compiling everything, mucking with make files, etc. That's all well and fine if you have the time, but sometimes I just want to grab something, install it, and be up and running.
Look at all of the development work being done for Linux, then search for apps being written for Solaris...hehe..not even close.
As far as speed... I've never done any scientific testing, but Solaris 7 seems to run just as good as RedHat6.0. I really don't know why people bag on it or call it Slowaris... it runs great for me.
While I have no reason to doubt what you say... I'm gonna stick with KDE for a while. I was totally disgusted with the quality of Gnome/E that shipped with my RH6.0 cd. I love the way it looks but it was not a release product.
One of the main reasons I choose Linux over everything else was because it WORKS. I don't care how *pretty* it is, it must WORK FIRST, everything else is secondary.
While KDE looks kinda klunky, it's as STABLE as a rock and I've grown to like it over the past 6 months.
I don't give a hoot what kind of new technology they are working on if it blows core all over the place and I'm never sure which mouse click will be my last.
That said...I will give it another try, but only after they release a *stable* version and I see many positive reviews stating that it works.
There is an interesting article in this weeks "PC Week" which talks about the general failure of Novel to capitalize on the lateness of Win2K. The article claims that not only did Novel not gain any marketshare during the delay, but they actually lost marketshare because of Linux.
:)
Buuuuut...the best part of the article states that Novel actually fired "the entire 60-employee marketing staff" Can you say "major image problem?" When I read that I wasn't sure what shocked me the most... that fact that they fired the entire staff...or the fact that they actually had 60 people for marketing... sheesh
When it comes to marketshare it's sad but true that the best technology doesn't mean a thing if you can't crank up a spiffy marketing machine.
-disclaimer- I'm not stating that Novel has the best technology in the above sentence... I'm making a general statement. My knoweledge of networking software leaves much to be desired
Arrrrrhhhhhhggggg....
I can't disagree that there will be many detractors to Transmeta, and it will be a bumpy, uphill ride. But I wouldn't really take any opinion of Jessie Berst as an indicator of what these problems might be. Heck... I wouldn't take anything that blowhard says seriously. Jessie Berst is nothing but a load of sensationalistic crap.