Thank you (NOT) for quoting MY comment WITHOUT any attribution and taking it OUT of context to confuse the Slashdot readers.
That comparison was between Opera MOBILE/Netfront and OPWV, *NOT* Opera Mini. They are NOT the same thing. Opera Mini is a completely different codebase than Opera Mobile's.
What are you talking about? I have the Motorola Linux feature-phone E680i running Opera 7 (Motorola's linux smartphones are not true smartphones because the SDK is not given away to developers to write native apps for the phone -- a crucial part of a smartphone platform), and I have also installed Opera Mini 1.2 just fine. It works fine.
The AximSite looks good because they have support for the Pocket IE browser, they have a mobile web site and they autodetect Pocket IE. Digg.com doesn't have a mobile site. If the Aximsite did not have a mobile site it would look as bad as Digg does.
Too bad for you, I am also a geek. Meaning that, a few times a month (depending on the moon and sun coordination), I wanna use different OSes. Linux is one of them. And I would much love it if it was to work effortessly.
And btw, I don't think that whatever you or me says will make any difference. The Linux kernel is ultimately driven by companies and powerful individuals. It's not the innocent true community project it was 12 years ago. We have no say, we can only wish (and maybe file a feature request just for the record).
So, drop the lame "go back and play with your own toys" kind of replies. It's like asking me to not drink (free) tap water whenever I feel like it, just because I admitted that Evian is better.;-)
Sorry pal, but I am not so stupid to fall by your advocacy. I used various Linux systems since 1998 and FreeBSD occasionally. Nothing beats Windows XP in stability. Sure, you must be careful with virus and spyware (I never had such cases on my own computers btw) and if you are careful enough to only use Microsoft's certified drivers (and maybe a few extra ones from good sources, like nvidia's or Ati's or Creative's), you don't need the "help from the community" or the "paid help from Microsoft". I never needed anyone to fix anything for me. And if I had a question about something, Google did the job wonderfully.
I only had a single crash with XP since 2001. I had way more with Linux than with XP over the years. Additionally, XP requires less memory and it's spiffier than any KDE/Gnome Linux distro.
So, no, I don't need the source. I just need something that generally works with its "factory settings". You can't beat XP for that.
You are telling me, that I need SPECIAL supported hardware to run Linux with its 'Free as in Freedom' drivers. And if I don't have that hardware, I better buy it, or no cake.
So, what you are telling me in other words, is that Linux is more expensive to run than Windows.
If that's the case, I spit on the general direction of the "Free" nature of Linux. I prefer it to also be as much free as in beer too in order to switch over. And from what you are telling me, it is not really cheaper than Windows. It has special needs, needs that are not always possible to satisfy (e.g. with laptops).
Look, Linux is an operating system. It's supposed to operate and help people do their WORK. Adding philosophical crap on something as flat as "computers and operating systems", is just laughable. The best operating system is the one that WORKS with the smallest needed effort. Windows does that pretty well. If Linux needs special extra work and purchase of extra hardware, then it's not a good operating system (from a user's point of view). Users don't care about the source code. Users want a working machine and OS.
If you are telling me that Linux is for programmers and geeks only (as logically concluded above), then it's an elitistic OS, and indeed, we all better stay away from it, and let it enjoy its 1% of market share. Then we will all be happy. Plain users will simply ignore it and elitists will live happy in their Linux dreamland of the few.
Some manufacturers don't want to give away their specs or source code. They will always give binary drivers, like nVidia or softmodems. As a user, I want to be sure, 100%, that these drivers will work out of the box, even if, let's say, I run kernel 2.6.24 while the driver was written for 2.6.15. Right now, I don't have this guarantee. And as a user, I need it.
I don't see how the freedom of Linux is in question with a feature like this. I mean, there are binary drivers available TODAY. They just break with each kernel release (usually). The only thing that will change with this new feature is that binary drivers won't break. But binary drivers existed before and will continue to exist in the future. This is just a user convenience thing (and trouble for the developers), not a stub at the GPL.
I think that the developers don't want it just because it's too much work to keep compatibility. It's an added headache for them. I don't think the real issue is the GPL here. If they make it sound like it is, I think they are hiding the real issue: more work for them.
As a user, the last thing I want is hunting down drivers that will work with the X or Y kernel version. I want driver COMPATIBILITY. I want EASE OF USE. I want to do LESS WORK in my Linux desktop. I want to be fully UP and RUNNING, after a kernel upgrade.
And this is one of the things that's gonna help me achieve all this, as a user. Sure, it's going to be hell for developers having to test each time that nothing got broke duing a new release, but I don't really care. The user must have the convenience, not the developer.
If the linux developers don't like that, well, they are on the the wrong profession.
Secondly, Zeta has hardware incompatibilities with hardware that is supposedly *supports*. I have 3 major problems with my laptop (all using chipsets that are supposedly supported), my Savage4 3D card on my other PC (also supposedly supported) and the IDE disk on my Duron PC (Zeta can't partition it).
Yes, I am in talks with yellowtab to fix the problems. They are currently working actively for them, and I thank them for it. However, some of the bugs did not exist in the 1.0-beta while they appeared in 1.0 (like an SMP bug that hits my 1-cpu laptop).
So, as I said above, yes, Zeta has its problems. But it is WAY more usable than Haiku. That was the point, not if Zeta has bugs or not. All OSes have bugs. It's just that Haiku is not even comprable, neither I believe it will ever be. Haiku will never reach "user usability quality status" because only Axel works seriously on it.
Based on my own experience with Zeta 1.0 on 3 machines. That's how. There are many incompatibilities and bugs (and yes, I first used BeOS since March 1999).
But EVEN with these problems, Zeta is WAY better than the Haiku. Haiku is not even a solution, it is simply a hobby for a few hobby coders that only code in it every blue moon (except Axel who does most of the work there).
Thank you for proving to me that you don't understand shit about people. I am not mean, not by a long shot. But I am not a zombie either, like most people are. I say things the way they are, clean from any kind of bias and personal favorites. If that makes me a bitch, then I *most certainly* am one. And I am proud of it.
It was about time. They should have gone with it 2 years ago already, before the G5 stuff. They should have notice that IBM was not able to deliver faster versions of the CPU (Jobs was expecting 3 GHz in 2004, somemthing that IBM did not deliver not even this year) and most importantly, versions of the chip that could really fit well on a laptop -- the best selling Macs. Apple bought IBM's promises and they screwed themselves once more time.
Right... let's see now... one more change for developers and users on the Mac land...
Yes, I was replying to a Slashdot comment when the earthquake happened...:o) Five minutes later, I was commenting again here on Slashdot, reporting the earthquake.:)
I am in Foster City, 75 km away from the Epicenter. Yup, I felt it. First thing I did was to shout "Sweetieeee, wake up!" to my husband who has *just* gone to sleep. But it only lasted for 10 secs or so, so it was not too bad.
In Greece I've seen worse that this quake.
And in fact, I was feeling like it would be a quake today. In Greece, (older) people have three things to undedify earthquakes that are going to happen in the next few hours: 1. If the climate is unsusally dryly hot and it feels weird to your.. ears (there is an unusual sound of silence, a low pitch sound that masks the other small sounds). It is a different sort of heat. It is like humid heat, but very dry at the same time. I can't explain it better in words, sorry. 2. If for some weird reason, while you just sit somewhere fine and daddy, your ear just "blocks", like it does when water gets inside when you are in the bath or something. 3. If the dogs just bark all day, and no matter what you do to them, they just don't stop barking.
At least these are the ways older people in Greece get a clue about nature's surprises.
Yes, thanks. This is the web site my husband loaded after I woke him up, when I felt the strong earthquake...:o This is where we got the preliminary report for the 5.2 magnitude as well.:) www.sfgate.com has gathered more info about the earthquake.
> Yes, weird, isn't it? I mean, I loaded Slashdot just before I go to bed tonight...
Well, it seems I won't be going to bed soon. A pretty intensive earthquake happened just 75 Khm away from our place, 5 minutes after the story went live. Preliminary reports say that it was 5.2 Richter...
Yes, weird, isn't it? I mean, I loaded Slashdot just before I go to bed tonight, and the story had just come up..:o
At OSNews I have already written 2-3 book reviews about MacOSX programming. I am new into MacOSX myself, I only got this G4 450 Mhz Cube some weeks ago, but I started reading about Carbon and Cocoa since January, because I was seriously thinking of getting a Mac anyway.
So, here is a review, a second one, and I also recommend this book as well. Please come back soon on OSNews, because I will be reviewing another Carbon book soon, which (so far) seems to be the best of the lot.
(I have the whole OSX book series here, all the latest MacOSX programming books can be found in the shelf behind me.:D )
There should be exceptions to this rule. Their 18-year old rule makes business sense, BUT, think for a moment, that even Marcelo who is the MAIN maintainer for the 2.4.x stable Linux kernel is BARELY 18 years old and he started working as a coder to Connectiva Linux since he was 13 years old. And yes, I know someone who wrote his own operating system at his 16 years old, and he had his own company at 18. Apple should just make an exception this time for people like Finlay Dobbie, if he is indeed a good coder.
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Thank you (NOT) for quoting MY comment WITHOUT any attribution and taking it OUT of context to confuse the Slashdot readers.
That comparison was between Opera MOBILE/Netfront and OPWV, *NOT* Opera Mini. They are NOT the same thing. Opera Mini is a completely different codebase than Opera Mobile's.
What are you talking about? I have the Motorola Linux feature-phone E680i running Opera 7 (Motorola's linux smartphones are not true smartphones because the SDK is not given away to developers to write native apps for the phone -- a crucial part of a smartphone platform), and I have also installed Opera Mini 1.2 just fine. It works fine.
It autodetects only Internet Explorer for PocketPC, not other mobile browsers. And when it does so, it serves a much simpler HTML.
OSNews.com autodetects 120 mobile browsers/devices and serves the simpler site. Have a look with both your PPC and a desktop browser.
The AximSite looks good because they have support for the Pocket IE browser, they have a mobile web site and they autodetect Pocket IE. Digg.com doesn't have a mobile site. If the Aximsite did not have a mobile site it would look as bad as Digg does.
Yes, it's called Gizmo Project. www.gizmoproject.com
Too bad for you, I am also a geek. Meaning that, a few times a month (depending on the moon and sun coordination), I wanna use different OSes. Linux is one of them. And I would much love it if it was to work effortessly.
;-)
And btw, I don't think that whatever you or me says will make any difference. The Linux kernel is ultimately driven by companies and powerful individuals. It's not the innocent true community project it was 12 years ago. We have no say, we can only wish (and maybe file a feature request just for the record).
So, drop the lame "go back and play with your own toys" kind of replies. It's like asking me to not drink (free) tap water whenever I feel like it, just because I admitted that Evian is better.
Sorry pal, but I am not so stupid to fall by your advocacy. I used various Linux systems since 1998 and FreeBSD occasionally. Nothing beats Windows XP in stability. Sure, you must be careful with virus and spyware (I never had such cases on my own computers btw) and if you are careful enough to only use Microsoft's certified drivers (and maybe a few extra ones from good sources, like nvidia's or Ati's or Creative's), you don't need the "help from the community" or the "paid help from Microsoft". I never needed anyone to fix anything for me. And if I had a question about something, Google did the job wonderfully.
I only had a single crash with XP since 2001. I had way more with Linux than with XP over the years. Additionally, XP requires less memory and it's spiffier than any KDE/Gnome Linux distro.
So, no, I don't need the source. I just need something that generally works with its "factory settings". You can't beat XP for that.
You are telling me, that I need SPECIAL supported hardware to run Linux with its 'Free as in Freedom' drivers. And if I don't have that hardware, I better buy it, or no cake.
So, what you are telling me in other words, is that Linux is more expensive to run than Windows.
If that's the case, I spit on the general direction of the "Free" nature of Linux. I prefer it to also be as much free as in beer too in order to switch over. And from what you are telling me, it is not really cheaper than Windows. It has special needs, needs that are not always possible to satisfy (e.g. with laptops).
Look, Linux is an operating system. It's supposed to operate and help people do their WORK. Adding philosophical crap on something as flat as "computers and operating systems", is just laughable. The best operating system is the one that WORKS with the smallest needed effort. Windows does that pretty well. If Linux needs special extra work and purchase of extra hardware, then it's not a good operating system (from a user's point of view). Users don't care about the source code. Users want a working machine and OS.
If you are telling me that Linux is for programmers and geeks only (as logically concluded above), then it's an elitistic OS, and indeed, we all better stay away from it, and let it enjoy its 1% of market share. Then we will all be happy. Plain users will simply ignore it and elitists will live happy in their Linux dreamland of the few.
Some manufacturers don't want to give away their specs or source code. They will always give binary drivers, like nVidia or softmodems. As a user, I want to be sure, 100%, that these drivers will work out of the box, even if, let's say, I run kernel 2.6.24 while the driver was written for 2.6.15. Right now, I don't have this guarantee. And as a user, I need it.
I don't see how the freedom of Linux is in question with a feature like this. I mean, there are binary drivers available TODAY. They just break with each kernel release (usually). The only thing that will change with this new feature is that binary drivers won't break. But binary drivers existed before and will continue to exist in the future. This is just a user convenience thing (and trouble for the developers), not a stub at the GPL.
I think that the developers don't want it just because it's too much work to keep compatibility. It's an added headache for them. I don't think the real issue is the GPL here. If they make it sound like it is, I think they are hiding the real issue: more work for them.
As a user, the last thing I want is hunting down drivers that will work with the X or Y kernel version. I want driver COMPATIBILITY. I want EASE OF USE. I want to do LESS WORK in my Linux desktop. I want to be fully UP and RUNNING, after a kernel upgrade.
And this is one of the things that's gonna help me achieve all this, as a user. Sure, it's going to be hell for developers having to test each time that nothing got broke duing a new release, but I don't really care. The user must have the convenience, not the developer.
If the linux developers don't like that, well, they are on the the wrong profession.
First of all, I am not on osnews anymore.
Secondly, Zeta has hardware incompatibilities with hardware that is supposedly *supports*. I have 3 major problems with my laptop (all using chipsets that are supposedly supported), my Savage4 3D card on my other PC (also supposedly supported) and the IDE disk on my Duron PC (Zeta can't partition it).
Yes, I am in talks with yellowtab to fix the problems. They are currently working actively for them, and I thank them for it. However, some of the bugs did not exist in the 1.0-beta while they appeared in 1.0 (like an SMP bug that hits my 1-cpu laptop).
So, as I said above, yes, Zeta has its problems. But it is WAY more usable than Haiku. That was the point, not if Zeta has bugs or not. All OSes have bugs. It's just that Haiku is not even comprable, neither I believe it will ever be. Haiku will never reach "user usability quality status" because only Axel works seriously on it.
Based on my own experience with Zeta 1.0 on 3 machines. That's how. There are many incompatibilities and bugs (and yes, I first used BeOS since March 1999).
But EVEN with these problems, Zeta is WAY better than the Haiku. Haiku is not even a solution, it is simply a hobby for a few hobby coders that only code in it every blue moon (except Axel who does most of the work there).
Thank you for proving to me that you don't understand shit about people. I am not mean, not by a long shot. But I am not a zombie either, like most people are. I say things the way they are, clean from any kind of bias and personal favorites. If that makes me a bitch, then I *most certainly* am one. And I am proud of it.
She is doing public relations. Who do you think submitted this article?
Asshole.
Which is exactly why the review said that PalmOS is easier wiht internet connectivity tools, but PPC has better internet browser/email.
It was about time. They should have gone with it 2 years ago already, before the G5 stuff. They should have notice that IBM was not able to deliver faster versions of the CPU (Jobs was expecting 3 GHz in 2004, somemthing that IBM did not deliver not even this year) and most importantly, versions of the chip that could really fit well on a laptop -- the best selling Macs. Apple bought IBM's promises and they screwed themselves once more time.
Right... let's see now... one more change for developers and users on the Mac land...
Yes, I was replying to a Slashdot comment when the earthquake happened... :o) :)
Five minutes later, I was commenting again here on Slashdot, reporting the earthquake.
I am in Foster City, 75 km away from the Epicenter. Yup, I felt it. First thing I did was to shout "Sweetieeee, wake up!" to my husband who has *just* gone to sleep. But it only lasted for 10 secs or so, so it was not too bad.
In Greece I've seen worse that this quake.
And in fact, I was feeling like it would be a quake today. In Greece, (older) people have three things to undedify earthquakes that are going to happen in the next few hours:
1. If the climate is unsusally dryly hot and it feels weird to your.. ears (there is an unusual sound of silence, a low pitch sound that masks the other small sounds). It is a different sort of heat. It is like humid heat, but very dry at the same time. I can't explain it better in words, sorry.
2. If for some weird reason, while you just sit somewhere fine and daddy, your ear just "blocks", like it does when water gets inside when you are in the bath or something.
3. If the dogs just bark all day, and no matter what you do to them, they just don't stop barking.
At least these are the ways older people in Greece get a clue about nature's surprises.
Yes, thanks. This is the web site my husband loaded after I woke him up, when I felt the strong earthquake... :o :)
This is where we got the preliminary report for the 5.2 magnitude as well.
www.sfgate.com has gathered more info about the earthquake.
> Yes, weird, isn't it? I mean, I loaded Slashdot just before I go to bed tonight...
Well, it seems I won't be going to bed soon. A pretty intensive earthquake happened just 75 Khm away from our place, 5 minutes after the story went live. Preliminary reports say that it was 5.2 Richter...
> amazing. a first post by submitter
Yes, weird, isn't it? I mean, I loaded Slashdot just before I go to bed tonight, and the story had just come up.. :o
At OSNews I have already written 2-3 book reviews about MacOSX programming. I am new into MacOSX myself, I only got this G4 450 Mhz Cube some weeks ago, but I started reading about Carbon and Cocoa since January, because I was seriously thinking of getting a Mac anyway.
So, here is a review, a second one, and I also recommend this book as well. Please come back soon on OSNews, because I will be reviewing another Carbon book soon, which (so far) seems to be the best of the lot.
(I have the whole OSX book series here, all the latest MacOSX programming books can be found in the shelf behind me. :D )
Duh! I made a mistake when I submitted the story. GNUSTEP wraps around the Cocoa API, not the Carbon one. Sorry for the confusion.
:P
I was deep into porting a game to MacOSX at the time of the submission and everything was like a big knot in my head...
There should be exceptions to this rule. Their 18-year old rule makes business sense, BUT, think for a moment, that even Marcelo who is the MAIN maintainer for the 2.4.x stable Linux kernel is BARELY 18 years old and he started working as a coder to Connectiva Linux since he was 13 years old.
And yes, I know someone who wrote his own operating system at his 16 years old, and he had his own company at 18.
Apple should just make an exception this time for people like Finlay Dobbie, if he is indeed a good coder.
>However, in all my Linux years I have never ever
:)
:)
>waited *2 minutes* for a partition to mount. So
>either Eugenia's box is terribly slow,
Dual PIII 450 Mhz, 512 MB of RAM. Lycoris is installed on a *fast* SCSI drive, while both the FAT32 partitions are on an also modern IDE drive.
> or something is very wrong with that Linux distro,
I read somewhere that their FAT32 code is still alpha. I am sure there is A LOT of room for improvement.
> or she's lying
You are very welcome to come and see it yourself if you are living in the Bay Area. You are warmly invited to our house and experience it yourself.