AFAIK, Eurasia is the (at least inofficial) name for the whole land from West-Europe to China.
Yes, I know, this was also what I meant, although it might not have been perfectly clear. "Eurasia" is the name of a tectonic plate that most of Europe and Asia happen to be on, it is not the name of a continent; Europe and Asia are different continents (as everybody should know).
The conflict centers around two groups, one loyal to Eric S. Raymond
Isn't it something wrong when FSF (Free Software Foundation) people are loyal to ESR, the person who refuses to call free software "free software" but instead "open source"? It seems there is some confusion here about loyalness...
Then again, I agree that "FSF-Europe" is better than "FSF-Eurasia". Europe is a continent, Eurasia isn't. "FSF-Eurasia" sounds like "FSF-ForAlmostEverythingOutsideAmerica" and seems to me as stupid as that too. Everything outside America isn't homogenous, on the contrary. If there is a need for FSF-Asia, let it be founded too, instead of trying to put everything in this one new FSF sister organization.
Are we all 100% sure of the perfection of the FSF model, that nothing needs to be changed about it (particularly RMS)?
I'm pretty sure, but please don't misunderstand me. We certainly wouldn't have free software in masses today like we have now if it hadn't been for FSF and ultimately, RMS. I think his "radicalism" about software freedom is why we have so much free software today. For Christ's sake, the term "open source" wouldn't even exist today hadn't it been for RMS, as that word was coined by people who liked the idea of free software but didn't like RMS' radicalism and the ideology behind it.
I personally think that his radicalism is a good thing, because you always know where you have him. He always tries to be as clear about his views and software freedom as possible. Although I don't agree with him about everything, it makes me trust him more than those who are willing to compromise about software freedom and licenses all the time, and end up with stupid licenses that are bad in the end anyway.
My point is, you can like or dislike RMS and his radicalism, but I think giving him credit for the success of the concept of free software is still due.
SuSE is way more popular in Europe than RedHat is here.
I'm sorry, but saying that is also a bad generalization. Red Hat, Mandrake and Debian is rather popular in Scandinavia, at least in Sweden, and I think the number of Red Hat users far excels the number of SuSE users here.
SuSE is incredibly popular in Germany and Austria but I don't think that counts as "whole Europe".
I would be using Galeon, but until they either provide a complete self-contained RPM or make it an easy compile, I can't be bothered.
Huh? I test Galeon regularly but I've never compiled neither Galeon nor Mozilla. The Mozilla RPMs provided by Chris Blizzard (http://people.redhat.com/blizzard/so ftw are/)
work fine together with the Galeon RPMs downloadable from Sourceforge. It's three RPMs you have to install (mozilla, mozilla-devel, and galeon) and I don't see why they should be packaged as only one, and loose the modularity.
If you want to try Galeon 0.8, you might have better luck with more recent Mozilla builds than M18 (Blizzard has those too).
binaries compiled with 2.96 will not necessarily work with 3.0
Neither will binaries compiled with 2.95.2, so I don't see your point here.
The GCC Steering Committe have declared that gcc 3.0 matters are still subject to change - so both 2.95.2- and 2.96-compiled stuff won't necessarily work with 3.0. So the "gcc 3.0" compability argument is moot.
it's also directly copied off their errata page (which, seeing as I installed RedHat 7.0, foolish me, I really should be heading towards more frequently.)
If you don't want to go to the errata page for update news, let the update news come to you...
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If you've been following all Red Hat stories lately and read most comments you'd notice that the most people complaining about RH 7 are the people that don't actually run it.
Most of posters stating that they do actually use RH 7 seem quite happy about it, noticing that it is even more stable than RH 5.0 or 6.0 ever were. Most of the bad press on/. was indeed very bad journalism, even FUD in the case of the "2500 bugs" story, which wasn't even close to the truth (the real figure of unsolved bugs, feature requests and other issues in RH7 was 150, yes one hundred and fifty, not 2500). The idiot poster who submitted that story counted not the outstanding bugs in RH7 as he was claiming but all entries in Bugzilla for all previous RH releases, including feature requests, resolved bugs, duplicates, non-reproducable errors, bug reports missing critical information and otherwise closed "bugs"...
So, chances are that you should trust/. a little less and learn from your own experience by trying it... In my experience, it is better than all previous RH releases; the way it should be.
There's a file called RELEASE-NOTES in the top-level directory of the CDs, which explains that kgcc should be used to build kernels. So all the bug reports from people complaining that they can't compile kernels is just a NRTFM problem.
Next time, try reading that file before shouting "it isn't documented anywhere" on Slashdot and in Red Hat Bugzilla.
Which graphics card has good drivers so that I can get a feel for Linux in general?
Matrox generally has good Linux support for their cards.
It's very hard to do if every problem I have with it is due to "someone else" and not Linux per se
Most drivers in Linux are writte by third-party people that are in no way affiliated with the hardware manufacturers. But in your case, I assumed you downloaded 3dfx' experimental drivers. I guess my assumption was right.
But I bet you are this dispassioned when you look at Windows - I bet you know to blame the drivers and not to blame the OS. Yeah, right.
Actually, no. If I download a new driver from the hardware manufacturer and that piece of hardware suddenly starts to behave strange or the machine hangs I would blame the hardware manufacturer for the buggy drivers. But if I use Microsofts own drivers for that hardware that comes with Windows, I'd blame Microsoft for the behavior of those drivers.
When I say there's no good X programs I mean no good X programs
But X was designed to be a Windowing System framework, not a desktop. I don't see what a lack of "pure" X programs is a drawback for X.
I think it's quite nice that you have your "desktop experience" split into several, independant parts. This way, you can switch desktop system without worrying about hardware compability and all those issues, if everything should be built into the same mess.
X isn't designed to be pretty or have lots of apps. It's designed to take care of the graphics hardware and the most primitive graphics operations.
In general, I think your reasoning is like a person who complains about a simple hammer not being able to cut down trees, fix the car, move the lawn and being available in all possible colors at the same time.
Mind you, if you're genuinely using the "network window" concept day-to-day I expect you're quite happy with lousy graphics performance.
Actually, it isn't that bad. The network speed is the crucial part and I'm only one hop away from school, and it's switched 10/100 Ethernet all tha way. Quite speedy. And I only use it for school work, not games or so, so the minimal decrease in performerance isn't a problem.
I also use the opposite - X-Chat isn't installed at school so I often ssh from school to my home box and use X-Chat from there. Not only does it work, it's pretty fast too. The only thing that is somewhat slow is switching between channel tabs - it takes a second or two for the window to refresh.
I'm running KDE/Gnome on my Voodoo3 which Linux has accelerated drivers for
If you're using the drivers from 3dfx, you should blame the shoddy drivers on 3dfx, and not on Linux in general.
X sucks. Everyone who knows anything about X agrees it sucks. Even real Linux zealots.
I tend to disagree. Yes, there sometimes are performerance issues, often due to lousy drivers. But X has things other windowing systems don't. In my case, nothing beats being able to work from home "out of the box" by running those Solaris apps over the network and displaying them on my Linux machine at home. I do it every day. Wouldn't happen without X.
The Linux community should discard X and start again.
Then help the Berlin Project. But beware, it's not that useable yet.
Fuck compatibility, there aren't any good X programs anyways.
Most of your post made sense, but this doesn't. Almost all graphical apps in the Unix/Linux world are X programs... and they're not few. You're not seriously telling me that all GNOME/KDE software sucks?
Don't get me wrong, I love linux, I just can't stand X. Linux was not meant to run graphical applications.
Huh? How is Linux not meant to run graphical applications? In your case, I'd blame the bad refresh and redraw on the old graphics hardware in your machine. If you'd get a newer graphics adapter, I think that you wouldn't experience these problems at all. Newer graphics hardware has, in many cases, more competitive drivers. I exerience these differences for example with a Matrox Mystique and a Matrox Mystique G200... the first is painfully slow on redraw, the second doesn't have such problems at all.
Personally, I really don't like people that puts Linux on their second computer, an old Pentium 75 with 24 MB and a stone-age Trident graphics adapter or some such, and then spout off to tell how "bad" Linux performs compared to their Windows system (which of course runs on an Athlon with 128 MB and a fancy-smancy graphics adapter). I've met that type of persons...
I don't know about the situation in the US but Toshiba once sold a series of portables called Libretto in Europe.
I think something like the Libretto was exactly what you were looking for - it was small portables with only 64 MB RAM and Pentium MMX processors, and a somewhat tiny LCD that could only do 800x480 or something like that - apart from the battery time. It was basically an x86-compatible, overpowered and horribly oversized PDA that could run Windows (don't know about Linux, I newer saw it tested with a Linux configuration in hardware reviews:)
I don't think that it could run for days though...
I think it was discontinued because of lack of demand though, maybe because it's high price.
I couldn't find any links except from the Swedish site under "older computers" (infos in Swedish, but the specs should probably be globally understandable):
How could they? Last time I checked, Sun didn't own anything in Eazel.
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Gnome is GPL'ed, not LGPL. So, come up with another reason why Qt is still bad.
Huh? Where did you get that from? The core gnome libraries (and gnome-core) are all LGPL, for maximum flexibility in licensing when you build something on top of GNOME.
And you sound like a troll, calling everything people say about the systems in their countries for blatant lies, when you yourself haven't provided even one line of counterevidence.
Case in point: I live in Sweden, and our banking system is naturally very similar to the Finnish one. I know for a fact that most of what the original Finnish poster said is true for Sweden too. The last check I recieved was several years ago, and it was expensive to check in.
Myself, I've used online banking for five years, and there has been surveys saying that half of the Swedish populace uses online banking for payments and money transfer.
Uh... Gecko is an engine, not a browser. And yes, Gecko does have a Windows port, after all, there is, and has almost always been, a Mozilla port for Windows.
You can argue, however, and on good grounds, that Linux isn't just Red Hat.
Hence, the petition should say Linux is not Red Hat and not Red Hat is not Linux. There is a difference there, one that makes me wonder how people can support Red Hat is not Linux as that statement itself is obviously false.
Heh... Red Hat 5.1 was my first real Linux experience too (not counting a quick journey with some Slackware on floppies several years before;-).
I decided to try Mandrake 6.2 or so but got so utterly disappointed with their broken GNOME, so I switched back to Red Hat. Haven't regretted it since.
You mentioned Mandrake... why not Red Hat? If the concern about freedom really is important, Red Hat might be a good choice too. They release _all_ their software as GPL/LGPL, and help with GNOME development, GTK+, etc.
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Yes, I know, this was also what I meant, although it might not have been perfectly clear. "Eurasia" is the name of a tectonic plate that most of Europe and Asia happen to be on, it is not the name of a continent; Europe and Asia are different continents (as everybody should know).
Isn't it something wrong when FSF (Free Software Foundation) people are loyal to ESR, the person who refuses to call free software "free software" but instead "open source"? It seems there is some confusion here about loyalness...
Then again, I agree that "FSF-Europe" is better than "FSF-Eurasia". Europe is a continent, Eurasia isn't. "FSF-Eurasia" sounds like "FSF-ForAlmostEverythingOutsideAmerica" and seems to me as stupid as that too. Everything outside America isn't homogenous, on the contrary. If there is a need for FSF-Asia, let it be founded too, instead of trying to put everything in this one new FSF sister organization.
I'm pretty sure, but please don't misunderstand me. We certainly wouldn't have free software in masses today like we have now if it hadn't been for FSF and ultimately, RMS. I think his "radicalism" about software freedom is why we have so much free software today. For Christ's sake, the term "open source" wouldn't even exist today hadn't it been for RMS, as that word was coined by people who liked the idea of free software but didn't like RMS' radicalism and the ideology behind it.
I personally think that his radicalism is a good thing, because you always know where you have him. He always tries to be as clear about his views and software freedom as possible. Although I don't agree with him about everything, it makes me trust him more than those who are willing to compromise about software freedom and licenses all the time, and end up with stupid licenses that are bad in the end anyway.
My point is, you can like or dislike RMS and his radicalism, but I think giving him credit for the success of the concept of free software is still due.
I'm sorry, but saying that is also a bad generalization. Red Hat, Mandrake and Debian is rather popular in Scandinavia, at least in Sweden, and I think the number of Red Hat users far excels the number of SuSE users here.
SuSE is incredibly popular in Germany and Austria but I don't think that counts as "whole Europe".
Huh? I test Galeon regularly but I've never compiled neither Galeon nor Mozilla. The Mozilla RPMs provided by Chris Blizzard (http://people.redhat.com/blizzard/so ftw are/) work fine together with the Galeon RPMs downloadable from Sourceforge. It's three RPMs you have to install (mozilla, mozilla-devel, and galeon) and I don't see why they should be packaged as only one, and loose the modularity.
If you want to try Galeon 0.8, you might have better luck with more recent Mozilla builds than M18 (Blizzard has those too).
A friend of mine did this, among others the games tetris and pong.
They're described, along with pictures of them in action, on this page on his home page.
Neither will binaries compiled with 2.95.2, so I don't see your point here.
The GCC Steering Committe have declared that gcc 3.0 matters are still subject to change - so both 2.95.2- and 2.96-compiled stuff won't necessarily work with 3.0. So the "gcc 3.0" compability argument is moot.
If you don't want to go to the errata page for update news, let the update news come to you...
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Please see my other post.
Most of posters stating that they do actually use RH 7 seem quite happy about it, noticing that it is even more stable than RH 5.0 or 6.0 ever were. Most of the bad press on
So, chances are that you should trust /. a little less and learn from your own experience by trying it... In my experience, it is better than all previous RH releases; the way it should be.
What activities?
Next time, try reading that file before shouting "it isn't documented anywhere" on Slashdot and in Red Hat Bugzilla.
Matrox generally has good Linux support for their cards.
It's very hard to do if every problem I have with it is due to "someone else" and not Linux per se
Most drivers in Linux are writte by third-party people that are in no way affiliated with the hardware manufacturers. But in your case, I assumed you downloaded 3dfx' experimental drivers. I guess my assumption was right.
But I bet you are this dispassioned when you look at Windows - I bet you know to blame the drivers and not to blame the OS. Yeah, right.
Actually, no. If I download a new driver from the hardware manufacturer and that piece of hardware suddenly starts to behave strange or the machine hangs I would blame the hardware manufacturer for the buggy drivers. But if I use Microsofts own drivers for that hardware that comes with Windows, I'd blame Microsoft for the behavior of those drivers.
When I say there's no good X programs I mean no good X programs
But X was designed to be a Windowing System framework, not a desktop. I don't see what a lack of "pure" X programs is a drawback for X.
I think it's quite nice that you have your "desktop experience" split into several, independant parts. This way, you can switch desktop system without worrying about hardware compability and all those issues, if everything should be built into the same mess.
X isn't designed to be pretty or have lots of apps. It's designed to take care of the graphics hardware and the most primitive graphics operations.
In general, I think your reasoning is like a person who complains about a simple hammer not being able to cut down trees, fix the car, move the lawn and being available in all possible colors at the same time.
Mind you, if you're genuinely using the "network window" concept day-to-day I expect you're quite happy with lousy graphics performance.
Actually, it isn't that bad. The network speed is the crucial part and I'm only one hop away from school, and it's switched 10/100 Ethernet all tha way. Quite speedy. And I only use it for school work, not games or so, so the minimal decrease in performerance isn't a problem.
I also use the opposite - X-Chat isn't installed at school so I often ssh from school to my home box and use X-Chat from there. Not only does it work, it's pretty fast too. The only thing that is somewhat slow is switching between channel tabs - it takes a second or two for the window to refresh.
If you're using the drivers from 3dfx, you should blame the shoddy drivers on 3dfx, and not on Linux in general.
X sucks. Everyone who knows anything about X agrees it sucks. Even real Linux zealots.
I tend to disagree. Yes, there sometimes are performerance issues, often due to lousy drivers. But X has things other windowing systems don't. In my case, nothing beats being able to work from home "out of the box" by running those Solaris apps over the network and displaying them on my Linux machine at home. I do it every day. Wouldn't happen without X.
The Linux community should discard X and start again.
Then help the Berlin Project. But beware, it's not that useable yet.
Fuck compatibility, there aren't any good X programs anyways.
Most of your post made sense, but this doesn't. Almost all graphical apps in the Unix/Linux world are X programs... and they're not few. You're not seriously telling me that all GNOME/KDE software sucks?
Huh? How is Linux not meant to run graphical applications? In your case, I'd blame the bad refresh and redraw on the old graphics hardware in your machine. If you'd get a newer graphics adapter, I think that you wouldn't experience these problems at all. Newer graphics hardware has, in many cases, more competitive drivers. I exerience these differences for example with a Matrox Mystique and a Matrox Mystique G200... the first is painfully slow on redraw, the second doesn't have such problems at all.
Personally, I really don't like people that puts Linux on their second computer, an old Pentium 75 with 24 MB and a stone-age Trident graphics adapter or some such, and then spout off to tell how "bad" Linux performs compared to their Windows system (which of course runs on an Athlon with 128 MB and a fancy-smancy graphics adapter). I've met that type of persons...
I think something like the Libretto was exactly what you were looking for - it was small portables with only 64 MB RAM and Pentium MMX processors, and a somewhat tiny LCD that could only do 800x480 or something like that - apart from the battery time. It was basically an x86-compatible, overpowered and horribly oversized PDA that could run Windows (don't know about Linux, I newer saw it tested with a Linux configuration in hardware reviews :)
I don't think that it could run for days though...
I think it was discontinued because of lack of demand though, maybe because it's high price.
I couldn't find any links except from the Swedish site under "older computers" (infos in Swedish, but the specs should probably be globally understandable):
You weren't just judging based on the looks of screen shots, did you?
How could they? Last time I checked, Sun didn't own anything in Eazel.
Huh? Where did you get that from? The core gnome libraries (and gnome-core) are all LGPL, for maximum flexibility in licensing when you build something on top of GNOME.
Huh... Don't you have/use paper recycling?
Case in point: I live in Sweden, and our banking system is naturally very similar to the Finnish one. I know for a fact that most of what the original Finnish poster said is true for Sweden too. The last check I recieved was several years ago, and it was expensive to check in.
Myself, I've used online banking for five years, and there has been surveys saying that half of the Swedish populace uses online banking for payments and money transfer.
Where's your facts?
You can't argue that Red hat Linux isn't Linux.
You can argue, however, and on good grounds, that Linux isn't just Red Hat.
Hence, the petition should say Linux is not Red Hat and not Red Hat is not Linux. There is a difference there, one that makes me wonder how people can support Red Hat is not Linux as that statement itself is obviously false.
I decided to try Mandrake 6.2 or so but got so utterly disappointed with their broken GNOME, so I switched back to Red Hat. Haven't regretted it since.