Opps. my bad. Actually, Prof. Snow and the boys were indeed the leaders of the convergence movement. The article I was thniking of was actually written by Key Dismukes and John Jonides in 1989 -
("Project 2061: A Place To Start Educating The Public," The Scientist, Aug. 7, 1989, page 11
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|--- checks URL. Is this Slashdot or Wired? Hmmm, loose connections used to base a point of view towards an inconsistent conclusion. Well, this is either a Wired article ripped off from some old 1996 issue or Katz is sniffing the glue that keeps his iMac together. Katz, this "two cultures" stuff is older than me! Surely we can try... just a little, to push past the same old academic rhetoric into a truthful exploration of the real sociological and... oh never mind.
Weren't Dismukes and Jonides the original essayists on this issue in the 60s? Wasn't Snow merely part o that "movement" to get science and social arts/humanities to converge. The point being to have more American scientists. You know, like the evil commies.
Digital technology may have lots of artists in the industry. But that's only because we cannot get work drawing anymore. Computers do that now. Sociological convergence of arts and sciences happens in the work place, not school or the home. Something Prof. Snow and the lads tried desperately to do in the 1960s. Were they successful? Well, some scientists got on Johnny Carson.
But I cannot help but feel this is yet another zig zag from the truth, a common flaw in some columns. Follow the money. Don't you think money is THE factor in all sociological trends? You better believe it.
It's not about smut, stealing credit cards, etc. It's about Enron and Imperialism. Technology is just another "thing" to make money. No one ever created a network or a program or a computer for the good of humankind. Ever. Scientists, like artists, work for a patron. The only difference is that no one ever nuked a city with a painting. Digital Technology is mealy another product used to create and control markets. Art and science have nothing to do with these things yet it's forced to use these "tools" whether they do the job better than a slide rule or not. It is my humble opinion that talking about the separate nature and/or possible convergence of the arts and sciences is a mote point as money will always control every aspect of each.
Leonardo da Vinci, Monet, H.G.Wells, and all the rest were generally forgotten except for a privileged few in academic circles. Their impact can only be slightly felt these days as their accomplishments are attributed to government agencies and patent holders almost as much as the pyramids are thought to be built by f*cking aliens.
Thanks for another article that states the same things people read in the 1960s! This is progress I suppose...
"For some obscure reason, this was first reported in the Irish Times today."" Why, oh why, doesn't Slashdot post my submitions? Europe has been buzzing with this and other patent cases involving Microsoft. Microsoft recently failed to pay the measly $600,000 to the poor french couple who sold everything they have to fight for thier rights against Microsoft. They won! But Slahsdot doesn't report these things when I, a long time and loyal reader, submit.
Yet again, the Slashdotter postings are not what one would expect from IT vets. Like me. No, you seem to have no idea what rights you have as a worker in the public sector. Nor are you aware of the realities of working period, let alone this industry. Instead, there is post after post attacking the guy who lost his job.
You people are really something.
Having worked in this industry for over 6 years. There is no job protection. There are no solid companies. There are no standards in the entire industry for anything let alone employment standards. There is no regulation at all morons. Managers regularly fire staff for fun. Whole companies have been robbed blind by the people who created it (Enron, being the most recent example, wasn't the only one and not the last).
The funniest thing is hearing the low office *gasp* of those people watching their companies stock die one day. This is much more common in the IT industry than any other, though obviously there are parallels. You are all afloat on a sea of stocks and quarters and market. Feigning any sort of personal control only makes you look like the mark that IT manager took you for.
I got moded into Flamebait so I thought I'd post again. It's the only way I can feel close to another human being.
This story is bad [sentence simplified for/. readers] We see a bit of "geek news" on Slashdot. Movies or authors who's work has inspired geeks and nerds for a generation. Star Wars included. However, posting a story about a fake/stolen script is not proper. If you were a journalism student, you would be suspended if not kicked out entirely. Instead, the/. geeks have posted all their inane opinions regarding the so called stories merits! Grow up!
How about this opinion. You are all participating in the destruction of the Star Wars stories. Way ta go Slashdot. [sarcastic remarks left in]
This is what the SEC spends it's money on? How about arresting thieves from Enron for a change? Don't say they didn't know, they did, they do, they are. Don't be fooled.
So this is what passes for news on Slashdot eh. Having been a reader for 3 years, I can honestly say this is the worst posting I've ever seen. Salacious yellow news is not why I came to Slashdot years ago, I came because there were many Open Source programmers posting here, giving out insight and information about tech issues of the day, completely free I might add. Now, Slashdot has become a marketing project for certain companies and links to less than probing stories, if not utter crap like this story. The kind Editors refer to as filler. I noticed even Jon Katz has lost his fire.
Problem: I work for a company that promotes and offers Microsoft software and features as a web hosting and VB developement.
Now, what do I tell my clients? Well, having worked in the IT industry for some years, I'm sure we, that is, we in the IT industry, will tell our customers the same thing we've been telling them from the beginning when we began this whole Internet/software/etc. cash cow that is 30% of the national GOP.
It works
It's secure.
You can't sue me anyway.
HAHAHA, can't sue Microsoft! So shut up and pay me the money. Secure or not, I have your business by the nads.
Can't anyone come up with a better business model than this???
I keep telling you guys, digital sucks! SPACE here in Toronto broadcasts their signal digitally. I love SPACE, except when the broadcast freezes an image, to lower the bits sent on the limited bandwidth, it lags once something moves on the screen. This is actually a feature to save bandwidth. Lucky me! *snark* How about presenting my TV show without washed out colour, banding, and lag?
If you call the cable company, they laugh at you, if you call the TV station, they don't even answer.
the faint sound of the customers vioce...
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Wired Talks Wine
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please... please help. Software should run on an OS. IF it doesn't, it's a monopoly. Which is illeg... *BLAM*sound of lone gunman
From what I see posted here, it's all negative. Shouldn't this be a positive thing? It's stupid, it won't work, Microsoft will change the formats too fast. Linux apps aren't innovative enough. I'd rather pay for the Windows, it works. Sorta. I'm not worried about the license agreement. And the software, well it's thousands of dollars but it's pretty good. That Unix isn't nearly as user friendly. You need a Science Degree to admin it.
It's the new Wine! 1.0 Brothers and Sisters. Nothing positive to be said on/. about that? hmmm? Come on. It let's Windows software run on Linux. And you talk like it's a crime of some sort. I'm pretty sure it works, unless the coders are all half way to Guam out of embarrassment.
Microsoft has shown a pattern that's well known with changing file formats and APIs, etc. Not to mention it's tactics. I mean, this is why they were brought up to the DOJ right? It would be great if Microsoft didn't try to change the playing field every two years, this might help a generation of software to be born. Meanwhile, everyone is busy learning how to get their old software to work on the new Windows... which ever new one you have.;p
Imagine if aliens took over the planet disquised as these things like TV that we would use for everything from work, watching movies, phone, Internet, and turn us all into screen zombies. And take over the world!!!
Why does no one in America talk about the Softimage case? You know, the French couple who mortgaged their business, lives, and home just to defend their rights against Micro$oft... and WON! 'Course, M$ still has yet to pay up the piddly amount of cash. This column has links to and explains the reasons why fighting M$ is a death knell for any company (or perhaps Supreme Court Judge *snark*)
Oh yea, Slashdot rejected this story. Hmmm...
Re:Hollywood crap - open your mind!
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A Beautiful Mind
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No way? I stand corrected. Good for Ron. But... still think he has no idea how to tell a story more complicated than an episode of Happy Days.
Hollywood crap - open your mind!
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A Beautiful Mind
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· Score: 0, Flamebait
So this movie is primed to win the Oscar over Lord of the Rings. After the jingoistic trash of Black Hawk Down, a disgusting propaganda film, we get this watered down crap from Ron "What em worry?" Cunningham.
Just goes to prove that all the money for art is in Hollywood, but none of the talent.
You're being far too logical. Your explaining the obvious to these posters. If there is one thing I have learned about/. readers (aside from the Microsoft plants and various Marketing sharks swimming around the Net surf), it's that they are excellent programmers.
When something bad happens, blame Canada! Or something like that.
Hmm, not that I read the article, it's standard stuff really, but I feel the need to point out that this is a typically polemic response to violence. After all, you can possibly blame violence on the parents, or the school, etc. It would be slander and no one makes any money. Not very American is it? Now, if one blames the video games... well that's a valuable law suit.:)
Everyone here has been posting "It is possible!" and how people do rise above their "lot in life". Yea, you guys are right. Lots of people do. Lots of people have parents, friends, resources, money, health, etc.
You guys are all young and talented, I'm sure. It's great to live in country that has opportunities.
But... not... everyone... has that opportunity, for whatever reason. Not a lot of single Moms in IT, for example. Bet you never thought about a woman's opportunities in IT - did ya?
I mean, what are ya saying... this is as good as it gets so get used to it? Those low paying positions don't deserve stability? What if there just isn't enough room in the high positions? Gee, that never happens. Are you just saying fuck the doomed?
Let me quantify the above by stating that; in the past two decades we have seen a reversal of employment law and folding of government to the business lobby.
For example, Ontario, where I live, currently has changed employment law to such a frightening degree that it has been compared to the state of employment law from 1884! Not kidding at all.
I'm sure similar things are happening in the U.S. Hard to tell from CNN *chuckle*
Yet in Ontario, you cannot get welfare unless you work. It's called workfare and it's actually illegal under the U.N. Human Rights laws. Thanks anyway Eleanor Roosevelt, but greed comes first.:(
Slashdot Mirror
You make an international phone call, and the military will know. Trust me.
It's nice to know we live in a world with computers, the Internet, cars, planes, shuttles, etc., but I could do without the fear.
Opps. my bad. Actually, Prof. Snow and the boys were indeed the leaders of the convergence movement. The article I was thniking of was actually written by Key Dismukes and John Jonides in 1989 -
("Project 2061: A Place To Start Educating The Public," The Scientist, Aug. 7, 1989, page 11
^
|--- checks URL. Is this Slashdot or Wired? Hmmm, loose connections used to base a point of view towards an inconsistent conclusion. Well, this is either a Wired article ripped off from some old 1996 issue or Katz is sniffing the glue that keeps his iMac together. Katz, this "two cultures" stuff is older than me! Surely we can try... just a little, to push past the same old academic rhetoric into a truthful exploration of the real sociological and... oh never mind.
Weren't Dismukes and Jonides the original essayists on this issue in the 60s? Wasn't Snow merely part o that "movement" to get science and social arts/humanities to converge. The point being to have more American scientists. You know, like the evil commies.
Digital technology may have lots of artists in the industry. But that's only because we cannot get work drawing anymore. Computers do that now. Sociological convergence of arts and sciences happens in the work place, not school or the home. Something Prof. Snow and the lads tried desperately to do in the 1960s. Were they successful? Well, some scientists got on Johnny Carson.
But I cannot help but feel this is yet another zig zag from the truth, a common flaw in some columns. Follow the money. Don't you think money is THE factor in all sociological trends? You better believe it.
It's not about smut, stealing credit cards, etc. It's about Enron and Imperialism. Technology is just another "thing" to make money. No one ever created a network or a program or a computer for the good of humankind. Ever. Scientists, like artists, work for a patron. The only difference is that no one ever nuked a city with a painting. Digital Technology is mealy another product used to create and control markets. Art and science have nothing to do with these things yet it's forced to use these "tools" whether they do the job better than a slide rule or not. It is my humble opinion that talking about the separate nature and/or possible convergence of the arts and sciences is a mote point as money will always control every aspect of each.
Leonardo da Vinci, Monet, H.G.Wells, and all the rest were generally forgotten except for a privileged few in academic circles. Their impact can only be slightly felt these days as their accomplishments are attributed to government agencies and patent holders almost as much as the pyramids are thought to be built by f*cking aliens.
Thanks for another article that states the same things people read in the 1960s! This is progress I suppose...
"For some obscure reason, this was first reported in the Irish Times today.""
Why, oh why, doesn't Slashdot post my submitions? Europe has been buzzing with this and other patent cases involving Microsoft. Microsoft recently failed to pay the measly $600,000 to the poor french couple who sold everything they have to fight for thier rights against Microsoft. They won! But Slahsdot doesn't report these things when I, a long time and loyal reader, submit.
It's the Softimage case morons.
Here, try actual journalism Slashdotters.
The Washington Post
The Young And the Jobless
By Carrie Johnson,
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, February 11, 2002
Yet again, the Slashdotter postings are not what one would expect from IT vets. Like me. No, you seem to have no idea what rights you have as a worker in the public sector. Nor are you aware of the realities of working period, let alone this industry. Instead, there is post after post attacking the guy who lost his job.
You people are really something.
Having worked in this industry for over 6 years. There is no job protection. There are no solid companies. There are no standards in the entire industry for anything let alone employment standards. There is no regulation at all morons. Managers regularly fire staff for fun. Whole companies have been robbed blind by the people who created it (Enron, being the most recent example, wasn't the only one and not the last).
The funniest thing is hearing the low office *gasp* of those people watching their companies stock die one day. This is much more common in the IT industry than any other, though obviously there are parallels. You are all afloat on a sea of stocks and quarters and market. Feigning any sort of personal control only makes you look like the mark that IT manager took you for.
Say, why don't the TV networks, umm... build a network? ;-D
I got moded into Flamebait so I thought I'd post again. It's the only way I can feel close to another human being.
/. readers] We see a bit of "geek news" on Slashdot. Movies or authors who's work has inspired geeks and nerds for a generation. Star Wars included. However, posting a story about a fake/stolen script is not proper. If you were a journalism student, you would be suspended if not kicked out entirely. Instead, the /. geeks have posted all their inane opinions regarding the so called stories merits! Grow up!
This story is bad [sentence simplified for
How about this opinion. You are all participating in the destruction of the Star Wars stories. Way ta go Slashdot. [sarcastic remarks left in]
This is what the SEC spends it's money on? How about arresting thieves from Enron for a change? Don't say they didn't know, they did, they do, they are. Don't be fooled.
So this is what passes for news on Slashdot eh. Having been a reader for 3 years, I can honestly say this is the worst posting I've ever seen. Salacious yellow news is not why I came to Slashdot years ago, I came because there were many Open Source programmers posting here, giving out insight and information about tech issues of the day, completely free I might add. Now, Slashdot has become a marketing project for certain companies and links to less than probing stories, if not utter crap like this story. The kind Editors refer to as filler. I noticed even Jon Katz has lost his fire.
Slashdot is really going downhill.
Problem: I work for a company that promotes and offers Microsoft software and features as a web hosting and VB developement.
Now, what do I tell my clients? Well, having worked in the IT industry for some years, I'm sure we, that is, we in the IT industry, will tell our customers the same thing we've been telling them from the beginning when we began this whole Internet/software/etc. cash cow that is 30% of the national GOP.
It works
It's secure.
You can't sue me anyway.
HAHAHA, can't sue Microsoft!
So shut up and pay me the money. Secure or not, I have your business by the nads.
Can't anyone come up with a better business model than this???
I keep telling you guys, digital sucks! SPACE here in Toronto broadcasts their signal digitally. I love SPACE, except when the broadcast freezes an image, to lower the bits sent on the limited bandwidth, it lags once something moves on the screen. This is actually a feature to save bandwidth. Lucky me! *snark* How about presenting my TV show without washed out colour, banding, and lag?
If you call the cable company, they laugh at you, if you call the TV station, they don't even answer.
please... please help. Software should run on an OS. IF it doesn't, it's a monopoly. Which is illeg... *BLAM* sound of lone gunman
/. about that? hmmm? Come on. It let's Windows software run on Linux. And you talk like it's a crime of some sort. I'm pretty sure it works, unless the coders are all half way to Guam out of embarrassment.
;p
From what I see posted here, it's all negative. Shouldn't this be a positive thing? It's stupid, it won't work, Microsoft will change the formats too fast. Linux apps aren't innovative enough. I'd rather pay for the Windows, it works. Sorta. I'm not worried about the license agreement. And the software, well it's thousands of dollars but it's pretty good. That Unix isn't nearly as user friendly. You need a Science Degree to admin it.
It's the new Wine! 1.0 Brothers and Sisters. Nothing positive to be said on
Microsoft has shown a pattern that's well known with changing file formats and APIs, etc. Not to mention it's tactics. I mean, this is why they were brought up to the DOJ right? It would be great if Microsoft didn't try to change the playing field every two years, this might help a generation of software to be born. Meanwhile, everyone is busy learning how to get their old software to work on the new Windows... which ever new one you have.
Imagine if aliens took over the planet disquised as these things like TV that we would use for everything from work, watching movies, phone, Internet, and turn us all into screen zombies. And take over the world!!!
;-D
It could happen.
Why does no one in America talk about the Softimage case? You know, the French couple who mortgaged their business, lives, and home just to defend their rights against Micro$oft... and WON! 'Course, M$ still has yet to pay up the piddly amount of cash. This column has links to and explains the reasons why fighting M$ is a death knell for any company (or perhaps Supreme Court Judge *snark*)
Oh yea, Slashdot rejected this story. Hmmm...
Cyberia by Jack Kapica
No way? I stand corrected. Good for Ron. But... still think he has no idea how to tell a story more complicated than an episode of Happy Days.
So this movie is primed to win the Oscar over Lord of the Rings. After the jingoistic trash of Black Hawk Down, a disgusting propaganda film, we get this watered down crap from Ron "What em worry?" Cunningham.
Just goes to prove that all the money for art is in Hollywood, but none of the talent.
You are a fool. $100,000 a year... yea...
You're being far too logical. Your explaining the obvious to these posters. If there is one thing I have learned about /. readers (aside from the Microsoft plants and various Marketing sharks swimming around the Net surf), it's that they are excellent programmers.
When something bad happens, blame Canada! Or something like that.
:)
Hmm, not that I read the article, it's standard stuff really, but I feel the need to point out that this is a typically polemic response to violence. After all, you can possibly blame violence on the parents, or the school, etc. It would be slander and no one makes any money. Not very American is it? Now, if one blames the video games... well that's a valuable law suit.
Attack of the Krauts?
HAHAHA. *ROTFL* Pretty much makes my point. Wish I read this before posting earlier today. ;p
:)
This Modern World
@ Salon.com if your wondering.
Everyone here has been posting "It is possible!" and how people do rise above their "lot in life". Yea, you guys are right. Lots of people do. Lots of people have parents, friends, resources, money, health, etc.
... not... everyone... has that opportunity, for whatever reason. Not a lot of single Moms in IT, for example. Bet you never thought about a woman's opportunities in IT - did ya?
You guys are all young and talented, I'm sure. It's great to live in country that has opportunities.
But
I mean, what are ya saying... this is as good as it gets so get used to it? Those low paying positions don't deserve stability? What if there just isn't enough room in the high positions? Gee, that never happens. Are you just saying fuck the doomed?
Let me quantify the above by stating that; in the past two decades we have seen a reversal of employment law and folding of government to the business lobby.
For example, Ontario, where I live, currently has changed employment law to such a frightening degree that it has been compared to the state of employment law from 1884! Not kidding at all.
I'm sure similar things are happening in the U.S. Hard to tell from CNN *chuckle*
Yet in Ontario, you cannot get welfare unless you work. It's called workfare and it's actually illegal under the U.N. Human Rights laws. Thanks anyway Eleanor Roosevelt, but greed comes first. :(