This needs to stop. I can't wait for long prison sentences for all of the people involved in this. It's like Anonymous tried to figure out how they could be even more evil, by exposing unsuspecting randoms to identity theft risk "because they can." It's no longer making a statement, it's the online equivalent of a gang of punks going around smashing in car windows and robbing old ladies of their social security when they leave the ATM.
Only one thing will come of all this, and honestly I'm damn near the point of embracing it instead of fighting it: severe restrictions on Internet freedom and intense monitoring and logging by ISPs and the Government. I want my game servers to be up, I want my credit card information not to be stolen, and if I look at pornography I want that fact to be between me and my hand and not posted to a web site. The Internet should be a place of freedom, but this isn't freedom, it's anarchy and if the choices are between a regulated Internet relatively free of this kind of malicious disruption of innocent bystanders or the "Wild West" over a fiber optic link, I'm just going to have to take the former.
Your mother should apologize to humanity for giving you birth.
You have led a sheltered life if you have to ask that question. As phucked up as US foreign policy is, the US is still the lesser of all the available evils. At least here in the US, we can (and do) speak out about our policies. Try that in China.
What's the point of repeating this concept every day? That's pretty much all you can do right now. Talk.
Half of what you posted as "not allowed" should stay that way, such as sharing knowledge of how to make a bomb. Though, you do have a point on some of those.
Given the number of breaches (most unreported ones by employees and former employees), it seems that hosting it elsewhere is the least of our problems. In fact, if done right, it's likely that it's more secure elsewhere because that makes it harder for the number 1 breacher (employees) to get to it.
If done right, you can host it yourself too.
What makes you think that employee in that 'could' company is not going to try to get it?
The fact that they are committing crimes against someone you hate cannot justify those crimes. Indeed it must not, because turning a blind eye to crime just because you don't like the victim leads to mob rule. It is the antithesis of the rule of law on which our society is founded, which protects our rights as well as Sony's. That's one slope that history has proven time and time again to be very slippery indeed.
Tell me, what happens if you install few thousand rootkits on peoples' computers? And what happens when Sony does it?
Sorry, you were talking about "your rights", weren't you?
People don't like the "victim" because victim is not held responsible for its crimes. It's only natural.
I wonder if they realize the only people they really hurt by doing this is the average gamer who just wants to play a video game and doesn't give a crap about "jailbreaking" their PS3.
Ah, right.
So, because what Sony is doing does not affect 'average gamer' but only small group of people, then it is okay?
Case in point - I've been pro open source, anti IP laws, anti harsh pirating / copying fines for a very long time. I'm pretty liberal and I don't like big corporations. But this shit just pisses me off. They don't like Sony so they fuck over the services that millions of paying customers are using and expose all their personal details? What a pack of pricks. That ain't cool, that's fucked up and selfish.
Ok. And what other method you would suggest those people use, for them to be heard and for those (exposed, etc) customers to actually start voicing their concerns?
You do realize this is all about making a statement?
Maybe they should write a blog about how bad Sony is?
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Stop with this the King is a nice guy propaganda bullshit. The Thai might like to have a dictator in power and that's their problem but he's not a powerless king that loves his people. He's a politician like every other.
Haha, another internet wikipedia detective saving the world.
This isn't 2002, and the fact that neither party is trying to capitalize on this issue before and election (like the Republicans did before 2002) should give you some indication about how serious Congress actually takes the law. They aren't giving a shit what you think, probably because they believe that the law is necessary for the continued monitoring of suspected terrorists. What evidence do you have the the law has been ineffective? There hasn't been an attack in the 10 years since, and I'm extremely skeptical that the Patriot Act didn't play a large part in that. Do you really think otherwise?
Hahaha. Nice trolling:)
I mean, it has to be a troll, because noone could be this stupid...
No, genius. Most Muslims are not terrorists. But most terrorists *are* Muslim. Given those two facts, if you're trying to catch a terrorist, who do you look for? Do you just randomly flail around pretending there is equally as much chance that the Greek Orthodox priest standing in line is a terrorist as the Saudi Muslim standing beside him?
Would you consider the acting of US military in Iraq and Afghanistan as act of 'terrorism'?
Now go and ask people in Iraq and Afghanistan that same question.
Have you seen a lot of white Christian suicide bombers and terrorists lately? Because aside from Tim McVeigh and a few nutbags bombing abortion clinics, I haven't seen many of them in the last 20 years. Even the IRA put its C-4 away a long time ago.
Methinks the fact that pretty much every suicide bomber and terrorist these days is a Muslim *might* just suggest a pattern. But then, granted, I'm no Batman-level detective or anything.
Go ask people in Iraq and Afghanistan if they have seen any white terrorists lately.
I sincerely hope that China "balances out" the USA by invading whatever shithole you live in. Fucks like you are the first to blame the USA when they *don't" intervene. If it was not for our intervening, you'd be eating some sort of sauerkraut/sushi mix for breakfast every day.
Dumbass. I doubt there would be a single democracy on the planet were it not for the USA.
And then you wonder why people think yanks are mostly retards.
The problem is foxconn while notable is better than many other places because Apple is forcing them to step up. you don't hear about Acer's companies or another's because they are generally doing nothing.
Okay, so tell us more about Acer's companies, then. We are dying to find out that dirt.
The Wired article a published a month or two ago claims that the suicide rate at American colleges is higher than at Foxconn. According to Wikipedia, the suicide rate per 100,000 persons in the US is 11.1, and according to the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention, there are between 8 and 25 suicide attempts for every reported suicide death. That gives us an attempted suicide rate of around 88 or 89 per 100,000 people.
Looking at the information on Foxconn in the linked article, it would appear that the attempted suicide rate is somewhere around 12 per 100,000 for the first part of 2010. That would come out to maybe 36 per 100,000 for the whole year?
Maybe the headline should be: Making iPads in a Chinese Factory Is Truly Awful, But You're Much More Likely to Kill Yourself if You go to College in the US.
TJX's stock is up 100% since 2006 when the breach occurred. http://www.google.com/finance?q=tjx Point being is, if nothing seriously negative happens to Sony then it's no wonder that firms continue to have poor security practices. After all, why bother spending the effort and money to secure data when there is no return on the investment?
Many years ago, I was in a meeting with heads of a bank, discussing their need for penetration testing, auditing, etc.
So, after all that talk, one guy simply asks:
"Why would we spend dozens and hundreds of thousands of dollars on security services/products/staff, when it costs us 200 dollars to issue few press releases that claim how no valuable data was lost, and everything will be just fine?"
I had no answer to this.
That's why in 2011. we are witnessing things like this.
That's why in 2011, Sony will still be determined to be PCI/DSS compliant, although they probably don't satisfy 50%-70% of requirements.
It's because they don't give a fuck and don't care. There is nothing you/we can do to them, they are on the top of the food chain.
Because humans are greedy, like flashy toys and are too blind to see what's happening in front of their eyes.
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This needs to stop. I can't wait for long prison sentences for all of the people involved in this. It's like Anonymous tried to figure out how they could be even more evil, by exposing unsuspecting randoms to identity theft risk "because they can." It's no longer making a statement, it's the online equivalent of a gang of punks going around smashing in car windows and robbing old ladies of their social security when they leave the ATM.
Only one thing will come of all this, and honestly I'm damn near the point of embracing it instead of fighting it: severe restrictions on Internet freedom and intense monitoring and logging by ISPs and the Government. I want my game servers to be up, I want my credit card information not to be stolen, and if I look at pornography I want that fact to be between me and my hand and not posted to a web site. The Internet should be a place of freedom, but this isn't freedom, it's anarchy and if the choices are between a regulated Internet relatively free of this kind of malicious disruption of innocent bystanders or the "Wild West" over a fiber optic link, I'm just going to have to take the former.
Your mother should apologize to humanity for giving you birth.
Surely, China could see this as an act of war, since it can be considered as an attack on its Internet infrastructure ;)
You have led a sheltered life if you have to ask that question. As phucked up as US foreign policy is, the US is still the lesser of all the available evils. At least here in the US, we can (and do) speak out about our policies. Try that in China.
What's the point of repeating this concept every day? That's pretty much all you can do right now. Talk.
Everything else is controlled.
Half of what you posted as "not allowed" should stay that way, such as sharing knowledge of how to make a bomb. Though, you do have a point on some of those.
You can't be serious.
If you are, though, it's too late for you.
Honestly, Apple freaks are worse than Amiga freaks (and I used to be Amiga freak of worst kind).
And that is not a compliment.
Given the number of breaches (most unreported ones by employees and former employees), it seems that hosting it elsewhere is the least of our problems. In fact, if done right, it's likely that it's more secure elsewhere because that makes it harder for the number 1 breacher (employees) to get to it.
If done right, you can host it yourself too.
What makes you think that employee in that 'could' company is not going to try to get it?
The fact that they are committing crimes against someone you hate cannot justify those crimes. Indeed it must not, because turning a blind eye to crime just because you don't like the victim leads to mob rule. It is the antithesis of the rule of law on which our society is founded, which protects our rights as well as Sony's. That's one slope that history has proven time and time again to be very slippery indeed.
Tell me, what happens if you install few thousand rootkits on peoples' computers? And what happens when Sony does it?
Sorry, you were talking about "your rights", weren't you?
People don't like the "victim" because victim is not held responsible for its crimes. It's only natural.
... and remember, Li Peng's still alive. There's still time for a trial in the Hague...
Oh, haha, I forgot, he has power and influence.
Yeah. Same like Clinton, Blair, Bush, ...
I wonder if they realize the only people they really hurt by doing this is the average gamer who just wants to play a video game and doesn't give a crap about "jailbreaking" their PS3.
Ah, right.
So, because what Sony is doing does not affect 'average gamer' but only small group of people, then it is okay?
I see.
Case in point - I've been pro open source, anti IP laws, anti harsh pirating / copying fines for a very long time. I'm pretty liberal and I don't like big corporations. But this shit just pisses me off. They don't like Sony so they fuck over the services that millions of paying customers are using and expose all their personal details? What a pack of pricks. That ain't cool, that's fucked up and selfish.
Ok. And what other method you would suggest those people use, for them to be heard and for those (exposed, etc) customers to actually start voicing their concerns?
You do realize this is all about making a statement?
Maybe they should write a blog about how bad Sony is?
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Sorry. Not even close to Skype.
Well, if its state sponsored, i have to agree. An attack on a countries infrastructure is still war.
So, USA is in war with Pakistan for quite some time now?
...that netted billions of dollars for pharmaceutical cartels that sold H1N1 vaccine?
They've lost their credibility. All because of few dollars and corruption.
If Activision gives the game for free, then this might even work.
Heh. I am sure it will happen.
Stop with this the King is a nice guy propaganda bullshit. The Thai might like to have a dictator in power and that's their problem but he's not a powerless king that loves his people. He's a politician like every other.
Haha, another internet wikipedia detective saving the world.
This isn't 2002, and the fact that neither party is trying to capitalize on this issue before and election (like the Republicans did before 2002) should give you some indication about how serious Congress actually takes the law. They aren't giving a shit what you think, probably because they believe that the law is necessary for the continued monitoring of suspected terrorists. What evidence do you have the the law has been ineffective? There hasn't been an attack in the 10 years since, and I'm extremely skeptical that the Patriot Act didn't play a large part in that. Do you really think otherwise?
Hahaha. Nice trolling :)
I mean, it has to be a troll, because noone could be this stupid...
No, genius. Most Muslims are not terrorists. But most terrorists *are* Muslim. Given those two facts, if you're trying to catch a terrorist, who do you look for? Do you just randomly flail around pretending there is equally as much chance that the Greek Orthodox priest standing in line is a terrorist as the Saudi Muslim standing beside him?
Would you consider the acting of US military in Iraq and Afghanistan as act of 'terrorism'?
Now go and ask people in Iraq and Afghanistan that same question.
Thanks.
Have you seen a lot of white Christian suicide bombers and terrorists lately? Because aside from Tim McVeigh and a few nutbags bombing abortion clinics, I haven't seen many of them in the last 20 years. Even the IRA put its C-4 away a long time ago.
Methinks the fact that pretty much every suicide bomber and terrorist these days is a Muslim *might* just suggest a pattern. But then, granted, I'm no Batman-level detective or anything.
Go ask people in Iraq and Afghanistan if they have seen any white terrorists lately.
Let me know what they say.
I sincerely hope that China "balances out" the USA by invading whatever shithole you live in. Fucks like you are the first to blame the USA when they *don't" intervene. If it was not for our intervening, you'd be eating some sort of sauerkraut/sushi mix for breakfast every day.
Dumbass. I doubt there would be a single democracy on the planet were it not for the USA.
And then you wonder why people think yanks are mostly retards.
Sigh.
Now that Osama bin Fucktard is gone, it is time to take this police state back.
And you couldn't do that while Osama was alive because... ?
The problem is foxconn while notable is better than many other places because Apple is forcing them to step up. you don't hear about Acer's companies or another's because they are generally doing nothing.
Okay, so tell us more about Acer's companies, then. We are dying to find out that dirt.
The Wired article a published a month or two ago claims that the suicide rate at American colleges is higher than at Foxconn. According to Wikipedia, the suicide rate per 100,000 persons in the US is 11.1, and according to the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention, there are between 8 and 25 suicide attempts for every reported suicide death. That gives us an attempted suicide rate of around 88 or 89 per 100,000 people.
Looking at the information on Foxconn in the linked article, it would appear that the attempted suicide rate is somewhere around 12 per 100,000 for the first part of 2010. That would come out to maybe 36 per 100,000 for the whole year?
Maybe the headline should be: Making iPads in a Chinese Factory Is Truly Awful, But You're Much More Likely to Kill Yourself if You go to College in the US.
You are comparing a college with Foxconn?
You probably don't see any flaws there, do you?
If the CA is rigorous, trusted, then yes.
If you have a self-signed cert, like a lot of applications do, or a compromised CA... welcome to man in the middle.
I am really dying to hear how exactly are you going to do man-in-the-middle attack against my self-signed cert.
No, I really do.
Stop with that nonsense.
TJX's stock is up 100% since 2006 when the breach occurred. http://www.google.com/finance?q=tjx Point being is, if nothing seriously negative happens to Sony then it's no wonder that firms continue to have poor security practices. After all, why bother spending the effort and money to secure data when there is no return on the investment?
Many years ago, I was in a meeting with heads of a bank, discussing their need for penetration testing, auditing, etc.
So, after all that talk, one guy simply asks:
"Why would we spend dozens and hundreds of thousands of dollars on security services/products/staff, when it costs us 200 dollars to issue few press releases that claim how no valuable data was lost, and everything will be just fine?"
I had no answer to this.
That's why in 2011. we are witnessing things like this.
That's why in 2011, Sony will still be determined to be PCI/DSS compliant, although they probably don't satisfy 50%-70% of requirements.
It's because they don't give a fuck and don't care. There is nothing you/we can do to them, they are on the top of the food chain.
Because humans are greedy, like flashy toys and are too blind to see what's happening in front of their eyes.
Oh well, back to work :)
So, you peek into PS3 internals, you get slapped with lawsuits, police raids your home and they send army of lawyers after everyone.
Someone steals 77m accounts from Sony, all they have to say is basically...
Sorry?
Fuck you Sony.