In my experience (as a Finn) both small and large companies follow their "suggestions" without even complaining. I don't know why they have such power, it could be a desire to avoid getting on their public "blacklist" or maybe courts are very likely to come to the same conclusion. For instance, I got a washing machine replaced five years after the two-year-warranty had expired simply because I mentioned that I'll contact the consumer rights authorities, if they don't at least don't give me a substantial discount on a new one. I had a recollection, which turned out to be correct, that consumer rights authorities have guidelines for how long certain products are expected to last so that they at least function reasonably well. A warranty by manufacturers is only seen as an extension of what is required. That is, a warranty guarantees flawless operation whilst consumer rights authorities decide how long it's reasonable to be able to use a product you've bought. Once I also found an interesting statement by the consumer rights authorities, they said that you can essentially tell software companies to take their EULAs and shove them. So whenever I have a problem with a product I've bought, I certainly don't hesitate to contact them because companies do respect their decisions.
Thanks for making me check Finnish immigration rules, you bastard:)
And what would you rather that money go to? Wars overseas? Feeling up the few American kids who visit other countries? Keeping corrupt leaders in power?
"our taxes" have to go somewhere, do you want them being spent on your children, in the schools you attended as a child, or do you want it going elsewhere?
Lets face it, iPads are cheap, they are amazing, I've seen very young children using mine, its "magical" to them, they understand its technology, they learn how computers work from an early age, they use them to communicate with friends, the apps for education are MARVELLOUS and only getting better... and they are CHEAP!
You could probably use that money to pay for good professors, so you kids can actually learn something, and not turn out like idiots, as it's happening right now.
Oh silly me. Ignore me, just give out the toys, we need more retards in this world.
Samsung did knowingly put this software on the laptop to, as he put it, "monitor the performance of the machine and to find out how it is being used."
Do you think this was official Samsung statement, or customer's interpretation of some random answer he received from a random person (that probably had no idea what he was talking about, but wanted to get rid of annoying customer asap) in a random call center?
I actually can't believe this story was taken seriously for even a split second, considering complete lack of any research or evidence.
But importing Nike shoes made by 14 years old kid is perfectly fine, I guess. Or importing Uranium mined in Namibia or Nigeria, where workers are pretty much guaranteed to die. Or iPhones made by modern slaves in factories.
Good to see that America, the land of the free, has their priorities straight.
That's not what he's saying. The FBI don't target people without a reason. Nobody does anything without a reason.
For some reason the FBI felt he was worth following for a bit. I'm pretty certain they didn't arbitrarily pick him on a whim, or because he was a 20 year old community college student who has never done anything interesting. They had a reason. We don't know what it was.
The point is, noone knows what the reason was.
Usually it would be the judge deciding whether the reason was good enough, but since you guys live in police state now, you don't even need judges anymore.
I admire the way you've cited good solid research in your rebuttal. If you hadn't backed up your statements about why "people do it," your comments would have come across like just another angry sounding, defensive opinion from someone who likes to pirate entertainment.
Maybe you should start using your brain for a change, and stop expecting that everything is laid out in front of you, so that your tiny intellect could be satisfied.
Some things can not be 'cited', you monkey. Real world is not Wikipedia.
Those of us who aren't so anti-government realized this even earlier.
Each side tries to do what they think is best for America, whether that's promoting human rights, economic security, or international stability. Each administration tries to make decisions based on what they believe to be right. For advice in that regard, they turn to expert advisors (usually chosen for their general views, rather than opinions on specific issues) and the public. Of course, when only a tiny fraction of the public actually cares enough to state their opinion, the administration's ability to make an informed decision is severely crippled.
When was the last time you complained to your representatives about defense spending? Or the education budget? Or the overreaching power of the FBI? This is your government. Participate in it.
I can't quite figure out if this is a joke or a troll.
Ok, I spot someone that's never dealt with systems at the high end. There's a lot of prep work to unpicking things, and removing servers from secure areas, auditing them, planning to have them securely transferred and held in areas that are inaccessible with heavy physical security. Logged/scanned to provide proof of transit, vetting everyone who handles the data volumes. Ensuring you have all sources of the data, auditing the backups, and pulling all of those, so on, so forth. Everyone involved in this process will have to be security audited (most likely taken from an existing group of vetted people), and their services carry a premium. There is a huge difference between destroying the data on your home gaming machine, and the sheer detail involved in transport and destruction of sensitive governmental machines. £400k is actually a pretty lean number for dismantling the structure of this old project, considering that the infrastructure was sufficient to handle the predicted scale out to cover the entire UK population.
Oh my goodness! This sounds just like a job for a fucking law-enforcement agency, and not a crony private company.
It isn't simply about destroying the data, it's about making sure it is documented and verified. Same way that a small screw on an aeroplane will cost far more than the one you get in the shop even though they are same thing.
Ah, I see. So, the procedures used for destruction of drugs are not good enough? I mean, it doesn't get documented and drugs are obviously not destroyed good enough.
But I am sure that private cronie company is much better in documentation and following strict procedures than a law enforcement agency.
I see. Your logic is flawless.
You still didn't answer me - how is the data then supposed to be destroyed "correctly", according to you?
Personally as a UK citizen I'd much rather they paid someone who knew what they were doing to do it properly than just "wiped the disks".
For a start, you do realise that for data like this destruction of the physical storage medium is a requirement, right? (It's right there in the article)
Obviously, reliable destruction of data costs 400,000 GBP, right?. Please, don't be silly. It's really amusing how people are trying to justify silly things politicians are obviously doing to setup cash for their cronies.
Do you know how seized drugs are often destroyed?
Blast furnace.
Please tell me which data storage medium will survive blast furnace?
And then tell me what can possibly cost 400,000 GBP.
For 400,000 GBP I can build a whole damn system which will reliably destroy data.
Ah. So, the identity of an undercover cop who is working to bust up an organized crime operation - that should be public, right? The location and identity of people in witness protection programs - definitely public need-to-know, right?
I am not sure if you are naturally dumb or too much TV made you the way you are, but undercover cops or witness-protection programs have nothing in common with government's need for secrecy.
I know it's hard concept to grasp, but try to make distinction between a law-enforcement agency and a government "business".
Please don't let your admiration for Assange's work with Wikileaks prevent you from taking seriously an accusation of rape. Rape is a serious crime, and accusations of rape need to be taken seriously, even if--perhaps especially if--they are made against people we otherwise consider to be heroic.
I don't really give a fuck about Assange, but I am impressed with your stupidity.
You realize that he is not being charged with rape, you drooling retard?
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There is a whole world out there who didn't even notice Amazon EC2 outage (me included).
Just sayin'.
In my experience (as a Finn) both small and large companies follow their "suggestions" without even complaining. I don't know why they have such power, it could be a desire to avoid getting on their public "blacklist" or maybe courts are very likely to come to the same conclusion. For instance, I got a washing machine replaced five years after the two-year-warranty had expired simply because I mentioned that I'll contact the consumer rights authorities, if they don't at least don't give me a substantial discount on a new one. I had a recollection, which turned out to be correct, that consumer rights authorities have guidelines for how long certain products are expected to last so that they at least function reasonably well. A warranty by manufacturers is only seen as an extension of what is required. That is, a warranty guarantees flawless operation whilst consumer rights authorities decide how long it's reasonable to be able to use a product you've bought. Once I also found an interesting statement by the consumer rights authorities, they said that you can essentially tell software companies to take their EULAs and shove them. So whenever I have a problem with a product I've bought, I certainly don't hesitate to contact them because companies do respect their decisions.
Thanks for making me check Finnish immigration rules, you bastard :)
I can draw a lot better on an iPad than any laptop.
I can create music easier on an iPad alone than with a laptop.
I can even creation movies a lot easier on an iPad than any netbook, or almost I daresay a normal laptop.
I bet you can make world peace with iPad too.
And what would you rather that money go to? Wars overseas? Feeling up the few American kids who visit other countries? Keeping corrupt leaders in power?
"our taxes" have to go somewhere, do you want them being spent on your children, in the schools you attended as a child, or do you want it going elsewhere?
Lets face it, iPads are cheap, they are amazing, I've seen very young children using mine, its "magical" to them, they understand its technology, they learn how computers work from an early age, they use them to communicate with friends, the apps for education are MARVELLOUS and only getting better... and they are CHEAP!
You could probably use that money to pay for good professors, so you kids can actually learn something, and not turn out like idiots, as it's happening right now.
Oh silly me. Ignore me, just give out the toys, we need more retards in this world.
The rest of the world has had caps since day one.
I have lived in 4 different countries in past 10 years.
I've never had any bandwidth caps, and had fully unlimited Internet (and never had a call from ISP, no matter how much bandwidth I spent).
So, what is that "rest of the world" you are talking about?
Australia and New Zealand are not really "the rest of the world".
Samsung did knowingly put this software on the laptop to, as he put it, "monitor the performance of the machine and to find out how it is being used."
Do you think this was official Samsung statement, or customer's interpretation of some random answer he received from a random person (that probably had no idea what he was talking about, but wanted to get rid of annoying customer asap) in a random call center?
I actually can't believe this story was taken seriously for even a split second, considering complete lack of any research or evidence.
Oh well, anything is news these days.
But importing Nike shoes made by 14 years old kid is perfectly fine, I guess. Or importing Uranium mined in Namibia or Nigeria, where workers are pretty much guaranteed to die. Or iPhones made by modern slaves in factories.
Good to see that America, the land of the free, has their priorities straight.
That's not what he's saying. The FBI don't target people without a reason. Nobody does anything without a reason.
For some reason the FBI felt he was worth following for a bit. I'm pretty certain they didn't arbitrarily pick him on a whim, or because he was a 20 year old community college student who has never done anything interesting. They had a reason. We don't know what it was.
The point is, noone knows what the reason was.
Usually it would be the judge deciding whether the reason was good enough, but since you guys live in police state now, you don't even need judges anymore.
Good luck, you will really need it.
If you want to see a better picture of why the FBI was interested in him, take a look at this following comment from the last time this was on slashdot:
http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1813728&cid=33839634
Right.
Facts from Wired article.
Hahahahaaaaaaa.
In 20+ years of working in UNIX environments, I've never met anyone who would reboot a UNIX box to 'fix' a problem or 'clean up' anything.
Maybe next time you should post an article about something a monkey typed on a computer. Would probably be worth reading more.
I admire the way you've cited good solid research in your rebuttal. If you hadn't backed up your statements about why "people do it," your comments would have come across like just another angry sounding, defensive opinion from someone who likes to pirate entertainment.
Maybe you should start using your brain for a change, and stop expecting that everything is laid out in front of you, so that your tiny intellect could be satisfied.
Some things can not be 'cited', you monkey. Real world is not Wikipedia.
ROFLCOPTER oh wait: http://nokiaplane.com/
Ok, thanks for making laugh like a lunatic, at 1AM :)
Those of us who aren't so anti-government realized this even earlier.
Each side tries to do what they think is best for America, whether that's promoting human rights, economic security, or international stability. Each administration tries to make decisions based on what they believe to be right. For advice in that regard, they turn to expert advisors (usually chosen for their general views, rather than opinions on specific issues) and the public. Of course, when only a tiny fraction of the public actually cares enough to state their opinion, the administration's ability to make an informed decision is severely crippled.
When was the last time you complained to your representatives about defense spending? Or the education budget? Or the overreaching power of the FBI? This is your government. Participate in it.
I can't quite figure out if this is a joke or a troll.
Ok, I spot someone that's never dealt with systems at the high end.
There's a lot of prep work to unpicking things, and removing servers from secure areas, auditing them, planning to have them securely transferred and held in areas that are inaccessible with heavy physical security.
Logged/scanned to provide proof of transit, vetting everyone who handles the data volumes. Ensuring you have all sources of the data, auditing the backups, and pulling all of those, so on, so forth.
Everyone involved in this process will have to be security audited (most likely taken from an existing group of vetted people), and their services carry a premium.
There is a huge difference between destroying the data on your home gaming machine, and the sheer detail involved in transport and destruction of sensitive governmental machines.
£400k is actually a pretty lean number for dismantling the structure of this old project, considering that the infrastructure was sufficient to handle the predicted scale out to cover the entire UK population.
Oh my goodness! This sounds just like a job for a fucking law-enforcement agency, and not a crony private company.
I am shocked!
It isn't simply about destroying the data, it's about making sure it is documented and verified. Same way that a small screw on an aeroplane will cost far more than the one you get in the shop even though they are same thing.
Ah, I see. So, the procedures used for destruction of drugs are not good enough? I mean, it doesn't get documented and drugs are obviously not destroyed good enough.
But I am sure that private cronie company is much better in documentation and following strict procedures than a law enforcement agency.
I see. Your logic is flawless.
You still didn't answer me - how is the data then supposed to be destroyed "correctly", according to you?
"Having IT wipe the disks" is not the way to do this.
And since you seem to know all about data destruction, please tell us what is the right way to do it.
Thanks.
And old tampons are flushed down the toilet. Chalk and cheese.
So, you are implying that data storage medium should not be destroyed reliably in blast furnace because... they're not the same as drugs?
Thus, it's wiser to spend 400,000 GBP to destroy them by doing exactly what?
Personally as a UK citizen I'd much rather they paid someone who knew what they were doing to do it properly than just "wiped the disks".
For a start, you do realise that for data like this destruction of the physical storage medium is a requirement, right? (It's right there in the article)
Obviously, reliable destruction of data costs 400,000 GBP, right?. Please, don't be silly. It's really amusing how people are trying to justify silly things politicians are obviously doing to setup cash for their cronies.
Do you know how seized drugs are often destroyed?
Blast furnace.
Please tell me which data storage medium will survive blast furnace?
And then tell me what can possibly cost 400,000 GBP.
For 400,000 GBP I can build a whole damn system which will reliably destroy data.
The real point is the fact Facebook actually has no real value.
Nice scam.
Indeed, Gun Crime is much, much worse in those countries where guns are banned.
Guns are banned in my country, and yet we have 1/1000th of gun crime that you have.
Your logic is flawless.
He is not acting like Bush, he is acting like an American president.
If that is how you imagine American president should act like, you people are in serious trouble.
Then they allow the exact same file to be uploaded again with a slightly different filename.
Gone is AloneInTheDark_87A81B2717B.zip, say hello to AloneInTheDark_87A81B2717C.zip
And they don't provide any means for copyright holders to prevent this.
Rapidshare may be legally right, morally they are very wrong.
I can only laugh at your moral(e) values.
We'll soon reach the point of no return.
Sooner than expected, though, but considering what these idiots are doing - it's not really a surprise.
It won't be pretty :(
Ah. So, the identity of an undercover cop who is working to bust up an organized crime operation - that should be public, right? The location and identity of people in witness protection programs - definitely public need-to-know, right?
I am not sure if you are naturally dumb or too much TV made you the way you are, but undercover cops or witness-protection programs have nothing in common with government's need for secrecy.
I know it's hard concept to grasp, but try to make distinction between a law-enforcement agency and a government "business".
Please don't let your admiration for Assange's work with Wikileaks prevent you from taking seriously an accusation of rape. Rape is a serious crime, and accusations of rape need to be taken seriously, even if--perhaps especially if--they are made against people we otherwise consider to be heroic.
I don't really give a fuck about Assange, but I am impressed with your stupidity.
You realize that he is not being charged with rape, you drooling retard?
Do people even READ these days, Jesus...