Because the CIA fired him for those very reasons. He's not a hero, he's just an attention whore like Assange. Both do things in the name of the moral high ground... yet utterly ignore the fact they do shit to harm all sorts of people.
I'd bet the only reason we heard about domestic spying FIRST from Snowden is because some newspaper reporter looking at the documents found them and wanted to run with it first, not because Snowden pointed it out. He's just another Bradley Manning, all pissed off he wasn't getting his way and determined to stick it to the man.
He is by definition a traitor and is just trying to use someone else's crimes (domestic spying by NSA and its ilk) to divert attention from his own treason.
Sure thing tiger.
What you wrote says nothing about Snowden, but says a lot about you.
Countries spy on each other all the time. Even allies. It has ever been thus, for centuries even. Heck, when I had a summer job at the DoD, we were sternly warned that spies can come from any country, and were provided a list of the current "hot spots." More than a couple close allies were up there in the rankings.
Why are people acting surprised or offended by this? This is what alphabet soup agencies do! Don't tell me that other governments agencies aren't doing the same thing. Intelligence agencies spy on everyone friend or foe. It's their job. The only real reason for shock about this is that they got *caught*.
Are you ok with thungs freely killing people and not being held accountable, because they work for governent?
No, this is pretty much normal spying. If you had a spy agency and didn't monitor other nations for strategic advantage, you'd wonder what the hell they were doing. I'm not saying it's unreasonable to be opposed, because moral objections are best objections, just that pretending it's bad spycraft is silly.
Breaking local and international laws is ok?
Breaking into networks, which US itself has declared to be an 'act of war', is ok with you?
Do you think people should be immune to rule of law just because they work in some government agency?
I can predict there will be a lot of posts by developers of other languages laughing at PHP while ignoring their own languages massive security failures in the often not so distant past. That is okay when for instance Ruby had their massive security hole or Java applets were kicked out of every browser, I giggled like a schoolgirl too.
But it sure was fun today to google some obscure function and be told php.net might harm your computer. Especially when you are having to fight management daily on some silly security measures you insisted on to protect your project that are so inconvenient and un-necessary because the project hasn't been hacked yet... sigh... do I have to point out that maybe it hasn't been broken into yet because I put the security measures in place? Or that it might simply not have been our turn yet? Nah... it must be because I am an idiot who sees script kiddies everywhere.
Security, if you do it right everyone thinks you have wasted your time and when you do it wrong, it is all your fault.
But at least the amazing pay, respect, job security and being the stuff all women dream about makes up for it...
Oh wait.
I can predict the future, I am going to die a bitter and angry nerd.
Exactly. We're not enemies with Mexico, but it's not a perfectly safe and stable relationship given the amount of violence on both sides of the border. If the US wants to check for drug cartel influence at the highest levels of the Mexican gov't, I don't care. NSA can spy outside our borders all it wants - go for it.
I am trying to undertand something.
Is it ok for US agencies to do illegal/criminal acts (that are dovered by domestic and foreign laws), on a daily basis and never be held responsible for it?
Would you like me to explain you where that leads?
Spying on foreign governments is pretty much the job description of the NSA. Spying on domestic communications is something they get away with, spying on foreign communications is what they were created to do.
I imagine the Mexican government will be publicly shocked to learn these details, but their counterintelligence teams have likely privately detected and thwarted other US hacking attempts.
US officials said how attacks on US networks are considered to be 'acts of war'.
NSA goes and attacks pretty much every corporate and/or government network known to man.
It's just NSA "doing their job", right? Not acts of war, by any chance?
wow. Just wow. You HAVE to live in either America or Europe. You obviously have no knowledge about Asia. Why do you think that vietnam is cuddlying up with USA these days? Why do you think that EVERY ASIAN NATION except China, North Korea, and sometimes Russia wants USA in on meetings for those areas? What do they know that an ignorant person like you does not know?
Interesting.
I've lived in Asia for 15 years, I'd really like to read more of your fiction stories.
Because, in all honestly, I have no idea what you are talking about.
Am I living in the right Asia? Or do I need to live in one located inside your imagination?
Although the idea that you can trust Chinese companies to not reveal info to their government is simply laughable.
What info? What is it that they can 'reveal'?
Are you aware of some backdoors in Huawei equipment which allow Huawei (or/and Chinese government) to remotely gain access to equipment + data? Otherwise, what is it that they can 'reveal'?
Share, please. I'd like to know about those backdoors too.
I'm an I.T. manager for a non-western company that has non-western defense contracts, one of those sort of conglomerates that does every activity under the sun. I doubt their ploy will actually work, we don't trust the US or the Chinese. It's a matter of "pick your poison". Still, anyone foolish enough to buy Huawei (Their firmware universally sucks, from modems to enterprise/service-level network and backhaul equipment) might be foolish enough to believe they're safer. In reality though, you're more at risk from the security exploits from Huawei's lazy half-assed programmers. I fear their coders more than any possible shadowy relationships.
And yet, there are hundreds of massive networks having Huawei equipment in core network. Imagine that, their networks actually still run very well, but of course their "firmware" sucks line is certainly very convincing.
You probably haven't even seen a Huawei enterprise switch.
Billions of Chinese cyberattacks per day on American companies are the issue. Planets trillions of miles away? Not so much. Any honest analysis shows that China is "borrowing" knowledge from the USA as fast as humanly possible. It's enough of a courtesy that we do indeed allow their citizens to study and work here. We've done a fair job of maintaining decent civil and trade relationships despite a strained rivalry. Beyond that, the Chinese government and military apparatus can always take some responsibility for improving the relationship further.
Considering the history of your country and behavior of your government, I seriously can not believe you are saying this with a straight face.
The entire Bitcoin concept is a shiny, hi-tech Ponzi scheme. Those that "invested" by spending CPU cycles (electricty) early made out. By design, no one else ever will unless, of course, they can steal the resources necessary to do the mining.
For some reason, you seem to only look at BitCoin as some kind of an 'investment' tool.
No wonder you see Ponzi schemes everywhere if fast buck is all you care about.
I don't know why everyone on slashdot has remained so deluded about Nokia's potential future had Elop not taken those actions. They were not competitive, and their prospects were poor.
No real excuse for this. This is exactly what network IDS/IPS programs/appliances are for.
Any data center dealing with sensitive information should have an IDS/IPS installation which should have shut down nbc.exe's access out to the Internet, or at least raised a red flag in Splunk or whatever logging console application in use. Most data centers have a list of authorized IPs that internal sites communicate out to, and if some machine communicates to an IP repeatedly on a sensitive network, it would be investigated, or at the minimum, looked at. Multiple machines communicating encrypted data to site out on the Internet is something that IDS applications are designed to detect, and IPS offerings designed to cork until someone takes a look at it.
Security isn't rocket science. It is using basic concepts to compartmentalize information and applications to check for known/unknown attacks, and buying/using the tools needed.
I understand that you are all excited because you drew your first diagram or passed first exam of .
Disgusted with the poor state of Serbia's research output, I will now also scam a Romanian science journal.
Do you even understand what the story is there?
This "science journal" has nothing to do with science, they just print anything people pay them to print and call themselves a 'science journal'. This is how various 'scientists' meet their publishing quota.
By simply publishing shit in a "science journal", they keep their (state funded) privileges.
3 rebellious guys were tired of watching all those corrupted mediocres get away with it, so they managed to get complete nonsense published in this 'science journal' in order to prove that works published in this piece of shit have no value.
Things like this have been done for quite some time now, in many countries. There are quite few journals like this.
MS can also go after the premium market with the competitive advantage the Surface 2 Pro has -- the ability to run windows / desktop apps.
And this is exactly why MIcrosoft tablets are failing.
Why do you geniuses assume that people want to run Windows/desktop apps on their tablet?
Do you realize that majority of people have exactly what they want on tablets, and don't need 'desktop apps'?
Do you want Total Commander or ACDSee or AutoCAD running on your tablet? Which, exactly, are those 'desktop' applications that people can't wait to run on their tablets?
What really amazes me is how many people boldy say "I am ok with NSA spying", yet somehow they completely ignore that NSA personnel is breaking local and foreign laws.
Breaking into corporate/private networks and stealing sensitive data, which is a heavy crime in almost every 'modern' country. Crime for which US pressures other countries, to extradite their own citizens. To extradite them to the country that is the biggest cyber criminal in the world. Ooooh, the irony.
Considering how US asks for extradiction of people who were hacking US networks, are they gonna extradite NSA employees that have broken countless laws and hacked networks in many other countries?
I mean, will people be able to not start manically laughing next time USA asks for someone to be extradited because he/she broke some US law and/or hacked some US system(s)?
It makes it much easier to spy on your own citizens when you do that. They are just mad they don't have a piece of the action.
You are an idiot and you don't realize that NSA has been intercepting SMS messages (by means of breaking into mobile operator network(s) in Brazil) of Brazilian president. And probably much more (other targets were not named).
Where does that fit into?
War on terror? War on child pornography, perhaps?
Intercepting Brazilian oil company mails/traffic is required in order to fight... terrorism?
Americans still do not understand the consequences of their actions (well, NSA's and government actions). People have given their trust to US government and their agencies, and USA has betrayed them at all possible levels.
USA has now publicy said that they are ok with what NSA has been doing - things that USA themselves consider to be 'acts of war'.
I presume now everyone else will consider it to be okay too.
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... why can't they prevent that soldier boy Lee Rigby from being chopped to death in the Woolwich area of London, by two Moslems from Africa ?
In America too ... refugees from Somalia returned to Somalia to become terrorists
If the surveillances are so effective, why can't they prevent all these from happening ?
Because that is not why they are doing the surveillance.
the us invented it, did most of the work developing and deploying it, and funds most of the upkeep.
the rest of the world waited for it to be done, walked in, and started bitching.
Of course you're posting as anonymous cowards, since having your name attached to something like this would really hurt.
Because the CIA fired him for those very reasons. He's not a hero, he's just an attention whore like Assange. Both do things in the name of the moral high ground ... yet utterly ignore the fact they do shit to harm all sorts of people.
I'd bet the only reason we heard about domestic spying FIRST from Snowden is because some newspaper reporter looking at the documents found them and wanted to run with it first, not because Snowden pointed it out. He's just another Bradley Manning, all pissed off he wasn't getting his way and determined to stick it to the man.
He is by definition a traitor and is just trying to use someone else's crimes (domestic spying by NSA and its ilk) to divert attention from his own treason.
Sure thing tiger.
What you wrote says nothing about Snowden, but says a lot about you.
Countries spy on each other all the time. Even allies. It has ever been thus, for centuries even. Heck, when I had a summer job at the DoD, we were sternly warned that spies can come from any country, and were provided a list of the current "hot spots." More than a couple close allies were up there in the rankings.
You guys are trying really hard.
It doesn't work, though.
But keep trying.
Why are people acting surprised or offended by this? This is what alphabet soup agencies do! Don't tell me that other governments agencies aren't doing the same thing. Intelligence agencies spy on everyone friend or foe. It's their job. The only real reason for shock about this is that they got *caught*.
Are you ok with thungs freely killing people and not being held accountable, because they work for governent?
Just curious.
No, this is pretty much normal spying. If you had a spy agency and didn't monitor other nations for strategic advantage, you'd wonder what the hell they were doing. I'm not saying it's unreasonable to be opposed, because moral objections are best objections, just that pretending it's bad spycraft is silly.
Breaking local and international laws is ok?
Breaking into networks, which US itself has declared to be an 'act of war', is ok with you?
Do you think people should be immune to rule of law just because they work in some government agency?
I can predict there will be a lot of posts by developers of other languages laughing at PHP while ignoring their own languages massive security failures in the often not so distant past. That is okay when for instance Ruby had their massive security hole or Java applets were kicked out of every browser, I giggled like a schoolgirl too.
But it sure was fun today to google some obscure function and be told php.net might harm your computer. Especially when you are having to fight management daily on some silly security measures you insisted on to protect your project that are so inconvenient and un-necessary because the project hasn't been hacked yet... sigh... do I have to point out that maybe it hasn't been broken into yet because I put the security measures in place? Or that it might simply not have been our turn yet? Nah... it must be because I am an idiot who sees script kiddies everywhere.
Security, if you do it right everyone thinks you have wasted your time and when you do it wrong, it is all your fault.
But at least the amazing pay, respect, job security and being the stuff all women dream about makes up for it...
Oh wait.
I can predict the future, I am going to die a bitter and angry nerd.
I use Perl.
How do I fit in here?
I am shocked. Shocked! That a country--any country--would spy on a foreign head of state.
What a world we live in
What is shocking is that US governemnt has been crying how other countries are hacking it and said it will deem cyber attacks as acts of war.
Then, we get to learn that US has been doing these acts of war for years, indiscriminately, to both enemies and allies.
Moral high ground and all that.
So, is this the case where it's ok if US does it, but it's not ok if someone else does it?
...and which is available now for $199
https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=nexus_4_8gb
I think we're all in agreement that a moron wrote the "can't argue with the price" thing.
And whole world lives in the USA, of course.
Exactly. We're not enemies with Mexico, but it's not a perfectly safe and stable relationship given the amount of violence on both sides of the border. If the US wants to check for drug cartel influence at the highest levels of the Mexican gov't, I don't care. NSA can spy outside our borders all it wants - go for it.
I am trying to undertand something.
Is it ok for US agencies to do illegal/criminal acts (that are dovered by domestic and foreign laws), on a daily basis and never be held responsible for it?
Would you like me to explain you where that leads?
Spying on foreign governments is pretty much the job description of the NSA. Spying on domestic communications is something they get away with, spying on foreign communications is what they were created to do.
I imagine the Mexican government will be publicly shocked to learn these details, but their counterintelligence teams have likely privately detected and thwarted other US hacking attempts.
US officials said how attacks on US networks are considered to be 'acts of war'.
NSA goes and attacks pretty much every corporate and/or government network known to man.
It's just NSA "doing their job", right? Not acts of war, by any chance?
wow. Just wow.
You HAVE to live in either America or Europe. You obviously have no knowledge about Asia.
Why do you think that vietnam is cuddlying up with USA these days? Why do you think that EVERY ASIAN NATION except China, North Korea, and sometimes Russia wants USA in on meetings for those areas?
What do they know that an ignorant person like you does not know?
Interesting.
I've lived in Asia for 15 years, I'd really like to read more of your fiction stories.
Because, in all honestly, I have no idea what you are talking about.
Am I living in the right Asia? Or do I need to live in one located inside your imagination?
Although the idea that you can trust Chinese companies to not reveal info to their government is simply laughable.
What info? What is it that they can 'reveal'?
Are you aware of some backdoors in Huawei equipment which allow Huawei (or/and Chinese government) to remotely gain access to equipment + data? Otherwise, what is it that they can 'reveal'?
Share, please. I'd like to know about those backdoors too.
Dear Huawei chairman,
open source all of your drivers and firmware, then we'll be forced to agree that your equipment is safe for use.
I guess you don't use Cisco equipment either.
What do you use, actually?
(let me guess - you run m0n0wall on Soekris, right?)
I'm an I.T. manager for a non-western company that has non-western defense contracts, one of those sort of conglomerates that does every activity under the sun. I doubt their ploy will actually work, we don't trust the US or the Chinese. It's a matter of "pick your poison". Still, anyone foolish enough to buy Huawei (Their firmware universally sucks, from modems to enterprise/service-level network and backhaul equipment) might be foolish enough to believe they're safer. In reality though, you're more at risk from the security exploits from Huawei's lazy half-assed programmers. I fear their coders more than any possible shadowy relationships.
And yet, there are hundreds of massive networks having Huawei equipment in core network. Imagine that, their networks actually still run very well, but of course their "firmware" sucks line is certainly very convincing.
You probably haven't even seen a Huawei enterprise switch.
Billions of Chinese cyberattacks per day on American companies are the issue. Planets trillions of miles away? Not so much. Any honest analysis shows that China is "borrowing" knowledge from the USA as fast as humanly possible. It's enough of a courtesy that we do indeed allow their citizens to study and work here. We've done a fair job of maintaining decent civil and trade relationships despite a strained rivalry. Beyond that, the Chinese government and military apparatus can always take some responsibility for improving the relationship further.
Considering the history of your country and behavior of your government, I seriously can not believe you are saying this with a straight face.
This is a troll, right?
The entire Bitcoin concept is a shiny, hi-tech Ponzi scheme. Those that "invested" by spending CPU cycles (electricty) early made out. By design, no one else ever will unless, of course, they can steal the resources necessary to do the mining.
For some reason, you seem to only look at BitCoin as some kind of an 'investment' tool.
No wonder you see Ponzi schemes everywhere if fast buck is all you care about.
I don't know why everyone on slashdot has remained so deluded about Nokia's potential future had Elop not taken those actions. They were not competitive, and their prospects were poor.
Their prospects are really great now.
No real excuse for this. This is exactly what network IDS/IPS programs/appliances are for.
Any data center dealing with sensitive information should have an IDS/IPS installation which should have shut down nbc.exe's access out to the Internet, or at least raised a red flag in Splunk or whatever logging console application in use. Most data centers have a list of authorized IPs that internal sites communicate out to, and if some machine communicates to an IP repeatedly on a sensitive network, it would be investigated, or at the minimum, looked at. Multiple machines communicating encrypted data to site out on the Internet is something that IDS applications are designed to detect, and IPS offerings designed to cork until someone takes a look at it.
Security isn't rocket science. It is using basic concepts to compartmentalize information and applications to check for known/unknown attacks, and buying/using the tools needed.
I understand that you are all excited because you drew your first diagram or passed first exam of .
However, this is not how real world works.
You are welcome.
Disgusted with the poor state of Serbia's research output, I will now also scam a Romanian science journal.
Do you even understand what the story is there?
This "science journal" has nothing to do with science, they just print anything people pay them to print and call themselves a 'science journal'. This is how various 'scientists' meet their publishing quota.
By simply publishing shit in a "science journal", they keep their (state funded) privileges.
3 rebellious guys were tired of watching all those corrupted mediocres get away with it, so they managed to get complete nonsense published in this 'science journal' in order to prove that works published in this piece of shit have no value.
Things like this have been done for quite some time now, in many countries. There are quite few journals like this.
Sadly, probably nothing will change.
MS can also go after the premium market with the competitive advantage the Surface 2 Pro has -- the ability to run windows / desktop apps.
And this is exactly why MIcrosoft tablets are failing.
Why do you geniuses assume that people want to run Windows/desktop apps on their tablet?
Do you realize that majority of people have exactly what they want on tablets, and don't need 'desktop apps'?
Do you want Total Commander or ACDSee or AutoCAD running on your tablet? Which, exactly, are those 'desktop' applications that people can't wait to run on their tablets?
...that all governments spy on all other governments, regardless of the state of cordiality between those nations.
Belgacom is a government?
What really amazes me is how many people boldy say "I am ok with NSA spying", yet somehow they completely ignore that NSA personnel is breaking local and foreign laws.
Breaking into corporate/private networks and stealing sensitive data, which is a heavy crime in almost every 'modern' country. Crime for which US pressures other countries, to extradite their own citizens. To extradite them to the country that is the biggest cyber criminal in the world. Ooooh, the irony.
Are you really ok with that?
Considering how US asks for extradiction of people who were hacking US networks, are they gonna extradite NSA employees that have broken countless laws and hacked networks in many other countries?
I mean, will people be able to not start manically laughing next time USA asks for someone to be extradited because he/she broke some US law and/or hacked some US system(s)?
I know I'll be rolling on the floor.
It makes it much easier to spy on your own citizens when you do that. They are just mad they don't have a piece of the action.
You are an idiot and you don't realize that NSA has been intercepting SMS messages (by means of breaking into mobile operator network(s) in Brazil) of Brazilian president. And probably much more (other targets were not named).
Where does that fit into?
War on terror? War on child pornography, perhaps?
Intercepting Brazilian oil company mails/traffic is required in order to fight... terrorism?
Americans still do not understand the consequences of their actions (well, NSA's and government actions). People have given their trust to US government and their agencies, and USA has betrayed them at all possible levels.
USA has now publicy said that they are ok with what NSA has been doing - things that USA themselves consider to be 'acts of war'.
I presume now everyone else will consider it to be okay too.