It's all in benchmark. It doesn't matter what you benchmark, only what you benchmark with;)
But there are several points
1. The results for openssl are no good because openssl for sparc32 has critical parts written in asm, while for sparc64 it is generic C.
2. The results would be much better if you did it with Sun's cc, which is much better optimised for both sparc32 and sparc64.
3. The results, even if they were accurate, are good only for sparc32 vs sparc64. Basically, sparc64 is the same processor as sparc32, only wider;)
I don't know what's the case for ppc32 vs ppc64, but when you look at x86 vs x86-64 (or amd64 as some prefer to call it) you have to take into account much larger number of registers, both GP and SIMD.
As a matter of fact, x86 is such a lousy architecture that it really doesn't have GP registers -- every register in x86 processor has its purpose, other than the rest. It looks better in case of FP and SIMD operations, but it's ints that most of the programs deal with. Just compile your average C code to asm and look how much of it deals with swapping data between registers.
(well, full symmetry of registers for pure FP, non-SIMD operations was true until P4, when Intel decided to penalize the use of FP register stack and started to ``charge'' you for ``FP stack swap'' commands, which were ``free'' before, and are still free on amd processors)
x86-64 on the other hand in 64bit mode has twice more registers with full symmetry between them, as well as even more SIMD registers. And more execution units accessible only in 64bit mode.
But, from this chaotic notes you can already see, that writing good comparission of different processors is a little bit more than ``hey, I've some thoughts that I think are important and want to share''. And the hard work starts with proper title for the story -- in this case it should be ``Are sparc64 binaries slower than sparc32 binaries?''.
Just out of curiosity, on average how many DVDs that you watch are made for regions other than the one you live in?
I'm not from particularly wealthy country (Poland) and never considered myself a rich person. That's probably the reason why from my collection of about 150 DVDs about half is from other regions (Australia, US). I just buy them where they're cheap. Or even where they're released at all.
And even after adding the postage from down-under it's still cheaper than to buy them in Europe.
At least this solves the problem of editing. Scanning is handled by SANE and I don't think that printer manufacturers like Samsung bother with firmware hacks.
It's still nothing compared to consumer electronics prices.
For a long time people were used to prices a little bit higher in euros than in dollars. The explanation was that it's to compensate for exchange rates while USD was for a couple of years about 1.1EUR or so. Now, that 1EUR is already more than 1.25USD, most vendors didn't even change their prices, and some changed them to ``uniform prices'': e.g. Palm T1, T2 was $399 and 399eur at the time of introduction.
Now finally new Palm models are priced according to exchange rates. Did enough Europeans buy them via eBay with shipping to Europe?;)
But my favourite digicam Canon EOS 300D was still $800 and 1100eur last time I checked -- half as much:( Fscking extortion.
There was a marketing campaign couple of years ago in Poland. One of three GSM operators finally received licence for 900MHz (previosly they only had 1800, so they covered only major cities) and put major buzz into their slogan ``fastest growing coverage''.
Lots of people had fun about marketing a shortcoming as an advantage. I mean, the other two operators had 99.x% coverage, so their coverage grew by 0.03% annually, and the newcommer had sth like 40% annual rate;)
So, if your market grows from one unit to ten units you can make a lot of buzz about 1000% annual rate;)
Hey, I don't like Dubya as much as the next guy, but big projects finansed from public budget fuel all the economy. Just look at what Iraq war did to American economy.
It's all the same, no matter if government spends it on bombs or space rockets. When they spend money big time, the main agency gets money and spends it. Its contractors get money and spend it.
And finally: their empoyees get money and spend it. On food, homes, cars, hi-tech gizmos (in any order). But suddenly all the people that produce those goods have money to spend it, and...
This is called macroeconomy, as someone down the page said it. It's better when it's fueled by space program than by another war.
In PL it's all the same and some of my friends started to call the price printed on CD,,the deposit''.
They buy any CD they want (with c/p warnings), rip it on the computer without a problem. Then they bring it back to the shop saying that it won't play on their (mp3)discman/car audio/home theater and demand a refund.
No, I'm serious. I sell all my outdated computer parts via an auction site. Not only it doesn't cost me, usually I earn enough to send them and buy myself couple of blank DVDs or so.
This way someone who still has some use for them can buy it really cheap too.
Does your usenet reader serve news articles to other users?
No, you need a costly usenet servers architecture. Not only machines, but also huuuge bandwith. Today's usenet servers that want to serve large portion of world hierarchies can only get it via dedicated satellite usenet-only feeds.
RSS+BT on the other hand is poor server and rich clients that exchange articles between themselves via p2p network only supervised by a BT tracker.
I bought one of the first optical+radio mice on the market from Logitech and I fell in love with it. It has wheel doubling as a button and the thumb button.
Today when I use the mouse I keep my thumb on the additional button and index finger on the wheel, occasionally moving it to right or left button. I can't imagine any other way of working with mouse anymore.
Your observations are quite correct. Today's videocards are total crap when it comes to picture quality.
There is only one manufacturer with very good picture quality and bearable price -- Matrox. But they are either very slow when it comes to 3D graphics (g400/450/550) or quite expensive (Parhelia). And not too fast either.
ATI (the ATI brand, not the OEM products like powercolor etc) is a little bit worse, but still bearable.
All NVidia cards are total crap, no matter if you chose several years old or top of the line for $400.
I think the consumers are guilty, because they buy more FPS ignoring actual picture quality. Vendors just give people what they want.
Robert
PS. I still use Matrox G400DH because I spend >12h/d in front of the monitor. I swaped Matrox G450 for it because it has better supported tvout under Linux, so my workstation doubles as multimedia center connected to my tv-set.
As always with new technology threatening old business models expect the formation of Macroscale Manufacturers Association of America. They will furiously fight against communist nanotechnology allowing people to make unauthorised devices etc.
FAT is a terrible format for Flash media, because it constantly updates some variables in first several sectors of the disk. The effect was mentioned some time ago on/. -- when you're done writing around 200k files to flash media it was already past erasure limit for those sectors at the beginning i.e. media was destroyed.
So it might actually give some incentive for vendors to move to JFFS or similar FS _designed_ with this flash-specific limitation in mind.
If people had to pay for tv I could buy couple of targeted programs with better content than the ``hundred channels of shit on the tv to chose from'' that I have today.
I mean it.
From all the shit I have on cable, recently I watch mainly documentary and news programming on Public TV and Discovery plus some Cartoon Network.
Almost all movies and series I watch come from rental, amazon and bittorrent. Had the producers came to their senses and published series for the price that I can buy ``Babylon 5'' on DVD in amazon.de (30eur per season) I would buy all my favourite series on dvd. Simultaneous tv&dvd realese would help.
Someone just wants to show that USPTO which should be public service can be milking cow.
I don't remember what is the cost of filling the patent, but I think that it was somewhere around $20k. So let the examiner check ten aplications a year and earn half the money from application fee.
If constant costs are bigger, let him earn a quarter of this money.
Sure, you would have to hire lots of people, but USPTO would still be on black and the patent system would work better -- win-win situation.
Apparently someone has incentives not to heal the patent system.
While you read the guy you ought to remember some facts about the Caldera vs Microsoft suit he alleges to.
Mr. Love complains about all the wrong directions that Caldera took after he left, but the fact remains that one of main Caldera's businesses was litigation from the beginning.
Caldera didn't write DR DOS. Caldera bought it (either DR DOR, or DR itself, I don't remember) after it was obvious to everybody that there is no future for DOS. They bought it, they pretended that they've been building some business around it, and sued MS for something that MS did long before Calder came into the game.
It's exactly the same now.
They've bought SCO assets long after it was dead in the water only to sue companies that (in their opinions) might be responsible for that.
3) Is there really a situation where this sort of thing would actually be useful or nessecary?
Yes, there is. I've found that several games refuse to run from network drive. This pisses me off.
I've got three computers at home:
router/fileserver, runs linux and has very large/home exported via NFS and SMB so we both have networked home and media directories.
my workstation, runs Debian+KDE 95% of the time, but sometimes I run Windows XP to play games
my wife's workstation; also runs Debian+KDE and sometimes Windows for games.
This way:
both workstation have minimal disks
all the disks are inside the fserver, mounted via LVM (so they apear as single partition capable of holding file of the size of whole partition)
my wife can freely log on to my computer to watch her video files on TV (my comp has TVout connected to TV) or listen to her music while I'm away (my comp has better sound;)
But I cannot install some games on the network drive in Windows so it forces me either to remove them before installing the new one, or buying more storage for my workstation (ridiculous when I have hundreds of GBs freely accessible via 100MB network).
Another security-through-obscurity device got broken, and what is the reaction of powers-that-be? Outlaw the devices that let people get around this measures. You could as well outlaw crime.
Will I ever see the taxpayers' money spent on good security, that is uncrackable by insiders? I mean, I could design several orders of magnitude better system while eating pizza, and I'm just stupid sysadm/programmer.
Robert
PS I know they did outlaw crime;) Did they stop it?
There are special area codes for cellphones here (5xx, 6xx).
As is the case with landline phones, receiver doesn't pay for the call.
Because of 2, thanks to 3 the calls to cellphones are extremelly expensive.
I've had one unsolicited call to my cellphone in last five years. I told the caller to wait a while since I'm in a middle of important affair. Then I proceeded to chat with friends while watching the call timer.
He was pretty persistent and disconnected only after four minutes;)
Slashdot Mirror
Has this already been done?
,,Enemy of the State''. Details differ, but the plot is more or less the same.
At least once.
Robert
If I understand properly how bogofilter tokenizes email, it already collects those domains as spam words.
It's all in benchmark. It doesn't matter what you benchmark, only what you benchmark with ;)
;)
But there are several points
1. The results for openssl are no good because openssl for sparc32 has critical parts written in asm, while for sparc64 it is generic C.
2. The results would be much better if you did it with Sun's cc, which is much better optimised for both sparc32 and sparc64.
3. The results, even if they were accurate, are good only for sparc32 vs sparc64. Basically, sparc64 is the same processor as sparc32, only wider
I don't know what's the case for ppc32 vs ppc64, but when you look at x86 vs x86-64 (or amd64 as some prefer to call it) you have to take into account much larger number of registers, both GP and SIMD.
As a matter of fact, x86 is such a lousy architecture that it really doesn't have GP registers -- every register in x86 processor has its purpose, other than the rest. It looks better in case of FP and SIMD operations, but it's ints that most of the programs deal with. Just compile your average C code to asm and look how much of it deals with swapping data between registers.
(well, full symmetry of registers for pure FP, non-SIMD operations was true until P4, when Intel decided to penalize the use of FP register stack and started to ``charge'' you for ``FP stack swap'' commands, which were ``free'' before, and are still free on amd processors)
x86-64 on the other hand in 64bit mode has twice more registers with full symmetry between them, as well as even more SIMD registers. And more execution units accessible only in 64bit mode.
But, from this chaotic notes you can already see, that writing good comparission of different processors is a little bit more than ``hey, I've some thoughts that I think are important and want to share''. And the hard work starts with proper title for the story -- in this case it should be ``Are sparc64 binaries slower than sparc32 binaries?''.
Robert
Just out of curiosity, on average how many DVDs that you watch are made for regions other than the one you live in?
I'm not from particularly wealthy country (Poland) and never considered myself a rich person. That's probably the reason why from my collection of about 150 DVDs about half is from other regions (Australia, US). I just buy them where they're cheap. Or even where they're released at all.
And even after adding the postage from down-under it's still cheaper than to buy them in Europe.
Fscking regions...
Robert
So, one more reason to use free GIMP then?
At least this solves the problem of editing. Scanning is handled by SANE and I don't think that printer manufacturers like Samsung bother with firmware hacks.
Robert
It's still nothing compared to consumer electronics prices.
;)
:( Fscking extortion.
For a long time people were used to prices a little bit higher in euros than in dollars. The explanation was that it's to compensate for exchange rates while USD was for a couple of years about 1.1EUR or so. Now, that 1EUR is already more than 1.25USD, most vendors didn't even change their prices, and some changed them to ``uniform prices'': e.g. Palm T1, T2 was $399 and 399eur at the time of introduction.
Now finally new Palm models are priced according to exchange rates. Did enough Europeans buy them via eBay with shipping to Europe?
But my favourite digicam Canon EOS 300D was still $800 and 1100eur last time I checked -- half as much
Robert
There was a marketing campaign couple of years ago in Poland. One of three GSM operators finally received licence for 900MHz (previosly they only had 1800, so they covered only major cities) and put major buzz into their slogan ``fastest growing coverage''.
;)
;)
Lots of people had fun about marketing a shortcoming as an advantage. I mean, the other two operators had 99.x% coverage, so their coverage grew by 0.03% annually, and the newcommer had sth like 40% annual rate
So, if your market grows from one unit to ten units you can make a lot of buzz about 1000% annual rate
Robert
Hey, I don't like Dubya as much as the next guy, but big projects finansed from public budget fuel all the economy. Just look at what Iraq war did to American economy.
.02pln
It's all the same, no matter if government spends it on bombs or space rockets. When they spend money big time, the main agency gets money and spends it. Its contractors get money and spend it.
And finally: their empoyees get money and spend it. On food, homes, cars, hi-tech gizmos (in any order). But suddenly all the people that produce those goods have money to spend it, and...
This is called macroeconomy, as someone down the page said it. It's better when it's fueled by space program than by another war.
Just my
Robert
In PL it's all the same and some of my friends started to call the price printed on CD ,,the deposit''.
They buy any CD they want (with c/p warnings), rip it on the computer without a problem. Then they bring it back to the shop saying that it won't play on their (mp3)discman/car audio/home theater and demand a refund.
Always works.
rrw
No, I'm serious. I sell all my outdated computer parts via an auction site. Not only it doesn't cost me, usually I earn enough to send them and buy myself couple of blank DVDs or so.
This way someone who still has some use for them can buy it really cheap too.
Robert
What morron modded parent as insightful?
Does your usenet reader serve news articles to other users?
No, you need a costly usenet servers architecture. Not only machines, but also huuuge bandwith. Today's usenet servers that want to serve large portion of world hierarchies can only get it via dedicated satellite usenet-only feeds.
RSS+BT on the other hand is poor server and rich clients that exchange articles between themselves via p2p network only supervised by a BT tracker.
Robert
I bought one of the first optical+radio mice on the market from Logitech and I fell in love with it. It has wheel doubling as a button and the thumb button.
Today when I use the mouse I keep my thumb on the additional button and index finger on the wheel, occasionally moving it to right or left button. I can't imagine any other way of working with mouse anymore.
Robert
Your observations are quite correct. Today's videocards are total crap when it comes to picture quality.
There is only one manufacturer with very good picture quality and bearable price -- Matrox. But they are either very slow when it comes to 3D graphics (g400/450/550) or quite expensive (Parhelia). And not too fast either.
ATI (the ATI brand, not the OEM products like powercolor etc) is a little bit worse, but still bearable.
All NVidia cards are total crap, no matter if you chose several years old or top of the line for $400.
I think the consumers are guilty, because they buy more FPS ignoring actual picture quality. Vendors just give people what they want.
Robert
PS. I still use Matrox G400DH because I spend >12h/d in front of the monitor. I swaped Matrox G450 for it because it has better supported tvout under Linux, so my workstation doubles as multimedia center connected to my tv-set.
I don't understand.
Why would someone ddos SCO website, they have no business depending on web services.
If they ddosed SCO lawyers with dozens of suits per minute... Now, that would be another story.
Robert
As always with new technology threatening old business models expect the formation of Macroscale Manufacturers Association of America. They will furiously fight against communist nanotechnology allowing people to make unauthorised devices etc.
rrw
It's very good move by MS.
/. -- when you're done writing around 200k files to flash media it was already past erasure limit for those sectors at the beginning i.e. media was destroyed.
FAT is a terrible format for Flash media, because it constantly updates some variables in first several sectors of the disk. The effect was mentioned some time ago on
So it might actually give some incentive for vendors to move to JFFS or similar FS _designed_ with this flash-specific limitation in mind.
rrw
If people had to pay for tv I could buy couple of targeted programs with better content than the ``hundred channels of shit on the tv to chose from'' that I have today.
I mean it.
From all the shit I have on cable, recently I watch mainly documentary and news programming on Public TV and Discovery plus some Cartoon Network.
Almost all movies and series I watch come from rental, amazon and bittorrent. Had the producers came to their senses and published series for the price that I can buy ``Babylon 5'' on DVD in amazon.de (30eur per season) I would buy all my favourite series on dvd. Simultaneous tv&dvd realese would help.
rrw
Someone just wants to show that USPTO which should be public service can be milking cow.
I don't remember what is the cost of filling the patent, but I think that it was somewhere around $20k. So let the examiner check ten aplications a year and earn half the money from application fee.
If constant costs are bigger, let him earn a quarter of this money.
Sure, you would have to hire lots of people, but USPTO would still be on black and the patent system would work better -- win-win situation.
Apparently someone has incentives not to heal the patent system.
rrw
While you read the guy you ought to remember some facts about the Caldera vs Microsoft suit he alleges to.
.02eur
Mr. Love complains about all the wrong directions that Caldera took after he left, but the fact remains that one of main Caldera's businesses was litigation from the beginning.
Caldera didn't write DR DOS. Caldera bought it (either DR DOR, or DR itself, I don't remember) after it was obvious to everybody that there is no future for DOS. They bought it, they pretended that they've been building some business around it, and sued MS for something that MS did long before Calder came into the game.
It's exactly the same now.
They've bought SCO assets long after it was dead in the water only to sue companies that (in their opinions) might be responsible for that.
Just my
Robert
Yes, there is. I've found that several games refuse to run from network drive. This pisses me off.
I've got three computers at home:
This way:
But I cannot install some games on the network drive in Windows so it forces me either to remove them before installing the new one, or buying more storage for my workstation (ridiculous when I have hundreds of GBs freely accessible via 100MB network).
Robert
It's boring already.
;) Did they stop it?
Another security-through-obscurity device got broken, and what is the reaction of powers-that-be? Outlaw the devices that let people get around this measures. You could as well outlaw crime.
Will I ever see the taxpayers' money spent on good security, that is uncrackable by insiders? I mean, I could design several orders of magnitude better system while eating pizza, and I'm just stupid sysadm/programmer.
Robert
PS I know they did outlaw crime
Even such (not quite former) third world countries like Poland have e.g. parking payments via SMS.
Robert
Screw the weather report or stock quotes. The language of the patent describes also offline message retrieval via POP3 protocol.
;)
American patent system is scary stuff...
Robert
I've had one unsolicited call to my cellphone in last five years. I told the caller to wait a while since I'm in a middle of important affair. Then I proceeded to chat with friends while watching the call timer.
He was pretty persistent and disconnected only after four minutes
Robert
PS I believe it's the same in rest of Europe.
The history with ultra-deep pipeline of P4 will repeat and P-V will operate at 5-7GHz and...
...will have 200-stages pipeline and effectivelly it will be slower than 1.2GHz PIII ;)
Robert