Whoosh... What's that? That's the sound of THE POINT going by you as you missed it.
The poster's joke was about the fact that it's funny that "criminals" consider technology put in place to stop them is "plauging" them.
That's it, no attempt was made to infer that any of these things were worse or better than another; they were all just to exemplify a similar concept.
Sheesh, this fucking PC movement is really making me sick, now people have such thin skins, they latch onto buzzwords like "terrorist", "rape" and "murder" and the peril-sensitive sunglasses go dark in an instant, making them completely MISS THE POINT and take offense needlessly from a funny joke or an informative conversation.
Considering some of the fine grade of "people" I've met in the IT field, this is nothing new - I've been encouraging many of them to change careers for years now!
If you mean let everyone pick up licensed 2-way radios and let them all yak at once, absolutely not!
There's a reason Hams and other public saftey radio users are licensed. We had to learn and now know what frequencies to use and which to avoid, and we know how to coordinate large groups of users on a single frequency without collision or a total free-for all.
A good example of this is what happened to the cellular systems during the emergency, everyone went nuts and the uncoordinated onslaught rendered that communication system utterly useless. Doing the same to the other radio services as well would be a BAD thing.
Umm... That's not quite true. It is a commonly held misconception that in an emergency anything goes. However, in the real world it doesn't quite work that way... In case of emegency, you can transmit anywhere you wish, but you had better be prepared to answer for and justify your actions.
You CAN still be held liable for the consequences of your actions after the fact. There were a couple of similar cases I read about where a guy out hiking got lost in the mountains and there was no cell service or any ham station reachable, and he used his modified radio to call into the local police repeater to report his emergency. Clearly he would have died if he had not been rescued, yet he was still fined and had his equipment confiscated because of his actions.
In short, if you are faced with the decision of losing your Ham license or dying, you'll take the former, but as I said you will most likely have to pay the piper later.
BTW - Yes, IAAH (I Am a Ham) and I'm the statewide repeater frequency coordinator for one of the largest metro areas in the USA, so I speak with some authority here.
And you know more than 50% of all radio hams in the entire world, do you? No? Thought not. Your anecdotal "evidence" is therefore inadmissible.
And you do? Your anecdotal "evidence" is similarly inadmissible. Also, most of the computer usage is indirectly connected to ham radio, like looking up someone's callsign, or joining a club - not immediately apparently connected with using the radio itself.
Guess that proves you wrong, huh?
You have "proved" nothing.
*sniff* What's that I smell? Ah yes. Bullshit.
He who smelt it, dealt it. It's true, and I know the truth hurts.
Yeah, and as you and the other guy have proved, there are no shitty ham ops, right? ROTFLMAOEM...
(Voice dripping with sarcasm) And you have so eloquently proved that the internet communities are teeming with pleasant helpful, intelligent trolls such as yourself.
Yeah, 'cos we are all watching b&w TV, using wind-up phones, and listening to recordings on our wax cylinders, right?
Warning Will Robinson! Straw Man Alert! Again! I never said B&W, wind-up and wax. These things were improved and evolved over time, not discarded.
Very true. But then again, not every dead tree should be shored up at great expense to the detriment of the new forest that could be planted there, either. Think about it.
I have. We're not talking dead trees, but live ones. Your propensity to screw an argument into a straw man is phenomenal. Is this Daryl McBride I'm talking to by any chance?
Damn, I thought I was anonymous. How did you know I am Dick?
You are what you eat, or at least you're acting like one.
Yes. A minority.
Wrong, bucko. EVERY Ham I know has a computer, and uses it well - and I know a lot of them.
Here's a clue - from whom did you hams buy or rent the airwaves? Hmm? Quick, come on, it's not that hard. And from whom did THEY purchase them before you? Well?
Hams were GIVEN the spectrum they have because they are USEFUL in emergencies, and to develop new technologies for the dumbasses to use. That means the FCC and government have seen our "value" effectively as worth many millions of dollars. Have we "earned" it in your ever-so-humble opinion? Do I really care?
ROTFLMAO!!!!
As the OP tried to point out, the internet is a great way to get exposed to the really shitty side of humanity, as compared to the Ham communmity. He didn't compare that experience to the "real" world outside. That's a straw man, laughing boy.
Why yes, yes it is. Just as all other antiquated outdated past-its-best technology does.
That ridiculous argument applies to Broadcast Radio, Television, Phonograph Records, Motion Pictures, Landline Telephones, and nearly everything else invented years ago but still in use today. Just because something is well-established doesn't mean it's outmoded.
Not every forest preserve should be paved for yet another fucking strip mall.
I am getting so tired of hearing this ignorant position. If the BPL dies locally, it will still be up at the destination you are trying to talk to.
Your area may be all dead, but you're trying to get a signal to somwhere not in disaster-mode. Good luck with that, they won't hear you because of the local BPL noise there.
So all you can do is call around within your neighborhood and ask if everyone else is screwed too... but that's about it.
Furthermore, if the BPL interference is up 24/7, Hams won't be going to buy radios that no longer work there, won't be getting practice using them in disaster drills and simulations, so when the shit does hit the fan, no one will either have the equipment or know how to use it.
Exciting Opportunity? No. Unfiltered BPL kills everything in the HF bands (2-30 MHz). We're SOL.
The only way to penetrate such blanket interference is to use military-esque signal anti-jamming technologies like spread-spectrum or simultaneous AM and FM, all of which are illegal modes on the Ham HF bands. There is no legal workaround. SOL again.
A good analogy would be "We're replacing all your oxygen with methane. Just think of the exciting opportunity to learn how to not die breathing it." Make no mistake, BPL is a poision to the electromagnetic spectrum by the same token.
Finally, we Hams (yes, IAAH) have always given back BIG-TIME both to the community (in the form of disaster comms and ops) and in the field of science and technology (in the form of new innovations and techniques). We don't need any new "challenges" to overcome to "pay" for the VERY TINY sections of the RF spectrum we were given, as we have done that a LONG time ago!
None, because the AOL customers were purchasing an ISP, not browser software.
Another example would have been Gillette's idea of "Give away the blades and sell them the razors". And to that, my reply would have been that no one was asking "What's wrong with the blades?".
When something given away for free is so obviously used as a come-on to sell something else that is related, no one is questioning the motives behing giving it out. A freebie on it's own could be suspicious, however.
That, and the other big black eye they got in the public opinion was for editing and deleting forum posts that had any anti-Prodigy sentiment or were complaining about the censoring of posted content.
I think there were even an/some court case(s), and IIRC it was decided that since they run a private forum they can edit any content they want to, and your "speech" there is not 1st Amendment protected. That was about the same time it started to dawn on most people that email and such on other people systems or business networks is NOT PRIVATE nor protected in any way.
P.S. Love your nick - reminds me of:
Q. What do you call the little pieces of automobiles you find on the side of the road? A. Detroitus!
The problem is there are only a few sub-genres of Science Fiction to choose from; Gadget Stories (Techology/SFX), B.E.M. (Bug-Eyed Monsters/Aliens), Time Travel/Parallel Worlds, and a few other "borrowed" genres like detective stories, etc.
All you have left then to work with is to mix in the "Human Experience" into these stories (The Soaps, The Planet-Hopping).
There's not a whole lot left in the fairly narrow field that hasn't been 1) thought of in the 1930-1950's and 2) covered and re-covered.
Yeah, fuck them and their protection of your rights. Then we won't have to listen to anonymous imbeciles like you here, because legally, you'll have been pre-identified, pre-approved, and pre-filtered.
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"It was comin' right for us!"
Article title is definitely true! With pot I'm only disoriented for an hour or two, but sucky reporting leaves me in a confused daze forever...
Whoosh... What's that? That's the sound of THE POINT going by you as you missed it.
The poster's joke was about the fact that it's funny that "criminals" consider technology put in place to stop them is "plauging" them.
That's it, no attempt was made to infer that any of these things were worse or better than another; they were all just to exemplify a similar concept.
Sheesh, this fucking PC movement is really making me sick, now people have such thin skins, they latch onto buzzwords like "terrorist", "rape" and "murder" and the peril-sensitive sunglasses go dark in an instant, making them completely MISS THE POINT and take offense needlessly from a funny joke or an informative conversation.
Bah.
Considering some of the fine grade of "people" I've met in the IT field, this is nothing new - I've been encouraging many of them to change careers for years now!
Your post just inspired this new quote from me:
"With BPL, no one can hear you scream!"
You're welcome,
Miater Transistor
If you mean let everyone pick up licensed 2-way radios and let them all yak at once, absolutely not!
There's a reason Hams and other public saftey radio users are licensed. We had to learn and now know what frequencies to use and which to avoid, and we know how to coordinate large groups of users on a single frequency without collision or a total free-for all.
A good example of this is what happened to the cellular systems during the emergency, everyone went nuts and the uncoordinated onslaught rendered that communication system utterly useless. Doing the same to the other radio services as well would be a BAD thing.
Umm... That's not quite true. It is a commonly held misconception that in an emergency anything goes. However, in the real world it doesn't quite work that way... In case of emegency, you can transmit anywhere you wish, but you had better be prepared to answer for and justify your actions.
You CAN still be held liable for the consequences of your actions after the fact. There were a couple of similar cases I read about where a guy out hiking got lost in the mountains and there was no cell service or any ham station reachable, and he used his modified radio to call into the local police repeater to report his emergency. Clearly he would have died if he had not been rescued, yet he was still fined and had his equipment confiscated because of his actions.
In short, if you are faced with the decision of losing your Ham license or dying, you'll take the former, but as I said you will most likely have to pay the piper later.
BTW - Yes, IAAH (I Am a Ham) and I'm the statewide repeater frequency coordinator for one of the largest metro areas in the USA, so I speak with some authority here.
Then you may refer to me as your mommy.
OP was right, you are a dick.
And you know more than 50% of all radio hams in the entire world, do you? No? Thought not.
Your anecdotal "evidence" is therefore inadmissible.
And you do? Your anecdotal "evidence" is similarly inadmissible. Also, most of the computer usage is indirectly connected to ham radio, like looking up someone's callsign, or joining a club - not immediately apparently connected with using the radio itself.
Guess that proves you wrong, huh?
You have "proved" nothing.
*sniff* What's that I smell? Ah yes. Bullshit.
He who smelt it, dealt it. It's true, and I know the truth hurts.
Yeah, and as you and the other guy have proved, there are no shitty ham ops, right? ROTFLMAOEM...
(Voice dripping with sarcasm) And you have so eloquently proved that the internet communities are teeming with pleasant helpful, intelligent trolls such as yourself.
Yeah, 'cos we are all watching b&w TV, using wind-up phones, and listening to recordings on our wax cylinders, right?
Warning Will Robinson! Straw Man Alert! Again! I never said B&W, wind-up and wax. These things were improved and evolved over time, not discarded.
Very true. But then again, not every dead tree should be shored up at great expense to the detriment of the new forest that could be planted there, either. Think about it.
I have. We're not talking dead trees, but live ones. Your propensity to screw an argument into a straw man is phenomenal. Is this Daryl McBride I'm talking to by any chance?
Damn, I thought I was anonymous. How did you know I am Dick?
You are what you eat, or at least you're acting like one.
Yes. A minority.
Wrong, bucko. EVERY Ham I know has a computer, and uses it well - and I know a lot of them.
Here's a clue - from whom did you hams buy or rent the airwaves? Hmm? Quick, come on, it's not that hard.
And from whom did THEY purchase them before you? Well?
Hams were GIVEN the spectrum they have because they are USEFUL in emergencies, and to develop new technologies for the dumbasses to use. That means the FCC and government have seen our "value" effectively as worth many millions of dollars. Have we "earned" it in your ever-so-humble opinion? Do I really care?
ROTFLMAO!!!!
As the OP tried to point out, the internet is a great way to get exposed to the really shitty side of humanity, as compared to the Ham communmity. He didn't compare that experience to the "real" world outside. That's a straw man, laughing boy.
Why yes, yes it is. Just as all other antiquated outdated past-its-best technology does.
That ridiculous argument applies to Broadcast Radio, Television, Phonograph Records, Motion Pictures, Landline Telephones, and nearly everything else invented years ago but still in use today. Just because something is well-established doesn't mean it's outmoded.
Not every forest preserve should be paved for yet another fucking strip mall.
Get used to it.
Get a clue.
I am getting so tired of hearing this ignorant position. If the BPL dies locally, it will still be up at the destination you are trying to talk to.
Your area may be all dead, but you're trying to get a signal to somwhere not in disaster-mode. Good luck with that, they won't hear you because of the local BPL noise there.
So all you can do is call around within your neighborhood and ask if everyone else is screwed too... but that's about it.
Furthermore, if the BPL interference is up 24/7, Hams won't be going to buy radios that no longer work there, won't be getting practice using them in disaster drills and simulations, so when the shit does hit the fan, no one will either have the equipment or know how to use it.
Exciting Opportunity? No. Unfiltered BPL kills everything in the HF bands (2-30 MHz). We're SOL.
The only way to penetrate such blanket interference is to use military-esque signal anti-jamming technologies like spread-spectrum or simultaneous AM and FM, all of which are illegal modes on the Ham HF bands. There is no legal workaround. SOL again.
A good analogy would be "We're replacing all your oxygen with methane. Just think of the exciting opportunity to learn how to not die breathing it." Make no mistake, BPL is a poision to the electromagnetic spectrum by the same token.
Finally, we Hams (yes, IAAH) have always given back BIG-TIME both to the community (in the form of disaster comms and ops) and in the field of science and technology (in the form of new innovations and techniques). We don't need any new "challenges" to overcome to "pay" for the VERY TINY sections of the RF spectrum we were given, as we have done that a LONG time ago!
None, because the AOL customers were purchasing an ISP, not browser software.
Another example would have been Gillette's idea of "Give away the blades and sell them the razors". And to that, my reply would have been that no one was asking "What's wrong with the blades?".
When something given away for free is so obviously used as a come-on to sell something else that is related, no one is questioning the motives behing giving it out. A freebie on it's own could be suspicious, however.
That, and the other big black eye they got in the public opinion was for editing and deleting forum posts that had any anti-Prodigy sentiment or were complaining about the censoring of posted content.
I think there were even an/some court case(s), and IIRC it was decided that since they run a private forum they can edit any content they want to, and your "speech" there is not 1st Amendment protected. That was about the same time it started to dawn on most people that email and such on other people systems or business networks is NOT PRIVATE nor protected in any way.
P.S. Love your nick - reminds me of:
Q. What do you call the little pieces of automobiles you find on the side of the road?
A. Detroitus!
Yeah, with each ever-so-slightly different...
"I wish I had said that!"
"You will, Oscar, you will..."
(Oscar Wilde talking to Percy Shelly, from a Monty Python sketch)
For the answer, read or watch Michael Crichton's "The Terminal Man". One of his better stories, from about 30 years ago.
Actually they don't do the same thing. To get the full directory listing, you need to:
/x = six characters (for a true full dir list)
ls -l = five characters (you forgot the space)
dir
therefore:
sorry, but ls wins...
There's a reason that the best coders are in the computer room a lot.
I thought it had more to do with the huge bank of chillers cranking at 68 deg. F!
All I want to know is do they require a piss test for employment? ;)
No, but two Wrights make an airplane.
Interestingly, look how well that approach worked in Iraq. We chose action #1 here in the USA. Sometimes I think we chose wrong, too.
The problem is there are only a few sub-genres of Science Fiction to choose from; Gadget Stories (Techology/SFX), B.E.M. (Bug-Eyed Monsters/Aliens), Time Travel/Parallel Worlds, and a few other "borrowed" genres like detective stories, etc.
All you have left then to work with is to mix in the "Human Experience" into these stories (The Soaps, The Planet-Hopping).
There's not a whole lot left in the fairly narrow field that hasn't been 1) thought of in the 1930-1950's and 2) covered and re-covered.
Interesting, but MSDOS 6.21 and Win95 were probably the LEAST evil products he has come up with!
Yeah, fuck them and their protection of your rights. Then we won't have to listen to anonymous imbeciles like you here, because legally, you'll have been pre-identified, pre-approved, and pre-filtered.
Nope, but it IS Windows based...