If this transcript is true, then their is hard evidence that they are a bunch of liars. They do not let anyone who wants to look at the infringing code! I have proof -- but what do I do with it?
The battle to keep software jobs in the US will definately by lost if IT guys continue the prima-donna image.
The guys 1/2 way around the globe aren't complaining, and aren't getting interupted by your management!
A major reason IT jobs are going offshore is that the guys offshore are pleasant to work with, eager, and appreciative of the opportunity to work. Can you really say that about most of your co-workers?
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I used to work for Digital (DEC) so I lived the path that SUN has started to take. Most of the arguments in favor of SUN are the same that used to be said about DEC.
It's not about the technology, the service, the leadership. It is about price, and products that are "good enough".
Cringley is right -- SUN is dead. All we are arguing about here is if it is a good thing, and what the world will be like without them.
I found Solaris X86 to be lacking right out of the box for end-user stuff. It was a pisser to get all of the GNU stuff on it, as Solaris (at least 8.0) didn't come with a "C" compiler, Emacs, Bash, lex, yacc, zip. I think they have since included the GNU distro's on the CDROM, so you can at least compile and install things like Apache, etc.
The current state of computers is more analagous to TV's when they had vacumn tubes. Vacumn tubes would wear out, or break after a while, and you'd have to take the tubes out, bring them to the drugstore, and try'em out on one of those machines.
This is probably equivalent in ease of use of the Mac, or maybe a plug/play PC.
Back the truck up -- All cards that work under 2.7 don't work under 2.8. You have gotten lucky with a few cards, and are trying to generalize based on that experience.
Try a WD 8013 network card on 2.7 then on 2.8 and get back to me.
I've had good results with some of the modular furniture you get at officemax/office depot. You can get large flat areas, and special corner peices. I also have a large table in the middle of my office space for additional work surfaces.
My ultimate would be a nice set of patio furniture, and an 802.11 connection:)
Anyone remember "NC" (network computers) ? The Java-only device that would cost only a few hundred dollars? If you forgot, this was like X terminals, only you sent Java, rather than bitmaps over the network.
SUN eventually decided that 100-base-T was the only way to effectively deploy that technology.
I used an X-Terminal for about 5 years to develop software. If I ran a local window manager, and did mostly x-terminals it ran smoothly -- graphics and complex GUI's are nowhere near as crisp and responsive. 4 trips up and down a network stack for every mouse click is much slower than anything Microsoft puts out.
Are you sure that GNU software "comes" with Solaris? I've run Solaris x86 on several machines, and it is a pain in the kester to get all the GNU stuff downloaded and installed so I could actually *DO* something on the machine.
My disks didn't come with GZIP, Emacs, Bash, or even a "C" compiler. What could be more open-source hostile than an OS that doesn't come with a way to un-GZIP archives!
Of course SUN will sell you a "C" & "C++" compiler at a price that would make Microsoft think they weren't gouging you enough...
Digital Equipment Corp put out solid state drives in the early 90's. They were extremely expensive, small capacity, and the failure rate was relatively high (I had 8 of them on a system I worked on). We ended up mirroring these drives for reliability reasons, making the cost 2x as much per Mb.
The initial generations of these drives used all the same controller parts as the rest of their SCSI drives, and thus the speed was throttled by that. This was still a significant speed advantage given the state of technology back then.
I imagine that the drives Quantum sells are a result of Quantum buying the Storage unit from Digital.
Um, like that was Digital with the Vax 9000 somewhere around 1988. They had huge wafers, and horrible yield problems.
I don't follow your logic on distributed systems being faster -- you must have gotten faulty instructions from the mothership.
Back then, the 386 was state of the art, as was a super-ninetendo. For larger machines, it was still common to see a cpu made up of lots of discrete parts on a board.
I think enough things have changed since then that this may well work -- but like the original pentium 60/66's, it won't catch on until the next die shrink.
This is pathetic, you guys all talk about buying speakers -- next thing you'll be talking about places to bring your computer to install more ram, or swap the Motherboard out for you...
Build your own speakers, and save a bundle of $$$. If you spent $100/each on speaker parts, a 5.1 setup would run you about $600, and you'd have a killer system that would match anything for twice the cost. I built a subwoofer of my own design for about $120 -- it is a whole lot larger (and louder) than those little POS $500 deals.
I ended up spending about $400 on my speakers and it took a weekends worth of work with the table saw, and a soldering iron.
Of course they don't look like "fine furniture" I just painted them all black, built some speaker stands from the leftover wood. You should have everything flat-black anyhow so it doesn't distract your eyes from the TV. I also like to watch Movies in the dark, so I can't tell if they look nice or not!
Many free designs exist on the Internet (I used these... http://www.adireaudio.com/the_grandpop!.htm ) And subwoofers are a matter of plugging numbers into a spreadsheet.
I've been waiting for ADSL service for 2 years, and the cable company has been a couple of months away from cable modem service for a year now. The Sprint guys showed up when promised, the service worked out of the box. It works great with Linux (can you say IP Masquerading?). I get killer throughput on downloads (did some 220KB/sec downloads from an FTP server last night)
The service does have some latency, (which they told me about up front), and the upload performance seems suspect.
You are buying a connection to the internet for personal use and they have priced it that way. I don't want to susidize some guy running an eCommerce site out of his basement by paying a higher monthly rate.
Earthlink includes a free website with the service so you can put up a static site.
So they don't want you doing anything illegal? or wasting bandwidth, or generally pissing off the whole Internet community. Gee, like some other ISP would encourage this?
Actually Linus was criticized for his initial work -- Look through some old archives for the famous mail discussion between Linus and Andrew Tannenbaum -- Distinguished Professor, and author of Minix. Tannenbaum stated that Linus would have FLUNKED his OS class.
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I haven't been able to figure out what to do with a grid, and it seems the industry can't either.
Suddenly the "Blue screen of Death" takes on a whole new meaning....
If this transcript is true, then their is hard evidence that they are a bunch of liars. They do not let anyone who wants to look at the infringing code! I have proof -- but what do I do with it?
The battle to keep software jobs in the US will definately by lost if IT guys continue the prima-donna image.
The guys 1/2 way around the globe aren't complaining, and aren't getting interupted by your management!
A major reason IT jobs are going offshore is that the guys offshore are pleasant to work with, eager, and appreciative of the opportunity to work. Can you really say that about most of your co-workers?
I used to work for Digital (DEC) so I lived the path that SUN has started to take. Most of the arguments in favor of SUN are the same that used to be said about DEC.
It's not about the technology, the service, the leadership. It is about price, and products that are "good enough".
Cringley is right -- SUN is dead. All we are arguing about here is if it is a good thing, and what the world will be like without them.
Obviously the wheel bearings where at fault. If they remained "frictionless", like they should have, then this would have gone off without a hitch.
I found Solaris X86 to be lacking right out of the box for end-user stuff. It was a pisser to get all of the GNU stuff on it, as Solaris (at least 8.0) didn't come with a "C" compiler, Emacs, Bash, lex, yacc, zip. I think they have since included the GNU distro's on the CDROM, so you can at least compile and install things like Apache, etc.
Good fast code is a thing of the past. The only important software factors in the future are reliability, and time to market.
Comparing StarOffice to MS Office is like SUN comparing Windows to Solaris.
They are a good approximation, but the real power user will quickly discover what is missing, and what doesn't work as expected.
I'd love to have a decent Office package on Linux, unfortunatly this would need to include something like Visio Enterprise, and MS Project.
The current state of computers is more analagous to TV's when they had vacumn tubes. Vacumn tubes would wear out, or break after a while, and you'd have to take the tubes out, bring them to the drugstore, and try'em out on one of those machines.
This is probably equivalent in ease of use of the Mac, or maybe a plug/play PC.
Try a WD 8013 network card on 2.7 then on 2.8 and get back to me.
Gee, that card would still works under Linux...
My ultimate would be a nice set of patio furniture, and an 802.11 connection
SUN eventually decided that 100-base-T was the only way to effectively deploy that technology.
I used an X-Terminal for about 5 years to develop software. If I ran a local window manager, and did mostly x-terminals it ran smoothly -- graphics and complex GUI's are nowhere near as crisp and responsive. 4 trips up and down a network stack for every mouse click is much slower than anything Microsoft puts out.
My disks didn't come with GZIP, Emacs, Bash, or even a "C" compiler. What could be more open-source hostile than an OS that doesn't come with a way to un-GZIP archives!
Of course SUN will sell you a "C" & "C++" compiler at a price that would make Microsoft think they weren't gouging you enough...
Digital Equipment Corp put out solid state drives in the early 90's. They were extremely expensive, small capacity, and the failure rate was relatively high (I had 8 of them on a system I worked on). We ended up mirroring these drives for reliability reasons, making the cost 2x as much per Mb.
The initial generations of these drives used all the same controller parts as the rest of their SCSI drives, and thus the speed was throttled by that. This was still a significant speed advantage given the state of technology back then.
I imagine that the drives Quantum sells are a result of Quantum buying the Storage unit from Digital.
Um, like that was Digital with the Vax 9000 somewhere around 1988. They had huge wafers, and horrible yield problems. I don't follow your logic on distributed systems being faster -- you must have gotten faulty instructions from the mothership. Back then, the 386 was state of the art, as was a super-ninetendo. For larger machines, it was still common to see a cpu made up of lots of discrete parts on a board. I think enough things have changed since then that this may well work -- but like the original pentium 60/66's, it won't catch on until the next die shrink.
Build your own speakers, and save a bundle of $$$. If you spent $100/each on speaker parts, a 5.1 setup would run you about $600, and you'd have a killer system that would match anything for twice the cost. I built a subwoofer of my own design for about $120 -- it is a whole lot larger (and louder) than those little POS $500 deals.
I ended up spending about $400 on my speakers and it took a weekends worth of work with the table saw, and a soldering iron.
Of course they don't look like "fine furniture" I just painted them all black, built some speaker stands from the leftover wood. You should have everything flat-black anyhow so it doesn't distract your eyes from the TV. I also like to watch Movies in the dark, so I can't tell if they look nice or not!
Many free designs exist on the Internet (I used these... http://www.adireaudio.com/the_grandpop!.htm ) And subwoofers are a matter of plugging numbers into a spreadsheet.
I've been waiting for ADSL service for 2 years, and the cable company has been a couple of months away from cable modem service for a year now. The Sprint guys showed up when promised, the service worked out of the box. It works great with Linux (can you say IP Masquerading?). I get killer throughput on downloads (did some 220KB/sec downloads from an FTP server last night)
The service does have some latency, (which they told me about up front), and the upload performance seems suspect.
You are buying a connection to the internet for personal use and they have priced it that way. I don't want to susidize some guy running an eCommerce site out of his basement by paying a higher monthly rate.
Earthlink includes a free website with the service so you can put up a static site.
So they don't want you doing anything illegal? or wasting bandwidth, or generally pissing off the whole Internet community. Gee, like some other ISP would encourage this?
Lest we forget VMS, which certainly had a consistency with the command parsing.