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Perpetual Motion Delorean?
An anonymous reader writes "An electric-powered Delorean that can supposedly go "hundreds of miles" at speeds over 100MPH without stopping to recharge will be tested today beginning at 8am at the Nashville Superspeedway. They claim the vehicle uses 12 standard car batteries, so the invention appears to relate to recharging the batteries." I found a website offering current updates on the demonstration of this perpetual motion device: it appears they've suffered mechanical difficulties and cancelled the test.
How much will it cost to replace the batteries once they're dead?
Going back and forth in time is NOT perpetual motion!
of an old movie where a kid makes a ship powered by his computer and a 9 volt battery...
The first posts today are more exciting that this story.
Someone you trust is one of us.
I understand that this car was created by two professors named Pons and Fleischmann, so it must be true!
C - A language that combines the speed of assembly with the ease of use of assembly.
from bad 80's jokes: isn't the Delorean the one that always follows the white lines better than others?
Creationists are a lot like zombies. Slow, but powerful and numerous. And they all want to eat our brains.
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I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself. :)
10:45 am. Greater Things News coverage has logged 1000 visits
*insert sound of maniacal laughter here*
> it appears they've suffered mechanical difficulties and cancelled the test.
They obviously forgot what happens when you hit 88mph in a DeLorean!
They claim the vehicle uses 12 standard car batteries, so the invention appears to relate to recharging the batteries."
Of course there is a flux capacitor to store charge and recharge the batteries, amongst other things, such as powering the radio.
Where can I invest in this amazing new technology!
The guy has everything to a T, travel to small podunk places and give "demonstrations" of your "perpetual motion engine" (gyro power in his case) that mysteriously fail for unrelated mechanical problems. Keep your hands on your wallets, folks.
Amazingly enough, Delorean One sells reconditioned ones for as little as $62,500. Why take the Tilley Foundation's word for it when you can play the Marty McFly home game?
You know the rest, just change bsd with delorean.
Seems to be nothing other then an electrically powered Delorean? People have been converting gas powered vehicles to Electric for years. If this is some sort of perpetual motion machine is doesn't say how it works on the site, in any detail. So that would lead me to belive it is a hoax.
Read the details, it starts an electric motor, and then recharges itself from this motor. Laws of physics say you will still run out of energy, period! Electric motors are not very efficient, 50-70% for normal motors and maybe up to 90% if you are lucky for a decent 3 phase brushless design. and secondy, wtf is up with using a Delorean?? It is a car that is finicky and breaks often at best, and that is the normal dinosaur burning model... I keep expecting to see a 'Mr fusion' strapped on the back!
Those crazy deloreans are at it again, travelling through time, defying physics. Man, what a car.
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There's a name for such "mechanical difficulties": friction. Get used to it.
I believe this was from the from the only-needs-to-reach-88-mph dept.
If your going to make a bad pun at-least don't copy it from the bloody post.
Homer to Lisa: In this house, we obey the laws of thermodynamics.
'One point twenty one jiggawatts' is what it takes from memory.
(I write this on a PC with a jiggabit of RAM, connected to the internet via jiggabit ethernet).
In this house, we obey the laws of thermodynamics.
They get it going up to 88, travel back in time a day or two and leisurely drive to their destination, perhaps seeing some sights along the way. They top off the gas tank and arrive an hour or so after they left, fooling the Newtonian masses by substituting one physical impossibility for another.
This story screams for stupid Back to the Future jokes.
/. gets done with you. You'll be begging for...{insert stupid joke here}
Please folks, save your dumber ones for the sequel.
On a related note, they got all this hype and crowds up....but didn't think to beef up the suspension, motor, drive train? Odd.
It seems the website is proud of their 1000 hits too. Wait til
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Seriously... if his system works as he says it can, this will be quite an important milestone (once they have the bearings issue worked out). We should be *encouraging* this kind of research, not laughing at it.
Considering this is a website "for Nerds" I'd expect a better reaction out of people. Tesla had a lot of breakthrough concepts regarding electricity and the ability to sucking power out of one's environment.
We should be promoting this kind of reasearch (you know, the kind large corporations might not take to kindly to). WTF is it that we'll bitch about the **AA putting down the little guy, but we're pooh-poohing someone who's trying to stand up to Big Oil and the Automakers?
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Hey, I don't come here do hear about cranks! For that amusing activity, I go to : http://www.crank.net/perpetual.html Olrik
* 3:40 pm: Still haven't heard from Ken
* 2:37 pm: Still no word from Ken.
* 1:48 pm: Still waiting for our reporter, Ken, to call in.
OMG! They killed Kenny!
"Hoaxes for nerds". Or is it "Hoaxes that matter"? Remember, don't let reality interfere with a good news story.
I Am My Own Worst Enemy
do you think the delorean went back in time?
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From the article it looks like they are quoting "hundreds of miles without recharging". A perpetual motion car would go erm... a infinite amount (as in not finite like hundreds).
They seem to be using some kind of extra high capacity battery and "a rather elegant battery charger".
I'm still unsure if its legit, but it would be nice if Slashdot didn't poo, poo, the idea without reading the links first.
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Look, I have seen a lot of comments to the effect that building a self-recharging vehicle that will run forever cannot be done. Well, Tilley has done it. I could not be more certain. Why? Because they have a web site. Go there now. You will soon see that they are completely credible, just like everything else on the web.
You'll get quite a bit of mileage with one of those Mr. Fusion jobbies strapped to it anyway.
''I don't think the oil or car companies understand what a significant breakthrough this is,'' Meland said...
If Tilley succeeds, it ''completely changes our whole picture on energy, how to use this energy to free the planet from fossil fuel.''
I bet you anything that we don't hear another peep about this (except maybe a repeat) again.
Thats impossible Marty.
Perpetual motion car - Delorean, built in Belfast
Unsinkable ship - Titanic, built in Belfast
What is this about? They say they have invented some method of producing electric power without wind/solar/hydro or fuel? It all seems like snake oil to me. Anyone have any insight into this? I just seriously doubt people who make claims like this and then give absolutly NO evidence or even a suggestion of how it is done.
Tilley wouldn't go into details about his innovation although he said he admired Tesla's work. From that, [reporter] Meland concluded that Tilley may have replicated a Tesla process and created an electromagnetic vacuum that draws heretofore untapped energy from the atmosphere.
So there you go. It's not technically a perpetual motion device, just practically one. Still doesn't change the fact that this thing stinks of negative ions...
-- Nerds on toast in the new millenium
I read Tilley's web site a bit, and they seem to be making a small industry out of perpetual motion. Its clear that they really did modify a DeLorean to use an electric motor, but beyond that their claims are vague at best. They do claim a "power source" that "uses no inputs", which sure sounds like PM. They do claim that the DeLorean does not use the PM source.
One thing is clear: they at least have the guts to show up at a public demonstration, even if they blew out a wheel bearing (no surprise on a DeLorean). Now if they would let a couple of qualified engineers take a look at the car before and after the test I'd feel better. For all I know they have a little gas powered generator hidden in the vehicle recharging the batteries.
A well-crafted lie appears unquestionable - Dama Mahaleo
You built a time mach... I mean perpetual motion machine ... out of a Delorean?
Young lady, in this house we follow the laws of thermal dynamics!
I was obliged to; sorry
put the what in the where?
Of course race cars have special suspension. That's part of what makes them race cars, but the banking in the turns serves to convert what would normally be lateral forces to more vertical forces. In other words the banking should make it easier on the wheel bearing, but harder on axle bearings. Regular street cars are frequently tested on banked race tracks even at places like Talledega which is banked at 33 degrees, Nashville is banked at 14 degrees. Oh yeah, 95 mph is not exactly high speed for a super speedway.
Excuse my French but this is just a load of crap.
Just take a look at their website for a start...
Not only do they have a totally sadistic site that insists on reloading a lame 288K flash animation every time you sneeze, but the home-page link titled "Check "Validation" page for information on the Tilley Electric Vehicle" takes you to the Nashville Speedway (Detail? Detail? We don't need no steenken attention to detail!).
Did Delorean build the site as well as the original car?
I suspect the shonky state of the website is just a small window into the attitudes and abilities that are behind the Delorean "Scammobile" they're ranting about.
Anyone with a few minutes of spare time can trawl through Google and find half a dozen or more similar scams that are supposedly based around systems that cause electric motors to also act as a generator that can recharge the battery.
Not a single one has ever been proven to work by a certified independent testing authority -- and I don't see the oil companies trembling in their boots either.
But hey, if you believe this Delorean works as advertised then you probably already have one of these stainless steel supercars in your garage -- having believed GM's claims too.
And, if you've got more money than sense, why not visit these sites for some similarly great investment "opportunities":
Free Electricity
Psitronics
Ain't it a shame that so many really clever people just never seem to get an even break eh?
ROTFL
Can any EEs/physicists confirm or deny the physics behind this claim? It sounds very similar to todays other Slashdot article.
The government has a defect: it's potentially democratic. Corporations have no defect: they're pure tyrannies. -Chomsky
Lets see - they plan to test drive a production car on a race track designed for much high performance vehicles... Real smart...
Should have just put the thing up on a dynamometer type rack and hooked up some display for showing 1) the car, 2) speed and 3) mileage on a web-cam dohickey. Have some experts (advocates & opposition) to witness and document.
They mention the work of Nicolai Tesla. That could only mean his invention of efficient, wireless electrical power transmission. He invented and extensively tested this between the World Wars.
It works by setting up resonance in the Earth's magnetic field using extremely high frequency (and voltage) AC current.
So, they have another power source, and they transmit the power to the vehicle.
The thing is really powered by a "Mr. Fusion" in the trunk.
-- Alastair
Can the Delorean generate the required 1.21 gigawatts?
Like the Back to the future.....
Marty McFly: Wait, hold on Doc, are you telling me that you built a perpetual motion machine...out of a Delorian?
Exactly how is this thing supposed to recharge itself? I tried to find information on their website but nothing turned up...?
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Doh!
god damnit man!
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WARNING: THE FOLLOWING EXPERIMENTS ARE HAZARDOUS. DO NOT ATTEMPT THESE EXPERIMENTS UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES UNLESS YOU ARE AN EXPERIENCED ELECTRICAL RESEARCHER, EXPERIENCED IN PERFORMING EXPERIMENTS WITH LEAD-ACID BATTERIES AND PULSE CHARGE AND DISCHARGE OF SAME, AND UNLESS YOU ALSO USE ALL SAFETY PRECAUTIONS SUCH AS GOGGLES AND PROTECTIVE GLOVES, SLEEVES, AND APRON. YOU MUST NOT HAVE OTHER INFLAMMABLE LIQUIDS OR OTHER SUBSTANCES PRESENT WHICH COULD BE IGNITED AND BURN OR EXPLODE. SURGED LEAD-ACID BATTERIES PRODUCE HYDROGEN GAS, WHICH CAN EASILY EXPLODE SINCE SPARKING ALSO CAN OCCUR. THE ACID FROM SUCH AN EXPLOSION CAN EASILY BLIND YOU IF IT GETS IN YOUR EYES, AND IT CAN BURN YOUR SKIN. IN ADDITION, LEAD AND LEAD COMPOUNDS ARE POISONS, AND ARE TO BE HANDLED ONLY BY EXPERIENCED RESEARCHERS. THESE EXPERIMENTS ARE NOT FOR AMATEURS UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE, BUT ONLY FOR EXPERIENCED PROFESSIONALS WITH PROPER KNOWLEDGE AND TRAINING,
More than one inventor has discovered or rediscovered a magic thing about lead-acid storage batteries powering circuits, usually without understanding precisely what it is that he has really discovered. The chemical and electrical actions going on in a lead-acid cell are quite complex, and involve interactions in both the positive plate, negative plate, and in the electrolyte itself. The usual chemical interactions primarily specify the overall changes of the plate materials from one form to the other (i.e., for charge and for discharge conditions). However, there are many other ions (including both H+ which are free protons, and free electrons) involved in the reactions.
Particularly significant is the double surface and overpotential effects. We state without further elaboration that the proper use of the overpotentials in these double surfaces can produce current that moves against the voltage. In other words, there are processes available in the battery that allow -- under very precise conditions -- parts of the battery to perform as negative resistors. When that action occurs, the very notion of charge and discharge is reversed.
Further, the multiple currents and many nonlinear mechanisms involved, allow various currents to move in opposite directions; some with the voltage and some against the voltage. Again, we leave further analysis along that line to the experts, only appealing to them that time-reversal effects must also be considered.
In other words, in addition to the external charges of molecules and atoms that they normally consider, there are also ongoing a huge variety of nuclear currents and charging that presently do not appear in any book on batteries, at least any I know of.
There are at least three major currents in such a battery: (1) the ion current in the electrolyte, (2) the electron current in the conductors (electrode materials, terminal connectors, etc), and (3) charge transfer reactions at the electrode/electrolyte interfaces. For our purposes we shall consider primarily only the ion current and the electron current, and we consider only lead-acid batteries. For an introduction to various kinds of batteries, we refer the interested reader to a fine little text by Vincent, and to other similar texts on modern batteries. For deep understanding of the electrochemistry, we refer the reader to the full series of 13 volumes by Bockris and Conway.
We shall also rather ignore the double layer effects, which are in fact quite important because they are responsible for the producing overpotentials, phase shifting of currents, etc. The present analysis can be materially deepened by taking into account the double surface layers, their redistributions of charge, the internal resistances of the cell to the various currents, etc. We leave that for the experts and encourage that it be done. Here we just wish to get at the basic servomechanism overshoot mechanism that one can evoke, which usually does not appear in conventional analyses at all. This mechanism can be used to produce (1) currents (either ion or electron or H+) moving against the voltage, (2) opposition charge densities which are then volumetrically squeezed to produce large overpotentials not normally connected with the charge transfer interactions at the double surfaces, and (3) specific phase shifting of currents.
It is our contention that, by achieving proper timing of these overshoot effects in battery in ionic current resonance, one can produce an asymmetrically self-regauging battery which charges itself and also powers its load. For the purist, there are also other mechanisms involved that are still unknown, hence accounting for the adjustments and tuning that usually must be meticulously performed.
For an equal charge, the ions in the lead ion current (say, in lead sulfate) are several hundred thousand times more massive than the electrons in the electron current. They are on the order of more than 200 times more massive than the H+ ions in that ionic current. Further, the ionic current will resonate (and probably other currents simultaneously as well, since resonance in this case probably represents a coordinated resonance among different currents) as shown by Ahluktenko, usually in the multi-megahertz range. Since the battery is so highly nonlinear in its dynamics, subharmonic and harmonic resonance effects also are present, particularly subharmonic resonances. We believe that it is also possible to couple and synchronize molecular oscillations, ion current oscillations, and material lattice oscillations in the electrodes, in harmonic and subharmonic oscillation fashion, but that is a quite different subject. Such more subtle (but can be powerful) effects may occur onl
So you can resonate the ionic current, or the coordinated currents. Relatively speaking -- that is a coordinated current dominated by massive ions with lots of inertia and overshoot when the current tries to change intensity or reverse direction, due to Lenz's law (an induced emf in a conductor is always polarized in a direction so as to oppose the change that causes the induced emf). In this case we have a multiplicity of Lenz's law effects induced when we try to change the ionic current. Some of the accompanying currents can be affected quite differently from the ion current. Because of this Lenz law complex dynamics, a simple back pop to oppose the ion current, or to accelerate it, is not a simple current and voltage matter at all. Indeed, the exact relationships in such are a quite worthy study for some exotic physical chemistry.
So we just grossly summarize, with rules-of-thumb, and delay the precision to future detailed studies by very fine laboratory teams.
Here's the rough secret: the chemistry of the battery is largely dominated and affected by the ion current in the absence of overriding electron current, while the external load is dominated and affected by the electron current alone. You can easily pick a point in the ion current resonance cycle (say, when the ionic current in resonance is in the battery-charging half cycle), and just instantly switch the electron current to oppose it.
That's a bit of an oversimplification; you actually must get the phasing correct to properly form new and increased overpotentials, precisely at the proper times so as to charge the battery and/or powering the load. Note that with currents moving in opposite directions, the intention is for one current to predominate in the battery in charging mode, while another current or group predominates in the load in discharging mode. If you powerfully oppose the ion current, Lenz's law is evoked powerfully, so that the ion current actually increases its charge capability for a moment, due to its massivity. The Lenz law emf and the back-popped emf also produce a tremendous stress potential (a scalar potential by another name), energetically lifting the ions and particles to a higher potential state.
That is, you momentarily increased the reaction cross section of those ions and electrons etc., and so you increased the collector systems' dipolarity. Thus they momentarily receive and collect excess energy from their increased asymmetry in their active vacuum exchange. In short, they momentarily asymmetrically self-regauge, which is taking on free excess energy from the vacuum. We note that the generation of the Lenz law emf effect actually comes from the atomic nuclei, but do not further explain it.
The point is, you just legitimately extracted excess energy from legitimate environmental sources. You converted the system into an open dissipative system, removing any necessity for it to conform to classical thermodynamics because it momentarily is far from equilibrium with its active vacuum environment.
Further, the inertia of the ions together with the Lenz law effects, causes the ions to continue in charging mode. This in turn volumetrically squeezes the opposing charges into a smaller volume, further increasing the charge density and thereby the potential magnitude (i.e., further increasing the asymmetry of all those charges in the vacuum exchange, and thereby absorbing more energy from the vacuum). The production of that charge density squeeze produces a new kind of overpotential that we can use to power the load (i.e., in electron discharge mode) at the same time that the ion current continues to charge the battery.
You've just got yourself a true free energy or negative resistor effect, if you can master it and use it with proper timing. Note that by simple switching (very sharply, in 5 nanoseconds or less) and phase relationships, you can take power electron current in the external circuit in the discharge mode, by simply letting this overpotential be connected to the external circuit to energize the Drude electrons. And you are momentarily doing that while you are still charging the battery.
Since you are going to be producing discharge pulses of Poynting energy flow from the overpotentials onto the external circuit in brief spurts, it is wise to use the pulse discharging to also charge a current smoothing capacitor of proper capacitance. Therefore you convert your overpotential pulses in the external circuit into smoothed rippling current through the load.
If you elaborate on these processes and play with them for awhile (like several months!), you can also see how to phase things in either DC through the load fashion, or AC through the load fashion.
But the point is, you really can induce one or more processes that allow simultaneously charging the battery (changing the chemistry in the charging mode) while discharging energy onto the Drude electron gas in the external circuit, powering them up and thereby powering the load.
And you have not violated any laws of physics or thermodynamics, and the conservation of energy law is enforced at all times.
Presently I know of no other book or paper that has such as its stated goal. The books and current research seem to all try to coherently organize and synchronize the various battery processes and currents to maximize charging and maximize discharging efficiency, while keeping the two completely separate. On the other hand, our purpose is to decoherently organize and synchronize the various battery processes and currents, to accomplish charging of the battery and discharging through the load to power it, simultaneously. In short, we seek to convert the battery and its processes into an open dissipative system capable of overunity operation, and all the way to self-powering operation while powering a load also.
The ion current can only sluggishly slow to a stop for its reversal; it requires it a finite amount of time to do that. So it continues right on charging the battery for awhile. During that ion current hysteresis or overshoot time, you have a tremendous charge density squeeze occurring. This gives you an overpotential to use, and you can use it in dramatically different manners, simultaneously, on differing current types.
So you produce a large overpotential in spike or very sudden buildup, essentially for free or nearly so. The other end of that overpotential can be connected (switched onto) the load to deliver a surge of power (sorry for the normal terminology!) in the load because of the surge of the overpotential across it. If you time it correctly, you can get a much higher voltage surge from that overpotential, across the load's impedance. And that means you generate a higher electron current through that load, which consequently produces greater power because of the overpotential, than what you yourself had to pay for.
Clever devil that you are, you used that massive old ion current's overshoot to squeeze the charge density dramatically upward and almost freely form that overpotential for you. Then you adroitly (and quite suddenly) connected that overpotential near its peak, right across the external circuit electrons, to power the load, and let 'er rip.
After all, applying a voltage V to a circuit is in fact asymmetrically regauging that circuit and changing its collected energy. The magnitude of D V or overpotential is a measure of the additional amount of asymmetrical self-regauging of the system you obtained. It's a measure of how much more the system was opened to receiving excess energy freely from its active vacuum potential environment.
Who says you must have all the currents in the entire battery-external circuit systems all in phase or nearly so? Simply put, you wish the ion current in the battery to be about 180 out of phase with the electron current in the load. And as the ion current oscillates, you wish it highly overpotentialized in the charge mode, and very much less potentialized in its discharge half cycle (for resonance conditions).
You need just the opposite in the electron current through the load. You need that current highly potentialized whenever it is flowing through the load. If you use DC power in the load, you must disconnect the overpotential formed by the back-popping squeeze and let the smoothing capacitor discharge to power the load, during the discharge half of the ion current
Let me warn you that you must use microwave switching techniques, and you must switch in 5 nanoseconds or less; one nanosecond is better. The entire overpotential is likely to be over in about 20 to 40 nanoseconds, depending upon the specific battery, load, and other circuit conditions. Capacitance effects may extend this in some cases up to a microsecond. So if all you know is ordinary motor switching, go get the services of a microwave switching engineer first. The average motor switching fellow will be amazed at the notion of switching so suddenly. The microwave switching engineer will simply shrug his shoulders and say, Piece of cake! He does that every day without a second's hesitation.
But as you can see, working your way through all this and getting everything timed just right, is still a significant undertaking. It's not a simple thing at all. You can also see why so many ordinary switching guys have failed at it, and why most of them were incapable of replicating John Bedini's little battery-popping self-powered motor system.
If you are very clever with your measurements and timing, you can get that ion current to keep on resonating, and use it as a very stiff oscillating spring on which to store and release larger amounts of energy in terms of electron charges and potentials. You can manipulate the potentials, including the overpotential.
You can essentially do what Nikola Tesla did in his circuits: You can shuttle potential and potential energy in different directions in different parts of your overall circuit, use multiple currents and multiple current directions. You can control what you do energetically in the various parts of the circuit. And you can eliminate the back-emf phenomenon that in the normal current loop with single current type is responsible for always killing the source dipole. Now you can continually restore the dipole and power the load independently, simultaneously.
There are many variations on the above, at least four major ones. There are many additional ones when you apply other timed oscillations (LC oscillators), inductors, etc. to the circuit. In all, there are at least a hundred or more major variations you can make to this basic circuit operation. All have something to be said for them. Various inventors have discovered various ones of them.
The end result is the partial removal of the Lorentz condition that is normally restored by forcing the killing of the source dipole. Now you can dramatically reduce the amount of killing, and in fact have a net restoring, while at the same time increasing the power in the load.
A Recommendation to the Department of Energy
We urge the experienced electrical laboratory teams in the DOE to give this one a real try. It's nearly all just ordinary theory, only with multiple currents having dramatically different response characteristics, all in the same circuit loop. There is also a little servomechanism theory involved, as well as the charge density squeeze to provide a large overpotential. You need microwave switching, and asymmetrical self-regauging thrown in. It's quite straight forward, it can fairly readily be made to work by an experienced lab team, and it's not expensive. But it does first require a dramatic change in the mindset of the experimenters and a completely different view of what you were taught as conservation of energy. If you cannot get past that orthodox practice of accounting only for the dissipated Poynting energy component, you will never understand it or do it. You are also treating and using a battery as the highly nonlinear system it really is, not just as
We again strongly warn the reader against casually experimenting with this, unless you are an experienced researcher, know what you are doing, and take proper precautions! This is for experienced lab people only. Even then, they must use all the proper procedures and precautions. You experiment with this at your own legally assumed risk.
Still, big financial empires don't give up their empires without a real fight -- by fair means or foul. And that fight includes the ruthless suppression of true negative resistors. Such as the really excellent battery poppers.
Bedini's Battery-Popper Motor
http://www.icehouse.net/john1/john.html
John Bedini is one of the most creative inventors on this planet. He is also a close friend and colleague. It was my great privilege to be able to work with John for several years. Though it was sad that he had such an inept pupil!
John built several experimental motors (both electrical and magnetic) in the overunity area, and performed successful transmutation experiments. John is a recognized genius in high-end sound amplifier development. Many audiophiles worldwide still swear that the Bedini amplifier is the best and sweetest-sounding audio amplifier ever built. Even the test engineers for leading audiophile magazines have said so.
One of John's battery-powered electrical motors, e.g., ran continuously off its battery for about five years, and kept the battery charged. When you realize that such a small electric motor is only about 35% efficient, then you realize that about 65% of the energy flowing out of the battery was being dissipated in the motor as heat, core losses, etc. So the unit was continuously performing work for that five years. The 1/8 hp motor represented a load in which the continuous rate of work being done (the rate of energy dissipation) was about 0.08 hp.
The little device was a battery-popper, and we have already covered the theory of such units in the treatise above. We need not repeat it here.
John built a variety of other motors and generators, some of extremely novel design. Several of these units did work at overunity performance.
John also was active in assisting other young inventors to get started.
I can assure you of one thing. If I personally ever succeed in this area, then there are a few people who are going to be endowed. John Bedini is right up there at the top of the list.
Nelson's Self-Regenerating Back-Popped Battery Power Unit
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Microwave switching engineer Bill Nelson and a colleague became interested in Bedini's little motor. So they met with John several times, discussed the theory of its operation at length, and even called me a time or two to see what thoughts I had... Once they thoroughly understood the principles, they reasoned that the motor was just a load, and all the action was in the battery as controlled by the switcher. Bedini confirmed that this was correct.
Being expert microwave switching engineers and not motor engineers, they just used an ordinary lamp for the load. In the theory of such battery poppers below, we will see that microwave switching techniques are required. However, that posed no problem for Nelson and colleague.
Before very long, they had a battery-popper working in the overunity, self-powering mode. It would keep its battery charged and also power the lamp.
Nelson took his little demonstrator to his work (a large aerospace engineering firm) and showed it to his fellow engineers and scientists to test their reactions. He stated that (1) a few were naïve and would believe anything anyway, (2) some would instantly become hostile and disturbed and promptly leave, (3) some would become agitated and immediately wish to argue, even in a tirade, and (4) a few would closely examine the unit, with real scientific curiosity and open-mindedness though skeptical...
At one time Nelson investigated putting a little kit on the market, but legally it was inadvisable. Popped lead acid batteries produce hydrogen gas and can explode. Someone very naïve would have hurt themselves, and entered a lawsuit.
So there the matter rested. We corresponded sporadically for a few years, then that was that. But Nelson and colleague had demonstrated both the necessary and sufficient things to prove the concept and mechanism: (1) independent replication and (2) independent qualified testing which showed overunity operation.
Watson's 8 kW Battery-Popper Motor
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Jim Watson successfully replicated Bedini's device (with direct advice from Bedini). Watson made improvements and modifications, and eventually was able to build one and adjust it as he wished. He demonstrated an 8 kW device at the first International Tesla conference in Colorado Springs.
Later Watson was moving toward development and marketing.
Then Watson and his entire family disappeared. Neither Bedini nor I could locate him. Neither could his financial backer, the late R. J. Reynolds III. This was a researcher and friend whom I was in contact with several times a week. Then bingo! Nothing further.
He abruptly and completely broke off all communication with everyone. A squirrelly message was left on his answering machine for a few days, saying he had moved (but not in Jim's voice). Then it too was removed. And that was that.
Eerily, it seems that if you call the police in the town where Jim Watson lived, they will tell you he still lives there on the same street in the same house. At least that's what they told a friend of mine who checked a few months ago, which is years after Jim and his family originally disappeared. And that check may be the oddest thing of all. The police implied on the phone that Jim and his family never disappeared. Everything fine. AOK. And that's a bald-faced lie. He and his family did disappear. No one could find them, regardless of how they tried. His financial backer couldn't even find him.
The clear implication is, stay away from that one. Somebody from the dark side may have made Jim the offer he could not refuse. One may never know what really happened, whether or not Jim ever surfaces again -- or has already surfaced again and is living there very, very quietly. But Jim's entire overunity motor effort ended abruptly, even though highly successful. And even though the motor was almost ready to be put into production.
Watson has not been seen at an energy conference since that sudden mysterious disappearance. No one has had a phone call from him. I have not found anyone I trust who has seen him again.
You have not seen a Watson overunity power system go to market. You almost certainly never will.
Yet Jim's device was perfected to the point where he could make the things like pretzels, adjust them readily, and they worked every time. They could have been put into mass production very easily. Obviously that made him a grave threat to the Energy Cartels around the world.
At rare intervals, the Energy Cartel does suppress an invention and an inventor by making the inventor an offer he cannot refuse, in Mafia terms. Presently the going price when that offer is made, is $10 million. You take your $10 million, quit all research, quit your contacts, and you live. But you live very quietly, although you live very well financially.
The engineers who measured Jim's 8 kW machine there in Colorado Springs are still alive. And they know what they measured.
There's one other little thing. At that same International Tesla Conference in Colorado Springs, the folks who were in charge (for the energy barons) of suppressing all successful overunity devices in the Western world were also there when Jim demonstrated his 8 kW device. There is a certain effect which happens in a battery sometimes for a large overunity battery popper unit like that, if the device is for real. Time-reversal operations and wave transductions can occur, resulting in time-excitation charging inside the battery materials, in a negative time charge sense (remember, the overunity operation is a negentropic operation). After a machine of that type and with that particular internal effects has been used to furnish energy for quite a while, you can make a definitive test on it. Simply hook it to a normal battery charger for that size battery, and start to charge it. You then may find to your surprise that the power will just seem to disappear in that batte
The reason is that wave transduction occurs of your charging spatial energy into time-energy, and so you have to furnish rather enormous energy to get a little bit of that negative-time charge reversed. After you fill that seemingly bottomless pit, then suddenly the negative time-charge will have been eliminated, and at that point the battery will start to charge up in quite normal fashion.
It is significant that Jim's battery was stolen right out of the machine. Whoever did it, almost certainly knew how to test it to find out if Jim's generator was actually a true overunity device. If so, then they tested it and found that indeed it was genuine.
And there was only one group there who would have known that little tidbit.
Dated: 1999
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First off, The article says that the banked trak is much harder on the suspention, because it was not designed for that, I dont really by it. The banking of the track would help to reduce the lateral load on the bearings because the force would be diverted downward somewhat, so the car would just seem heavier from the suspention's point of view. The radius of the turn is not that great either so the lateral load on the bearings would not be substantially greater than driving strait. Of course the car is old so it is plauseable that the bearings could go out in a test like this, although I would not think that it has anything to do with the test conditions, just that it is old. Given the explaination, it seems like a cop out, like they planned for the bearings to "go out" during thier test so they would not have to prove thier technology. This sounds an awful lot like the guy who said that he had created a way to send data through power lines because he "bypassed the transformer". That guy gave no information on how it was capable of being done but he made a lot of money selling his idea to investors. He never did actually complete a demo because there was always some new problem.
on another note though I did not see anywhere in the description where it stated that the car was perpetual motion so it might actually be some other innovation, although the lack of details bothers me, I think that if this where not a hoax that maybe the guy doesnt have a patent.
"Alcohol, cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems" -Homer Simpson
"Tilley's device is an "on board" technology that keeps the battery bank in a state of full charge..... even after establishing a new distance record the meters will show the batteries to be full ! "
So, the "on board technology" is a chewing gum stuck in the meter?
Man, if I had a clever idea like that, I would also name it after myself.
Is the Delorean not notoriously heavy due to the stainless steel body? so much so that the spare tire is thinner to save weight. This seems like a very unusual choice to try and make a PM machine. Also the usual problems with heat and friction and all that physics crap stopping people from becoming perpetually rich. But according to the website, the gull wing doors made it an obvious choice.
Someone get these guys a copy of Consumer Reports' car reliability guide!
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This reminds me of that time on Simpsons where Lisa reluctantly says her catch phrase, while everyone else in the room doesn't understand that they are sheep.
What do they feed the gerbils on the treadmill/generator?
Flux capacitor charing off a Mr. Fusion?
Well...there's this one.....
Again, we leave further analysis along that line to the experts, only appealing to them that time-reversal effects must also be considered.
And there's also this one......
under very precise conditions -- parts of the battery to perform as negative resistors. When that action occurs, the very notion of charge and discharge is reversed.
And of course...my personal favorite....
energize the Drude electrons!
..carried out on a Delorean? Seriously, there's the obvious Back to the Future refernece, this experiment, and I remember several early solar powered car experiments being conducted with Deloreans. The car hasn't been built in *years*...surely it's easier to grab a 2nd hand Honda Civic than find some vintage 80s sportscar and retrofit it. Maybe it's the "coolness" factor...plus they can't afford Ferraris.
John Maynard Keynes: "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do?"
i go to slashdot all the time, i really enjoy it. But every once in a while, the rulers of slashdot waste my time with some confused article about some new 'beyond physics' scam. If I wanted to see claims about perpetual motion, or unlimited energy, or how the moon landings were faked, I would go somewhere else. Slashdot is a high-quality info source, but it could be a little higher by eliminating this sort of crap.
1. DeLorean 2. Batteries 3. ??????? 4. Profit!!!
Hearing about non-stop EVs makes me wonder,
how far is the farthest run any non-space vehicle
has done. 2,700 megawatt-years from one core
works out to a lot of batteries.
nt.
I've always been attracted to stories like this, in about the same way that people slow down by accidents on the freeway. What gets me is how obvious the scam is when you're not the target, yet how unbelievably effective the scammers can be.
From the site, _Latest Developments at the Nashville Superspeedway Demo,_ we see:
Friday, September 6
* Tilley Foundation is ready to go for the Saturday, Sept. 7 demonstration of their car at the Nashville Super Speedway. They plan to drive 700 miles at highway and race speeds without ever stopping to recharge their batters, though they will change drivers a few times, under tight scrutiny. The batteries are recharged by a proprietary internal process. 10,000 people expected to show up to watch. (Sept. 6, 2002)
A big claim. Watch how the actual test diverges from this description.
Saturday, September 7
*~8:40 am. In the course of 10 minutes, the car began making laps, driven by Carl Tilley. It did about 13 laps at 70 mph, stopped three or four times at pit for some reason. Apparently [retrospect] Tilley could tell there was something not going well with the drive train (related to bearing going out).
Gosh, the car stopped in the pit "for some reason." I wonder what's happening while it's in there. I'm sure they'll be under "tight scrutiny," though.
*~8:50 am. The car is stopped in the pit. Channel 5, local TV affiliate is at the event. The mechanics are checking under the car -- something about an axle bearing going out. They are measuring the voltage on the batteries. The array of 12 batteries charged at 160 volts this morning, and coming back into the pit now, they measure at 139 volts. Tilley said something about six volts were lost during start-up.
*~8:55 am. As the car is sitting there in the pit, with people watching on, the voltage is coming up on the batteries, up to 140.4. "It's like it is recharging from the sky or something!" reports Ken. Tilley reports that the voltages even out on an open stretch according to previous test drives.
Yeah, "or something." Notice how the voltage goes down when the car is making laps, and goes up when it's in the pit. As compwizrd points out, a battery that is under heavy load will recover a little when the load is removed. My own guess was that they'd use the pit time to put a "voltmeter" on the batteries, where the voltmeter had a concealed charger. If they were really planning to go 100 miles, that's one way to pull off the scam.
*9:20 am. Tilley was driving 95 around a corner and he heard something pop. The chasis/bearings are going out. The suspension on the car is not equipped to handle this kind of track. It puts too much pressure on the bearings. "The car is not going to move again today." Race cars have a special kind of suspension to handle tracks at high speed, so it won't put a bind on the bearings. The curves are banked. Regular cars not designed to handle that -- even the DeLorean. "It's a street car, even though it looks like a race car." The car is a 1981. It's just too much for it. The batteries stayed up, kept it charged.
*9:45 am. The demo is temporarily halted due to circumstances unrelated to the technology itself. The wheel bearing is relatively simple to replace, and may take a couple of hours; then the car can be up and running again on the track to continue the demonstration. DeLorean owner at the track said that "this happens all the time" with his car. Once, he had a wheel bearing go out twice in one month.
A nice all-purpose out clause. The test is cancelled "due to circumstances unrelated to the technology itself." If you were a potential backer at this demonstration, you'd be pretty pumped at this point. All you saw was a cool-looking car going really fast for a while, and a mysteriously increasing voltage during the pit stops.
*~10:00 am. Jan Roos, a mechanical engineer who flew down from Massachusetts as a freelance consultant for Channel 5 news in Nashville, comments that even with this demonstration of 19-20 miles, the car has traveled two thirds the distance expected to be achieved by a twelve-12-vold battery array electric vehicle, taking into consideration the 3,000 pound car, with its aerodynamic shape, going at 60 mph.
the truth comes out...
He doesn't see why the car couldn't get going again today (pending repair of the wheel bearing), so the car could surpass the 52 mile "max" point that computer models indicate given current battery and motor capabilities.
And goes right back in again. When you want to believe, there's no convincing you otherwise.
Heh. I actually remember seeing (or perhaps reading) an independant review of that "Hair-In-A-Can" stuff several years ago. The conclusion: the stuff actually sort-of works... as long as it's not raining.
I take drugs seriously.
They just travel back in time to recharge the batteries....
Persoanlly I'd go straight to the source and buy mine from the Delorean Motor Company. Of course, us poor college students can't afford anything more than Ramen noodles, so I'll stick with this.
-Mr. Fusion
News for Nerds: Perpetual motion machine does not work. Tnaks for letting us know, I never knew that. Stuff that matters: It would matter if it DID work.
one-point-TWENTY-one-GIGAwatts.
wasn't anderson (or arthur anderson as it was known back then) the auditors/accounts for Mr Delorean's car company back when he ran away with all the money and lots of people lost their jobs?
Or maybe my memory is wrong...
-- ribbit
They had a electric motor to run the back wheels. Then they attached a standard auto generator to the front wheels. The rear wheels pushed the front ones, which ran the generatoe, which recharged the battery, which ran the rear wheels. They found one generator wasn't enough to keep the batteries charged, so they added three more. Tesing in progress, needs more investors.
Who would win this election: Andrew Weiner vs Andrew Weiner's weiner.
I wonder when people will finally figure that touching a DeLorean is a bad thing. Its great the way it is...and i hate to see them pass away bit by bit by silly experiments like this. Use a Twingo...it deserves it...
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Does this not have a striking resemblance to the power source John Galt used in Atlas Shrugged? Is this fiction turned fact? They're awfully secretive, but it sure looks like it's well on its way to 1.21 Gigawatts!
that his pile of unconfirmed, unsubstantial and rather impossible manure-like content made it onto slashdot...
First of all perpetual motion is the WRONG word to be using. That can never be achieved. Nothing can go on forever, as everything wears out eventually. But it IS possible to create OverUnity, anotherwords generate more power than is being used. I use to have a list of over 30 puplic demonstation of such devices, unfortunatly everyone of the inventors have been found dead or missing shorty after... I suspect the same will happen to this guy.
...after all, he's got Gates on his back:
"...a driving range that tops out at slightly more than 100 miles, said DaimlerChrysler spokesman Gates".
Can't you bastards sympathise, or do you swear by Bill's Windows?
...we can't moderate the story. Even if we could, there's no (-1, Crackpot) or (-1, Scam), so all we could is mod it funny.
~Chazzf
No statement is true, not even this one.
Methinks Homer's "In this house we follow the laws of thermodynamics" is quite appropriate to this story.
... but it still wouldn't surprise me if there are hoards of "investors" with the average mental capacity of an amoeba waiting in line like cattle for slaughter to throw away money...
I've got a better idea, give that money to me.
The 'grandstanding' in a DeLorean looks like a prelude to a big investment scam.
When all else fails, run.
I think your memory is wrong. Zachary DeLorean (it was Zachary, wasn't it?) didn't run away. He was caught by the FBI trying to buy about 50 kilos of cocaine. IIRC, he was caught on a secret camera with a kilo bag in each hand saying "this is better than gold!" or something like that.
There is a certain effect which happens in a battery sometimes for a large overunity battery popper unit like that, if the device is for real. Time-reversal operations and wave transductions can occur, resulting in time-excitation charging inside the battery materials, in a negative time charge sense (remember, the overunity operation is a negentropic operation). After a machine of that type and with that particular internal effects has been used to furnish energy for quite a while, you can make a definitive test on it.
I'm sorry, could you rephrase that? After I filtered out all the pseudo-scientific terms the sentences didn't make any sense.
Sure, I believe it.
The name of the game is:
Take the VC's money and run!
http://www.cheniere.org/toc.html
Kinda scarry how the simpsons can be tossed into almost any type of debate for a laugh....
no wonder the delorean is so cool. it was created by a druggy.. drugs rule!
Build a perpetual motion machine
Anyone else fell like this is straight out of some bad science fiction?
phenomena, which is not a claim of theirs.
There is more info on this on another website about zero point energy. It seems a little fantastic to me. Check it out, and search for "Carl B. Tilley" on google for other dubious resources. Zero Point Energy
The claim:
.micah
For some unspecified reason, and only in a lead-acid battery, the ion-flow in the electrolyte is slower to change direction than the "lighter" electron flow in the main circuit. Thus, by cleverly and quickly reversing the flow, you can make an average ion flow in the 'charging' direction while still having an main circuit current in the 'discharging' direction, which they call "negative resistance". They claim the extra energy comes from the "vacuum".
Debunking:
Even if the electrolyte ions take longer (more energy) to reverse, that just means they take longer (yup, more energy) to get them moving in the first place. Do not pass Go, do not collect 200j.
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It's called Mr Fusion. Makes you wonder why they need all those batteries. Does kind of make you wonder why other cars don't come with one though.
I live in Nashville (Well.. Murfreesboro). I've scanned most all the local websites, including NashvilleSuperSpeedway.com. Nothing. Not one word of this thing. So.. can someone tell me why this thing would be happening but NONE of the local news agencies would say a thing about it?
I smell a hoax.
I think I'll call the speedway.
Ok, let's see here:
100's of miles at 100 Mph. => 2 hours @ 70 horsepowers (very low estimate).
70 hp => 70 hp * 700 W/hp => 50kW.
50 kW * 2 hours = 100 kWh.
1 car battery is 500 Ah (very high est) @ 12V = 6 kWh.
100 kWh required / 6 kWh per battery = 16 batteries.
I hope I didn't get my math wrong, but this doesn't look totally unrealistic as far as the energy goes. The real numbers would probably come out much lower though. The batteries would probably weigh around 500 kg, adding significantly to the horsepowers needed. And I don't think the batteries can sustain hundreds of amps for hours...
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Why are so many smart people such complete dorks? They come up with a car that handles electricity so well, and what do they make it out of? A fucking Delorean. How lame is that? They probably could have done it with an Accord or a Camry and have earned a great sponsorship with parts that wouldn't break down, and could be easily replaced, but they choose a fucking Delorean... sigh.
Out of a Delorean?
...and watched the demo.
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First, a little background. Tilley's "miracle" electric vehicle has been getting a lot of media coverage here in Nashville over the past week, and it's been a topic of conversation at work. One of my colleagues and I decided to check it out for ourselves, out of pure curiousity.
This is not the first time Mr. Tilley has been in the Nashville news. About a year and a half ago he got some publicity by claiming that he and another inventor had created a "free energy" machine, a la Tom Bearden, Dennis Lee, and Joe Newman. When people tried to follow up on his claims, he dropped out of sight. Now he had resurfaced with a claim that he was using this machine to power an electric car. What really made it interesting was that Bobby Allison was apparently promoting Tilley's claims, both on his own web site (http://www.bobbyallison.com), and by driving the car at the Superspeedway.
Being firm believers in the second law of thermodynamics, my co-workers and I expected one of three things to happen:
(1) Tilley would attempt to hide an internal combustion engine somewhere in the Delorean, and prevent people from examining it up close (unlikely, as people would hear the engine running). He might also hide extra batteries to extend the running time.
(2) The car would make very frequent pit stops in a screened area (so as to prevent the "secret" from being stolen, of course), during which the batteries would miraculously recharge themselves.
(3) The car would suffer an unfortunate "breakdown" well before the distance limit imposed by the maximum energy storage of the twelve lead-acid batteries in his vehicle.
As it turned out, #3 was the winner. In the middle of the 13th lap, the announcer suddenly announced that the vehicle had a bad rear wheel bearing. It looked to me as if the batteries were quickly reaching the end of their charge, as the car was running very slowly on that last lap. In the 12th lap, the car had zipped by fairly quickly, about 60 mph on the track, with no visible problems. Amazing how quickly a wheel bearing will go out on you, and how some people can diagnose it while the car is still moving.
Once the car had coasted into the pit, I left. I knew the demo was over, although some people in the crowd didn't (and apparently stuck around for hours afterwards!).
A few comments: my co-worker arrived earlier than me and got to see the car up close before the demo. According to him, two men with guns were standing guard and preventing anyone from looking UNDER the car. He took that as a sign that either extra batteries or an internal combustion engine must be visible from the underside.
I was in the stands with a crowd of about 50 to 60 people, maximum. Judging from the conversations around me, many of them were either investors or True Believers. I heard the usual claptrap about conspiracies, death threats by oil companies, etc., that get tossed around by the proponents of these scams.
What troubled me, of course, is that many of the investors looked like normal middle class folks, using their own savings and hoping to cash in on a world-shaking invention. They, and people like them, were the true targets of Mr. Tilley's exhibition.
As for Bobby Allison, he was there at the beginning and drove the first couple of laps, then apparently left. For his own sake, I hope he distances himself from Mr. Tilley as quickly as possible.
Finally, for those who are interested, I made a Quicktime movie of the car making the final lap (out of the pit, around part of the track, and back into the pit). You can see for yourself how slowly the car was going before the "breakdown".
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/wthwthwth/tilleyd
Someone please mirror this! I have no idea how much bandwidth Comcast will let me have, but I'm willing to bet I'll find out.
No it actaully had a bit less releavence then you thought, the eps are done 6 months in advance
From what I've been able to gather
The various "How does it work" links lead me to http://www.icehouse.net/john1/john.html
which described it as using the energy found in vacuums. I guess it's no more wrong than the Casimir Effect, except at an ionic level.
So, I think it may be possible, and it isn't a perpetual motion machine in the traditional sense that all the energy is self contained. It a regular machine that taps into a sweet energy source of vacuum.
I still would like to see it in action though.
IMarv
Trusting software vendors is no smarter than trus
He forgot to mention that the magic TEV charger is a gasoline engine, remarkably similar to the gasoline engine of a delorean.
Your post is an insidious attempt to use irony and cynicsm to lure people into complacency.
e /civil/dependable/motivated/etc. enough, and is searching far and wide for a cause (read scapegoat), his/her own closedmindedness notwithstanding, so as not to have to deal with the fact that the youth can think for themselves and some have genuinely determined using their own faculties that they do not give a flying fuck about the above?
The post undercuts all efforts at legitimate televised expression with ridicule. It makes readers think they are sophisticated by sneering at efforts to entertain the public. In reality, these people are just becoming bleating sheep.
Just look at a site like Slashdot.org, supposedly visited by intelligent people. Among some of these geeks, mere parrotting of anti-corporate sentiment passes for genuine cleverness. Sad they don't realize that they have surrendured the ability to think for themselves to what is largely a bunch of angsty anti-socials.
The enormous market of anti-corporate consumerist crap like Save The Whales mugs and lobby group memberships completes the circle. Aimless, sheeplike anti-corporate-drones become good little consumers and buy all the junk, lining the pockets of the profit-taking merchandising companies and special interests lobbyists even as they think buying a copy of No Logo from Amazon.com constitutes some kind of transgressive act. It is beyond sad.
WAKE UP! TURN OFF THE DAMNED COMPUTER!
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Ha, ha.... Only serious.
So, serisously, does Mr./Ms. Coward there:
- just like posting a good troll now and then?
- really hate the Simpsons?
- feel that the young people nowdays aren't moral/reverent/respectful/calm/friendly/charitabl
- have a contingency plan for continuing to power his/her reality distortion field, so that it can protect their ever-growing ego, now inflated several times over the legal limit?
It shouldn't shock anyone that this other vehicle was always plagued by "mechanical problems" whenever it came time for a public demonstration as well.
Does anyone else remember the Omni article? I can't remember the name of the "inventor" right now.
And the brethren went away edified.
This sounds like the movie RPM. Of course in the movie they used two cars to trick people into thinking it was perpetual motion.
-1: flamebait should really be -1: inciteful
O Beowulf!! Where art thou?
There is no such thing as perpetual motion. Didn't your parents ever teach you that? Given the choice of the transport module, with its stainless steel construction, it is obvious that they are powering the vehicle with energy stolen from... THE FUTURE!
Work it out, it does not violate thermodynamics. In fact, it actually accelerates the rate of entropy expansion.
Remember it was "proven" than man could never fly and it was also "proven" that a bee's flight is impossible and that sleath bombers could never fly. I'm sure that superconductors would have been considered to be the stuff of science fiction before they were invented (especially since they were cermanics, of all things).
Let me give you an example of a perpetual motion device, and you show me where the flaw in my thinking is. Take a glass pipe and bend it into a circle (like a cyclotron). Remove all the air. Line the bottom half of the pipe with a superconductor. Place a boat shaped magnet inside the pipe. The float will float above the superconductor. Now push the boat forward. The boat will move forward and continue moving throught the cycle foreever because there is no friction. You actually don't need a superconductor for this, a diamagnetic material (http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/levmag.htm) will do just as well, but fewer geeks know about this. If you should be able to build the device I'm talking about with stuff from Radio Shack.
You're probably saying "That's cheating. You aren't violating any laws of thermodynamics since you get the same effect if you through a ball in space." but no-one said it had to violate any laws, did they? Bees don't violate any laws of flight any more than superconductors violate any physical laws. People who said they did weren't looking at the right physics.
Here's another way. It's theoretically possible to create a device that would extract energy from the other side of the universe to perform work here. No laws are broken for the whole universe, yet on this side of the universe it would appear that some laws are broken.
Now let's get back to the car. Suppose the car was able to convert ambient heat into energy for the car. The side effect of moving the car would be that the air around the car would cool down (imagine, free air conditioning in the summer!). Such a car would appear to run forever. Granted, mass-producing such cars would cause global cooling, but there's a simple solution to that problem, dump more CO2 into the atmosphere and get some global warming going!
I did a search at uspto.gov, turned up nothing.
;)
Searching 1996-2002...
Results of Search in 1996-2002 db for:
(magic AND delorean): 0 patents.
Guess I'm gonna have to be skeptical, too
In this house we obey the laws of thermal dynamics.
"In this house, we obey the laws of thermodynamics!" (I'm very very sorry)
The photos on their website seem to show these guys indeed converting a Delorean to electricity, and they put up enough money to lease an actual racetrack. You gotta admit that puts them at least a notch above anybody claiming, for example, to have played old vinyl records through a flatbed scanner.
John DeLorean, IIRC.
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"The very essence of the technology to be demonstrated is the capability to keep the batteries "topped up" at all times with the "on board" device invented by Carl B. Tilley."
I bet this so-called device is an internal combustion engine. They said it didn't need "recharging" but they never said anything about refuelling.
The little blurb on the web sit about how 'ordinary' wheel bearings couldn't take the stress of a banked track is 100% bovine excrement. Plenty of people drive stock and near stock vehicles on the track at speed for long periods of time. Even cheap ones like Datsun 510s and Honda accords.
Now it might be that the 20 year old delorean bearing were already going bad, but you'd think that if they actually wanted to demo the vehicle, they would have done some informal testing to make sure that it was roadworthy. Which leads us to the obvious conclusion that they *didn't* want to demo the vehicle, they only want to make it look like they could. Gee, why would nice Mr. Tilly do that ?
The whole delorean thing is funny too. Why use a rare, expensive collecter car to demo your technology ? A $500 ford escort would do just as well, and you could zip over the local NAPA autoparts, who would have your wheel bearings in stock, and you could swap them out in a couple of hours. OK, maybe the $500 escort is too ugly for publicity purposes. How about a $5000 Honda ? Maybe all that stainless steel is needed to sheild the dilithium crystals.
Can you hook up an oscillation overthruster to it?
. . . they've suffered mechanical difficulties and cancelled the test."
Yeah, they suddenly discovered the second law of thermodynamics. In an interview they said, " why didn't somebody tell us?"
KFG
According to something I found at Google's, it's John Zachary DeLorean
They didn't use 30 weight oil on the ball bearings in the Fetzer valve and......damn, wrong movie.
Well then the problem was John BigBoote stole the Osillation Overthruster and.........crap.
What movie had a Delorean?
An electric-powered Delorean...
All you need is a Mr. Fusion, or a bolt of lightning, to get your 1.21 gigawatts.
That's because they're thinking fourth demensionally. Once you reach 88mph, those traffic lights and stop signs won't even be there.
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This is what the article says:
See the difference?
If you read the web site, it describes how the building they altered the car in is powered by ANOTHER device:
I mean, come on, even if you ignore the laws of physics, these guys came up with two different perpetual motion machines. Ugh.
Cogito ergo sum in Slashdot.
Imagine a Beowulf Cluster of those
(i'm sorry, it had to be said)
Lisa! In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!
"I took a drive in a vehicle once, and we went 200mph on the desert in New Mexico... then I drove it and we went 200mph again. Then I looked inside the hood, and I saw something the size of a shoebox... I figured it must have been nuclear." Now, I dont remember the guy's name or e-mail or anything, and for privacy's sake I probably wouldnt release them, because who knows if the guy was sane or not... but, this seems like a hoax.
I've heard of over unity devices for years, and everyone says they are a scam. But I have not heard of anyone actually building one to test. So, I did a quick google search, found some schematics. http://www.geocities.com/theadamsmotor/solidstate. html
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Fnord.
How about %100 ???
I think the issues with Perpetual Motion Ideas are that they try for slightly more...
(Other than that, Voyager is kinda a %100 eff perp. motion machine, till it hits something.)
Why is this here? This is so obviously a hoax. I thought we were smarter than this.
Take a minute and go to google and search for "perpetual motion machine". You'll get a bunch of links - all to various machines built by "scientists" who claim they will revolutionize the way the world works. Sometimes they use "entropy", sometimes they claim to suck heat out of the air. Sometimes they give no description at all. You won't find one working prototype though.
Whats next? Slashdot posts a link about a sick group of art lovers making bonsai kittens?
Or maybe a story about a company that sells human meat.
Watch out, according to the email inflammable liquids are flammable. Zoinks!
If the car could somehow tap into Slashdot comments about "Thermodynamics," Simpsons quotes, and movie-reference-jokes, it would have a nearly endless supply of fuel!
We can neither love nor pity nor forgive. If you make a slip in handling us you die!
... I'll believe it when I believe it.
... that this crap would appear on a page supposed to be run by technically savvy folk.
I think a Bendini wheel just rolled by my window. ...must post to slashdot right away...
it just keeps going and going and going... WOW !
They claim the vehicle uses 12 standard car batteries, so the invention appears to relate to recharging the batteries.
But do those 12 batteries generate the required 1.21 Gigawatts required for time travel? I think not... Better look for the nearest clock tower...
Ordinary car batteries are designed for a big
draw at once to turn a starter motor, deep cycle
r.v. type batteries are designed for longer use, at lower amperage, not a spike such as a starter motor would require. You would think that they would use ordinary r.v. deep cycle batteries. Electric/and or hybrid vehicles have undergone tons of development lately, but Ford has just dropped work on an all-electric car, and will continue on with a hybrid, to be introduced in a year or so. All the big carmakers have long ago investigated the use of "golf-cart" batteries, and have developed their own to go with their designs, having spend lots of $ to do that. I doubt anyone can, without a lot of development time and money, come up with a design that will use a bunch of ordinary car batteries, and move a car the size of a delorean very fast for very long.
- Standard disc brakes are hardly fade-free. Regardless, this specification is mostly irrelevant.
- The rear louvers (window slats) probably increase drag compared to a rear windshield only by creating turbulence behind the car.
- Stainless steel is heavier than a regular steel body. Is that a good thing?
Rather than get a car that will give you the best chance for success, they choose a technologically outdated car with a bad reliability record. Why? Because it looks like it will work.Perhaps a racing stripe will make it faster?
Useing only household objects. A cat, toast and some butter. I think I saw this on Mr. Wizard once...
We could stick a blender on the Delorean, put banana peels in it and insist everyone calls the blende "MR FUSION"...
Hate me!
McGyver is their "field technician". He'll have it up and running in no time. With a FLUX2(tm) to boot!
10 MD
After stripping out all the scientific bull crap about how this works I ended up with:
"I'm a fucking moron"
Your statement is almost certainly based on nasty rumor. I drive a DeLorean (and love it). They are actually very reliable cars, and very easy to work on.
They definitely had a few pretty serious factory flaws, but 20 years has provided rock solid solutions for these problems, and any DeLorean properly maintained is likely more reliable than most other 20 year old cars.
no energy in, no energy out, it's pretty easy to rule this one out.
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things now do go much farther and run longer on less power than they ever have before, the lcd alarm clock on my desk runs nearly a year on one AA battery. But when you take into account the the digital circuitry in the clock is microscopic and the lcd material consumes almost no power you also realize that its reall accomplishment is nothing more than having very little waste.
now ianaam (i am not an auto mechanic) but if memory serves me correctly a Delorian is a substantially weighty automobile. If you were an intelligent individual, wouldn't you use some lightweight mazda miata or something of the sort?
now they claim the car is only able to travel 9.8 miles without their "TEV" unit. This means that the combination of that motor, battery source and
chassis is essentially inefficient.
If the only power to the motor is from the batteries and the engine/chassis never changes, this "TEV" would have to either make the engine highly efficient or recharge the batteries.
heat and friction would dictate there's not much to be done by a black box to make the motor that much more efficient; So logic would dictate they must be "charging" the batteries. This is fundamentally impossible, many people don't realize there is a direct coorelation between electrical, heat and physical energy. There is a limit on how much physical energy be derrived from a unit of electrical energy. they claim to be going 100 miles on 12 car batteries in a delorian? lets look at the raw math with no friction or waste.
<begin technical energy conversion babble>
1 horsepower (1hp) is a measurement of mechanical energy that it takes to move a 1 pound object 550 feet in one second. (550 flb/s)
1hp=550ft * 1lb / 1sec
a deLorean weighs 1400 lbs. (http://www.dmcnews.com/backissues/feb98files/dml
(i'll assume for now that the gas engine weighs the same or less than the electric motor and it's 12 batteries)
in a perfect world with no friction or waste
550 ftlb/sec in 1 hp
100 miles is 528000 feet
there are 7200 seconds in 2 hours
a total mechanical energy of 186 hp is expended to move the delorian 100 miles in 2 hours (50 mph)
186hp = (1400*528000/7200) / 550
or 93hp to move it 100 miles in 4 hours (25mph)
93hp = (1400*528000/14400) 550
a decent car battery can output about 50-60 amps per hour
that's about of 600-720 watts for an hour.
1 horsepower is approximately equivalent to 746 watts.
i'll asssume these batterys kick arse and deliver 1hp for an hour
Their 12 batteries would deliver a theoretical 12hp/hour or 6hp/2hr
their choice in chassis and batteries alone dictate that their maximum distance would be
6hp=(1400lbs*y ft/7200sec)/550fps
y=16971.43ft
y=3.214 miles
the electricity in the 12 batteries, only has enough energy to move 1400 pounds 3.21 miles.
No matter what you do to it, reguardless of the efficiency of their motor and any magic they do to the electricity, that's all the energy they have to work with.
</end technical energy conversion babble>
as for magic recharging:
If you take energy out of the battery to turn the wheels to a speed, a 100% efficient use of the spinning wheels to charge the battery to it's origional state would take the car back to zero miles per hour. It's a "you can't have your cake and eat it too" scenerio.
People did once think that the world was flat, fine, they were entitled to. Physics was a fledgeling. We knew very little about anything. Since those days, many very intelligent people have been teaching intelligent children for years, who grow up with those teachings, learn more and grow to teach others. We're grown past primary ingorance now. (most of us anyway)
people who fail to quickly debunk this type of farce lack the general physics education to recognize the impossibility.
Don't bust on the poor guy's amazing new vehicle. All you need to know you learned in High School physics. The only impressive part is the frictionless coating spray he invented. You see, using a perfectly efficient electric motor to get the wheels moving, the batteries are only necessary to supply the amount of energy necessary to accelerate the car's mass to the desired speed. Since the wheels are toothed but frictionless, they get down into the pavement on a small scale and push the car forward but yet do not create any other by-product except forward motion. When it's time to hit the brakes, a perfectly efficient turbine is switched on to re-convert the mechanical energy from the car moving forward back into electricity with which to recharge the batteries. With no power steering, this means the car uses no energy during normal operation. To charge the batteries further, the car also salvages some energy from when you turn the ignition and press on the brakes. The reason it kept breaking down was because one of the frictionless bearings was not sprayed totally with the frictionless spray. Problem is, you just can't run the windshield wipers, AC, or radio yet. That's where the really amazing free energy source that runs the building the car was constructed in comes in...
~Ben
The answer is obvious. Tilley FOUND the vehicle and is too dense to understand the real principles behind it. He made up all that BS about TEV because the name on the parts didn't sound "real enough." We all know that proper DeLoreans from the future run on Mr. Fusion!
FYI a battery indeed acts as a negative resistor, injecting current into the circuit.
:-)
The problem is that the energy for that must come from somewhere
You cannot proceed from the informal to formal by formal means
I can get a Delorean to keep moving damn near forever too. It only involves getting it to escape velocity...
I know this whole perpetual motion thing is great and all, but come on, tell us what we REALLY want to know...where's the flux capacitor? :)
And they've been used rather successfully for many years in other vehicle applications. Just no one has bothered to apparently try it with an electrical motor. The gasoline powered motors turn an alternator, that then charges the battery. The difference here, of course, is that the batteries are also powering the engine at the same time. I'd be very willing to guess that there is also a Solar battery charger applying here as WELL as the alternator charger, to make up for the energy lost in the conversion, and the energy that is used to power the motor that turns the wheels.
A few alternators (available at your favorite motor parts store), plus a few solar 12V battery chargers (available at your favorite RadioShack), = enough power to likely keep those 12 12V batteries charged.
Do not underestimate the power of Solar energy. it's not perpetual motion, but it might be as close as we'll ever come to it.
"Champagne for my real friends - and real pain for my sham friends!" http://ericblade.postalboard.com/
current going against the voltage, indeed. mysterious effects, my arse. suspend normal thought patterns long enough to be taken in, yah sure you betcha then, Ole. all these guys need to do is provide one to the Patent Office, go on a celebration trip, and if they have invented a perpetual motion machine, the President himself will carry the left front grip of the sedan chair to Stockholm.
hasn't happened, won't happen, ain't never a-gonna happen. only Jesus took a couple loaves and fish, and fed an ever-growing crowd with food left over, and only once, and he's God's right hand man. these guys claim to do the same with energy. they have only proven they can do it with bullshit, and that record will, IMHO, stand.
if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
What happened to your list? Did the Men in Black sneak into your den one night?
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Do I look like I speak for my employer?
Yes, "ENERGIZE THE DRUDE ELECTRONS!" may well be the new battlecry of our generation, just like "Free the Indianpolis 500!" was to previous ones ;-)
1. DeLorean 2. Cocaine 3. Feds 4. Indictment!!!
i didn't mean to hit "enter" but...
88mph is fast for a delorean.
"Tread softly because you tread on my dreams"
Hopefully this stupid survey conducted by Ipsos-Reid will not cast doubt on the importance I see of a strong and supportive partnership with our brothers to the south.
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Quoting, Seven in ten (69%) Canadians think that the United States, because of its policies and actions in the Middle East and other parts of the world, bear some of the responsibility for the terrorist attacks on them, while 15% indicate that they believe that the U.S. bears all of the responsibility.
The question is overly broad and thus meaningless, additionally the timing is both inconsidered and just a cheap way of creating news by bashing Americans. Supporting a soverign nation (Israel) in its struggle for acceptance and a right to exist, and deploying military forces in Saudi Arabia when asked, does not constitute a justification for the cowardly act of September 11th.
For more information, here is an article, but more importantly, I think we should all Ipsos-Reid what we think of their "make news bullshit by bashing Americans" at
John Wright
Senior Vice-President
Ipsos-Reid Public Affairs
(416) 324-2900
To my American brothers, I am sorry for this type of survey, see to it that Ipsos-Reid doesn't do it again... Take the time, even if it is just a two-word email!
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I particularily liked the part about free protons.
Paul Anderson
"I drank WHAT?!" -- Socrates
A few people have built hobby vehicles that way. Surplus APU turbines aren't that expensive if you don't insist they be flight-qualified. Perhaps that's what they did, and they had an APU failure.
The biggest problems with zero point energy is that it can cause one's chakras to explode and crop circles to appear in neighboring fields. Some have tried to prevent these dangerous side effects by surrounding the zero point field with spiritual crystals and a tape recording of wiccan chants, but so far they have not been successful. It is clear that zero point energy is the future, and after these few minor bugs have been worked out, it will replace fossil fuels in a matter of months. Rumor has it that the original formula was revealed by a trio of angels which descended from heaven and gave the inventor the instructions on gold tablets. Unfortunately, the tablets were lost, and the inventor has been struggling ever since.
I didn't see anybody else point it out, but you know voltage is not the same as power, or energy. On their web site, and many other overunity electrical sites, they always talk about voltage going back up to the starting point after use. This does not violate any physics laws at all, as it is energy that is conserved, not voltage. All it would take is a device which maintains constant voltage at any current setting, even if the current is almost zero.
This is most certainly a hoax. Perpetual motion, for one is impossible, and secondly, the people mentioned in the links from the site, Namely Dennis Lee, have been de-bunked more than one time by Robert Park (http://www.bobpark.com). And recently, the 'magnet' 'electromagnetic vacuum' that they discuss was recently re-rejected by the USPO., after they accidentally granted it a patent. Not possible, no question about it.
They only harnessed a lightning bolt ONCE in back to the future. Though I am amazed at how they did it since they didn't have the exact second at which it hit..
But, in this case, without a lightning strike every once in a while, how're they going to keep the batteries charged? we all know perpetual motion doesn't exist.. the friction would take it away. And there's much friction with cars... Maybe a very tall lightning rod, only running it on rainy days?
-DrkShadow
I think 12 or 16 big car batteries actually COULD overload the suspension and break something, including the bearings. Not that I think that happened in this case. I seems more likely that Tilley faked the problem. I'm just saying it isn't completely out of the question because lead=acid batteries are heavy.
Don't moderate flamebait as Troll. Know the difference or you will be Meta-moderated.
It's funny how perpetual motion machines are always showing up, but their "inventors" never want to test them under meaningful conditions.
How about this for a test. You take this car, you put its drive wheels (rear wheels on a DeLorean, right?) on one of those two-wheel spin-mount jobbies that lets a car basically spin its wheels in place, you pit a brick on the accelerator, and you see how long it goes until it fails. Another part fails? Replace it and keep going.
Of course, they would never submit to such a test, no matter what -- because it would be far too easy to show that they're full of crap.
"Destroy science and religion. Science would re-emerge exactly the same; but not religion." - Penn Jillette, paraphrased
It does not. Resistors are defined as devices that obey Ohm's law. If you increase the current across a battery, its voltage will not increase accordingly. (It will, in fact, decrease due to internal resistance.)
Lisa, In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!
we can rebuild this sig. we have the technology
He discovers the basics of electrocity and then ponders why no one but him ever thought about feeding it back into the motor from which it came. Dam good ideal Tilly! Only a trailer trash dwelling hill billy from Tennesse would think of something like that! Now I wonder, who the hell taught him how to setup a multipage website? ;-)
The magnetic field strength would drop off exponentially with distance. This would provide a wireless energy source as long as the distance remains somewhat short.
This perpetual motion trick may work wonders as long as the coil is hidden and the vehicle never travels far from coil. So they take the vehicle to a redneck loop, set up a giant Tesla Coil inside a plastic bust of Dale Earnhardt (since they know that nobody would dare question the bust of Lord #3) and amuse the masses by driving in circles.
They probably blew a transformer or their beer-bottle caps (lossy at high frequencies and tend to explode when used in coils) and had to cancel the event.
Is there anyone who lives near this place that can take a small loop of wire and go check for an existing magnetic field that could cook electronics?
Oh wait, cooking electronics, maybe that's why Ken's cell phone didn't work. Do you really think a cell phone could transmit through the EMF noise caused by ol' sparky? Even afterwards, the phone may not work anymore.
So, this explains the charging of the batteries, the need for a racetrack, and Ken's phone not working.
This just looks like one of the millions of stickered out cars in the world. Claiming to be something it's not.
What about their triplet ship, the Britannic?
Here are some lovely barnacle-encrusted underwater shots of the Britannic. She was even bigger than her sister ships and was originally named Gigantic. (No, I'm not making that up.) She ended up served as a hospital ship during WW I, and was sunk.
Of course, there is a REASON why they do this. It's yet another 'perpetual motion' device. You show me a molecule that will last forver, and then MAYBE I'll waste valueable toilet-reading time to your device. :)
jX [ Make everything as simple as possible, but no simpler. - Einstein ]
Again, we leave further analysis along that line to the experts, only appealing to them that time-reversal effects must also be considered.
The time-reversal effect, such as going back in time? *Of course* that has to be considered, it's a DeLorean, what did they expect???
Tilley Demo Prematurely Terminated by Wheel Bearing Failure Due to Snake Oil Shortage.
This exact story was already debunked in Voodoo Science. I think it was a Chrysler instead of a Delorean, but it's the same story and almost certainly the same 'inventors'.
Yes, but the blackboard sequences can be added up to 12 hours before the deadline via computer (so I've read from Sam L Brooks). Secondly, it wasn't shown the day after, it was ADDED.
"You know you don't act like a scientist, you're more like a game show host." Dana Barret
Tilley was given the car by very exotic looking aliens a few years back when he was fondling the cows a late saturday night. It runs on manure and is hyper-efficient in that it has a never ending supply of it from several orifices in the inventor's body.
But it seems to have been "affected" by the Kashmir effect.
If you've ever been in a delorean (the ones at universal studios excepted) then you'll realise that the speedometer is pinned at 85mph.
Still I have no doubt that it could do that speed without too much effort.
My other concern would be the fact that deloreans are fecking heavy beasts - completely the opposite of any other pure electric (or even hybrid) car i've seen.
I posted about some of this before... rejected on the 23rd April :-)
Real free energy exists and has been patented, and is science, not pseudoscience - this man understands Maxwell equations. However, this seems to be a different technique, if we believe the grain of truth in the pseudoscience above. The batteries could charge themselves if time was reversed, and this was scientifically discussed by real, self respecting scientists and psychologists at a conference in eastern Europe early this year, but I can't find a reference for it. It was probably linked here.
Of course everyone knows that in order to energize the Drude electrons one must throw a crew member into the furnace.
Oh wait. That was the Druuge.
The Druuge Mauler has pitifully slow energy regeneration and when unable to shoot the ship is a sitting duck. To compensate for this weakness, the Druuge has a matter-to-energy converter that transforms crew members into instant bursts of power. Each time this special power is activated, one crew member is "tossed into the furnace."
Once more unto the breach dear friends...
Well, i like to show off a little. ... driving school ... ... speed: limit of machine ... ... ... ... really fast. ...
Golf IV TDI (90 PS)
lesson: german autobahn
speedometer showing 190 km/h (Forerun! Real 172!?)
That's nearly 110 MPH, i'm not in the driving school anymore.
I want to drive fast
A DeLorean is to weak and is to far heavy
for anything more than cruising an american highway.
I bet the acceleration is awful slow.
Even with the original gasoline driven engine.
Thank god it's a hoax.
I've converted those boxes onboard to cellular web connectivity devices. When the battery is about to run out, the "perpetual motion devices" contact the Sears online catalog and order 10 more Die Hards. After completing this our "Virtual GPS", pops up a MapQuest map to the nearest Sears Hardware store where you can pick them up. In this case, we still never have to recharge! Coast to Coast, baby! Of course we can still go coast to coast near the tip of Florida without these devices ever even being activated.
If the 'research complex' that built the car has been supplying it's own energy... why is there a power pole to the right of the building, on the 'about page'... if *I* had invented a machine that worked like this... i'd set myself up as a 'green' power company - over here in australia, you can sell power back to power company (gov't owned) and get grant money! but i doubt it works... =)
Obviously the oil companies (whilst standing on the grassy knoll) sabotaged the bearings to stop the demo.
So if the oil companies are taking it seriously then there must be something in it.
But seriously, if this is a hoax, they've gone to a great length to embarrass themselves infront of everybody. Or it could be double bluff?
I also like the part about their factory on one of the other pages:
This is where the little alarm bells start ringing and warning flags go up. I knew it! The car and the factory must be powered by Black Magic! Doubtless they have summoned small demons and bound them to little squirrel cages hidden inside the works somewhere... the price: your soul! Muahhahah...
Clickety Click
Is this ironic? Or is this just stupid...
/. anyway? Just to make us readers feel smart? Or for laughs? If it's the latter, then it's really nerdy, unless there actually is an investor somewhere who believed it and invested...
Btw, why is stuff like this posted on
Just look at a site like Slashdot.org, supposedly visited by intelligent people.
/. a new and better place for intelligent people to discuss things that really matter.
Oh! You were expecting some kind of elitist intellectual website? Sorry, they haven't instituted a minimum IQ level yet, but I'm sure your offtopic blasting of a humorous cartton is a first step towards making
The Simpsons is insidious corporate tool designed to use irony and cynicsm to lure people into complacency. [...] Sad they don't realize that they have surrendured the ability to think for themselves to a frivolous cartoon.
"Oh, Marge, cartoons don't have any deep meaning. They're just stupid drawings that give you a cheap laugh."
You can't take the sky from me...
The REAL question is why have batteries at all if the car can keep them at 100% the whole time, and still move. Drop the batteries, save a few hundred pounds of weight, and let the dohickey that charges the batteries drive the motor.
For sure. Without the device, it allegedly goes for 9.8 miles using conventional battery power. Fine. If you need 144V with reasonable power capability, you don't need to carry around 12 car batteries; 12 gel-cel batteries or even a big stack of Ni-MH D-cells ought to get the thing moving for a second or two to kick in The Magical Device. They claim ordinary car batteries, which are about 40lb each.
Of course, there is a REASON why they do this. It's yet another 'perpetual motion' device. You show me a molecule that will last forver, and then MAYBE I'll waste valueable toilet-reading time to your device.Oh come now. You know this is powered by cold fusion. Fleischman, Pons and the University of Utah are somehow behind this one, too. [grin]
If it sounds too good to be true, it is. Especially when it disobeys the most fundamental laws of nature. Take the silly little golf cart motor out of the DeLorean they butchered, put the original Renault-Volvo V6 back in there, and stop dreaming about saving the world with Radio Shack science.
Tesla would be rolling over in his grave over having his name being spouted in the same sentence as these guys.
Fire and Meat. Yummy.
"This perpetual motion machine she made is a joke, it just keeps going faster and faster. Lisa, get in here! In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!"
Except the boat in the vacuum chamber will never work for very long (for the reason I described).
The most rabid believers in American Exceptionalism are the exact same people whose policies are destroying it.
>constant voltage at any current setting, even if
>the current is almost zero.
In fact lead-acid Batteries operate in a Voltage range of 12-13 Volts. That is 13V when they're fully charged and 12V when they're nearly empty.
The 12 Volts are easily maintained by an empty battery if there is no current (amperes). The question is: how does this guy maintain the battery voltage when he is drawing current from it to power the car. In a normal situation the voltage on the battery should drop significantly (0 volts in case of a short circuit). As every electrical engineer should know: it's impossible to build an ideal voltage supply, as this would mean having access to infinite energy because it would be possible to draw an infinite ammount of current out of the ideal voltage supply.
Sounds suspiciously like our old friend Madison Priest. You know, super-duper high bandwidth over phone lines as long as you have his 'magic box' (and some cleverly hidden coax...).
It appears that Michael has reached a new low. Incredible.
I drive my beautiful 21 year old daily. She's got a few issue-- but she's 21 years old!
The first few hundreds cars had a couple of problems-- GEEZ-- they went from dream to production in a matter of years compared to Detroit and Japan's lifecycles of development. Have you looked at the amount of recalls on the average Detroit new model? Then compare that to the handful of recalls on the DMC12 before they got them ALL right before the end. My girl runs like a warrior princess-- heh heh!
Sexy and racy and advanced for her time. ooo la la.
"You may all go to hell and I will go to Texas"
Sen. Davy Crocket to US Congress, Nov. 1, 1835
It never happened like that. He was aquitted on all charges.
And yup, AA was in there; and they may have screwed him too (cooked the books against him).
His story is very much like Tucker; JZD was going against the grain and they busted him up.
I don't doubt that many inventions have been lost (and company's lost) because it cut into someone's deep pocket books. I want to believe in Tilley... but....
"You may all go to hell and I will go to Texas"
Sen. Davy Crocket to US Congress, Nov. 1, 1835
I found your credulous article on the Tilley electric Delorean most discouraging, for two reasons.
First, it demonstrates the utter failure of science education in this country. Even most journalists, who are generally more literate than most people, suffer from near-total scientific illiteracy. Our civilization is heavily dependent on science and technology, and wise public policy making demands that everyone in our society have a clear understanding of at least the basics.
Second, it gives real electric vehicles (the ones that don't violate the laws of physics) a bad name.
In researching your story, you could have dusted off your physics textbooks and explained the laws of thermodynamics in simple layman's terms: when it comes to energy, you can't get something from nothing.
I know that journalists are trained to get and present both sides of a story. That's a laudable policy when covering politics. But when it comes to well established physical laws, not every opinion is equally valid.
I hear that the test at track didn't go well. Pardon me if I'm not too astonished. Supposedly the problem was a broken wheel bearing. Right. Why don't you do some real investigative journalism and expose this fraud for what it is?
As for real electric vehicles, I've been driving the GM EV1 for over four years. Since I don't have Tilley's magic box, I have to charge it regularly. Yet I still find it entirely practical and useful. Too bad most readers of your story will treat Tilley's failure as further evidence that all electric vehicles are necessarily doomed to failure.
Phil Karn
1) The Delorean is NOT heavy. My 5-speed, V6 Delorean weighs just over 2700 pounds; about the same as my previous car, a 4-cylinder Plymouth Laser.
2) The government-regulated speedometer only goes to 85. The car can obviously go much faster than that. 85 MPH was NOT any faster back then than it is today.
3) The flux capacitor and 88 MPH jokes really get old. Do you honestly think you're so creative because that's all you can come up with?
4) There is no such thing as perpetual motion, and Tilley is selling crap. Too bad he's defacing Deloreans to do it.
...just my 2 gil.
Forget the flux capacitor, this baby must also have an oscillation overthruster...
-- stream of did I lock the front door consciousness
Actually there are a lot of speeed limits on the autobahn these days. And if there are none, traffic is so crowded that you can't go fast anyway.