You're trying to be funny but you were closer to the truth than you realized. I've been working on the concept of a food tower. Essentially it's a skeletal structure that would use either hydroponics or container plants or both. Ironically the plan was for a 20'X20", as in 400sgft, footprint so it'd fit in the space of a two car garage or a normal backyard. It would be a two to three story open structure made of rebar or pipe with rows of hydroponic pipe or plant containers space 32" apart vertically. Counting the ground row it would give you ten rows each 160' long or 1600' linear feet in a 20X20 space. You can also create rows across the top and by staggering the planting double the length by having inside and outside rows. Including the double rows and figuring a 120' of rows across the top you get a total of 3320'. That's just short of a quarter acre of growing space in a 20X20 area. You just need a single pump and it gravity feeds from there. If you live in an area with moderate weather you should be able to provide most of your food for a family of four in the space of a garage. Add in a 20X20 greenhouse for cooler weather and to start seedlings and you'd be in good shape for year round fresh food. It's our whole approach to food that needs to change. Check out this video for a prime example. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfScfxkmWw4&feature=related They are growing a million pounds of food on three acres. I did the math before I saw any of the articles and videos and I'd say it could be done on an acre. 3 to 5 acre farms could feed a 1,000 people each including most of their meat except for beef, cattle require lots of grass. A 15 to 20 acre could provide all the chicken, pork and fish as well as shrimp for a 1000 people with even some cattle and sheep. I'm talking free range field raised not factory. All the food would be organic and pesticide free. Most of the water is recycled in this type of farm and they produce their own mulch so it's a semi closed organic system. We need to rethink how food is producedto survive the next 100 years.
Newtek's Toaster was one of the first steps into cheap digital broadcasting. In was an all in one digital switching and titling system. There are afordable 1080P display cards finally. I ran into that problem years back when I had to edit a 1080P film. The display cards we had were high end but they still couldn't handle that much information. There are three critical elements to actually handle 2K content. Your hard drive array has to be fast enough, your busses and cabling have to be able to handle that much information then your display cards have to be powerful enough. Obviously your need fast enough processors and enough ram as well. Anyone of the elements that's not fast enough and you have a bottle neck. They might want to look into firewire networking. It's been around a long time but hasn't been widely adopted. The speed should be adequate for what he's quoting. It blows away Ethernet.
You can argue minerals all you want but it doesn't change the fact Mars has massive water features. Also they keep finding signs of sedimentary rock. Even some of the first rover pictures have shown it. Taking the evidence as a whole there shouldn't still be a debate about water on Mars. It's a waste of energy and resources. They should be focused on what happened to it? Was most of it lost to space or is it trapped deep in the soil?
They are effectively comparing one source of factory food against another source. The real issue is soil management, pesticides are only part of the problem. If the soil is depleted of copper, iodine and zinc no amount of nitrogen fertilizer will add those back, they are elements! Often they don't even suppliment iron and it's basic to plant health let alone human health. I guarantee 90% of all supermarket food is factory food whether it's organic or not and with most chains it's a 100%. Unless you actively restore the micronutrients then they are depleted. You can't keep taking them out of the soil and expect them to be there after a 100 years. Modern fertilizer is focused on nitrogen to make plants grow bigger. Factory farms make money off volume not mineral content. Also you only have to let a field go fallow for 3 years to call it organic. Most of the pesticide is still in the soil. That's why they still get moderate levels in organic foods. Also the farm up the hill may still use pesticides so it runs down onto the organic fields. I want a REAL test between managed soil and factory farms. It's like doing a chemistry test and leaving out half the chemicals. Why would you expect to get a good result??? This is purely about proving food raised on pesticides, sand and nitrogen is just as good as organic food that is raised on sand and nitrogen. It isn't even science it's common sense! Add in rock dust, kelp or worm castings then see what they tests show. Those things don't have a lobby so they aren't considered important. This isn't about feeding the world it's about making food more profitable.
There are chemicals that can cause it but the other option is all the fertilizer resulted in a red tide, a type of algae. For wildlife it's as bad or worse than a chemical spill. The blooms can come on suddenly and should fade once the food source gets used up.
Potentially open source/hackable standards change faster than established ones. The iTouch/iTunes format seems pretty stable and there's talk of a streaming service. The units are a couple of a hundred each and easy to upgrade. There's a limit to the number of devices that can fall under the same content but it still seems like an easy solution. You can go with an Android solution to fight the Apple standard but name one that will exist ten years from now with any certainty?
"Take all my taxes, draft people, use those milimeter wave scanners on every street corner, suspend the constitution, I don't care, just keep these terrifying slimy things out of my cerebral cortex!!!"
For a minute there I thought you were talking about Fox News.
One shows Romney by 1 and the other shows Obama by 3. The state breakdown is the most telling to me. The fact Romney has to win most all the swing states to win makes it a tough road for him. All Obama needs to win is Florida or there are several two state combos that make it an Obama win. It's going to be close but unless Trump digs up that mythical African birth certificate then it's likely an Obama win. The joke is the Congressional elections are far more important. If the Republicans win the house again it's likely 4 more years of gridlock. If they win both houses then Obama gets spoon fed Republican plans. The outlook is bleak no matter the results.
Excuse me while I say WTF???? People are fighting mad over an iPhone 5 that no one has admitted exists so far??? I might as well say the iPhone 6 will support Firewire 1600. Prove me wrong! Time people get a life!
Okay you piss off billionaires and the countries behind them then squeal like pigs when they come after you? I think "dah" is a simple answer to the situation for both he and Assange. Sure in an ideal world you can say it wouldn't work this way but why is anyone surprised that that powerful people want them off the street??? If you try to fuck the bear in the ass he's likely to chase you up a tree. Why is this shocking? They are talking tens of millions but they are multibillion dollar a year industries. If you piss off the right people there's no where you can hide. Say this isn't the way it's supposed to work all you want but in the real world this is reality.
All these "enhanced procedures haven't stopped a single terrorist. We are constantly inconvienenced and harassed all for nothing!!!! Even the shoe bomber was caught on the plane not before boarding. All this is for the illusion of safety and has nothing to do with stopping terrorists. Even the strip search X-rays haven't foiled a single terrorist plot. In ten years of microscopes up your rectum they can't point to a single case where the TSA has stopped a terrorist. Even with all the billions spent on new equipment and rights abused the actual terrorists are found before they get to the airport or on the plane itself not during check in. What is the value of the TSA? Zero, zip, nada unless you sell water and coffee in the post check in shops then they are a gold mine!!!
Unfortunately herbal remedies and Homeopathy tends to get lumped together. I know first hand many herbal remedies work and some legit doctors have been prescribing them for decades. Athletes use Arnica for muscle strain and I found it works pretty well on migrains for lessening the symptoms. Cinnamon has been found to be at least as effective as most of the diabetes medicines used for controlling blood sugar peaks and it's also recognized as a stimulant. There are hundreds of medically proven herbs that are cheap and effective with potentially thousands more untested that are in traditional medicines. Homeopathy on the other hand to me is mostly snake oil. Things like diluting a compound and having it still be effective is just plain silly. I'd consider most of it placebos. The problem is there's no clear line between herbal and homeopathy. For back aches I call Tiger Balm, Arnica and ice packs the holly trinity. To me they are herbal remedies but you find them in the homeopathic section of health food stores and some drug stores. Herbal remedies should be government funded because they are inherently cheaper than factory drugs and with fewer side effects. The problem is there's been so little testing since the drug companies don't stand to get rich or get exclusive rights to them so it's hard to make rules as to which are truly effective. There's things like Goat Weed that is a herbal Viagra that is effective but then again people still take ground up Rhino horn which is expensive snake oil. With all the hundreds of billions a year that are spent on drugs there should be government testing on herbal remedies if for no other reason than saving money. The problem comes in the form of resistance from drug companies. Cheaper solutions threaten profits so don't expect government standardized testing of most herbs any time soon if ever.
This still seems to hold to the archaic view that Europeans migrated from the middle east to Europe were as it's now believed the earlier migration was from the north. That would also support the Eurasian origin of those languages. It also explains pesky issues like similar words in Russian dialects which the up from Turkey route fails to explain. Much like the migrations themselves the languages more than likely had multiple sources. It's a little like looking for Adam and Eve when we interbred with multiple branches of the family tree. Modern humans are hybrids as are our languages.
Recently on Slashdot, somebody called Neil Armstrong "one of the greatest men of the last century". (I think Armstrong would have been livid at that description; like you, he hated minimizing the contributions of a lot of nameless people.) When I pointed out the absurdity of that description, I got flamed up the wazoo.
People need heroes.
I may have been the person you are blasting because I referred to his accomplishments as among the greatest in human history. It's one thing to do the math to send a man to the Moon but it's another to strap your ass to the rocket that sends him there!!! Armstrong will still be remembered long are your mods are forgotten! Science aside some one still needs to show the courage to climb into the rocket and flip the switch. Apollo 13 should have ended this argument. These guys kept their cool when faced with near certain death. You try keeping your wits in a tin can thousands of millions from the nearest repairman. These men were heroes by every definition I know!!!!!
Can't we for a while at least stop ascribing a success, which is due to the hard work of a very large group of people over a long period to one man, and further look for some magical parallels where there are none?
How soon they forget. When Steve Jobs came back Microsoft was having to prop up the company to avoid monopoly charges and Apple was still trying to sell slower technology for twice the money. Say it takes a team all you want, without Jobs Apple would have likely gone bankrupt so I'd give him some credit for their success.
Do we bring back extinct hominids? There five that died out recently enough to have left DNA and we've recovered DNA from several of them. Bringing them back would open a Pandora's Box of issues about rights and how they could survive in a world where even Amazon tribes are disappearing at an alarming rate.
It's funny how only two species of recent hominids are commonly known when there were actually five within the last 35,000 years. Most of those died out in the last 15,000 years. the five species are Homo Sapiens, Neanderthals, Denisovans, A group known as the Red Deer people, and Homo floresiensis (hobbits). There is debate about the red deer people since no DNA has been found. Their features are very primitive so they are likely a unique group. All survived until near the end of the last ice age with the exception of Neanderthals. When I was growing up the common belief was that except for Neanderthals we out competed the other groups very early on in our history, that obviously wasn't the case. The most interesting thing is none of the other species other than possibly Hobbits which were isolated, there are stories of them into the 1800s, made it past the end of the ice age except for Homo Sapiens. Living conditions should have improved but they either weren't as adaptable as we were to the changing conditions and diet or we out competed them for the resources since it was around that time humans spread to the Americans and extended their range in Europe and Asia.
The early Russian space program treated Mars as more of a target than a destination. They were a volume business and yes they aimed a probe at Mars but there was a low probability of it surviving. I'm old enough to remember the probe impacting. I thought it was a testament to how hard it was to land a probe on Mars. The truth is they were more obsessed with the attempt than the success. You've got to remember that here we are 40 years later and the Russians have yet to land a man on the Moon. They've had lots of success with orbiting the Earth because it's easier and cheaper and they played the odds. The US was more cautious in the early days allowing the Russians to get the upper hand but we have largely ruled ever since. Obviously Mir was more successful than Skylab but once again it was because they took more risks and a low tech approach.
I can just see the cable breaking and some fool tries the stunt of jumping just before it hits. Given the gravity I wonder just how much force his head would have when it hit the ceiling? A study of that could be worthy of an ignoble award.
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You're trying to be funny but you were closer to the truth than you realized. I've been working on the concept of a food tower. Essentially it's a skeletal structure that would use either hydroponics or container plants or both. Ironically the plan was for a 20'X20", as in 400sgft, footprint so it'd fit in the space of a two car garage or a normal backyard. It would be a two to three story open structure made of rebar or pipe with rows of hydroponic pipe or plant containers space 32" apart vertically. Counting the ground row it would give you ten rows each 160' long or 1600' linear feet in a 20X20 space. You can also create rows across the top and by staggering the planting double the length by having inside and outside rows. Including the double rows and figuring a 120' of rows across the top you get a total of 3320'. That's just short of a quarter acre of growing space in a 20X20 area. You just need a single pump and it gravity feeds from there. If you live in an area with moderate weather you should be able to provide most of your food for a family of four in the space of a garage. Add in a 20X20 greenhouse for cooler weather and to start seedlings and you'd be in good shape for year round fresh food. It's our whole approach to food that needs to change. Check out this video for a prime example. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfScfxkmWw4&feature=related They are growing a million pounds of food on three acres. I did the math before I saw any of the articles and videos and I'd say it could be done on an acre. 3 to 5 acre farms could feed a 1,000 people each including most of their meat except for beef, cattle require lots of grass. A 15 to 20 acre could provide all the chicken, pork and fish as well as shrimp for a 1000 people with even some cattle and sheep. I'm talking free range field raised not factory. All the food would be organic and pesticide free. Most of the water is recycled in this type of farm and they produce their own mulch so it's a semi closed organic system. We need to rethink how food is producedto survive the next 100 years.
Newtek's Toaster was one of the first steps into cheap digital broadcasting. In was an all in one digital switching and titling system. There are afordable 1080P display cards finally. I ran into that problem years back when I had to edit a 1080P film. The display cards we had were high end but they still couldn't handle that much information. There are three critical elements to actually handle 2K content. Your hard drive array has to be fast enough, your busses and cabling have to be able to handle that much information then your display cards have to be powerful enough. Obviously your need fast enough processors and enough ram as well. Anyone of the elements that's not fast enough and you have a bottle neck. They might want to look into firewire networking. It's been around a long time but hasn't been widely adopted. The speed should be adequate for what he's quoting. It blows away Ethernet.
You can argue minerals all you want but it doesn't change the fact Mars has massive water features. Also they keep finding signs of sedimentary rock. Even some of the first rover pictures have shown it. Taking the evidence as a whole there shouldn't still be a debate about water on Mars. It's a waste of energy and resources. They should be focused on what happened to it? Was most of it lost to space or is it trapped deep in the soil?
They are effectively comparing one source of factory food against another source. The real issue is soil management, pesticides are only part of the problem. If the soil is depleted of copper, iodine and zinc no amount of nitrogen fertilizer will add those back, they are elements! Often they don't even suppliment iron and it's basic to plant health let alone human health. I guarantee 90% of all supermarket food is factory food whether it's organic or not and with most chains it's a 100%. Unless you actively restore the micronutrients then they are depleted. You can't keep taking them out of the soil and expect them to be there after a 100 years. Modern fertilizer is focused on nitrogen to make plants grow bigger. Factory farms make money off volume not mineral content. Also you only have to let a field go fallow for 3 years to call it organic. Most of the pesticide is still in the soil. That's why they still get moderate levels in organic foods. Also the farm up the hill may still use pesticides so it runs down onto the organic fields. I want a REAL test between managed soil and factory farms. It's like doing a chemistry test and leaving out half the chemicals. Why would you expect to get a good result??? This is purely about proving food raised on pesticides, sand and nitrogen is just as good as organic food that is raised on sand and nitrogen. It isn't even science it's common sense! Add in rock dust, kelp or worm castings then see what they tests show. Those things don't have a lobby so they aren't considered important. This isn't about feeding the world it's about making food more profitable.
There are chemicals that can cause it but the other option is all the fertilizer resulted in a red tide, a type of algae. For wildlife it's as bad or worse than a chemical spill. The blooms can come on suddenly and should fade once the food source gets used up.
Potentially open source/hackable standards change faster than established ones. The iTouch/iTunes format seems pretty stable and there's talk of a streaming service. The units are a couple of a hundred each and easy to upgrade. There's a limit to the number of devices that can fall under the same content but it still seems like an easy solution. You can go with an Android solution to fight the Apple standard but name one that will exist ten years from now with any certainty?
Wow, so the California State Legislature really is a bunch of parasites.
For a minute there I thought you were talking about Fox News.
One shows Romney by 1 and the other shows Obama by 3. The state breakdown is the most telling to me. The fact Romney has to win most all the swing states to win makes it a tough road for him. All Obama needs to win is Florida or there are several two state combos that make it an Obama win. It's going to be close but unless Trump digs up that mythical African birth certificate then it's likely an Obama win. The joke is the Congressional elections are far more important. If the Republicans win the house again it's likely 4 more years of gridlock. If they win both houses then Obama gets spoon fed Republican plans. The outlook is bleak no matter the results.
It couldn't help but remind me of this Simpson title scene. http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/10/11/the-simpsons-banksy-opening-sequence/
Excuse me while I say WTF???? People are fighting mad over an iPhone 5 that no one has admitted exists so far??? I might as well say the iPhone 6 will support Firewire 1600. Prove me wrong! Time people get a life!
Okay you piss off billionaires and the countries behind them then squeal like pigs when they come after you? I think "dah" is a simple answer to the situation for both he and Assange. Sure in an ideal world you can say it wouldn't work this way but why is anyone surprised that that powerful people want them off the street??? If you try to fuck the bear in the ass he's likely to chase you up a tree. Why is this shocking? They are talking tens of millions but they are multibillion dollar a year industries. If you piss off the right people there's no where you can hide. Say this isn't the way it's supposed to work all you want but in the real world this is reality.
All these "enhanced procedures haven't stopped a single terrorist. We are constantly inconvienenced and harassed all for nothing!!!! Even the shoe bomber was caught on the plane not before boarding. All this is for the illusion of safety and has nothing to do with stopping terrorists. Even the strip search X-rays haven't foiled a single terrorist plot. In ten years of microscopes up your rectum they can't point to a single case where the TSA has stopped a terrorist. Even with all the billions spent on new equipment and rights abused the actual terrorists are found before they get to the airport or on the plane itself not during check in. What is the value of the TSA? Zero, zip, nada unless you sell water and coffee in the post check in shops then they are a gold mine!!!
Unfortunately herbal remedies and Homeopathy tends to get lumped together. I know first hand many herbal remedies work and some legit doctors have been prescribing them for decades. Athletes use Arnica for muscle strain and I found it works pretty well on migrains for lessening the symptoms. Cinnamon has been found to be at least as effective as most of the diabetes medicines used for controlling blood sugar peaks and it's also recognized as a stimulant. There are hundreds of medically proven herbs that are cheap and effective with potentially thousands more untested that are in traditional medicines. Homeopathy on the other hand to me is mostly snake oil. Things like diluting a compound and having it still be effective is just plain silly. I'd consider most of it placebos. The problem is there's no clear line between herbal and homeopathy. For back aches I call Tiger Balm, Arnica and ice packs the holly trinity. To me they are herbal remedies but you find them in the homeopathic section of health food stores and some drug stores. Herbal remedies should be government funded because they are inherently cheaper than factory drugs and with fewer side effects. The problem is there's been so little testing since the drug companies don't stand to get rich or get exclusive rights to them so it's hard to make rules as to which are truly effective. There's things like Goat Weed that is a herbal Viagra that is effective but then again people still take ground up Rhino horn which is expensive snake oil. With all the hundreds of billions a year that are spent on drugs there should be government testing on herbal remedies if for no other reason than saving money. The problem comes in the form of resistance from drug companies. Cheaper solutions threaten profits so don't expect government standardized testing of most herbs any time soon if ever.
This still seems to hold to the archaic view that Europeans migrated from the middle east to Europe were as it's now believed the earlier migration was from the north. That would also support the Eurasian origin of those languages. It also explains pesky issues like similar words in Russian dialects which the up from Turkey route fails to explain. Much like the migrations themselves the languages more than likely had multiple sources. It's a little like looking for Adam and Eve when we interbred with multiple branches of the family tree. Modern humans are hybrids as are our languages.
Short answer: no.
Recently on Slashdot, somebody called Neil Armstrong "one of the greatest men of the last century". (I think Armstrong would have been livid at that description; like you, he hated minimizing the contributions of a lot of nameless people.) When I pointed out the absurdity of that description, I got flamed up the wazoo.
People need heroes.
I may have been the person you are blasting because I referred to his accomplishments as among the greatest in human history. It's one thing to do the math to send a man to the Moon but it's another to strap your ass to the rocket that sends him there!!! Armstrong will still be remembered long are your mods are forgotten! Science aside some one still needs to show the courage to climb into the rocket and flip the switch. Apollo 13 should have ended this argument. These guys kept their cool when faced with near certain death. You try keeping your wits in a tin can thousands of millions from the nearest repairman. These men were heroes by every definition I know!!!!!
Can't we for a while at least stop ascribing a success, which is due to the hard work of a very large group of people over a long period to one man, and further look for some magical parallels where there are none?
How soon they forget. When Steve Jobs came back Microsoft was having to prop up the company to avoid monopoly charges and Apple was still trying to sell slower technology for twice the money. Say it takes a team all you want, without Jobs Apple would have likely gone bankrupt so I'd give him some credit for their success.
Do we bring back extinct hominids? There five that died out recently enough to have left DNA and we've recovered DNA from several of them. Bringing them back would open a Pandora's Box of issues about rights and how they could survive in a world where even Amazon tribes are disappearing at an alarming rate.
It's funny how only two species of recent hominids are commonly known when there were actually five within the last 35,000 years. Most of those died out in the last 15,000 years. the five species are Homo Sapiens, Neanderthals, Denisovans, A group known as the Red Deer people, and Homo floresiensis (hobbits). There is debate about the red deer people since no DNA has been found. Their features are very primitive so they are likely a unique group. All survived until near the end of the last ice age with the exception of Neanderthals. When I was growing up the common belief was that except for Neanderthals we out competed the other groups very early on in our history, that obviously wasn't the case. The most interesting thing is none of the other species other than possibly Hobbits which were isolated, there are stories of them into the 1800s, made it past the end of the ice age except for Homo Sapiens. Living conditions should have improved but they either weren't as adaptable as we were to the changing conditions and diet or we out competed them for the resources since it was around that time humans spread to the Americans and extended their range in Europe and Asia.
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The early Russian space program treated Mars as more of a target than a destination. They were a volume business and yes they aimed a probe at Mars but there was a low probability of it surviving. I'm old enough to remember the probe impacting. I thought it was a testament to how hard it was to land a probe on Mars. The truth is they were more obsessed with the attempt than the success. You've got to remember that here we are 40 years later and the Russians have yet to land a man on the Moon. They've had lots of success with orbiting the Earth because it's easier and cheaper and they played the odds. The US was more cautious in the early days allowing the Russians to get the upper hand but we have largely ruled ever since. Obviously Mir was more successful than Skylab but once again it was because they took more risks and a low tech approach.
They fact they found a pair of boots next to a jug by the crater leads me to believe some ones still blow up on them.
I can just see the cable breaking and some fool tries the stunt of jumping just before it hits. Given the gravity I wonder just how much force his head would have when it hit the ceiling? A study of that could be worthy of an ignoble award.
Now we know why geeks are so pale.