Incorrect. Copyright belongs to the creator of a work at the moment of creation. The copyright notice only establishes the date the rights were exercised for a certain option Ie, the book was published in 1985, that is simply when the option such as "First north american rights" were exercised. Even if the work was written in 1972, the (C) date will be the date it was first published. That does *NOT* mean there was no copyright from 1972 to 1985 (example dates).
As far as "going out and copyrighting it" you mean registering the copyright. That is simply a legal device which the holder of a copyright can use to further protect their work, but it does not in and of itself establish a copyright.
Remember: Copyright is implied *at the moment of creation*, even in legal terms. Regardless of intent to publish, or any other intentions.
Example: I write a poem and put it in a personal journal. The journal is stolen, and the poem published under someone else's name 5 years later. Even though I did nothing with the work, even if I did not intend to do anything with the work - the copyright belongs to me - assuming I can prove that I wrote it. Having such proof is the only reason one should consider "registering" a trademark. There are of course, other ways of establishing such proof, but we won't go into that:)
As far as file-sharing being illegal....
That's a big load... there are works on kazaa that are shareware, trial versions... home videos.. public domain e-books, self-produced songs, etc. Admittedly, one has to search a bit to find them... But it's an awfully crazy world to say that uploading ANYTHING on p2p should be a felony...
And it would be an incredibly crazy law not to specify uploading of "copyrighted materials to which you do not have specific legal rights to distribute" or something to that effect...
If such a law were to pass without that wording, I would be inclined to film my own home video simply to see if they had the nerve to prosecute me for sharing my own material!
>Perhaps a micro-socialist system could be >implemented for those who are out of a job? To give >them a job within a co-op, where they can create >their own jobs, train themselves from the resources >made available; a safety net for the unemployed, at > almost no cost to the government.
This exists. It is called by various forms - Usually a college or a University. If you're really lucky you don't have to pay it back later when you're no longer jobless. If you're unlucky you get the honor of living in concentration camps known as dormitories for 4 to 6, and then have to pay them back for mistreating you after your time is up.
Well... if we put your "all your base" line through babelfish... Imagine this is a rumor spread through a translation infested network.... Here it is translated into several languages, and back into english between each.. then the translation is translated, etc (not including japanese and korean output directly, as I'm not quite sure how well slashdot would handle that).
English: All your base are belong to us!! Spanish: Toda su base es pertenece a nosotros!! English: All its base is belongs to us! French: Toute sa base est appartient à nous! English: All its base east belongs to us! Japanese: (Can't display....) English: Fundamental east everything belongs to us Korean: (Can't display....) English: Basic the east all is attached to us
It does, however specify "transmitting the message in translated form". Thus, the translation takes place before the transmission. Which means, that by this text, it does not cover recipient translation, but rather, originator translation.
If SCO is seeking an injunction, does that mean they would have to prove to a judge that there is sufficient evidence for such an injunction? And if they do happen to convince a judge...
Well, better that IBM be the one to take on SCO rather than a group of Linux volunteers or users.
I just hope IBM doesn't cave. They've shown incredible lack of backbone in the past when push came to shove (OS/2 backing out of desktop market anyone?), let's just hope this isn't one of those times.
Nice to see the "system" in action with Due Process...
Don't think you have a good case?
Then propose to your corporate enemies:
1) Pay up a settlement or 2) Go to trial and we'll revoke all licenses we gave you, so that even if we lose the case, you'll have already lost in the marketplace.
Make sure you give a deadline that doesn't allow your corporate enemy any time to mount a legal defense, or get any court action, so that they are forced to do what you want.
Argh! This is the last straw.... Finishing up my Bachelor's degree in less than a year.... Master's program, you can wait... Law School - here I come. We need people FIGHTING these indecencies!
This is, in fact, the case. The station isn't able to play the disc, according to the article, because the guy's boss won't allow him to install the necessary software upgrade that was *included* with the CD's in question.
Why? Because the boss doesn't "understand" the technology involved.
This is an IT problem at that station, not a copyright protection problem.
Having someone change my code after the fact is bad enough, at least then they can tell (if they're paying attention) what I was trying to do.
Having them change it *WHILE* I was working on it would be horrid. Collaborative projects are one thing, but the example given I don't think is a case I'd like to see anytime soon!
Right here you'd be cutting me out. I have DSL, and my IP shows that I'm coming from Houston. Actually, I'm coming from a small town 150 miles away from Houston - it's just that SBC/Global's routing works wierd in east Texas...
If your college is like most colleges, using the dorm ethernet also sends you back to the "Dark Ages" of blocked file-sharing ports, limitations on runninger personal servers, and various other sundry you don't have to deal with when you've got DSL or a decent neighbourhood system. Cable is hit and miss on those things due to varying TOS, but DSL is definitely more hassle-free, at least at my university, than dorm ethernet.
I beg to differ. This attitude was right in 1994 maybe - that most people print a few pictures and then quit printing.
However, "many" if not "most" people today find themselves having to use their printer for much more than this.
For example, I'm a university student. I have to print not only papers and multiple drafts to take to class, but also many library catalogs offer journals in full-text online form now.
Between all the uses of my printer that are required, I use a ream of paper every month or so. Not many compared to even a small office.
When (like with a Lexmark I tossed into the trash) I can't even get 200 pages out of a cartridge, and am told that a replacement will cost $30 to $50, just for the black, and probably as much for the colour, that's just ridiculous. Would I pay $100 or $200 for a printer to have $10 or even $15 cartridges, rather than a $40 printer that costs that $30 to $50? Hell yeah. However, consumers are increasingly either not given the choice, or are not well informed. Most consumers who buy a new printer don't know to check the ink cost first. Or, worse, the printer with the features they need only comes with expensive ink.
Myself, I'm holding onto my Canon BJC-610. Recently, the refill cartridges I use have been discontinued, and I was able to buy 10 of each black and colour tanks (4 tanks total) for about $4 each on clearance. The name-brand Canon cart is $14 or so, which is still a bargain compared to most. However, I noticed my last trip to Circuit City that this printer is no longer listed in their ink catalog at all. Staples still has the ink, but I am getting the eerie feeling that Canon would rather not support an affordable ink supply anymore.
After that happens, I guess I'll just have to go feral in looking for ink supplies.
Actually - boycotting CD's is going to (already I think) have the opposite effect intended.
The record industry can then point to the drop in sales and say "SEE! We told you so! Our sales are hurting because of file sharing!" and the law will crack down even harder until enough people cough over the dough.
I'm not saying you should support the record industry - I don't - but just cold hard facts.
One should also keep in mind the very important fact of the fact that many of Yahoo's search features are indeed "google powered" now. So that means that yahoo isn't *directly* competing with google, only indirectly (as the portal of choice).
Giving away your time and code for the sole purpose of creating an open source project that someone else profits from, while offering you no interest in that profit, is a totally different thing.
Perhaps if they offer royalties from the sale, that would be a *start*... Not being sure what kind of sales they could expect, I could see no salary from that angle, but *only* if the developers have hope of a royalty if it is successful.
Anything else is unethical. Why should I give them free money?
There's been online traffic monitoring, updated automatically in the Houston TX area for at *least* five years. I believe it was part of an A&M project that just stayed in place.
Hmm, discounting programs didn't occur to me as a reason, though it makes sense if it is the case. It also means that it's an uphill battle to get people used to using something else. I see many people in college who might have "had a computer" but their first serious exposure to one is here. If that exposure and education is MS (and XP) centric, then that's what they'll demand after college.
Of course, that logic didn't work too well for Apple (or maybe it did, they're still around..)
It seems that while corporate America is not upgrading (according to you), Academia America does seem to be. From my experience of 2 universities and one "community college" in the last year alone (University of Houston, San Jacinto Community College, and Stephen F. Austin State University), colleges do seem to be switching over to XP. I have no choice at SFA but to use either XP or a Macintosh based computer. At UH the library still ran NT4 the last I knew but the rest of the campus had pretty much gone over to XP. 3 places of higher education may not statistically represent the majority, however I'm inclined to say that it probably represents a good portion of it.
Sheep go where the shepherds lead them. Then the shepherds take all the wool. So it goes.
Not able to get music?? Did music not exist before the RIAA? Did it not exist before Tin Pan Alley, and Casey Casum's top 40 lists?
Brother, I think the question is, where has the music GONE?
There was a time when an artist expected to get paid for his performances of music, and there were many artists, and most of them played regionally. Some of them made a living, most of them didn't. The ones that didn't just enjoyed playing.
Well, these days, some artists make a living, and most of them don't. They tour internationally and expect to get paid for their performances. The only difference now is that the industry (not the artists) take such a large cut, that for an artist to hope for a profit, he must sell in the millions or be worthless.
Where has the music gone? It has gone from being of the people and by the people to being cut up and served from a few mega-stars to the masses who will never have any personal connection to the music they listen to.
In my opinion, therefore, they death of the RIAA *would* be the end of the music world as we know it, and I feel fine. Bring on the new and creative talent!
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Incorrect. Copyright belongs to the creator of a work at the moment of creation. The copyright notice only establishes the date the rights were exercised for a certain option Ie, the book was published in 1985, that is simply when the option such as "First north american rights" were exercised. Even if the work was written in 1972, the (C) date will be the date it was first published. That does *NOT* mean there was no copyright from 1972 to 1985 (example dates).
:)
As far as "going out and copyrighting it" you mean registering the copyright. That is simply a legal device which the holder of a copyright can use to further protect their work, but it does not in and of itself establish a copyright.
Remember: Copyright is implied *at the moment of creation*, even in legal terms. Regardless of intent to publish, or any other intentions.
Example: I write a poem and put it in a personal journal. The journal is stolen, and the poem published under someone else's name 5 years later.
Even though I did nothing with the work, even if I did not intend to do anything with the work - the copyright belongs to me - assuming I can prove that I wrote it. Having such proof is the only reason one should consider "registering" a trademark. There are of course, other ways of establishing such proof, but we won't go into that
As far as file-sharing being illegal....
That's a big load... there are works on kazaa that are shareware, trial versions... home videos.. public domain e-books, self-produced songs, etc. Admittedly, one has to search a bit to find them... But it's an awfully crazy world to say that uploading ANYTHING on p2p should be a felony...
And it would be an incredibly crazy law not to specify uploading of "copyrighted materials to which you do not have specific legal rights to distribute" or something to that effect...
If such a law were to pass without that wording, I would be inclined to film my own home video simply to see if they had the nerve to prosecute me for sharing my own material!
>Perhaps a micro-socialist system could be
>implemented for those who are out of a job? To give
>them a job within a co-op, where they can create
>their own jobs, train themselves from the resources
>made available; a safety net for the unemployed, at
> almost no cost to the government.
This exists. It is called by various forms - Usually a college or a University. If you're really lucky you don't have to pay it back later when you're no longer jobless. If you're unlucky you get the honor of living in concentration camps known as dormitories for 4 to 6, and then have to pay them back for mistreating you after your time is up.
So.... perhaps the hidden gem on the Plextor drive is in burning CDR's for the dreamcast? :)
Well... if we put your "all your base" line through babelfish... Imagine this is a rumor spread through a translation infested network.... Here it is translated into several languages, and back into english between each.. then the translation is translated, etc (not including japanese and korean output directly, as I'm not quite sure how well slashdot would handle that).
English: All your base are belong to us!!
Spanish: Toda su base es pertenece a nosotros!!
English: All its base is belongs to us!
French: Toute sa base est appartient à nous!
English: All its base east belongs to us!
Japanese: (Can't display....)
English: Fundamental east everything belongs to us
Korean: (Can't display....)
English: Basic the east all is attached to us
It does, however specify "transmitting the message in translated form". Thus, the translation takes place before the transmission. Which means, that by this text, it does not cover recipient translation, but rather, originator translation.
If SCO is seeking an injunction, does that mean they would have to prove to a judge that there is sufficient evidence for such an injunction? And if they do happen to convince a judge...
Well, better that IBM be the one to take on SCO rather than a group of Linux volunteers or users.
I just hope IBM doesn't cave. They've shown incredible lack of backbone in the past when push came to shove (OS/2 backing out of desktop market anyone?), let's just hope this isn't one of those times.
Nice to see the "system" in action with Due Process...
Don't think you have a good case?
Then propose to your corporate enemies:
1) Pay up a settlement
or
2) Go to trial and we'll revoke all licenses we gave you, so that even if we lose the case, you'll have already lost in the marketplace.
Make sure you give a deadline that doesn't allow your corporate enemy any time to mount a legal defense, or get any court action, so that they are forced to do what you want.
It gets to the user through normal "distribution channels"...
However, the term "Distro" in common usage does not refer to "distribution channels", but rather, to versions of Linux...
FreeBSD is not by any means a version of Linux. And therefore, it is not a "Distro".
(That also means that FreeBSD is not a target of SCO's legal actions.... a good thing)
Argh! This is the last straw.... Finishing up my Bachelor's degree in less than a year.... Master's program, you can wait... Law School - here I come. We need people FIGHTING these indecencies!
Anybody that would pay $95 for a 6 page document actually cares what Linux costs...
This is, in fact, the case. The station isn't able to play the disc, according to the article, because the guy's boss won't allow him to install the necessary software upgrade that was *included* with the CD's in question.
Why? Because the boss doesn't "understand" the technology involved.
This is an IT problem at that station, not a copyright protection problem.
In Soviet Russia...
You'll be glad you don't live in the U.S.
Having someone change my code after the fact is bad enough, at least then they can tell (if they're paying attention) what I was trying to do.
Having them change it *WHILE* I was working on it would be horrid. Collaborative projects are one thing, but the example given I don't think is a case I'd like to see anytime soon!
Right here you'd be cutting me out. I have DSL, and my IP shows that I'm coming from Houston. Actually, I'm coming from a small town 150 miles away from Houston - it's just that SBC/Global's routing works wierd in east Texas...
If your college is like most colleges, using the dorm ethernet also sends you back to the "Dark Ages" of blocked file-sharing ports, limitations on runninger personal servers, and various other sundry you don't have to deal with when you've got DSL or a decent neighbourhood system. Cable is hit and miss on those things due to varying TOS, but DSL is definitely more hassle-free, at least at my university, than dorm ethernet.
I beg to differ. This attitude was right in 1994 maybe - that most people print a few pictures and then quit printing.
However, "many" if not "most" people today find themselves having to use their printer for much more than this.
For example, I'm a university student. I have to print not only papers and multiple drafts to take to class, but also many library catalogs offer journals in full-text online form now.
Between all the uses of my printer that are required, I use a ream of paper every month or so. Not many compared to even a small office.
When (like with a Lexmark I tossed into the trash) I can't even get 200 pages out of a cartridge, and am told that a replacement will cost $30 to $50, just for the black, and probably as much for the colour, that's just ridiculous. Would I pay $100 or $200 for a printer to have $10 or even $15 cartridges, rather than a $40 printer that costs that $30 to $50? Hell yeah. However, consumers are increasingly either not given the choice, or are not well informed. Most consumers who buy a new printer don't know to check the ink cost first. Or, worse, the printer with the features they need only comes with expensive ink.
Myself, I'm holding onto my Canon BJC-610. Recently, the refill cartridges I use have been discontinued, and I was able to buy 10 of each black and colour tanks (4 tanks total) for about $4 each on clearance. The name-brand Canon cart is $14 or so, which is still a bargain compared to most. However, I noticed my last trip to Circuit City that this printer is no longer listed in their ink catalog at all. Staples still has the ink, but I am getting the eerie feeling that Canon would rather not support an affordable ink supply anymore.
After that happens, I guess I'll just have to go feral in looking for ink supplies.
Actually - boycotting CD's is going to (already I think) have the opposite effect intended.
The record industry can then point to the drop in sales and say "SEE! We told you so! Our sales are hurting because of file sharing!" and the law will crack down even harder until enough people cough over the dough.
I'm not saying you should support the record industry - I don't - but just cold hard facts.
One should also keep in mind the very important fact of the fact that many of Yahoo's search features are indeed "google powered" now. So that means that yahoo isn't *directly* competing with google, only indirectly (as the portal of choice).
Okay, point taken. See my other post farther down.
Giving away your time and code is one thing.
Giving away your time and code for the sole purpose of creating an open source project that someone else profits from, while offering you no interest in that profit, is a totally different thing.
Perhaps if they offer royalties from the sale, that would be a *start*... Not being sure what kind of sales they could expect, I could see no salary from that angle, but *only* if the developers have hope of a royalty if it is successful.
Anything else is unethical. Why should I give them free money?
A commercial game with no salary for developers? Count me out - in fact with that attitude I probably won't buy it either.
There's been online traffic monitoring, updated automatically in the Houston TX area for at *least* five years. I believe it was part of an A&M project that just stayed in place.
Hmm, discounting programs didn't occur to me as a reason, though it makes sense if it is the case. It also means that it's an uphill battle to get people used to using something else. I see many people in college who might have "had a computer" but their first serious exposure to one is here. If that exposure and education is MS (and XP) centric, then that's what they'll demand after college.
Of course, that logic didn't work too well for Apple (or maybe it did, they're still around..)
It seems that while corporate America is not upgrading (according to you), Academia America does seem to be. From my experience of 2 universities and one "community college" in the last year alone (University of Houston, San Jacinto Community College, and Stephen F. Austin State University), colleges do seem to be switching over to XP. I have no choice at SFA but to use either XP or a Macintosh based computer. At UH the library still ran NT4 the last I knew but the rest of the campus had pretty much gone over to XP. 3 places of higher education may not statistically represent the majority, however I'm inclined to say that it probably represents a good portion of it.
Sheep go where the shepherds lead them. Then the shepherds take all the wool. So it goes.
Not able to get music?? Did music not exist before the RIAA? Did it not exist before Tin Pan Alley, and Casey Casum's top 40 lists?
Brother, I think the question is, where has the music GONE?
There was a time when an artist expected to get paid for his performances of music, and there were many artists, and most of them played regionally. Some of them made a living, most of them didn't. The ones that didn't just enjoyed playing.
Well, these days, some artists make a living, and most of them don't. They tour internationally and expect to get paid for their performances. The only difference now is that the industry (not the artists) take such a large cut, that for an artist to hope for a profit, he must sell in the millions or be worthless.
Where has the music gone? It has gone from being of the people and by the people to being cut up and served from a few mega-stars to the masses who will never have any personal connection to the music they listen to.
In my opinion, therefore, they death of the RIAA *would* be the end of the music world as we know it, and I feel fine. Bring on the new and creative talent!