So what about the rest of the hardware ? Now you have two OS's accessing the same hard drive. There goes the IO... unless you had two SCSI drives.. now it gets interesting.
Then you need 2 separate memory subsystems, and of course separate NICs.
You will gain a bunch by sharing your redundant power supplies though.
Why must we use such slanted terms to describe the views of people we disagree with?
Its what you do to distance yourself from an enemy. Even by using a term like regime instead of government makes the bad guys seem much more different than us, even though the words are very similar and there is nothing inherently bad about a regime. It sure sounds bad, though.
Okay, so in order to figure out if my drive is going south I need to check the event log every day? WTF?
Yes you do. Its no big deal at least for operating systems that log in plaintext (I don't know about windows). What I do is nightly grep for unusual stuff and I take 30seconds to a minute reviewing it for all of my systems and I admin about a hundred, so one machine should take about 5 seconds or so a day. That is much easier than trying to recreate 250 Gigs of data from a dead drive. Right?
I'm not sure what the target use is, but it seems like its personal, and being that the previous external drive was only USB, performance does not seem to be a concern.
With that in mind, I would suggest poor man's RAID1 over real RAID1. By that I mean buy two disks and cron a rsync command every night. This would take care of backups and redundancy, although its not realtime, so a disk failure after a disk write but before the rsync would loose your data, but that is very unlikely and if something is that important, extra precautions should be made. In my opinion, real RAIDx is only necessary if uptime is of importance. For personal use, I would guess that a quick switching of disks or mounting another one and making a symlink is OK.
In other words, I agree with the theory of RAID1, but RAID1 + a backup requires at least 3x the storage space. I was looking at getting two Lacie bigdisks (500Gigs) and do this mirroring on them, but after the one died at work, and a quick google search says that most all of the Lacie RAID0 disks rarely survive more than a year, I too am in the market for an enclosure. In looking at the Lacie enclosure, it doesn't take someone too long to figure out why they all fail. The airflow is from front to back and one harddrive is directly in back of the other, so the 2nd drive gets all the heat. Doh!
I would really like for something like the Lacie bigdisk that was properly engineered. I would be comfortable with having about 500Gigs of space for a while.
If people could organize a mass boycott of these DRM'd DVD's, and make it work, the MPAA might take notice. I doubt, however, it would work.
I used to say "vote with your wallet" on these very threads, but I've become disillusioned, and no longer even try.:-(
You never clearly defined the "sheep factor", but I'm guessing that "putting up with crap without doing anything like everybody else" is the gist of it.
The scary thing about the "sheep factor" is that the few "in charge" are really becoming aware of this and are using this knowledge to kindly fuck people whenever they can.
Take for example one to two year contracts to talk on the phone. Why anybody in their right mind would do this more than once is beyond me. These contracts exclusively benefit the company and more often than not hurts the paying customer. I was in a one year contract once for my first cell phone. It was with verizon before they became the reliable company that they are today. I cannot vouch for this, I'm just going by their extensive advertising, which should be honest and accurate right? Anyway, I got this cell phone because I was between jobs and between homes. I didn't have a fixed land line to put on my resume for jobs, and I needed a phone to get a job, so I got one. Well, after the first $400 bill came when I was unemployed, I was unhappy to say the least, and I switched my minutes around and played all kinds of games guessing how much I was going to talk this month on my phone. Not to mention that the phone dropped calls _all the time_. As soon as I got the phone call on my cellphone that I was going to have a job, I considered the cell phone as something that had served its purpose, I immediately went to the verizon office, and I paid them how ever much money I needed to pay them to stop using my phone, and I threw the phone in the trash while leaving the store.
Since everyone seems to be OK paying extra for their cellphone and entering contracts with people, it is not common for other companies to do the same like DSL and satellite, and as long as you dumbasses keep doing this, more and more companies will do this. Yes, you are a dumbass if you sign an annual contract for a monthly service, and you are only fucking yourself and myself when you do this.
Maybe a crime hasn't been committed against this (obscure) law
Law in general is obscure. You know a society is too complex and complicated when highly respected people in that society have full time jobs to simply know the rules of that society.
It happens very frequenly on lyrics sites. I usually try to get around this by going through the google cache. And the simple act of leaving the site is actually the issue - as many others have noted, it ends up looping between "Install this!!" and "You must install!" and at least with IE, many have to manually end the process.
Never seen or heard of such a thing, I would complain to the site and remind myself to never go there again.
I knew those sites seemed a little cheesy, but thats horrible.
One site I visited tried to force me to install an xpi extension complete with a "you must click yes" pop up box. Dismissing it still let me access the link however.
What kind of content does this website have that you could not do without?
If any website I go to (this has _never_ happened to me btw) tells me I need to install something to look at their site, I'm gone.
Securing accesspoints should be mandatory. There are too many open access points available. There is no use for anonymous connections over a random family's access point, it only endangers them into being seen as cybercriminals.
Give me a break.
Securing one's front door should be mandatory. There are too many open front doors available. There is no use for someone to randomly walk into a family's front door, it only endangers them into being seen as victims of crime or criminals themselves if the "bad guys" hang out and do crime in their open house.
Securing access points is a pain in the ass. Even what I do, and suggest to others is a pain in the ass. All I suggest to people is to not broadcast their SID, but even that is a pain in the ass because they have to remember to rebroadcast it to add another client, and then turn it off again. Since I'm an ubergeek, I don't broadcast my SID and I lock down access by MAC address, but that too is a pain in the ass if a friend comes over. The only reason I put any security on my AP is because I know how, and something tells me its a "good thing", but its not that big of a deal.
WEP is stupid. Like I'm going to let everyone using my network know the password because that makes it secure. Now if access points had range of miles, that would be a different story. But I live in a suburban cookie cutter neighborhood where the adjacent houses are exactly 14 feet apart and a little more distance (much more) front to back. When my cable modem was not working correctly, sometimes I can go to certain areas of the house and I was able to get a net connection from an open access point, but the connection sucked. Trust me, if it were more reliable, I would debate not paying for my own connection, but its not. If I were better friends with my neighbors, I would seriously consider splitting the bill with them.
Oh, and I just found some kiddie porn that a roommate that I recently kicked out of my house on unrelated charges. I guess if I had given him my password to my WEP encrypted network I would be better off.
Remeber how much you love WalMart when that's the only job available to you, and the wages from your WalMart job are so low you can only afford to shop at WalMart.
Excactly. I equate WalMart == poor.
I don't have a problem with people making little money. That is a different thing. But people that are poor just suck. Ask Kenney.
Anyone who shops at WalMart is party to the destruction of the american middle class, the 40 hour work week, and employer paid health care.
Yup. Again, poor people are those that work 50-60 hours a week at 1 or 2 jobs and still are able to have enough money to finance banks with overdraft fees.
I don't care about how cheap something is, or if its not at WalMart I don't need it mentality. What kind of precident is this setting? To strive for the lowest common denominator. To drive a company out of business so that we can now have $2.97 gallon jars of pickels. To retire and be a greeter.
Have some dignity people. Money does not equal wealth, and lack of money does not equal poverty.
I'd love to see Itanic turning to an "open" architecture, instead of dying altogether. That probably isn't going to happen, so we can expect to see the pain going on for a long while, with Intel downplaying the long term importance of the chip to the company. It's going to go the way of SPARC - a dead chip walking, with only the manufacturer being interested in it anymore.
First, the Itanium processor line is going nowhere. Just the HP and Intel partnership which means that other vendors will have as good of pricing as HP, so it will be more "open".
Maybe I'm just ignorant and biased, but the Itanium based HP servers that I have worked with are the fastest and best built 64bit servers that I have worked with to include Alpha, Sparc, and IBMs power chips. The Itanium chips appear 10 times in the top 100 supercomputers including numbers 2 and 5 on the list.
Intel recently released their low voltage offerings of the Itanium processor with speeds up to 1.4GHz.
There have been issues since the Itanium's release. The first chips, Itanium1's, did not perform well. The current Itanium2's are power hungry and require tons of cooling. Now they are excellent performing and have lower power and cooling requirements.
And people are interested in the architecture. For number crunching or a fast database, there are few better offerings. The Opteron or current IBM chips appear to be the closest contenders. If Intel were to lower the price of the Itaniums and continue improving their performance and reducing their power needs, I think these things are going to be around for a while.
However, I would venture to say that they lost a LOT of (at least casual) sales due to lack of backwards compatibility a la x86-64.
First, I don't know why one would want backwards compatability for a high performance server that probably only does one thing, but if you do want backwards compatability, at least on RedHat Linux on an Itanium you can run a 32bit binary without modification. You can even install 386 RPMs.
I consider that a pretty awesome feat as i assume many others do
Yes, it was an awesome feat for an individual company to do such a thing, but as far as scientific breakthroughs -- maybe in the early to mid 60s, but not in 2004.
do you think that people would shop at a store that when you bought that $99.00 memory stick they tack on $3.95 Stocking fee, $7.95 shipping fee, and another $5.95 Destination and Delivery fee?
then you say
If more consumers would put up a fight about it everywhere instead of rolling over like a good consumer doing what they are told things would be drastically different.
But before you say:
that is $24.00 a month in FEES and TAXES. more than the price of the fricking phone line.
And blame it on the ASSHAT phone company.
I do not and will not own a land line again because of the fees and deception in their pricing. Every time I get offered to save money on my phone services, I remind the people why I will not buy a phone until their pricing is honest and fair.
I will not sign a yearly contract for anything either. There is no incentive for me to be locked into a service for any length of time. There is a big incentive for the company to lock me in.
People, don't put up with the shit that companies push on you. You don't have to use their service. The last time I was offered to "save money on my phone bill", I switched to my tv cable provider's phone plan. And after not recieving incoming calls for a couple of weeks, and after I got my first bill and noticed that with the extra fees over my previous provider's fees and the two monthly bills were the same, I called up and promptly canceled my cable television and my telephone, and I told them why.
Remember, these companies depend on us as customers. You should remind the companies of this from time to time.
I thought that as we matured as a society that this type of conservative bullshit would cease. Perhaps we are regressing?
If you haven't noticed by the flags and ribbons on people's cars, we are a nation under stress, and when people are under stress and have no way of eleviating that stress they look towards others to do it for them.
Also, the greater the stress and disparity, the more controlling and totalitarian leaders and their actions are sought out.
I don;t see the problem with this legislation. It's just like the R rating at theaters, or the fact that kids can't buy tobacco until 18, or beer until 21. I certainly woulnd't want my kids to (at age 9) walk into a store and buy GTA 8: Be a Porn Star. When he's 18, or I decide to buy it for him.. fine.
Your right, its very similar to the R rating at theaters which have been in existence since 1966 without any legislation involved.
The problem is that this is something that does not need to involve the government. We do not need a new law every time a new product hits the shelf.
Also, its worth noting that I saw a machine boot for the first time with one of those Intel Fast Boot bioses or chipsets or whatever makes it boot fast, and it works the machine was hitting the OS within about a second after being turned on.
Actually I found it interesting that my pentium 100 running debian used to boot much faster than any PIII or PIV running RedHat with similar services. FWIW, debian has a start-stop-daemon binary that does much of the work that RH does in bash functions in/etc/init.d/functions.
A better solution would be to have an additional prefix on certain init scripts - "P" for "parallel" - to tell INIT that they can safely be started in the background, something that a couple of commercial Unicies do.
A simpler solution would be for the SxxDaemon symlinks in the proper runlevel to have the same xx to mean that all of these can be started in parallel.
So the S10->19 will start sequentially, and all of the S20s will start in parallel, all of the S89s will start in parallel, and the S99s will start in parallel. I didn't check if this made sense for these daemons, but you get the drift.
Unfortunately, RedHat thought it was cute in 7.0 I believe to put the groovy green OK and the red FAILED crap on your screen and this would make no sense to have this parallalized, but being that it makes no sense to put the red and green stuff there anyway since you rarely can read the output from startup because a) your machine is headless or b) it boots too quickly to even see what had failed.
While I'm dingin RH for this junk, I don't know if this has been fixed, but I've found that doing: ssh HOST/etc/init.d/service restart does not work with some services because of some 'I need a tty to start a service' requirement or something. I've found that some services can just hang, but by doing ssh HOST '/etc/init.d/service restart </dev/null >/dev/null' works with much more typing, and no output to the user (me).
I also thought of using make for initscripts becuase it 1) it can be parallel with -p and 2) make is meant for stuff that has dependancies. But being that I typically reboot linux boxes so infrequently, its not worth my time to do anything to the boot process.
..But the big corps too. Coincidentally, I tried to remove myself from the iTunes list (which I had accidentally enlisted for when downloading QT) only the find that the unsubscribe-URL "contained no data". Hmm. Double hmm.
I look at the whois data and if the company is in the US, I look up their real phone number and call them -- repeatedly until the emails stop, with more emotion and feeling with each call.
Sometimes these people actually try to get annoyed with me, and I remind them that they annoyed me first.
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I think of a beach full of middle aged German men all wearing their favorite Speedo swim wear.....I think I will pass.
Ah, but would you change your opinion if they all looked like David Hasselhoff?
So what about the rest of the hardware ? Now you have two OS's accessing the same hard drive. There goes the IO ... unless you had two SCSI drives .. now it gets interesting.
Then you need 2 separate memory subsystems, and of course separate NICs.
You will gain a bunch by sharing your redundant power supplies though.
God knows how you got a phone bill like that unless you spent hours each day on international phone calls
They were local calls about 15 miles ( ~ 25km ) away from my house.
Why must we use such slanted terms to describe the views of people we disagree with?
Its what you do to distance yourself from an enemy. Even by using a term like regime instead of government makes the bad guys seem much more different than us, even though the words are very similar and there is nothing inherently bad about a regime. It sure sounds bad, though.
Okay, so in order to figure out if my drive is going south I need to check the event log every day? WTF?
Yes you do. Its no big deal at least for operating systems that log in plaintext (I don't know about windows). What I do is nightly grep for unusual stuff and I take 30seconds to a minute reviewing it for all of my systems and I admin about a hundred, so one machine should take about 5 seconds or so a day. That is much easier than trying to recreate 250 Gigs of data from a dead drive. Right?
no array is ever completely fault tolerant.
you STILL need backups.
I'm not sure what the target use is, but it seems like its personal, and being that the previous external drive was only USB, performance does not seem to be a concern.
With that in mind, I would suggest poor man's RAID1 over real RAID1. By that I mean buy two disks and cron a rsync command every night. This would take care of backups and redundancy, although its not realtime, so a disk failure after a disk write but before the rsync would loose your data, but that is very unlikely and if something is that important, extra precautions should be made. In my opinion, real RAIDx is only necessary if uptime is of importance. For personal use, I would guess that a quick switching of disks or mounting another one and making a symlink is OK.
In other words, I agree with the theory of RAID1, but RAID1 + a backup requires at least 3x the storage space. I was looking at getting two Lacie bigdisks (500Gigs) and do this mirroring on them, but after the one died at work, and a quick google search says that most all of the Lacie RAID0 disks rarely survive more than a year, I too am in the market for an enclosure. In looking at the Lacie enclosure, it doesn't take someone too long to figure out why they all fail. The airflow is from front to back and one harddrive is directly in back of the other, so the 2nd drive gets all the heat. Doh!
I would really like for something like the Lacie bigdisk that was properly engineered. I would be comfortable with having about 500Gigs of space for a while.
If people could organize a mass boycott of these DRM'd DVD's, and make it work, the MPAA might take notice. I doubt, however, it would work.
:-(
I used to say "vote with your wallet" on these very threads, but I've become disillusioned, and no longer even try.
You never clearly defined the "sheep factor", but I'm guessing that "putting up with crap without doing anything like everybody else" is the gist of it.
The scary thing about the "sheep factor" is that the few "in charge" are really becoming aware of this and are using this knowledge to kindly fuck people whenever they can.
Take for example one to two year contracts to talk on the phone. Why anybody in their right mind would do this more than once is beyond me. These contracts exclusively benefit the company and more often than not hurts the paying customer. I was in a one year contract once for my first cell phone. It was with verizon before they became the reliable company that they are today. I cannot vouch for this, I'm just going by their extensive advertising, which should be honest and accurate right? Anyway, I got this cell phone because I was between jobs and between homes. I didn't have a fixed land line to put on my resume for jobs, and I needed a phone to get a job, so I got one. Well, after the first $400 bill came when I was unemployed, I was unhappy to say the least, and I switched my minutes around and played all kinds of games guessing how much I was going to talk this month on my phone. Not to mention that the phone dropped calls _all the time_. As soon as I got the phone call on my cellphone that I was going to have a job, I considered the cell phone as something that had served its purpose, I immediately went to the verizon office, and I paid them how ever much money I needed to pay them to stop using my phone, and I threw the phone in the trash while leaving the store.
Since everyone seems to be OK paying extra for their cellphone and entering contracts with people, it is not common for other companies to do the same like DSL and satellite, and as long as you dumbasses keep doing this, more and more companies will do this. Yes, you are a dumbass if you sign an annual contract for a monthly service, and you are only fucking yourself and myself when you do this.
Baaaaaaa Baaaaaa
Maybe a crime hasn't been committed against this (obscure) law
Law in general is obscure. You know a society is too complex and complicated when highly respected people in that society have full time jobs to simply know the rules of that society.
It happens very frequenly on lyrics sites. I usually try to get around this by going through the google cache. And the simple act of leaving the site is actually the issue - as many others have noted, it ends up looping between "Install this!!" and "You must install!" and at least with IE, many have to manually end the process.
Never seen or heard of such a thing, I would complain to the site and remind myself to never go there again.
I knew those sites seemed a little cheesy, but thats horrible.
One site I visited tried to force me to install an xpi extension complete with a "you must click yes" pop up box. Dismissing it still let me access the link however.
What kind of content does this website have that you could not do without?
If any website I go to (this has _never_ happened to me btw) tells me I need to install something to look at their site, I'm gone.
Thanks for perpetuating the problem.
Securing accesspoints should be mandatory. There are too many open access points available. There is no use for anonymous connections over a random family's access point, it only endangers them into being seen as cybercriminals.
Give me a break.
Securing one's front door should be mandatory. There are too many open front doors available. There is no use for someone to randomly walk into a family's front door, it only endangers them into being seen as victims of crime or criminals themselves if the "bad guys" hang out and do crime in their open house.
Securing access points is a pain in the ass. Even what I do, and suggest to others is a pain in the ass. All I suggest to people is to not broadcast their SID, but even that is a pain in the ass because they have to remember to rebroadcast it to add another client, and then turn it off again. Since I'm an ubergeek, I don't broadcast my SID and I lock down access by MAC address, but that too is a pain in the ass if a friend comes over. The only reason I put any security on my AP is because I know how, and something tells me its a "good thing", but its not that big of a deal.
WEP is stupid. Like I'm going to let everyone using my network know the password because that makes it secure. Now if access points had range of miles, that would be a different story. But I live in a suburban cookie cutter neighborhood where the adjacent houses are exactly 14 feet apart and a little more distance (much more) front to back. When my cable modem was not working correctly, sometimes I can go to certain areas of the house and I was able to get a net connection from an open access point, but the connection sucked. Trust me, if it were more reliable, I would debate not paying for my own connection, but its not. If I were better friends with my neighbors, I would seriously consider splitting the bill with them.
Oh, and I just found some kiddie porn that a roommate that I recently kicked out of my house on unrelated charges. I guess if I had given him my password to my WEP encrypted network I would be better off.
Remeber how much you love WalMart when that's the only job available to you, and the wages from your WalMart job are so low you can only afford to shop at WalMart.
Excactly. I equate WalMart == poor.
I don't have a problem with people making little money. That is a different thing. But people that are poor just suck. Ask Kenney.
Anyone who shops at WalMart is party to the destruction of the american middle class, the 40 hour work week, and employer paid health care.
Yup. Again, poor people are those that work 50-60 hours a week at 1 or 2 jobs and still are able to have enough money to finance banks with overdraft fees.
I don't care about how cheap something is, or if its not at WalMart I don't need it mentality. What kind of precident is this setting? To strive for the lowest common denominator. To drive a company out of business so that we can now have $2.97 gallon jars of pickels. To retire and be a greeter.
Have some dignity people. Money does not equal wealth, and lack of money does not equal poverty.
Calm down dude.
Sharing is part of human nature
So is greed.
I'd love to see Itanic turning to an "open" architecture, instead of dying altogether. That probably isn't going to happen, so we can expect to see the pain going on for a long while, with Intel downplaying the long term importance of the chip to the company. It's going to go the way of SPARC - a dead chip walking, with only the manufacturer being interested in it anymore.
First, the Itanium processor line is going nowhere. Just the HP and Intel partnership which means that other vendors will have as good of pricing as HP, so it will be more "open".
Maybe I'm just ignorant and biased, but the Itanium based HP servers that I have worked with are the fastest and best built 64bit servers that I have worked with to include Alpha, Sparc, and IBMs power chips. The Itanium chips appear 10 times in the top 100 supercomputers including numbers 2 and 5 on the list.
Intel recently released their low voltage offerings of the Itanium processor with speeds up to 1.4GHz.
There have been issues since the Itanium's release. The first chips, Itanium1's, did not perform well. The current Itanium2's are power hungry and require tons of cooling. Now they are excellent performing and have lower power and cooling requirements.
And people are interested in the architecture. For number crunching or a fast database, there are few better offerings. The Opteron or current IBM chips appear to be the closest contenders. If Intel were to lower the price of the Itaniums and continue improving their performance and reducing their power needs, I think these things are going to be around for a while.
However, I would venture to say that they lost a LOT of (at least casual) sales due to lack of backwards compatibility a la x86-64.
First, I don't know why one would want backwards compatability for a high performance server that probably only does one thing, but if you do want backwards compatability, at least on RedHat Linux on an Itanium you can run a 32bit binary without modification. You can even install 386 RPMs.
what about SpaceshipOne?
I consider that a pretty awesome feat as i assume many others do
Yes, it was an awesome feat for an individual company to do such a thing, but as far as scientific breakthroughs -- maybe in the early to mid 60s, but not in 2004.
do you think that people would shop at a store that when you bought that $99.00 memory stick they tack on $3.95 Stocking fee, $7.95 shipping fee, and another $5.95 Destination and Delivery fee?
then you say
If more consumers would put up a fight about it everywhere instead of rolling over like a good consumer doing what they are told things would be drastically different.
But before you say:
that is $24.00 a month in FEES and TAXES. more than the price of the fricking phone line.
And blame it on the ASSHAT phone company.
I do not and will not own a land line again because of the fees and deception in their pricing. Every time I get offered to save money on my phone services, I remind the people why I will not buy a phone until their pricing is honest and fair.
I will not sign a yearly contract for anything either. There is no incentive for me to be locked into a service for any length of time. There is a big incentive for the company to lock me in.
People, don't put up with the shit that companies push on you. You don't have to use their service. The last time I was offered to "save money on my phone bill", I switched to my tv cable provider's phone plan. And after not recieving incoming calls for a couple of weeks, and after I got my first bill and noticed that with the extra fees over my previous provider's fees and the two monthly bills were the same, I called up and promptly canceled my cable television and my telephone, and I told them why.
Remember, these companies depend on us as customers. You should remind the companies of this from time to time.
I don't know about you, but at my workplace I could do without indoor plumbing and telephones longer than I could do without the internet.
I thought that as we matured as a society that this type of conservative bullshit would cease. Perhaps we are regressing?
If you haven't noticed by the flags and ribbons on people's cars, we are a nation under stress, and when people are under stress and have no way of eleviating that stress they look towards others to do it for them.
Also, the greater the stress and disparity, the more controlling and totalitarian leaders and their actions are sought out.
I don;t see the problem with this legislation. It's just like the R rating at theaters, or the fact that kids can't buy tobacco until 18, or beer until 21. I certainly woulnd't want my kids to (at age 9) walk into a store and buy GTA 8: Be a Porn Star. When he's 18, or I decide to buy it for him.. fine.
Your right, its very similar to the R rating at theaters which have been in existence since 1966 without any legislation involved.
The problem is that this is something that does not need to involve the government. We do not need a new law every time a new product hits the shelf.
Also, its worth noting that I saw a machine boot for the first time with one of those Intel Fast Boot bioses or chipsets or whatever makes it boot fast, and it works the machine was hitting the OS within about a second after being turned on.
Actually I found it interesting that my pentium 100 running debian used to boot much faster than any PIII or PIV running RedHat with similar services. FWIW, debian has a start-stop-daemon binary that does much of the work that RH does in bash functions in /etc/init.d/functions.
grumble is right
A better solution would be to have an additional prefix on certain init scripts - "P" for "parallel" - to tell INIT that they can safely be started in the background, something that a couple of commercial Unicies do.
/etc/rc3.d something like:
S19nfs-common@m akedev@@ 9 9rmnologin@
/etc/init.d/service restart does not work with some services because of some 'I need a tty to start a service' requirement or something. I've found that some services can just hang, but by doing ssh HOST '/etc/init.d/service restart < /dev/null >/dev/null' works with much more typing, and no output to the user (me).
A simpler solution would be for the SxxDaemon symlinks in the proper runlevel to have the same xx to mean that all of these can be started in parallel.
so you can have in
S10sysklogd@
S11klogd@
S12iptables@
S14ppp@
S20exim@
S20inetd@
S20lpd@
S20
S20mysql@
S20nfs-kernel-server@
S20ssh
S20xfs@
S89atd@
S89cron@
S99gdm@
S99kdm@
S
S99xdm@
So the S10->19 will start sequentially, and all of the S20s will start in parallel, all of the S89s will start in parallel, and the S99s will start in parallel. I didn't check if this made sense for these daemons, but you get the drift.
Unfortunately, RedHat thought it was cute in 7.0 I believe to put the groovy green OK and the red FAILED crap on your screen and this would make no sense to have this parallalized, but being that it makes no sense to put the red and green stuff there anyway since you rarely can read the output from startup because a) your machine is headless or b) it boots too quickly to even see what had failed.
While I'm dingin RH for this junk, I don't know if this has been fixed, but I've found that doing: ssh HOST
I also thought of using make for initscripts becuase it 1) it can be parallel with -p and 2) make is meant for stuff that has dependancies. But being that I typically reboot linux boxes so infrequently, its not worth my time to do anything to the boot process.
..But the big corps too. Coincidentally, I tried to remove myself from the iTunes list (which I had accidentally enlisted for when downloading QT) only the find that the unsubscribe-URL "contained no data". Hmm. Double hmm.
I look at the whois data and if the company is in the US, I look up their real phone number and call them -- repeatedly until the emails stop, with more emotion and feeling with each call.
Sometimes these people actually try to get annoyed with me, and I remind them that they annoyed me first.