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WEP And PPTP Password Crackers Released

Jacco de Leeuw writes "SecurityFocus published an article by Michael Ossmann that discusses the new generation of WEP cracking tools for 802.11 wireless networks. These are much faster as they perform passive statistical analysis. In many cases, a WEP key can be determined in minutes or even seconds. For those who have switched to PPTP for securing their wireless nets: Joshua Wright released a new version of his Cisco LEAP cracker called Asleap which can now also recover weak PPTP passwords. Both LEAP and PPTP employ MS-CHAPv2 authentication." Update: 12/22 00:14 GMT by T : Michael Ossmann wrote to point out his last name has two Ns, rather than one.

244 comments

  1. old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    This is very old, I read this on securityfocus about a week ago.

    1. Re:old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I read about it three years ago on the NSA internal web site

    2. Re:old by Jonathan+the+Nerd · · Score: 1

      I read it twenty years ago in the Time Travellers' Journal.

      --
      Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are not necessarily my own, as I've not yet had my medication today.
  2. I'm not worried. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Not at all..

    yes you are... you should be !!!!

    he. what the. Who ?

    hahaha got you.

    NO DON'T PRESS...

    Too late !!..

    SUBMIT..

    1. Re:I'm not worried. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last time I checked, cracking WEP wouldn't interactively insert keypresses into your post. It could alter your post after the fact, though.

      -- Monday morning and no sense of humor.

  3. Now who can we blame for downloading GB of stuff? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Its obvious that people now hav ethe ability to go around neibourhoods and gain access to these networks for any purpose!

    Can we be blamed if the tenant runs a pot-growing facility in our basement? Is it the same?

  4. Feasibility of dictionary attacks no protocol flaw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Every communication which uses passwords for authentication is susceptible to dictionary attacks. That is not a protocol weakness. If you use a random and long enough password, you'll be fine. Public key based authentication has other risks, like insufficiently secured storage of the key.

  5. End-to-End Security by Renegade+Lisp · · Score: 3, Interesting
    This just underlines that encryption at the wireless link level may not be the right way to go. Even if the algorithm wasn't so weak -- it strikes me as odd that a whole network should be protected by just a single key, which needs to be present on every individual machine of this network. How easily is this compromised!

    It's far better not to rely on wireless link encryption and encrypt your application-level protocols instead. SSL for web browsing, PGP or S/MIME for e-mail, ssh for login. Far better algorithms, far better key management.

    1. Re:End-to-End Security by selderrr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While I applaud your suggestions for SSL, PGP et al., one should realize that none of these protect against network intrusion, or more often : someone living of your bandwidth...

    2. Re:End-to-End Security by Renegade+Lisp · · Score: 1
      For consumer-grade scenarios (my neighbour living off my bandwidth), restricting access to certain MAC addresses is enough. (By the way, does anyone know how easy/difficult it is nowadays to get WiFi hardware that lets you choose your own MAC address?)

      For higher demands, use a proxy/firewall against which users (not machines) must authenticate in order to get out.

    3. Re:End-to-End Security by jaseuk · · Score: 2

      -By the way, does anyone know how easy/difficult it is nowadays to get WiFi hardware that lets you choose your own MAC address?)

      It's a standard feature in almost all any device with a MAC address including WiFi & Wired.

      MAC address filtering is a useful additional layer of security but I wouldn't rely on it.

      Jason

    4. Re:End-to-End Security by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 3, Informative

      MAC address restriction is an especially weak form of protection on wireless networks. Contrary to wired networks, where the switch may only send data over the wire connecting to the right card, a wireless AP must broadcast the data to everyone in hearing range. This means that you only have to assume one of the MAC addresses that are allowed to connect to the AP, and you're on the network.

      --
      Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
    5. Re:End-to-End Security by ayn0r · · Score: 2
      By the way, does anyone know how easy/difficult it is nowadays to get WiFi hardware that lets you choose your own MAC address?

      I haven't got around to buying wifi equipment for my apartment yet. Living in a flat with a bunch of neighbours though, I just checked to see if there was any wifi network nearby. Tried it, found one, set ethereal to sniff packets for perhaps 5 minutes. Most of these packets contained relevant MAC addresses for me to use.

      After that, ifconfig ath0 hw ether [mac-addr] and voilà. I'm in. Really, restricting access to a certain mac address doesn't do squat. Most nics will support changing the mac address without any problems whatsoever.

      Now if I can only find what neighbour's net I've been using. I took myself and my laptop for a walk today to see where the signal strength increased, but had to go back inside because people were staring at me. :)

    6. Re:End-to-End Security by cduffy · · Score: 1

      I prefer a different tack: Use a general-purpose VPN solution. IPsec (been around a long time, heavily analyzed, no obvious bugs) and OpenVPN (uses SSL for all the sensitive bits, much simpler but more than flexible enough for almost all use cases) both do quite well sitting on top of a wireless connection, and by restricting access to the network beyond the access point to folks coming through the VPN, moochers and such are avoided.

      Ideally, I prefer the belt-and-suspenders route: WPA, then a VPN, then app-level encryption on top.

    7. Re:End-to-End Security by Umrick · · Score: 2, Informative

      What I'm looking at implementing (20 wireless tablet pcs used by physicians and their techs) is something more like this:

      Bare open wireless with a dedicated DHCP/OpenVPN server. Server configured to only allow connections to/from known MAC addresses. Use OpenVPN (128 bit certificate keyed AES) to connect to the internal network.

      Potentially an attacker could compromise one of the wireless devices, however the clients could be firewalled to permit only connections to/from the server to limit that exposure.

      All clients are already setup with network/printer sharing disabled, so using the software firewall will be an acceptable risk.

      Application level would be nice excepting for a few problems. Legacy apps that don't support it, and required services that can't be encrypted (printing/shared drives) without using a fairly brittle IPSEC solution. OpenVPN is a better solution. You end up with strong encryption, better key management, high resiliance (udp tunnelling, not tcp) to loss, higher throughput (lzo compression), and transparent protection.

    8. Re:End-to-End Security by cduffy · · Score: 1

      Hmm. Sounds like we're implementing very similar solutions in very similar environments.

      Mind if I ask where you work?

    9. Re:End-to-End Security by BHearsum · · Score: 1

      I don't know about hardware that let's you set it, but the standard 'ifconfig' will let you spoof it.

    10. Re:End-to-End Security by matuscak · · Score: 1

      Now if I can only find what neighbour's net I've been using.

      A directional antenna is handy thing to have to narrow down where a network is. Not to mention a WiFi equiped PDA is much less obvious than wandering around with a laptop.

    11. Re:End-to-End Security by fshalor · · Score: 1

      A lot of campusses are using a black box scenario. ANY traffic across the wire or wireless network is subject to an authentication-before-use requirement. The person pops their laptop on our network and tries to download pron. They get a login screen forced down their port 80 comms. Pops up in a webbrowser as soon as you try and navigate to a site. You authenticate using a campus email addylogin/password (not stored on your machine, I hope) and Voom! you're on our network until you disconnect.

      --
      -=fshalor ::this post not spellchecked. move along::
    12. Re:End-to-End Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how 'bout this then: allow only ssh traffic on your network. ssh allows this wonderful 'tunnelling thing' to pass traffic along...

    13. Re:End-to-End Security by liam193 · · Score: 1

      A much easier solution is to place a true VPN device at the other end of your wireless network. Go get something like a Cisco VPN 3000. Connect the wireless network to the "public" port of the VPN concentrator. Connect your wired network to the "private" side of the concentrator. I know this sounds backwards when your wired network is the Internet. Now you can use WEP if you wish to give someone a little bigger challenge. Beyond that you need a DHCP server on the wireless network and your in business. Your users have to establish a VPN tunnel over the wireless to do anything. If they can't log in to establish a VPN tunnel, they are out of luck.

      If your worried about a 3DES or AES tunnel then you shouldn't be doing something like wireless anyway.

    14. Re:End-to-End Security by JJahn · · Score: 4, Informative

      Although it may seem that the switch will only send data to the computer that is connected to it, that is easily subverted by ARP poisoning. Don't feel safe from traffic sniffing just because you use a switch.

    15. Re:End-to-End Security by Geoff-with-a-G · · Score: 2, Informative

      Encrypting the wireless link layer doesn't mean avoiding upper-layer security protocols like SSL or PGP, they solve two entirely different problems. You can still use SSL and PGP on top of your WEP/WPA layer.

      Even if WEP was perfect, it wouldn't protect your traffic on the distribution system that your access-point connects to. The hubs, switches, and routers that your traffic flows through on the way to its destination are still carrying your traffic unencrypted, and it is subject to interception at those points. That's where upper-layer encryption comes in handy.

      But those protocols still require secure connection or handshaking procedures between endpoints for all conversations. If you're on some corporate LAN where users are expected to be able to share their files via SMB, or IM each other, you don't require SSL and PGP authentication for every single network transaction. But that doesn't mean you want outsiders to be able to listen in on all your traffic by pointing an antenna at the building. The link between your workstation and the access-point is a wide-open vulnerability, and it's important that the hole be closed. WEP was an important attempt to close that hole, but a massively flawed one. The solution is to fix those flaws, not to require layer 7 authentication for all network traffic.

    16. Re:End-to-End Security by mutterc · · Score: 1
      The Right Way to do this is to have your wireless network connect to a subnet that only connects to a firewall, which then allows IPSEC tunnels or some other kind of VPN through to the rest of the network.

      If the VPN is secure enough to protect against unauthorized use when connected to the Internet (where the whole world can pound on the door), it's secure enough to protect your wireless network from unauthorized use (where intruders at least have to have some physical proximity).

      I use this, with MAC lists and WEP to protect against casual / inadvertent usage / snooping (they cost nothing...)

      I also have some protection in the form of having a crappy-range Linksys WAP, so that intruders would pretty much have to be inside my house to use it...

    17. Re:End-to-End Security by halfelven · · Score: 1

      I'm doing the same thing, but i'm not even restricting MAC addresses. I even give DHCP addresses to anyone. :-)
      But, once you connect, you can't do anything. You're behind an allow-nothing firewall. You must open up an OpenVPN tunnel if you wanna go through the firewall.

    18. Re:End-to-End Security by DigiDarkCloud · · Score: 1

      That's a handy idea. It's fairly easy for the end user, and still pretty secure. I've heard of wireless access in coffee shops doing the same sort of thing, only you have to get your username and password from the counter (often at a price).

      Come to think of it... Do you happen to know of any open-source implementations of this strategy? (Does it have a fancy name or acronym I could google?)

      --
      SIG: 11
    19. Re:End-to-End Security by fshalor · · Score: 1

      http://www.verniernetworks.com/products/markets/en terprise.php

      They're the group we're using.

      Here's a link to how we're yusing it. :

      http://acns.fsu.edu/network/pdf/The_Vernier_Netw or k_System_Solution_200309.pdf

      I think there's a bunch of opensource ldap style clue involved.

      The thing that sold campus on it was the relatively low cost of the units and the high granularity.

      --
      -=fshalor ::this post not spellchecked. move along::
    20. Re:End-to-End Security by babybird · · Score: 1

      ARP poisoning is fairly easy to detect too. Panda Antivirus Platinum 7 detects it and alerts the user. And even Windows can be locked down to hard-coded MAC-IP pairs if you know what you're doing.

      Most people don't, and it's a bit of a pain in the ass (and I haven't actually done it on my LAN at home so I don't *know* that it works properly), but it's an option.

      --
      Keith D.
  6. Easier for travelers by ad454 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Great, I will be leaving for a business trip soon, and now I can freely *access* those commercial WEP enabled Wi/Fi access points in many airports without risking my credit card.

    Seriously though, Wi/Fi has to be treated like an unsecure public network, and anyone wants to restrict access they should use a more secure protocol like IPSec in host-to-host mode. Do not count on Wi/Fi manufactures to protect you, for some reason they just simply refuse to provide secure products.

    1. Re:Easier for travelers by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      this will not break an authenticated WAP. the ones I help support in my community have only port 80 open for low bandwidth for free, you join us and you get a password you access through nocatauth and then gain full speed open access at the wireless points.

      these tools are useless against that scheme. you still need to perform old-skool cracking in order to get past nocatauth, no point and drool tools for getting past that yet, espically with the non-public modifications we made to it to make it different than what is freely available.

      --
      Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
    2. Re:Easier for travelers by MattWillis · · Score: 1

      Most public access wireless nets do not employ WEP.

      The ones I have seen use a proxying technique which redirects your MAC address to a "pay us" screen.

    3. Re:Easier for travelers by lxt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Do not count on Wi/Fi manufactures to protect you, for some reason they just simply refuse to provide secure products."

      I wouldn't trust Wi-Fi as a fully secure medium even if the manufacturers built in more security measures. As a completely hypothetical and unrealistic example, say I had a completely closed network, with no outside net connections at all. Now, to gain access with physical connections, I've either got to get actual access to a terminal, or do a bit of cable snipping. Now, if I network with Wi-Fi, the job's a lot easier.

      Compeltely hypothetical of course, but shows the difficulties of mainting secure access (as in personel able to use, rather than data) to a wi-fi network.

    4. Re:Easier for travelers by ThosLives · · Score: 2, Insightful
      You have astutely observed one of the true aspects of security: Security is always somehow inversely proportional to the amount of functionality you allow "remotely" - i.e., without physical verification. For instance, whenever you allow remote logins, there is no difference from the server's standpoint between the authorized person using a correct password and a malevolent person using a correct password; this is because the server verifies the password (you can substitute "encrypted key of any sort" for "password"), not the person itself. It's actually not even possible to ever verify a person - even biometrics could be spoofed (albeit with difficulty).

      It's a radical assertion perhaps, but it's my belief that security attacks are merely a symptom of some other problem (not sure entirely what it is, but I could posit some of the characteristics); beefing up security is merely like treating a toothache with painkillers; the pain goes away, but the rot is still there.

      So, how do you get rid of the rot? There are only two options: you have to first remove the rot from the system, then implement preventive measures so more rot doesn't develop. Strangely enough, nobody in the security industry (computer, homeland, or any other variety) seems to be looking at that aspect - they seem to be focused on creating and using better pain killers.

      --
      "There are a dozen opinions on a matter until you know the truth. Then there is only one." - CS Lewis (paraprhase)
    5. Re:Easier for travelers by Jerf · · Score: 1

      you join us and you get a password you access through nocatauth and then gain full speed open access at the wireless points.... these tools are useless against that scheme.

      Will it stand up to someone who knows how to change their MAC address and other information to match a subscriber? Collect four or five of them and odds are that at any given time one of them isn't present.

      Part of the reason that WEP is fundamentally insecure goes beyond just the broken encryption; once you've cracked the key you can be anyone. You can't create a secure system without solid identification of something (doesn't have to be "a person", but "a network card", "an account", something), and with WEP you can't do that.

    6. Re:Easier for travelers by wirelessbuzzers · · Score: 1

      It's a radical assertion perhaps, but it's my belief that security attacks are merely a symptom of some other problem (not sure entirely what it is, but I could posit some of the characteristics); beefing up security is merely like treating a toothache with painkillers; the pain goes away, but the rot is still there.

      I'm not sure exactly what you're talking about, but creeping features and code complexity are major problems, of which security flaws are a symptom. As a cure for this, you should run clean, simple, stripped-down systems, without features that you don't need. These systems should be coded in a simple manner, rather than using complicated optimizations / feature implementations. Their code should be audited, and critical code should be executed often so that it will be tested.

      This is the point of several operating systems, most notably OpenBSD, and several pieces of software: anything by DJB to start with, and to a lesser extent the BSD base systems, etc.

      Now, I'm not suggesting that you run on OpenBSD for your servers, but it would be reasonable to run it as your firewall.

      --
      I hereby place the above post in the public domain.
    7. Re:Easier for travelers by b33t13 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Really? You've obviously never seen a demonstration of a rogue AP w/ portal just for snarfing your usernames and passwords. It can be done from a Zaurus, even.

      You and Starbucks are pwned.

      http://airsnarf.shmoo.com

      Have a nice network.

      Sincerely,

      Beetle
      The Shmoo Group

  7. Re:But nobody can crack my Slashdot password by tarunthegreat2 · · Score: 1

    RATS! And I thought it was ************. Oh well, back to the 133T Guide to H4CKing....
    In Soviet Russia, your password hacks YOU!
    I, for one, welcome our PPTP-password-cracking-slammer-leaving overlords

  8. Some thoughts on Wireless and Security by Raindeer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, I wrote some thoughts on Wireless and Security in my blog which I now copy here.

    # setting up secure connections is too difficult for the lay person. We need standard Diffie-Helman key exchanges. I saw on the internet that it is available on some access points, but it just should be the standard of the IEEE. As far as I could find with Google it isn't yet. I can't understand why.

    # Securing accesspoints should be mandatory. There are too many open access points available. There is no use for anonymous connections over a random family's access point, it only endangers them into being seen as cybercriminals.

    # If people want to make it possible for neighbours and strangers to make use of their access point it should be done in the same way hotspots are now available at airports and Starbucks. Make it possible to extend the official network of the ISP to a users access point. This way if I open up my laptop and there is an access point available of Joe User, I can only hook up to it by propperly logging in to the ISP's network or use the airport/credit card system. This will require many roaming agreements etc, but it would bring security and convenience at the same time. It should be done in such a way that the person opening up his network in this way can throttle the speed of the guest users and/or the times they can access. So I would like to see a rule like "Guests can only connect when I am not connecting" or "Guests only get 1mbit/sec".

    1. Re:Some thoughts on Wireless and Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ad 1: DH is a key exchange algorithm, not a complete crypto system. As an algorithm it is used in quite a few standards (IPSec for example).

      ad 2: Depends on your understanding of what the net is. If you think that WLANs are insecure means of accessing a safe network, then yes, AP security should be mandatory. If you think that WLANs are just another insecure link in a dangerous network, then what difference would it make?

      ad 3: There are so many ways to abuse this system, it isn't even funny.

    2. Re:Some thoughts on Wireless and Security by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      you are wrong. the FIRST step in securing a WAP is to be sure the signal is not going where you do not need it. the Accesspoint in my home is 100% open and you can not even tell it is there until you get your sniffer up against one of my windows. 2 feet from the house and you have no indication.

      THAT is higher security than the most expensive wireless access point hardware that money can buy can ever give you.

      if they can not recieve the signal, they can not hack it.

      and yes, I have good coverage all over my home.

      --
      Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
    3. Re:Some thoughts on Wireless and Security by DikSeaCup · · Score: 3, Funny
      Of course, all that aluminum foil you're using to coat your walls and windows must have set you back a bit.

    4. Re:Some thoughts on Wireless and Security by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      Securing accesspoints should be mandatory. There are too many open access points available. There is no use for anonymous connections over a random family's access point, it only endangers them into being seen as cybercriminals.

      Give me a break.

      Securing one's front door should be mandatory. There are too many open front doors available. There is no use for someone to randomly walk into a family's front door, it only endangers them into being seen as victims of crime or criminals themselves if the "bad guys" hang out and do crime in their open house.

      Securing access points is a pain in the ass. Even what I do, and suggest to others is a pain in the ass. All I suggest to people is to not broadcast their SID, but even that is a pain in the ass because they have to remember to rebroadcast it to add another client, and then turn it off again. Since I'm an ubergeek, I don't broadcast my SID and I lock down access by MAC address, but that too is a pain in the ass if a friend comes over. The only reason I put any security on my AP is because I know how, and something tells me its a "good thing", but its not that big of a deal.

      WEP is stupid. Like I'm going to let everyone using my network know the password because that makes it secure. Now if access points had range of miles, that would be a different story. But I live in a suburban cookie cutter neighborhood where the adjacent houses are exactly 14 feet apart and a little more distance (much more) front to back. When my cable modem was not working correctly, sometimes I can go to certain areas of the house and I was able to get a net connection from an open access point, but the connection sucked. Trust me, if it were more reliable, I would debate not paying for my own connection, but its not. If I were better friends with my neighbors, I would seriously consider splitting the bill with them.

      Oh, and I just found some kiddie porn that a roommate that I recently kicked out of my house on unrelated charges. I guess if I had given him my password to my WEP encrypted network I would be better off.

    5. Re:Some thoughts on Wireless and Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup, only $5500.00 2 years ago for a very secret specalized and RARE construction material...

      called aluminum siding.

      change your fiberglass screens in your windows to aluminum screen material and you eliminate the windows as leak points also.

      I know it is highly rare to find houses with aluminum siding and aluminum screens, only at very specalized stores like "lowes" and "home depot" and other secret organizations called "home imporvement sotres and contractors" have access to this extremely rare and high tech material.

      lumpy must be someone who is part of the echelon to have access to this very rare material.

      good of you to spot his secret techniques!

    6. Re:Some thoughts on Wireless and Security by crowemojo · · Score: 2

      There are two fundamental concerns when considering the placement of wireless access points on any network.

      1) Someone can access my network.
      2) Someone can see my traffic.

      Any wireless network implementation should take both of these into account. Wireless access points, until other encryption and access control mechanisms mature, should be treated as if they were compromised to begin with. If you treat an access point like a live jack into your network that's located outside your building some where, then you are off to a good start.

      To address the first issue, we need network segmentation. Locate the access point in a DMZ, only allowing communication with other network resources over controlled means, such as ssh. By located it in a DMZ, you limit the exposure of the rest of your network and have the means to properly control what it can and can't see. Ideally, it can't see anything without some form of authentication beyond what is provided by the AP. This is possible to accomplish regardless of what you want your legitimate users to be capable of through the use of properly configured proxy servers, etc.

      To address the second issue, as several others have mentions, make sure that anything that is sensitive is encrypted. Don't allow people to check their email through the wireless connection using imap or pop3, require that they use a web interface with SSL encryption. Don't use telnet for your custom applications, whatever they may be, use SSH. Of course, all that being said, it's much easier to tell someone to never use telnet then it is to actually do it. Anyone care to take a guess at how a typical software vendor supporting legacy applications will respond to the request to make their programs function over SSH?

      My $0.02

    7. Re:Some thoughts on Wireless and Security by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Actually 1 meter by 1 meter aluminum panels set about 1 wavelength away from the Accesspoint in the direction you do not want the signal to propigate works perfectly.

      even with the "pringles can" or other directional antenna you can not get a signal from the street.

      I have my ap in the celing with 2 aluminum sheets at the 1 wavelength point away from the AP's antennas (that are seperated form the AP and spread out by 3 feet in both directions from the AP it's self) I have no access in the front yard, very marginal on the side yard well onto my property and was eliminated with a second "reflector" placed in that direction. the access spills outside the house onto the deck in the back yard.

      so Unless you are tresspassing into my fenced back yard, you do not even know that I have wireless let alone a completely open AP.

      now the fun part, at work I have a completely open AP connected to an old P-I running linux that simply gives out DHCP leases and other information and redirects every request to the local server on that machine asking for a password and has a tempting name. The AP is positioned in a place that gives it GREAT coverage in the parking lot.

      there is no net access, it's just there to screw with wardrivers and there are no passwords that can be guessed, yet many do try.

      It's lots of fun, every month or so I go to it and look at the logs and get a laugh at the attempts... it might be fun to hook up a webcam to snap photos out the window at the parking lot whenever it logs a connection or a password attempt, get some neat photos of the locals.

      --
      Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
    8. Re:Some thoughts on Wireless and Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You shouldn't need to rebroadcast the SSID just to add another client. Usually the client software allows you to type in the SSID instead of selecting one from a list of discovered SSID's.

      I only use Windows though, so YMMV.

    9. Re:Some thoughts on Wireless and Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's lots of fun, every month or so I go to it and look at the logs and get a laugh at the attempts... it might be fun to hook up a webcam to snap photos out the window at the parking lot whenever it logs a connection or a password attempt, get some neat photos of the locals.

      Use nocatadmn with some hacks to accept any password they try to forward them to a mirror of goats.cx.

    10. Re:Some thoughts on Wireless and Security by Spoing · · Score: 1
      1. Of course, all that aluminum foil you're using to coat your walls and windows must have set you back a bit.

      HA! Shows how much you know! It's TIN!

      --
      A firewall can not protect you from yourself. Turn off what you do not need. Do not use the firewall to do your work.
    11. Re:Some thoughts on Wireless and Security by Spoing · · Score: 1
      1. Use nocatadmn with some hacks to accept any password they try to forward them to a mirror of goats.cx.

      That's just evil. I'll have to remember that one.

      --
      A firewall can not protect you from yourself. Turn off what you do not need. Do not use the firewall to do your work.
    12. Re:Some thoughts on Wireless and Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      you can not even tell it is there until you get your sniffer up against one of my windows.

      The might be true with the antenna you use, but I can see your network across the street with a high gain directional antenna. Add a nice pre-amp and I might be able to get a block away.

      A simple 6 db omni gives me twice the networks war driving over my best internal antenna (which is much better than my worse internal antenna).

  9. MAC Control tables useless? by Ized · · Score: 1

    I'm not that familiar with wifi tech, but I've if I understand this correctly, would this mean that even if someone has protected their wireless network with MAC control tables, it could be now compromised?

    Is it possible to sniff the MAC address from the traffic as well? This would mean that even if there's MAC control table in use, it could be by passed as the password can also be cracked.

    1. Re:MAC Control tables useless? by Baal+Sebub · · Score: 1
      Is it possible to sniff the MAC address from the traffic as well?

      MAC addresses need to be broadcast. Also they can easily be spoofed.
      So yes, you understand this correctly.

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    2. Re:MAC Control tables useless? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It has been my understanding that the MAC address never was encrypted anyway, so anyone sniffing can always clone (fake) one that is valid & in use.

      Think about it. The MAC address is how all of the packets you send anywhere get back to you. If those were encrypted? How much of your outgoing packets would return thru your NAT box?

    3. Re:MAC Control tables useless? by MarcQuadra · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Er, MAC filtering is the LEAST safe way to lock-out wireless. MAC addresses are EASILY picked-out of the air, and all you have to do is push the address you want to your wifi card to 'steal' one.

      MAC filtering is not encryption, even if you MAC filter, I can come by with any number of 'tools' and leech all your traffic without having to do any work. Perhaps the only thing MAC filtering does is keep the non-technical neighbor upstairs off your signal.

      This article refers to another way to crack networks that are actually encrypted, which was generally enough of a hassle that someone would want to specifically target YOU before going through the trouble. As with all encryption though, cracking what's out there gets easier every day, time to move up to something else!

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    4. Re:MAC Control tables useless? by Ized · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the info. I understood that the article was about WEP password cracking, but it also has a little link to MAC control tables (filtering): MAC filtering is also used as one layer of protection, but it's obviously rendered useless by these crackers if one combines aircrack+mac-spoofing.

      This means that even if you use WEP + MAC Filtering which is a common recommendation for securiting WIFI, you are not safe!

    5. Re:MAC Control tables useless? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This reminds me of the Egnima machine problem...

      The best solution is to have a table of mac address or keys that are transfered at one time and to broadcast a different one per second based on System Clock time... One per minute might be more feasible. But based on this combination, each computer and receiver would send and receive a key based on what time it is (based on a random seed on both computers) and therefore the key transmitted for that time is only useful at that time. Of course this means you have up to date cpu times and maybe a time sync program saying "What time is it?" back and forth.

  10. Re:But nobody can crack my Slashdot password by spectrokid · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    But in south Korea, only old people use WEP anyway!!!

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  11. Security is an illusion ... by Gopal.V · · Score: 4, Interesting
    To be truthful, nothing is secure ... It can only be "Secure Enough". If the cost of breaking something is more than the benifit - that is security in one sense.

    Any encryption can be broken - given enough resources ... The trick is to make it so difficult that nobody finds out unless they are prepared to invest more than what you did (time, computing power, money, technology).

    Interestingly in India, according to Department of Telecom website - security means something different :).
    23. Individuals/Groups/Organisations are permitted to use encryption upto 40 bit key length in the RSA algorithms or its equivalent in other algorithms without having to obtain permission from the Telecom Authority. However, if encryption equipments higher than this limit are to be deployed, individuals/groups/organisations shall do so with the prior written permission of the Telecom Authority and deposit the decryption key, split into two parts, with the Telecom Authority.
    We have to keep our private keys in ESCROW to use >40 bit encryption ... Talk about stupid laws (of course which no-one enforces or obeys).
    1. Re:Security is an illusion ... by amorsen · · Score: 4, Funny

      Heh, I love the fact that they mention 40-bit RSA. 40-bit symmetric could be sort of used back in the 80's. With 40-bit RSA it's faster to break the encryption than to type in the key.

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    2. Re:Security is an illusion ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Security is not an "illusion", then, if there are different degrees of security. That's like saying heat is an illusion because nothing's "100% hot." Except, I'm sure, for something that I am unaware of.

      "Security is not an absolute" is what I think you mean.

    3. Re:Security is an illusion ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Data XORed with an equal amount of "truely" random data is secure as long as you keep the random data secret and never re-use it. :p

    4. Re:Security is an illusion ... by davids-world.com · · Score: 1

      Such a law is not meant to be enforced against random people like us. But it serves to punish people that are suspected of illegal activity, but can't be convicted because they encrypted their communications. Then, these suspects can be arrested on grounds of violation of such a law, and tried when further evidence has been gathered.

      I'd like to compare it to a weapons license that you need to obtain in every sane country in order to possess firearms legally.

    5. Re:Security is an illusion ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's a test for alfredo's place which will hopefully work.

    6. Re:Security is an illusion ... by Bwian_of_Nazareth · · Score: 1

      This is wrong thinking. A law that is not to be enforced it wrong because it teached people that some laws are not "proper" and do not have to be obeyed. Laws cannot be used as a tool to punish the bad guys when there is nothing else to punish them for.

    7. Re:Security is an illusion ... by Gopal.V · · Score: 1
      I'd like to compare it to a weapons license that you need to obtain in every sane country in order to possess firearms legally.

      I won't have minded it if they asked for a provision to ask for private keys - I just don't trust the government that much - Especially my clients.

      Laws like patents, have to specific - otherwise they are easily misused.
    8. Re:Security is an illusion ... by clap_hands · · Score: 1

      Any encryption can be broken - given enough resources ... The trick is to make it so difficult that nobody finds out unless they are prepared to invest more than what you did (time, computing power, money, technology).

      I agree with your comments about it only being necessary to secure something with respect to how much resources your adversaries are willing to invest in attacking it. However, it's not really true that all encryption can be broken, although this idea dates back at least to Edgar Allen Poe: "we say again deliberately that human ingenuity cannot concoct a cipher which human ingenuity cannot resolve."

      First, we have the one-time pad, which has provable secrecy; even an army of quantum computers couldn't help you find the correct plaintext.

      Secondly, while the one-time pad is not particularly useful in modern cryptography, we have algorithms, such as Triple-DES or AES, which (as far as is known) the amount of resources needed to break far exceeds the resources available to the entire of humanity. In these cases, it is not reasonable to say that "any encryption can be broken".

    9. Re:Security is an illusion ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      First, we have the one-time pad, which has provable secrecy; even an army of quantum computers couldn't help you find the correct plaintext.

      Who says it has to be done by a computer? The one-time pad is the weakest link, so you just put all your resources into obtaining it.

      Secondly, while the one-time pad is not particularly useful in modern cryptography, we have algorithms, such as Triple-DES or AES, which (as far as is known) the amount of resources needed to break far exceeds the resources available to the entire of humanity. In these cases, it is not reasonable to say that "any encryption can be broken".

      Hardly. Exceeds resources available to consumers, yes, but governments can conjure up the power needed if they had a good enough reason. The point is that it can be cracked eventually. Even if it would take millions of years by today's standards, that overlooks the possibility of new technology maybe as little as 10, 20, or 50 years down the road that could crack it in a reasonable amount of time. So as the OP points out, security is temporal and relative, not absolute.

    10. Re:Security is an illusion ... by clap_hands · · Score: 1
      Who says it has to be done by a computer? The one-time pad is the weakest link, so you just put all your resources into obtaining it.

      You could, of course, use various methods to try and steal the key/pad, and this is certainly a very real risk, but this is bypassing the encryption, not breaking it. There's a distinction between compromising the security and breaking encryption.

    11. Re:Security is an illusion ... by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      Such a law is not meant to be enforced against random people like us. But it serves to punish people that are suspected of illegal activity, but can't be convicted because they encrypted their communications. Then, these suspects can be arrested on grounds of violation of such a law, and tried when further evidence has been gathered.

      Yes it is. All laws apply to all people. Mere suspicion of illegal activity is not enough to warrant punishment in any free society. I can't tell for certain, but it sounds like you're actually in favor of this sort of law. I can only assume that you haven't though the matter through.

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  12. Misread the headline... by Timo_UK · · Score: 4, Funny

    And I thought they had released some crackers from prison...

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  13. Make getting on the internet go faster. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Would you like to search for a wireless basestation?
    Yes.
    Would you like to connect?
    Yes.

    A few minutes or even seconds later ......

    Todays cpu's really can "get you on the internet faster".

  14. Re:Feasibility of dictionary attacks no protocol f by amorsen · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Every communication which uses passwords for authentication is susceptible to dictionary attacks

    But the good ones only allow online dictionary attacts. LEAP, PPTP, WEP, and unfortunately WPA all allow offline attacks.

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  15. aircrack - Korek based attack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    After capturing packets in kismet for 3 days (1.2million crypt packets), I successfully ran aircrack on the resultant .dump files. The WEP cracked almost as soon as the dump files had been parsed.

    However, the essid remained hidden. How does one use the WEP key without an ssid?

    1. Re:aircrack - Korek based attack by fedx · · Score: 1

      The SSID of a network can be spotted when a client associates with the network. Even though the AP is set to not broadcast, the client still needs to pass it in plain text to make the initial connection.

      You might have to be patient to catch it though...

    2. Re:aircrack - Korek based attack by b33t13 · · Score: 1

      No, you just run void11 to bounce everyone off the network, encrypted or not, and as they reassociate, you will see the SSID for that network with Kismet. No waiting needed. Sincerely, Beetle The Shmoo Group

  16. To get this out of the way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Since this article deals with something that potentially could cause a network outage I'd like to forestal what passes for wit amongst computer geeks and suggest that this post be the single +5, Funny 'no carrier' joke in the comments for this story. And with no further ado - the joke.

    lol lol lol, no one could ever crack my...

    [NO CARRIER]

  17. Re:Feasibility of dictionary attacks no protocol f by wirelessbuzzers · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Every communication which uses passwords for authentication is susceptible to dictionary attacks. That is not a protocol weakness. If you use a random and long enough password, you'll be fine. Public key based authentication has other risks, like insufficiently secured storage of the key.

    First, you will note that the attack on WEP (but not on PPTP) is not a dictionary attack and works with a computer-generated random 64- or 128-bit key. This is a protocol weakness.

    Second, a good protocol does protect passwords. Either it establishes an encrypted session with the server, like SSH or SSL does, or it uses a secure password protocol like SRP. SRP in particular has the following properties:

    1) The protocol is entirely public, and open-source implementations are available.
    2) An eavesdropper on the wire does not get a dictionary attack on the password; without breaking the crypto behind the protocol, which nobody has been able to do yet, he gets no information. Of course, he can still do an online attack, but the server should prevent that.
    3) Someone impersonating the server also does not get a dictionary attack on the password, even though the client does not need to memorize a key hash.
    4) Someone who compromises the server database does get a dictionary attack on the password (this is inevitable), but they don't get the password for free. Furthermore, the password is salted, so they have some work to do.

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  18. Re:Feasibility of dictionary attacks no protocol f by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Before authentication there's always the possibility of a man in the middle, who could then perform offline attacks. I don't think any protocol can avoid this. However, an attack on passively captured data is worse, I'll give you that.

  19. Re:Feasibility of dictionary attacks no protocol f by rokzy · · Score: 1

    what about bank card or mobile phone PINs? get it wrong 3 times in a row and you're locked out and need to have your card/phone reactivated.

    if the protocol or system involved doesn't allow for a penalty against failed atempts, then that IS a weakness.

  20. Re: But nobody can crack my Slashdot password by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And in soviet Russia, WEP crack you!

  21. Re:Feasibility of dictionary attacks no protocol f by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    A failed attempt penalty is a DoS risk. Trading false positives for false negatives can also be seen as a security problem.

  22. Old news by IO+ERROR · · Score: 2, Funny
    This story is old news, as I posted the following way back in April:

    If you bought one of those shiny new 802.11{abg} access points so you could be lazy and use your laptop in bed without a bunch of cords dangling all over the place, you have a decision to make. Do you want your neighbors and random strangers using your Internet connection?

    If you decide you don't want other people using your connection, then don't do these things:

    • Hide your SSID. Your access point will broadcast it anyway whenever your computer associates, and if you're using Windows XP then it associates every few seconds.
    • Use MAC filtering. Your access point will broadcast valid MAC addresses whenever those stations are in use, and anybody can pick those up and change their MAC address to match yours.
    • Use WEP. It's easy enough to crack that anybody listening can recover your WEP key in a fairly short time if you actually use your wireless connection for anything.
    • Use a Microsoft access point. Microsoft access points will gladly send their WEP key to anybody who asks, making WEP completely useless.
    • Use LEAP. It is based on Microsoft CHAP and a poor implementation at that. It's easy to crack.

    Hm, what's the point of enabling all that security if it's so easy to get around? Here are some other things you might try:

    • Turn off the access point's DHCP server. Won't do you much good, since somebody can just "borrow" your IP address when you aren't using it or use an unused IP address in your subnet.
    • Reorient the access point's antenna. Then you'll just have the people on the other side of your apartment using it.

    Hm, you may as well just take the damn thing back and get a refund, and suffer the Ethernet cord.

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    1. Re:Old news by beeblebrox87 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Whats wrong with letting the world access your network? Use SSH/SSL etc to keep your connections secure. If somebody wants internet access, why not provide a public service to them? Wouldn't you like it if someone else did the same for you? If they start using too much bandwidth you can always you can politely ask them to stop, and if that fails, blackmail them with all the pr0n they've been downloading.

    2. Re:Old news by DarkMantle · · Score: 2, Informative

      The problem isn't about someone using another persons access point. The problem is what they use it to access. They are usually used to access things that the war driver doesn't want tracked to his home. So the problem isn't all the pr0n theve' been downloading, it's the age of the people in the pr0n. This then gets traced back to the IP address your router had at that date/time, and then you're charged for it.

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    3. Re:Old news by LiquidCoooled · · Score: 3, Informative

      Whats wrong with it is your not an ISP, and your not protected by the same rules, regulations and laws as them.

      So if someone did illegal things through your connection, YOU will still be responsible.

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    4. Re:Old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If somebody wants internet access, why not provide a public service to them?

      And if they are spamming/breaking into NASA/trading child porn?

    5. Re:Old news by downhole · · Score: 1

      This might be a stupid question, but isn't WPA fairly secure?

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    6. Re:Old news by kieran · · Score: 1

      One word: Traceability.

    7. Re:Old news by Ziviyr · · Score: 1

      I dunno why Ethernet is such a bad word...

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    8. Re:Old news by HeghmoH · · Score: 1

      This is wacky. You dismiss WEP and SSID hiding as useless, yet seriously recommend turning off the DHCP server will help?

      Hiding your SSID and enabling WEP will turn away all casual freeloaders. Yes, WEP is crackable, but you still need to be fairly knowledgeable to do it. Doing these two things will save you from 99% of the attackers out there. Turn on MAC restrictions, and you've probably gotten rid of 90% of what's left. Turning off the DHCP server can't hurt, but anybody who can get through the WEP and the MAC filtering will be able to guess a working address without any thought.

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    9. Re:Old news by nickname225 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think there is a high level of hysteria about this issue of you being responsible for someone using your link to download child porn. Remember - the criminal standard is "proof beyond a reasonable doubt". I am an attorney and I work for a District Attorney (although criminal law is not my area) and we would be extremely unlikely to prosecute anyone for child porn without finding actual images in the defendant's possession.

    10. Re:Old news by beanlover · · Score: 1

      Actually...if the person that shares the internet connection with *anyone* has a better chance of beating a criminal charge than someone with guards in place to keep everyone out. It gives a "shadow of a doubt" in these cases.

      There was a case recently where someone was aquitted of kiddie pr0n charges because he claimed some spyware/malware/trojan program was the one that downloaded it to their computer and not them (no I don't have a link...I remember hearing about it on TV...I think).

      Now, granted, if you aren't doing anything illegal in the first place then secure your wireless! If you are this is actually a nearly-perfect cover for it (unfortunately).

    11. Re:Old news by beeblebrox87 · · Score: 0

      And if they are spamming/breaking into NASA/trading child porn?

      Assuming you live in a developed country, you can just assemble some logs and evidence on them and then take it to the police along with any data you can gather about the user and their machine. (Or just go talk to the user and threaten to tell the police.) Probably best to put a note in the SSID like YourConnectionIsBeingMonitored and hope they get the hint.

      Really, though, there aren't that many people in the world who spam, enjoy child porn, or have the ability to hack NASA. Most of your users would probably just be freeloaders who like not having to pay for internet. In fact, given the fairly short range of wireless access points (mine barely reaches two rooms away), it's unlikely you'd have many users at all. My point is that if you do, it's not the end of the world, and generally a better solution than dealing with the limitations of dragging a big ethernet cable around with you, as the great-grandparent post suggested.

    12. Re:Old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now, granted, if you aren't doing anything illegal in the first place then secure your wireless!

      The point of the article is basically that this is impossible. It's pretty easy to break a wireless secured with current technology, so why bother with all the inconvenience of security when it doesn't help? Securing your network won't stop people from using it to download kiddie pr0n, but leaving it insecure will give you a better legal defense if someone does.

    13. Re:Old news by supabeast! · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with letting people on my LAN? How about what happens when a local bootlegger uses my connection to grab 0-day torrents of the latest CDs/DVDs and the RIAA/MPAA sue ME when my ISP reports that I had the IP address he was sharing the torrent from? Or worse, some pervert starts trading kiddie porn from my home and the FBI shows up at the door? Perhaps a psychotic neighbor uses my LAN to harrass politicians and then the secret service stops by?

      Open wireless points might work for people living on a farm in Kansas, but in any urban area or even a decent suburb, it's just a bad idea.

    14. Re:Old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are assuming that a) you will notice when you allow your connection to be used in this way, b) that you'll be able to gather useful information, c) the police won't mind that you knowingly let the person do this while you gathered the evidence, d) that there will be no other negative repercussions (e.g. you won't get all your email blackholed for spamming), and of course, the good old standyby, e) It Won't Happen To Me[tm]. That's a lot of assumptions.

    15. Re:Old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Turn on MAC restrictions, and you've probably gotten rid of 90% of what's left.

      Turning on MAC restrictions after enabling WEP really doesn't turn many more people away. With MAC restrictions on, a cracker can still listen to your wirelessly transmitted signals and do passive analysis. Passive analysis is the primary method of breaking the WEP key and is much more difficult than sniffing for MAC addresses and changing one's adapter to use an unfiltered MAC address. MAC filtering does turn more people away without encryption though.

    16. Re:Old news by Eraser_ · · Score: 1

      The problem with that is, the same kinda person who might have an open access point and be prosecuted for child porn based on IP tracking, might also have a not-so-secure windows install just waiting to have someone put the pictures there for you to find.

      Windows XP is getting past this issue, but anyone who might turn on filesharing just to see what it's all about could be left out in the cold. Proof beyond a reasonable doubt would be very easy to create. Oddly enough, with Mozilla it is probably easier to create false cache instances because all of the profile stuff is open source. A file here, an edit there.

      Of course, all of this could come to their aide if they really were surfing child porn on the internet.

    17. Re:Old news by kwalker · · Score: 1

      That doesn't help once they've confiscated every bit of electronics in my house, destroyed them, then kept them in storage for five years "just in case". Yeah I don't get charged with child porn, but all of my creative works and personal data are gone.

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    18. Re:Old news by PalmMP3 · · Score: 1

      Don't forget our "buddies" at the RIAA/MPAA: if someone with a wireless-enabled notebook uses Kazaa to download music/movies through your broadband connection, you are the one who's gonna get whacked with the lawsuit.

      Imagine how ironic it would be if someone used your connection to illegally download the song "Bad Boys". The lyrics are too apropriate: "Bad boys, bad boys. Watcha gonna do when they come for you?" ;-) 'Cause you sure are gonna have one heck of a time proving you didn't do it, especially if you HAVE a large collection of music on your computer (doubly so if not all of it is legal).

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    19. Re:Old news by IO+ERROR · · Score: 1
      This is wacky. You dismiss WEP and SSID hiding as useless, yet seriously recommend turning off the DHCP server will help?

      You obviously missed my tongue firmly lodged in my cheek.

      I'm saying ALL of the above are useless, because ALL of the above can be worked around. I should know, I've done it. Purely in a test environment, of course. Nevermind that the name of the test environment bears a strong resemblance to the name of the city in which I live...

      Yes, implementing any of the above will cause the casual complete idiot to go ten feet down the street and play with your neighbor's wide open AP with the SSID still set to "netgear", but we're more concerned with the not-at-all-casual person who knows what he's doing, for that's the one who will cause you the most grief.

      The only solution I've seen that actually worked was someone who put up a nice, wide open access point and then stuck a firewall/VPN behind it. You have to connect to the VPN over the wireless connection to get anywhere.

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    20. Re:Old news by DarkMantle · · Score: 1

      And even being investigated is enough to cause the loss of a job if they are a teacher. It's happened a few times up here in Canada. Well... after found innocent they let him teach again, but 2 years of suspension without pay still hurts.

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    21. Re:Old news by HeghmoH · · Score: 1
      This is wacky. You dismiss WEP and SSID hiding as useless, yet seriously recommend turning off the DHCP server will help?
      You obviously missed my tongue firmly lodged in my cheek.

      Yeah, that happens when everything is done in text. Sorry.

      I'm saying ALL of the above are useless, because ALL of the above can be worked around. I should know, I've done it. Purely in a test environment, of course. Nevermind that the name of the test environment bears a strong resemblance to the name of the city in which I live...

      And here we differ greatly. To me, "useful" doesn't mean that it can resist every conceivable attack that can come from the hand of man. If I can turn away casual attackers by doing something, then it is useful even if a determined attacker can get through it.

      Yes, implementing any of the above will cause the casual complete idiot to go ten feet down the street and play with your neighbor's wide open AP with the SSID still set to "netgear", but we're more concerned with the not-at-all-casual person who knows what he's doing, for that's the one who will cause you the most grief.

      Personally, I'm more concerned about casual people, because they're a thousand times more common than people like you or me. Also, I can conceivably stop casual people, whereas I can't stop people like you or me without more effort than I'm willing to put in.

      The only solution I've seen that actually worked was someone who put up a nice, wide open access point and then stuck a firewall/VPN behind it. You have to connect to the VPN over the wireless connection to get anywhere.

      This is indeed the way to go if you need to be completely secure, and it's what I'd do if I really had to. However, if somebody really wants to get on my network, I won't be too sad about it. My important computer is secure, and my connection will stand up to whatever you do with it until I see your traffic and figure out how to get you off. What I don't want is random people coming on my network every day, and WEP is good enough for that.
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    22. Re:Old news by IO+ERROR · · Score: 1

      For the record, I actually kept the damned wireless AP off entirely until I figured out it was running Linux. Now I have it on, and MAC filtering in place. Haven't set up WEP yet, mainly because I'm in an out of the way area and I'd notice anyone with a laptop or PDA around in range -- and they'd be frozen stiff standing out there in below zero weather, especially with the winds we've been having lately...

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    23. Re:Old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever heard of civil seizure? The DA hasn't needed reasonable doubt to punish people since the 80s.

    24. Re:Old news by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

      That's what I've read, but I've also had zero success in getting it to work.

  23. So how can I secure my connection? by NaveWeiss · · Score: 1

    If I want to create a wireless network and make it secure, using Win32, what should I do then? I used to think that encrypted PPtP is enough. I guess it isn't.

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    1. Re:So how can I secure my connection? by PatrickThomson · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I use openvpn for securing my home network (the access point is open and nonrouting), and although it's a bit of a shit to get set up, I've never had any problems, and I've got 1.5 meg/sec using blowfish from a K6-400 at the other end.

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    2. Re:So how can I secure my connection? by AusG4 · · Score: 1

      The problem really is not -securing- your connection, it's both securing and limiting access to your wireless network.

      That said, your best bet, until 802.11i is widespread, is to buy an access point and wireless card that support WPA, which provides for regular key changes.

      Additionally, be sure to configure your base station to only allow your specific MAC address (the address of your personal wireless card and any other authorized cards) to peer with your access point.

      This way, even if someone -does- break your WAP packets (though unlikely, especially since some base stations support AES now, your mileage may vary), at least they can't connect to your AP and suckle at your bandwidth.

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    3. Re:So how can I secure my connection? by Kent+Recal · · Score: 1

      Same here (ibook + linux router). And I didnt find it that hard to set up (good learning expirience) but you obviously need some basic networking knowledge (IP addresses and such).

      The only problem is that when a friend comes over he can't just hook into the wifi. But well, that's how I learned that OpenVPN works fine on windows, too and once you've scribbled up the really small config file (mine is 10 lines!) it's a matter of minutes to enable a new host.

    4. Re:So how can I secure my connection? by DeathBunny · · Score: 1

      Use WPA. WPA enterprise (uses a radius server) is very secure. WPA-PSK (pre shared key) can be very secure if you use a long, semirandom key.

    5. Re:So how can I secure my connection? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "at least they can't connect to your AP and suckle at your bandwidth"

      ... you're still not safe. It's very easy to masquarade as a different MAC address over wireless. All a malicious user would have to do is break the encryption, learn what MAC addresses are being used, and pretend to be one of them. With the help of firewalls breaking the TCP protocol (i.e., firewalls simply discarding unexpected packets instead of saying "no"), a malicious user could very easily tap into your bandwidth regardless of MAC filtering. Obviously, only a skilled person would be able to do this initially, but it only takes one of them to make a script-kiddie tool.

  24. Re:Feasibility of dictionary attacks no protocol f by amorsen · · Score: 3, Informative

    If you have automatic server authentication (which is often fairly easy to do with certificates or simply stored keys a la ssh) then you can avoid man-in-the-middle.

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  25. Thank goodness.... by wcitechnologies · · Score: 1

    Thank goodness for firmware upgrades.

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  26. We've known WEP was broken for a long time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    This article shows that the time needed to break WEP is smaller than previously demonstrated, not that WEP is any less safe than before. Really, we've known WEP was no good for a _long_ time. The reasons are well known. Both WPA and the recently ratified 802.11i RSN provide good solid fixes to link layer wireless security.

    So, this isn't really "new" news, although it should reinforce the message that WEP is worse than useless.

    1. Re:We've known WEP was broken for a long time by ifoxtrot · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Actually I disagree with you. Not on the fact that WEP wasn't "broken" before, but on the fact that you say WEP is worse than useless.

      Security is not an absolute, it is relative. Yes WEP is broken, worse than previously thought.
      WEP, however bad it is (and however many better solutions exist) still stops most people from using your bandwidth. Retail studies have shown that most staff theft is opportunistic - while most people are basically honest, if they see money lying around, most of them will pick it up. Same goes for unprotected bandwidth. Many people would not have a problem if it's completely open, but put even the semblance of a lock and they won't try to break in - that's because they have to actively be dishonest in order to steal your bandwidth/money, as opposed to ignorant.

      So while it wasn't a perfect solution TM, it was actually better than nothing.

      I'm not arguing that better solutions aren't available, but I am saying that WEP isn't as completely useless as you make it out to be.

      What would you prefer no security or bad security? That's actually a trickier question than it sounds!

    2. Re:We've known WEP was broken for a long time by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      WEP is usefull just like a "No Trespassing" sign on a short fence is usefull, it does serve to reasonably notify anyone trying to connect that they are unwelcome on your network.

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  27. cut&paste complete article by nietsch · · Score: 0, Redundant
    I only got some ad for FREE microsof security products (sewage odorizers?) here is the complete article :)
    WEP: Dead Again, Part 1 by Michael Ossmann last updated December 14, 2004 Introduction

    This article is the first of a two-part series that looks at the new generation of WEP cracking tools for WiFi networks, which offer dramatically faster speeds for penetration testers over the previous generation of tools. In many cases, a WEP key can be determined in seconds or minutes. Part one, below, compares the latest KoreK based tools that perform passive statistical analysis and brute-force cracking on a sample of collected WEP traffic. Next time, in part two, we'll look at active attack vectors, including a method to dramatically increase the rate of packet collection to make statistical attacks even more potent.

    Is WEP that bad?

    Many security folks and even more wireless folks these days are saying that WEP isn't all that bad. They say that if you use modern equipment that filters weak Initial Vectors (IVs) and change your keys frequently (or at least once in a while), nobody will ever crack your WEP. Sure, maybe some next-generation WEP attacks will arise one day that will change everything, but WEP is okay today for all but the most sensitive networks. Well, that next-generation is already here, heralded by highly functional tools that make WEP look weaker than Barney Fife on guard duty, sleeping on the job.

    Let's take a look at some of the new tools that should be in every penetration tester's bag of tricks, rather then delving into the details of why the various attacks work. Time and time again, the industry has shown that it will not reject broken security safeguards until attacks are actually demonstrated in the real world. Here's how to quickly turn some heads.

    The way things were

    Since the summer of 2001, WEP cracking has been a trivial but time consuming process. A few tools, AirSnort perhaps the most famous, that implement the Fluhrer-Mantin-Shamir (FMS) attack were released to the security community -- who until then were aware of the problems with WEP but did not have practical penetration testing tools. Although simple to use, these tools require a very large number of packets to be gathered before being able to crack a WEP key. The AirSnort web site estimates the total number of packets at five to ten million, but the number actually required may be higher than you think.

    The first caveat to this old approach is that only encrypted packets count. As wireless access points transmit unencrypted beacons several times per second, it is easy to be fooled into believing that you have a larger number of useful packets than you really do. If you use Kismet for network discovery and sniffing, it breaks down the packet count for you, displaying the number of "Crypted" packets separately from the total number, as shown below: Figure 1. Kismet in action.

    The second thing working against your packet collection efforts is that only certain "interesting" or "weak" IVs are vulnerable to attack. Kismet also tells you how many of these have been gathered, although it may not use the same counting method as the various cracking tools. To make matters more difficult, wireless manufacturers responded to the FMS attack by filtering out the majority of weak IVs that their access points and wireless cards transmit. Unless your target network is using old equipment, chances are you'll have to collect no less than ten million encrypted packets to crack a WEP key using these older tools.

    In early 2002, h1kari released a tool called dwepcrack (part of the bsd-airtools package) that improved upon the existing implementations of the FMS attack. Although dwepcrack did a good job of advancing the practical implementation of statistical WEP cryptanalysis, its improvements were only incremental.

    Tools that changed everything

    On August 8th, 2004, a hacker n

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  28. Joshua rocks again by Rodux · · Score: 1

    Joshua simply rocks, this guy works well. Again.

  29. Securing wireless connections by da.phreak · · Score: 5, Informative

    I did not trust WEP even before this tools were released. I read a bit about securing the connection independent of the wireless equipment. Treating the wireless connection like a public network, I set up a Virtual Private Network (VPN). I'd like to share my experiences:

    First I tried to setup IPSec. It was a nightmare. Although I know a lot about computers and networks I did not manage to setup IPSec. It's configuration is so complicated, I have no clue. Although, it must be possible to get IPSec running, maybe it's just me who is too stupid :). IPSec would have been the most secure solution, but despite public belief it's not that secure:

    http://www.schneier.com/paper-ipsec.html

    Then I tried Cipe. It was very easy to get it running, but it's horribly insecure. Peter Gutmann wrote a nice article, which was in the news on slashdot some time ago:

    http://lists.virus.org/cryptography-0309/msg00257. html

    In that article I read about tinc, which I now use. It's almost as easy to setup as cipe, but more secure (although not perfect and not as good as IPSec). Here is the answer of the developers of tinc to Peter Gutmann's article:

    http://www.tinc-vpn.org/security

    So, maybe if you believe them it's not that bad, I'm not sure about this.

    I think one great advantage of the VPN-solutions is that AFAIK there are no tools available that make cracking them as easy as cracking WEP. So the "common War Driver" or Script Kiddie has no clue what to do, you'd need some kind of expert to crack your connection. And, if such an expert is trying to break your security, you maybe have a bigger problem anyway.

    I just wanted to have an acceptable level of security and lock War Drivers out.

    1. Re:Securing wireless connections by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      IPsec is actually quite secure when used properly. The main complaint of security experts like Schneier is that IPsec is too complex for most people to set up at all, let alone set up securely. Apparently you yourself fell victim to this complexity.

      A working IPsec wireless gateway setup is described at WAVEsec.

      The best lightweight VPN suite available in the free software world is probably OpenVPN. It uses standard SSL encryption instead of trying to invent its own, and so far no doubt has been cast on its security.

    2. Re:Securing wireless connections by da.phreak · · Score: 1

      Thanks, I'll try it !

    3. Re:Securing wireless connections by ksp · · Score: 2
      I have had similar problems, I find that wireless is getting so common that laptops and desktops ship with preinstalled cards and I got a router from work as part of the home broadband deal.

      I haven't started to use it yet, due to paranoia. I have several Linux boxen that are on my inside net and I don't want to compromise them.

      Fortunately, one box has an unused NIC that I can use for the 802.x router. I plan to use L2TP and IPSec on this, but the instructions are rather intimidating and the protocol compatibility across platforms may cause issues. I have to use Win XP for work, I use Win2K and Linux myself.

      Check out this set of detailed instructions: Using a Linux L2TP/IPsec VPN server. I am hoping that this is sufficient to keep everything up and running for a few years without my neighbours cracking it. That is probably the main obstacle with these home networks, the smartest users just enable WEP and leave it running forever.

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  30. honeypot WAP time! by EvilStein · · Score: 2, Funny

    I have like 5 WAPs plugged in - but only one of them is actually plugged into the network. Go ahead, waste some time cracking the WEP keys on the 4 other ones that don't even have ethernet cables plugged into them. muhahahahaa..

    The 5th one is a flaky piece of crap anyway and will likely just fry your WiFi card when my roommate fires up the microwave.

    1. Re:honeypot WAP time! by Insensitive_Claudio · · Score: 1

      Yes, but what if I guess the right one on my first try?

      Even an idiot can win at Russian Roulette.

    2. Re:honeypot WAP time! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whichever one seems to be generating the most activity will be the one I want to target.

      Duh??

    3. Re:honeypot WAP time! by CommanderData · · Score: 1

      Who needs 5 WAPs when you can use Fake AP and have 50,000 fake ones? Hide your one real access point in plain sight with a sea of beacon frames. Watch wardriver's heads explode when they cruise through your neighborhood!

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  31. Hidden ESSID by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One question.... I've seen some equipment which actually hides the ESSID .... which means that if you scan for access points (using the common tools) you will not find anything. Now the thing is, using "any" as essid on your client, will connect it to the AP?? secondly, can the essid be obtained without accessing somebody's computer with access to that AP? Because if both questions are NO, them at least the access to your network will be secure enough from the occasional "bandwith leeching neighbour". On the other hand I think this would not pevent somebody from sniffing the data passing by, would it?

    1. Re:Hidden ESSID by raygundan · · Score: 1

      The SSID will still be broadcast during communication between the computers and the base station. I have a neighbor who is "secured" like this. Windows XP occasionally prompts me to see if I want to connect, which means he's using his internet connection. If I copy down the SSID, I can reconnect later without trouble even though he is no longer doing anything that causes the SSID to be transmitted.

  32. Is PPTP considered safe? by kahei · · Score: 1


    I am not an expert on security -- could someone just tell me in 1 sentence whether PPTP can be considered 'secure' for a VPN at the moment? Or is it worth going to some other VPN infrastructure?

    Thanks to anyone who replies.

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    1. Re:Is PPTP considered safe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as you use strong passwords (14 chars+), it is safe.

    2. Re:Is PPTP considered safe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It probably depends on what the value is of what you want to protect and who you are up with. If your aim is to keep off your neighbours and opportunistic wardrivers, then you are safe with PPTP and very long passwords, as the other AC mentioned. However, if you are worried about the NSA, KGB etc. then I am fairly sure that they have the resources to crack PPTP. If you want to protect against industrial espionage, do not use PPTP.

    3. Re:Is PPTP considered safe? by halfelven · · Score: 2, Informative

      According to this very article we're commenting now :-) it's not secure.
      Have a look at OpenVPN instead.

    4. Re:Is PPTP considered safe? by stacko · · Score: 1

      In one sentence: yes, it can be secure (as far as we know), but you have to use it correctly.

      The weakness with PPTP comes from the fact that you can use a dictionary attack on the password. Dictionary attacks work when you have weak passwords, i.e. passwords that appear in (or are easily derived from) words that appear in a dictionary.

      If you read the article (or any article on PPTP weaknesses), you'll see that you are generally considered safe if you use a strong password. If you have access to a Unix box, you can do the following:

      perl -MMIME::Base64 -ne 'print encode_base64($_)' < /dev/random | pr -t | head -n 1

      On my Mac, the output looks like this:

      mymac$ perl -MMIME::Base64 -ne 'print encode_base64($_)' < /dev/random | pr -t | head -n 1
      tlSxXqWBZeq4c6HZbH4i2rJZFXWkmN7nsifKpShovJU8otw xBUeYQirhOltUr7pZhb9ODfRzpL2

      The output you see would qualify as a strong password, and if you use this technique you should be safe. Notice, though, that it's a massive pain to use and type: no one can memorize it.

      Another option, though not guaranteed to be as secure, is a rule of thumb I learned a long time ago: pick three unrelated words, and separate them with punctuation characters. For example, I choose boat, touch, and George, and I come up with: boat*touch!George as my password. To be super secure, I've heard that it should be at least 20 characters long, though I don't know the mathematical justification for a length of 20.

  33. Re: But nobody can crack my Slashdot password by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And in china WEP is always positive.

    Can we stop now?

  34. The RIAA Cares! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had a sneaky neighbor using my wireless internet for a while since I had accidentally removed WEP and was broadcasting my SSID. They decided to download a movie via Suprnova and the RIAA caught on.

    Guess who got a notice from the ISP/RIAA? Me. My neighbor is clean and clear!

    Sharing your internet without limits (or accidentally, in my case) is a BAD IDEA. If someone wants internet access, let them pay for it.

    1. Re:The RIAA Cares! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They decided to download a movie via Suprnova and the RIAA caught on.

      Err, the RIAA doesn't care about movies, they only care about music. The MPAA cares about movies. Your post therefore does not make any sense.

      Furthermore, none of this matters if you live outside the US.

  35. Re:Now who can we blame for downloading GB of stuf by Dasch · · Score: 1

    This is actually quite scaring. One of my neighbours's computers were confiscated by the police about a month ago because of alleged child pornography downloading (3 pictures.) The house was empty at the time of the crime though (it was before noon,) and they had a wireless network (which wasn't protected by anything, not even WEP,) so anyone could have stood on the sidewalk and downloaded the pictures. They'll get their computers back in about 6 months...

  36. IPsec by johnjones · · Score: 1

    it can be easy but mostly its hard to get servers to talk to each other

    IPSec is cross platform people and AIRPORT people should just use it and dump the crypto stuff on the cards and let the OS deal with it

    N. Ferguson and B. Schneier "it is the best IP security protocol available at the moment." bbut dont like the fact the config is hard...

    push the vendors to all support IPSec and make config easy and bingo "the world is a better place" tm

    do it

    john jones

  37. Stupid questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So are WPA-secured networks still fine? Also, how long might it take for us to get routers that can detect when they're being attacked and ban by MAC addresses?

  38. out of jail by Ian+0x57 · · Score: 1

    anyone else read this as someone who had gone to jail for cracking the passwords and they had just been released from jail? ...anyone ... hello .. it is so cold and lonley....

  39. One solution to all this security mess... IPSec by jonwil · · Score: 1

    We should see more movement towards encryption at the IP layer with something like IPSec.
    I know its not the "magic bullet" but it would certainly help with some areas of weak security.

    Only problem is that no-one is interested in implementing IPSec. Why cant we implement IPSec like we do with IPv6 where if both ends support it, it gets used.
    Then, people can install IPSec on their clients and servers and start using it.

    Although unless Microsoft added IPSec support to tcpip.sys or whatever (and released versions for current MS operating systems), its probobly not going to go anywhere :(

    1. Re:One solution to all this security mess... IPSec by rodionpunk · · Score: 1

      Freeswan tried to do something like this, but gave up due to lack of support from the community. Windows 2000+ have IPSec support built in, but I wouldn't exactly call it "easy" for the end user. (Freeswan was a little difficult as well, even for semi-techies.)

  40. Yes But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it digitally signed?

  41. Interesting tidbit from Microsoft's website by echocharlie · · Score: 1

    Here's a tidbit from Microsoft Website:

    MS-CHAP v2 is a password-based, challenge-response, mutual authentication protocol that uses the industry-standard Message Digest 4 (MD4) and Data Encryption Standard (DES) algorithms to encrypt responses. The authenticating server challenges the access client and the access client challenges the authenticating server. If either challenge is not correctly answered, the connection is rejected. MS-CHAP v2 was originally designed by Microsoft as a PPP authentication protocol to provide better protection for dial-up and virtual private network (VPN) connections. With Windows XP SP1, Windows XP SP2, Windows Server 2003, and Windows 2000 SP4, MS-CHAP v2 is also an EAP type.

    Although MS-CHAP v2 provides better protection than previous PPP-based challenge-response authentication protocols, it is still susceptible to an offline dictionary attack. A malicious user can capture a successful MS-CHAP v2 exchange and methodically guess passwords until the correct one is determined. Using the combination of PEAP with MS-CHAP v2, the MS-CHAP v2 exchange is protected with the strong security of the TLS channel.


    The editor's implication is that MS-CHAP is what makes PPTP and LEAP weak. But the reality is that M$ acknowledges it, and depends on an encrypted channel to make the authentication truly strong. CHAP is inherently breakable, whether it's an MS implementation or not.

    1. Re:Interesting tidbit from Microsoft's website by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are no encrypted channels with strong security in PPTP and LEAP. So using MS-CHAP for these protocols may be inappropriate.

  42. I'm not worried by mrjb · · Score: 1

    Call me old fashioned, I still prefer UTP for regular home use. I really like the 'It just works' feeling of it. And once it works, it keeps working, unlike wireless that mysteriously feels the need to go down once in a while.

    Also, if you have a regular RTL8139 or NE2000 clone like I do, no exotic drivers are needed either to get things up and running.

    Disclaimer: I don't have a clue about the current state of wireless on live distro's such as knoppix. Anyone hit me with a clue bat please?

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  43. People still use WEP? by AusG4 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Who still uses WEP? The weeknesses in WEP have been known for some time, and there have been more than a few working crackers in the wild for quite a while now.

    WPA is the money. It's far more secure than WEP in that it has key rotation, and some of the snazzier base stations already support AES as the cryptographic algorithm. Most older stations with dilligent vendors will at least support WPA with TKIP (RC4 with rotating keys), since it's a trivial addition from a compute-intensiveness point of view.

    That said, if you do insist on sticking with WEP (some people prefer classic cars to modern ones as well, I guess), or even less (ie, run an open base station) at least ensure that your access point is configured to only allow your specific MAC (as well as those you trust) to peer with it. This will at least keep the bandwidth sucklers off your back.

    Unless, of course, being suckled upon is what you like. At that point, do what you want. I'm Canadian, so my personal bandwidth is everyones bandwidth.

    Ahhh... socialism. :)

    As for PPTP, switch to using KAME, FreeS/WAN or your IPSec implementation of choice. You can, of course, even use IPSec to do transport level encryption for your wireless connection if your base station doesn't support WPA, though you would need additional boxen to do this, of course.

    Both of these (WPA and IPSec) provide the same functionality as what they replace (WEP and PPTP) with additional security benefits. We moved to WPA for our corporate access points over a year ago and have been running a 100% IPSec (SonicWall, specifically) VPN for just as long. They're functional, production tested and very secure.

    Don't wait. Do it now.

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    1. Re:People still use WEP? by lucas.clemente · · Score: 0

      ok,,, bear with a novice 802.11b/g user,,,,

      My question in regards to WPA and the Airport Express base station. Apple.com says WPA is built in, and automatically configured.

      However, you said that WPA uses rotating keys,,,,
      I only ever entered ONE password for my base station,,, does it somehow generate rotating keys from that?

      Or do I have to worry?

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    2. Re:People still use WEP? by KennyP · · Score: 1

      Well... Let's see...

      I'm still on 802.11b. There is no WPA for b. WEP is all we've got - and it's enough to keep out most casuals that peep your SSID (I *NEVER* broadcast the SSID - that's begging someone to mess with your network).

      I have no want or need to upgrade. I'll wait for 802.11n and then make the upgrade.

      Kenny P.
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    3. Re:People still use WEP? by Darren+Winsper · · Score: 1

      Do you know of an easy way to use WEP on Windows 2000? I've still got WEP enabled on my house's AP because one of my housemates uses W2K and I can't find a way to use WPA in it.

    4. Re:People still use WEP? by BigYawn · · Score: 1

      >That said, if you do insist on sticking with WEP (some people prefer classic cars to modern ones as well, I guess), or even less (ie, run an open base station) at least ensure that your access point is configured to only allow your specific MAC (as well as those you trust) to peer with it. This will at least keep the bandwidth sucklers off your back. Any programmer who knows how to use raw sockets can fake a source MAC address...

    5. Re:People still use WEP? by antdude · · Score: 1

      1. I have an old WAP device that doesn't support WEP.
      2. MAC addresses can be spoofed.

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    6. Re:People still use WEP? by DeathBunny · · Score: 1

      WPA *does* work on 802.11b, in fact there is no difference in security configurations between 802.11b,g and a.

      If your AP won't do WPA, you should replace it.

    7. Re:People still use WEP? by AusG4 · · Score: 1

      Well, you have to specifically enable WPA on the Airport Express/Extreme stations, but you can do so easily through the Airpot Admin Utility.

      That said, once you enable WPA you do indeed only enter one password and then the base station deals with key rotation from then on.

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    8. Re:People still use WEP? by lucas.clemente · · Score: 0

      Granted, I don't own a powerhouse computer company, but If I did, I'd make that a setting which is on by default. Thanks a ton! I'll check that it's on when I get home.

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  44. Here's the skinny on a good alternative... by ollyg · · Score: 1

    At the previous SANE conference (on Systems Administration) there was an excellent poster presentation titled "PPTP Must Die" by Jacco de Leeuw.

    The poster (and website below) explain what's wrong with PPTP, and present the alternative: L2TP/IPSec which is widely available. Having been implemented later than PPTP there are some holes in the specs, being filled by pseudo-standards for the time being.

    Jacco's site is here. HTH.

    regards, olly.
  45. Easy solution for everyone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why don't you all do what I did: wrap your house in tinfoil! That has the added benefit of letting you take your tinfoil hat off while you're inside. It's the ultimate in convenience and security! :-)

  46. Not going to affect me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I use IPSec with digital certificate authentication with 4096 RSA key that changes every 2 years along AES 256-bit key that is used as the session key that changes every 4 hours.

  47. Can something be done sort of like freenet? by Epistax · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You're given a key for your computer. This key is entered into a list of keys on the server. The server decrypts each incoming transmission with all valid keys to determine the source, and encrypts all outputted signals with their own keys for each client, and the encrypting and decrypting keys are different.

    So, for each client there are four keys. One to encrypt information sent from client to server (residing only on client), one to decrypt this information (residing only on server), one to encrypt information sent from server to client (only on server), one to decrypt information sent from client to server (only on client). Plus the server has its own internal key so that even if the encryption for two clients between two computers is identical, the decryption is different. Same for the client. Ok ok- 6 keys. ;)

    Ignoring the complication, overhead, and excess noise produced by this, wouldn't it be better than say... WEP? :P This would be something such as an office setting where the area is not very open. Your competitor has the office across the street and you're not allowed to throw rocks at them when they sniff the wireless anymore.

  48. Correction to submission by paranode · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just to clarify, it can crack the code in minutes or even seconds after you've already captured at least about a quarter of a million encrypted packets, maybe more. That will take longer than just a few minutes or seconds, most likely.

    1. Re:Correction to submission by fimbulvetr · · Score: 1

      For a home network with a WAP and one wireless device, it will probably take a while. However, a place using a few devices would yield those captures in a trivial amount of time.

    2. Re:Correction to submission by mossmann · · Score: 2, Informative

      By using reinjection techniques such as aireplay (part of the aircrack distribution), the time to collect a quarter of a million packets can be as little as a few minutes. I'll be discussing this in part two of the article.

    3. Re:Correction to submission by paranode · · Score: 1

      I look forward to reading it, thanks.

    4. Re:Correction to submission by BLKMGK · · Score: 1

      I look forward to your next article! sadly this is an area I've been VERY interested in in the past but have not been keeping up with. It seems that thnigs have changed a great deal while I wasn't paying attention with some very nice tools having come out. Has WPA also been found vulnerable? I dont see any mention in the current article about it but at the rate things are going nothing is safe :-) My AP doesn't spit many weak packets but it DOES spit some - looks like I'll be having some fun tonight!

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  49. You're right by paranode · · Score: 1

    It makes so much more sense for everyone to remember or write down a few 1024-bit key pairs instead of those silly 128-bit WEP keys. SSL and PGP are solutions to different problems.

  50. IPSec is a pair of MMC snap-ins in Windows 2K-XP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft outsourced their IPSec implementation to Cisco. You can fire up the MMC and load the IPSec protocol and policy management tools.

    Have Fun!

  51. This tool does by anti-NAT · · Score: 2, Informative

    I haven't looked at it for a while, I provided a few suggestions a while back. I thought it was a good idea. For non-authorised subnets, it sends bogus ARP replies, with bogus MAC addresses.

    ipsentinel

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  52. Interesting by paranode · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually this is an interesting point because you would almost certainly get pinned for not taking reasonable steps to prevent the person from growing pot in your basement. However, it's highly unlikely that anyone would expect you to take reasonable steps to prevent unauthorized access to your network if only for the simple fact that practically everyone is clueless when it comes to this stuff. It's a bit of a shame how that works, as far as liability goes.

    1. Re:Interesting by nickname225 · · Score: 1

      I don't think that you would be liable for failing to take reasonable steps to prevent someone from growing pot in your basement. I am a lawyer - but criminal law is not my area of specialty. I am fairly sure that criminal responsibility (as opposed to civil liability) would require either actual knowledge or "Willful Ignorance". The general rule is that you are not expected to foresee the criminal acts of others.

    2. Re:Interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good points, though I wonder if they would manage to stick you with some kind of fine at the very least.

    3. Re:Interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not with drug laws, even if you are unaware they hold you responsible and even if you had no way of knowing.

      which is another reason drug laws suck.

      normally you are correct.

  53. IPsec is great by prisoner · · Score: 2, Interesting

    it's the client software that's a pain. I use wolverine (linux based firewall) that has pptp and ipsec built in. The pptp connections are easy as windows has a client built in. I cannot, however, find a free client for windows on the ipsec side. Anyone know of one? Yeah, I'm cheap but it's for my home network.

    1. Re:IPsec is great by youngerpants · · Score: 1

      The Cisco VPN Client is what you rquire young padawan

    2. Re:IPsec is great by loyukfai · · Score: 2, Informative

      Win 2K/XP has IPSec support built-in, but it was a nightmare to configure (I persume it will be easier if you use L2TP/IPSec...?).

      But you can use the following utility, it's not as polished as those $80 clients but it does the job, it's basically a front-end to configure the IPSec for you based on a simpler config file:

      http://vpn.ebootis.de/

  54. Re:Feasibility of dictionary attacks no protocol f by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WPA allows offline attacks but it's my understanding that it takes some time to crack WPA? Now, my WPA key is temporary - changing every 60 minutes. Therefore, even an offline dictionary attack, which will almost certainly take longer than 60 minutes, is kind of useless??

    Am I correct on these assumptions? Anyone know for sure?

  55. LucidLink by djw_wireless · · Score: 1

    Personally, I use LucidLink software http://lucidlink.com/ to secure my wireless network. Not only does it autoconfigure my access points to set up WPA, it also implements RADIUS to authenticate users. Managing users on the network is a snap, as is setting everything up. LucidLink has also won WiFi Planet's best of show two years in a row and was just named CRN product of the year.

  56. Re:IPSec is a pair of MMC snap-ins in Windows 2K-X by jonwil · · Score: 1

    Is it something extra you have to pay for?
    Or does it come standard with the OS?
    Is there a reason why OS vendors (or more specifically those who write TCP/IP stacks/code) dont add IPSec and have it on by default?

    Is there action that has to be taken to use IPSec (e.g. obtaining certificates/keys or something) that prevents it from being "on by dfefault"?

  57. Use SSH Instead? by Filmwatcher888 · · Score: 1

    SSH is a lot easier to setup, and in its basic password-based form it's as secure as a VPN. It's pre-installed on most Linux systems, but you can always compile and set it up yourself. But if you're running Windows, you'll need to use the Cygwin version instead.

    1. Re:Use SSH Instead? by halfelven · · Score: 1

      But it's also a lot more limited.
      Have a look at OpenVPN. I did, and i never looked back.

    2. Re:Use SSH Instead? by da.phreak · · Score: 1

      If you mean the tunnel-functionality of ssh, it maybe is a bad idea.

      Have a look at this text written by Olaf Titz, the author of cipe: Why TCP Over TCP Is A Bad Idea.

      http://sites.inka.de/sites/bigred/devel/tcp-tcp.ht ml

  58. I brought the cheese ball...OOPS! by IronChefMorimoto · · Score: 1

    I saw the title -- WEP And PPTP Password Crackers Released -- and thought perhaps it was time to try out some new Christmas party tray snack crackers. Very geeky food.

    Alas, I shall have to return my Publix-brand caviar and this goose pate I bought frozen from SAM's Club. I'm keeping the cheese ball, though. And the cocktail weiners.

    IronChefMorimoto

  59. Re:Now who can we blame for downloading GB of stuf by bhima · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I was speaking to an American friend, who lives in Atlanta, recently. He was complaining about this very thing. He owns & manages a variety of types of property which he leases out to people who run bars, restaurants, small businesses, warehouses, and even churches. Occasionally, he has tenants 'disappear' and when he goes down to inspect the property he finds evidence of drug related activities (i.e. rows of HPS lighting, hydroponic setups, and my favorite: money counters). So generally to keep it of his back he reports it and has the police come in and take it all in as evidence. Recently, during one of these events the investigating officer arrested him using a little known local law (either Fulton or DeKalb county) which required the owner of the property to report any illegal activities taking place on their properties. The law is so grey that they make no attempt to deal with whether or not the property owner is knowledgeable or a participant. In effect they demand that all property owners become investigators / informants.

    Welcome to post 911 America

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  60. Best way to secure WiFi lans? by emil · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I was thinking of using Poptop over a Netgear WiFi router. This gives me pause.

    I am thinking that it may be better to simply leave the router wide open, then put only an OpenBSD system with routing disabled on the other side of the router.

    I'll allow only SSH into the OpenBSD system, then set up an HTTP proxy that only accepts connections from localhost. I'll then use PUTTY port forwarding on the clients, then proxy off localhost port 80.

    IPSEC looks like the only other option, and it looks a lot harder.

    1. Re:Best way to secure WiFi lans? by John+Courtland · · Score: 1

      IPSec is the way to go for easily setting up VPN clients to access a wireless network (or any network, really). The initial IPSec server setup is difficult, to be sure, but then you have a portable setup that you could even use Windows or Mac OS X on. Setting up SSH tunnels is a pain in the ass for each client.

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    2. Re:Best way to secure WiFi lans? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem with IPSec is what happens if the user needs to IPSec into their corporate LAN? They already have to IPSec into the ISP just to gain access to the network.

      Mmmm.. IPSec inside IPSec.. Mmmm.. b0rk...

    3. Re:Best way to secure WiFi lans? by halfelven · · Score: 1

      IPSec is not the way to go, not for a small setup. I've been there, done that. It sucks. Overdesigned piece of crap.
      Since i started to use OpenVPN, i never looked back. All the features of an IPSec VPN, but none of the hassles.

    4. Re:Best way to secure WiFi lans? by wfeick · · Score: 1

      I'll second that recommendation. I've been using openvpn to secure both work and personal wireless networks, as well as to allow remote access. It's not very difficult to set up, particularly now that 2.0 allows the server to listen on a single port.

  61. OpenVPN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use it to secure my wireless link. It's in active development, makes extensive use of the OpenSSL library for authentication and encryption operations, offers pre-shared private key, certificates, and PAM based authentication. It's really worth it.

    http://openvpn.sourceforge.net

    1. Re:OpenVPN by asdfghjklqwertyuiop · · Score: 1

      OpenVPN is great. It is my favorite VPN mechanism. It is simple and secure. Those two go hand in hand.

    2. Re:OpenVPN by the_maddman · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I will second the recommendation to OpenVPN.

      Me and a friend setup an IPSec tunnel between our linux boxes and started playing with it. The routing setup was a nightmare, and to get server to server, server to client and client to client traffic flowing you need multiple traffic filters installed. And the latency of the connection sucked, no playing Diablo 2 over that.

      OpenVPN is a breeze compared to all that, you get a tunX device on each box, and as long as you setup your routes using "ip route add (remote net) gw (remote tun) src (your servers eth IP)" even server to server traffic comes from the right netblock so your firewall rules stay sane. And best of all, we dropped from 160ms ping times to 60ms, just by switching from FreeSWAN to OpenVPN.

    3. Re:OpenVPN by Linker3000 · · Score: 1

      Thanks for this - I was just about to dive into the world of IPSec between 24 broadband-connected sites but I'm rethinking the whole plan right now.

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    4. Re:OpenVPN by BaconLT · · Score: 1
      Your solution seems like a good one.

      I am trynig to set up a wireless solution for a high school and my supervisor is very concerned about unmonitored student use of the network. Your solution effectively controls access through a pipe to the Internet and the rest of the network. How can we prevent individuals from setting up their own local wireless network using our wireless access point?

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  62. You're all forgetting... by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    In the land of the unsecured, the WEP-ecured man is king.

    The point is that I don't have to be totally secure, just more secure than my neighbors. Unless I am specifically targeted by some scoflaw, there are a lot easier access points to get to in my neighborhood for general malfeasance.

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    1. Re:You're all forgetting... by ogewo · · Score: 1

      Or you could be considered a better target than your neighbors. One would reason that someone who went through the trouble of attempting to secure his network is more likely to have something of value he's trying to protect. If you could have the contents of either one, do you go for the guy carrying the leather briefcase, or the guy with the metal one handcuffed to his wrist?

  63. I hear that IPSec is torture by emil · · Score: 1

    And there are no free win32 clients.

    1. Re:I hear that IPSec is torture by John+Courtland · · Score: 1

      WinXP has built in IPSec VPN compatibility. I'm pretty sure Win2k does too, but I know Win98 doesn't.

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    2. Re:I hear that IPSec is torture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also Putty if grandparent was talking on ssh.

      I couldn't tell.

  64. Doubling up on types of security is the answer by Deviant · · Score: 1

    On top of running your WEP encryption with a non-dictionary randomly generated key you should also be running a VPN through that and treating it as a insecure public connection. You might even want to make sure your interactions through sensitive material then be done with SSH/SecureFTP, or RSA for web pages, through the encypted tunnel through the encrypted wireless link. Of course, this is for anything sensitive like server administration or sensitive data transmission and might be overkill for some situations. But, if you don't go to these lengths, you shouldn't be sending data over wireless that you wouldn't want to get out.

  65. Re:Feasibility of dictionary attacks no protocol f by amorsen · · Score: 1

    You can do offline attacks on the shared private key with WPA-PSK, if you just sniff the key exchange. I would be surprised if you change your shared private key every 60 minutes. That would be an awful lot of work.

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  66. So what IS good? by supabeast! · · Score: 1

    Would someone with a clue mind pointing out a decent access point running WAP that can keep me covered for another year? Because when I look around, I usually end up with the following dilemma:

    - If it runs WAP, it's probably been rushed to market and has plenty of serious security issues that will give up my keys, admin access, whatever, making the whole thing a moot point.
    - If it's been on the market long enough that I can fix the really heinous flaws with firmware updates, it runs WEP.

    1. Re:So what IS good? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linksys WRT54GS

      Solid manufacturer support & strong community support.

  67. You only have to outrun the other guy... by tc · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Two guys are out camping, when one night an angry bear starts trying to get into their tent. The first man quickly grabs his sneakers and starts lacing them up. The second man says "what the hell are you doing? You'll never outrun the bear!", to which the first replies "I don't have to outrun the bear, I just have to outrun you".

    The moral of this story is that your security doesn't need to be perfect, it just needs to be 'good enough', and in this case 'good enough' is probably merely 'better than the muppet next door who hasn't secured their network at all'.

    I use WEP to secure my wireless LAN. Does it bother me that it's possible to crack? Not really, because there are at least 2 other networks in my apartment building (with SSIDs of 'linksys' and 'default') which don't appear to have any kind of security at all. Which means that someone casually looking for a free connection is going to use them, not me. If someone really wants to compromise my network specifically, and has the time and skill to do so, well, then I have bigger problems...

    1. Re:You only have to outrun the other guy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, the cracker who is trying to get into your neighborhood's wireless access point is going to try WAP #1 and see how difficult it is to break into, and then try WAP #2 and see how difficult it is to get into, and so on. The problem with that is that if he gets into WAP #1 at all he doesn't need to try WAP #2, even if WAP #2 is easier to crack.

      The other side to the question is that after harvesting all the credit card numbers (or whatever he's after) from WAP #1, why wouldn't he move on to WAP #2 anyway, to get more goodies?

    2. Re:You only have to outrun the other guy... by tc · · Score: 1

      But it doesn't work like that. The attacker looks at all the SSID's being broadcast. In the first place, I don't broadcast my SSID. In the second place, even if I did, don't you think the attacker is going to guess that "default" or "linksys" might be easier targets and try those first?

  68. Re:Feasibility of dictionary attacks no protocol f by caseih · · Score: 1

    No, WPA does not necessarily allow online attacks. Cisco's LEAP authentication for WPA does, but everyone else seems to be moving (and Cisco supports this also) to PEAP authentication, which is MS-CHAPv2, but wrapped in an SSL-encrypted session. So offline dictionary attacks are much, much more difficult since the SSL session uses a new key every authentication attempt.

  69. just turn it off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a wireless network in my place. About 5 months ago, out of paranoia I turned the wireless networking off and unplugged the wireless bridge. Calmly, I used the old trusty rj45 jacks and a 20 foot long ethernet cable. Wireless is slow anyways.

    Turns out air, plastic shielding and copper wire has security benefits I couldn't of fathomed.

    I'm surprised why many public companies have internet connections anyways. Only a small subset of employees really need it. That is, the people who need to contact the outside. Departments would be sales, marketing and executives. Nobody else should be on the internet. And ban those flash usb devices as-well.

    Make you wonder about all these wireless phones we use... the phone in the bat cave is more secure by todays standards.

  70. Trying to compile asleap by numbski · · Score: 1
    localhost:local/src/asleap] numbski% make
    cc -pipe -Wall -D_LINUX -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -O4 -D_OPENSSL_MD4 -g3 -ggdb -c -o sha1.o sha1.c
    sha1.c:22:20: endian.h: No such file or directory
    make: *** [sha1.o] Error 1
    Someone with a bit more programming background help me out here. I'm trying to build on MacOS X.
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    1. Re:Trying to compile asleap by chuckfucter · · Score: 1

      are you joking???? you are missing files obviuosly

    2. Re:Trying to compile asleap by numbski · · Score: 1
      Uh...no joking? Seriously, take a look at what I've done. What do you think I did wrong?
      localhost:/usr/local/src root# tar xvf sleap-1.4.tar

      *lots of untarring*

      localhost:/usr/local/src/asleap root# ls
      COPYING THANKS asleap.c genkeys.c sha1.h
      CVS TODO asleap.h makefile.cygwin utils.c
      FEATURES airjack.h common.c md4 utils.h
      INSTALL ajinject.c common.h md4.c version.h
      Makefile ajinject.h cygwin md4.h
      README apeek.c data scripts
      README.WIN32 apeek.h format.vim sha1.c
      localhost:/usr/local/src root# cd asleap

      localhost:/usr/local/src/asleap root# cat INSTALL

      INSTALLATION

      Simply running "make" will compile the genkeys and asleap tools. If you want to
      actively deauthenticate users on wireless networks, you will need the AirJack
      drivers from http://802.11ninja.net/. Reading from a live interface or from a
      capture file requires the interface/capture to be in RFMON mode
      (DLT_IEEE802_11). You can also supply an AiroPeek NX capture file if you have
      that tool available (just pass the filename to asleap with the "-r" flag).

      QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS

      Please contact jwright@hasborg.com with any questions, comments on concerns.
      My PGP key is located at http://home.jwu.edu/jwright/pgpkey.htm.

      localho st:/usr/local/src/asleap root# make
      cc -pipe -Wall -D_LINUX -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -O4 -D_OPENSSL_MD4 -g3 -ggdb -c -o sha1.o sha1.c
      sha1.c:22:20: endian.h: No such file or directory
      make: *** [sha1.o] Error 1
      From the looks of it, endian.h isn't being built (I think?). I don't think that warrants a "are you joking????" response. :P
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    3. Re:Trying to compile asleap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      uh yeah, you're missing endian.h which does not ship with asleap. doh.

      endian.h ships with the GNU c library, which it appears you are missing.

      Have you tried installing the GNU c dev library/includes files etc?

    4. Re:Trying to compile asleap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Asleap was developed on a Linux system. Unfortunately, the author doesn't have access to a Mac OS X machine to test the build in that environment. Sorry.

    5. Re:Trying to compile asleap by pilotron · · Score: 1

      I'm getting a similar make error.

      cc -pipe -Wall -D_LINUX -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -O4 -D_OPENSSL_MD4 -g3 -ggdb -c -o common.o common.c
      common.c:32:25: openssl/md4.h: No such file or directory
      common.c: In function `NtPasswordHash':
      common.c:129: warning: implicit declaration of function `MD4'
      make: *** [common.o] Error 1 ...i'm pretty new at linux and i'm running Suse 9.1. any suggestions are appreciated!
      cheers

    6. Re:Trying to compile asleap by Graymalkin · · Score: 1

      You did install the Developer Tools right? DT installs the GNU C libraries of which endian.h is a part.

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    7. Re:Trying to compile asleap by numbski · · Score: 1

      Of course. That's what has me puzzled. I guess I could try re-loading them, but I've been using Fink for some time now, which requires the dev tools.

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    8. Re:Trying to compile asleap by Graymalkin · · Score: 1

      You might need to run make configure to set up header and file locations then.

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  71. Re:Now who can we blame for downloading GB of stuf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Welcome to post 911 America

    So was this law passed after 9/11? Or is that your catchy phrase that you use to try getting your point across?

    Welcome to /.

  72. OpenVPN by halfelven · · Score: 4, Informative

    By far the best way to accomplish that is by using OpenVPN.
    I tried everything, IPSec, SSH tunneling, you name it. They all suck. SSH is, let's face it, limited. IPSec is cumbersome, not exactly friendly to all operating systems, doesn't play well with NAT (unless you use UDP encapsulation), etc. It is glaringly obvious that it's a severely overdesigned protocol.

    Enter OpenVPN. It uses SSL for encryption, but it's not a SSL-based pseudo-VPN, but a true VPN - it can forward any IP protocol. Think of it as having the functionality of IPSec, but using a simpler and more sensible implementation.
    It's cross-platform (Linux, Windows, Solaris... you name it). It's simple to install and configure (same software can be either server or client and the config file semantics are similar). It's secure (it can use signed certificates, passwords, any authentication mechanism you like). It can compress the traffic on the fly (using LZO which is pretty damn fast and low-overhead). If you use TCP transport instead of UDP, it can tunnel through ordinary HTTP proxies. It has dummy-friendly GUI for Windows. It slices, it dices and it makes coffee... oh, well, maybe not that.

    Anyway, i'm running an OpenVPN server on my home firewall, and i put OpenVPN on all my computers (my workstation at the office, my laptop, etc.). Wherever i go, i just fire up OpenVPN and "i'm home".
    I run IMAP through it, so my IMAP clients (Evolution), no matter where they are, they "see" the same IMAP servers and folders. That is awesome - different systems, yet my mail looks the same. And it's also secure. ;-)

    My wireless access point has no security whatsoever: no encryption, no MAC filtering, no SSID cloaking... it even gives you a DHCP address. :-) However, it's behind a totally restrictive firewall. The only way to work around that is to open an OpenVPN tunnel. Then you can do pretty much anything, through the tunnel, of course.

    It rocks!

  73. WPA-PSK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is WPA-PSK better than WEP? Is it secure enough? I am using a D-Link DWL-G700AP at 12.5% power, disabled SSID broadcast, enabled MAC filter, G mode, and short preamble (because I have many 2.4gHz phones). The DWL-G700AP is hooked up to an old netgear RT314 router. I will probably upgrade that router soon since it doesn't do SPI.

  74. Re:Security is an illusion ... WRONG by ikeleib · · Score: 1

    Any encryption can be broken - given enough resources ...

    This is false. A correct one-time pad can never be broken.

  75. Re:Feasibility of dictionary attacks no protocol f by amorsen · · Score: 1

    WPA-PEAP requires a Radius-server, right? I'm concerned about WPA-PSK; once Radius is in the picture you can do proper one-time passwords if you want.

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  76. IPSec sucks by halfelven · · Score: 1

    IPSec sucks. Overdesigned protocol that simply gives you too much rope to not be tempted to hang yourself, too many "slightly different" implementations that are actually different enough to not interoperate, a big pain in the ass to configure correctly, no good AND free clients (especially GUI ones) for popular OSes, etc.

    Have a look at OpenVPN. After i tried it, i swore i'll never get back to IPSec.

  77. IPsec is not great by halfelven · · Score: 1

    That, and many others, were the issues that i noticed while wrestling with IPSec.
    I mean, IPSec is nice and all, if you're a medium-to-large company that just goes ahead and buys a full solution from vendor XYZ. But it's a big pain in the butt for everyone else.
    At some point, i discovered OpenVPN and i got hooked immediately. Clients and servers for all major operating systems (the same software can be either client or software, just flip a config bit), nice GUI for Windows, compression, rock-solid encryption, reliability, simplicity of installation and configuration...
    I'll never use IPsec again, unless i'm doing a corporate-scale deployment. And, who knows, maybe "enterprise" solutions based on OpenVPN will become available at some point.

  78. Just remember by sadiklis · · Score: 1

    WEP can be sWEPt away in a second.

  79. Re:Now who can we blame for downloading GB of stuf by jonnykelly · · Score: 1

    This in fact is not a 'new' or 'post 9/11' development. Landlords accross the country have been held responsible for the goings-on in their properties for years.

  80. Q: So which security method should I use? by Salamanders · · Score: 1

    Happy owner of a brand new Linksys wireless router. It gives the options of WPA-Pre shared(TKIP or AES), WPA-Radius, Radius, and WEP(64 or 128).

    So which is good for now? Linksys help isn't very definitivie, and googling turns up a mishmash.

  81. make trouble by pilotron · · Score: 1
    i'm have a bit of trouble compiling the source. i'm pretty new to linux and i'm running Suse 9.1. this is the message i get when i run 'make'



    cc -pipe -Wall -D_LINUX -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -O4 -D_OPENSSL_MD4 -g3 -ggdb -c -o common.o common.c
    common.c:32:25: openssl/md4.h: No such file or directory
    common.c: In function `NtPasswordHash':
    common.c:129: warning: implicit declaration of function `MD4'
    make: *** [common.o] Error 1

    any help is appreciated! cheers

  82. Treat it like any other vulnerability by Sierpinski · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just like you shouldn't say (or even dial) credit card numbers, bank account numbers, etc. over a cordless phone (My baby monitor has picked up dozens of conversations over the last couple years), users just should probably refrain from doing any big time financial or otherwise confidential "conversing" with a computer and WiFi.

    Get an "open" hotspot, check the weather, check the game scores, but maybe you should leave the stock selling and the 401k reorganization until you get home.

  83. Ways to cause trouble for hotspot owner. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) Threaten the President of the United States
    2) Download kiddie porn.
    3) View terrorist sites.
    4) Buy things at online vendors with stolen credit cards.

    Do all these, and you can gurantee legal misery for the person who left his hotspot unprotected!

  84. Its an external link. Treat it as such. by RhettLivingston · · Score: 1

    Face it, WiFi is an externally exposed link. If you've enabled it and you're not requiring a VPN, you might as well run some 100BaseT lines out to the poles in your parking lot too.

    Put all of your radios on a private LAN that only has radios. Run that LAN into an extra card on a Linux machine. Close all of the ports on that card other than your favorite VPN's ports. Require all connecting clients to use the VPN. Problem solved.

  85. Re:But nobody can crack my Slashdot password by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    are you staying there all week?

  86. Problems with Compilation by c14ksd · · Score: 1

    guys please help when i compile the program the following error shows...

    root@chimera:~/Desktop/asleap# make
    cc -pipe -Wall -D_LINUX -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -O4 -D_OPENSSL_MD4 -g3 -ggdb -c -o apeek.o apeek.c
    apeek.c: In function `test_filetype':
    apeek.c:124: error: `DLT_TZSP' undeclared (first use in this function)
    apeek.c:124: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
    apeek.c:124: error: for each function it appears in.)
    make: *** [apeek.o] Error 1

    i am with Slack linx...