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Re:Why isn't there a REAL economy in these games?
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Does your stats go away at those down times? If not, I don't see why the vendors should have their inventory and prices reset - IF a real supply and demand economy model is implemented.
It's not THAT big a storage requirement to set it up.
Let's see... what do we need to know about a vendor and his supply and his demands.
1) How much does he have in stock now? 2) How much can he sell over a given time period (say a month) per default? 3) How much has he been able to sell over a given time period (roughly)? 4) How much money does he have available RIGHT NOW? 5) How much of that money (percentage wise) does he want to spend on buying things in a given time period? 6) How should his prices fluctuate depending on his supply and demands?
See... fairly simple. I'm not a game programmer or a game designer. I'm not an economy major or anything like that, but it's still fairly simple. Using stats like those you could probably incorporate a fairly accurate supply and demand model, that would persist even over the course of server patches.
IF the "powers that be" have any actual interest in making things slightly realistic.
Incorporating something like this will enable people to become more interested in finding profitable trade routes, that are fairly stable. If you flood a market constantly, you will probably attract robbers, that know that you will be carrying around a lot of money, and you won't get as much money for your goods.
Hell - selling very rare items to a vendor might become a problem... where the hell is a smith from a poor village supposed to get 200,000 platinum pieces? And even if another vendor has that kind of money, what are his chances of selling it again? If he can't sell it, he's just thrown 200,000 platinum pieces down the drain, which (in any economy) is just plain stupid.
Well, not quite, but still close enough to qualify I think.
What I wrote (try to/. Google Groups:-p) was an idea of how to be able to use any computer to interface with any other computer (adhering to my ideas), without having to change your habbits with regards to Window Managers, shortcuts, mouse gestures and so on, wether the computer is running Mac OS X, Windows 3.1, BeOS or if its a CLI only. If correctly implementet, using Wordperfect shortcuts in VI on a system, you've never accesed before should be possible to the extent that VI supports the features, you're trying to access. Heck - if you were patient enough to set it up, you should be able to replace your entire keyboard with a mouse and use gestures for everything including typing. Weird, but possible.
I know it's a brilliant idea, because the thread on Usenet has total of 8 posts, 1 of which is asking if comp.human-factors is the right group, 2 telling me that it is, 1 is the abstract and four are replys relevant to the abstract.
Can't beat that kind of feedback, can you?
Why isn't there a REAL economy in these games?
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As far as I can tell from reading this, it seems every platinum farmer is flooding a vendor with goods, all sold at the same price. Why is that possible?
Why don't the game developers put in an economy model, that works on supply and demand. If you sell 200.000 arrows to a vendor, that only sells 10.000 arrows a year, why the fuck should he pay you full price for the arrows?
It can't be THAT hard to build some kind of simple supply and demand model into a game.
Think about it for a moment; there are only two words you need to mention, to show the bias in the media: "fucking" and "farting".
You can have a fuck-specialist on the news, who's just written a book about how to fuck, who to fuck, how to feel after you fucked and who you should fuck next. You just don't call it fucking. Hell, look at day-time TV. You know that in that soap-opera you enjoy, all it really revolves around, is did he fuck her, has he fucked her, who else did he fuck, did she fuck someone else and what the fuck is going on.
But - when was the last time you saw ANYONE even talk about farting? You've never had anyone on the Late Show who's just written a book about how to fart, who to fart at, how to feel after you farted and who you should fart at next.
Farting is WORSE than fucking! Think about that for a while.
Just use a blow-dryer. It might not be labled as "The Electric Penis Dryer", but it works. Just keep it a a safe distance, and at a low setting. Trust me on that one, and you don't want to know.
one of my favorite passwords (well, passphrase is more like it) is a variant of this one:
This is a very long password, that is easy to remember and almost impossible to brute force, because it is too long and contains 200 characters, so you can just eat shit stupid fuckhead administrator!
You could even change it a bit, and make it provokative:
My password is a very long password, that is easy to remember and almost impossible to brute force, because it is too long and contains 201 characters, so you can just eat shit stupid fuckhead bastard!
It's always fun to recite that password to anyone who asks:-)
Okay, so it's not the easiest password to enter, but it's rather effective, and (I would almost bet) it is impossible to bruteforce it with a simple keygen... hehe
Being engineers, they understand the need for ACCURATE and COMPLETE blueprints, before you as much as lay the first brick. Which is more or less what they told me quite early on in the process.
I think working in a company where they are from a culture that are proponents of blueprints is a VERY BIG advantage compared to the regular IT industry.
And yes - it is apparantly as common as you feel; at least that's the concensus from the people I graduated with - and that TRUELY sucks.
I'm considdering starting an OSS group called "The Lazy Procrastinators - too lazy not to design!"
Unfortunatly I'm too lazy and unmotivated to actually get it up and running. But hey... I'll do it tomorrow.
Arguably, a majority of the time is spent in debugging and support.
Well, on basically all the projects I've worked on, where design has come first, second and third, we've had to spend maybe 1 or 2 percent of the time on debugging, simply because we've removed 99% of the bugs before the program left the drawingboard so to speak. Yes - support and Q&A weigh in as well, but most of the support is for bugs in the software (wether they're code bugs or inconsistencies in the UI), and that's not a whole lot of support.
If done properly, it is possible to spend 85% of the time designing the stuff, 14% on testing it, 5% on coding it and 1% on support. At least in my experience, but then again, I've never really worked on huge projects with idiots running the sub-projects and thus screwing things up.
So, for the sake of the children, in this post Columbine and September 11 world, you need to give up some of your freedoms for the sake of the illusion of freedom, provided by Cowboy Neal - The King of Funk!
I hope they improve that function. It's no fun blocking "images.site.tld" when all the images for the site comes from that domain, but all adds comes from "images.site.tld/adds".
That actually depends on where this guy is from. If he's from the US, then you're probably right. If he's from Denmark, he could have gone to the library, hauled cd's home by the truckload, ripped them and he'd still be on the right side of the law, as long as he doesn't let anyone borrow his copies.
You had to convert kilograms into pounds to figure out how many tons it weighed? Here's a hint: 1 ton is 1,000 kilogram. It's a lot faster to calculate that way.
I'm not sure, if the tender documents stated "we want a groupware sollution for linux running kde" or just "we want an open source groupware sollution", but I'm guessing it's the latter.
It just seems to me, like you're tying yourself into a different OS platform (at least at first), and then also into a specific WM.
It's too late (and it would be stupid) to change the platform specifications for the project, but since they plan not only to publish all their design documents as well as source code, "you" could implement in on another software platform.
Personally I'm a java developer (who happens to program as well), so obviously that's what I'm thinking, as it will not be nesscesary to port any applications to another OS, if you don't want to use Linux for whatever reasons - all you'd need is a runtime environment (NOT MS'!!!) and you'd be set to go. With "a bit" of fiddeling you could also make a midlet application for your mobile appliances like cell phones and pdas.
The biggest problem in making it in java, as I see it, is that while the kroupware developers have (wisely) chosen to tie a bunch of existing applications together and add some functionality, there's not really a way to do that in java, as there aren't any applications for that.
BUT - wouldn't this be a "perfect" application to prove javas usefullness - both on the server side (Exchange replacement) but also on the client side (Outlook replacement)?
Personally I've chosen to stay away from OSS projects for one very important reason - almost no one is interested in actually developing and designing the programs - they just want to get down to the programming, and to me that's just plain stupid. You can do that with small programs, just like you can build a shed without any kind of blueprint, but when was the last time you built a sky scraper without a blueprint?
I guess what I'm saying is, that if some of you people out there, are interested in actually _developing_ this kind of program for java, I'd be willing to help with the project. Hell - I'd even be willing to be in charge of it - as long as the team is made up of DESIGNERS.
I'm lazy. REALLY lazy. I just got back from a 2 km walk(!), and my t-shirt is almost soaking! I'm 192 cm tall and weigh in at around 85 kg. I've ALWAYS been thin. My brothers eat less than me (both in the way of mass and kcal/kjoule), do more demanding physical labor, whereas I work as a developer/programmer sitting at my desk 7½ hours a day. Despite of this, they're obese (~180 and 185 cm, and 125 and 120 kg respectively) and I'm the skinny guy. The younger of the two resently lost 20 kg by way of a strict diet and more exercise. He's now stuck at ~120 kg, and has been so for the last couple of months, despite sticking to his diet and exercise.
Don't tell ME, that it's all from lazyness. Some people are geneticly prone to being fat, while others like me are prone to being skinny. I want to loose a couple of kilos, because I don't like the love handles I'm starting to get, and I don't like the fact, that I have ~1 cm of fat covering my breast muscle. I CAN loose that weight - my brothers can't.
Finally: if the next time you go to a restraunt they give you a bigger portion than the last time DON'T EAT IT ALL!!!!!
Doesn't help. Like I said, I eat more than they do. At one point, I actually ate more than both of them, when they were both on a diet.
For some people, it's their life that causes their obesity, for other people it's their genes. Kinda like intelligence - some have it, some don't.
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Hell, I've never attended university, but I can God damn jolly well tell you that I've had teachers older than that!
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Step 4: Profit!
... it still works :-)
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Step 1: Pollute the world,
Step 2: Melt the glazier on Kilimanjaro.
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit!
Does your stats go away at those down times? If not, I don't see why the vendors should have their inventory and prices reset - IF a real supply and demand economy model is implemented.
... what do we need to know about a vendor and his supply and his demands.
... fairly simple. I'm not a game programmer or a game designer. I'm not an economy major or anything like that, but it's still fairly simple. Using stats like those you could probably incorporate a fairly accurate supply and demand model, that would persist even over the course of server patches.
... where the hell is a smith from a poor village supposed to get 200,000 platinum pieces? And even if another vendor has that kind of money, what are his chances of selling it again? If he can't sell it, he's just thrown 200,000 platinum pieces down the drain, which (in any economy) is just plain stupid.
It's not THAT big a storage requirement to set it up.
Let's see
1) How much does he have in stock now?
2) How much can he sell over a given time period (say a month) per default?
3) How much has he been able to sell over a given time period (roughly)?
4) How much money does he have available RIGHT NOW?
5) How much of that money (percentage wise) does he want to spend on buying things in a given time period?
6) How should his prices fluctuate depending on his supply and demands?
See
IF the "powers that be" have any actual interest in making things slightly realistic.
Incorporating something like this will enable people to become more interested in finding profitable trade routes, that are fairly stable. If you flood a market constantly, you will probably attract robbers, that know that you will be carrying around a lot of money, and you won't get as much money for your goods.
Hell - selling very rare items to a vendor might become a problem
Well, not quite, but still close enough to qualify I think.
/. Google Groups :-p) was an idea of how to be able to use any computer to interface with any other computer (adhering to my ideas), without having to change your habbits with regards to Window Managers, shortcuts, mouse gestures and so on, wether the computer is running Mac OS X, Windows 3.1, BeOS or if its a CLI only. If correctly implementet, using Wordperfect shortcuts in VI on a system, you've never accesed before should be possible to the extent that VI supports the features, you're trying to access. Heck - if you were patient enough to set it up, you should be able to replace your entire keyboard with a mouse and use gestures for everything including typing. Weird, but possible.
What I wrote (try to
I know it's a brilliant idea, because the thread on Usenet has total of 8 posts, 1 of which is asking if comp.human-factors is the right group, 2 telling me that it is, 1 is the abstract and four are replys relevant to the abstract.
Can't beat that kind of feedback, can you?
As far as I can tell from reading this, it seems every platinum farmer is flooding a vendor with goods, all sold at the same price. Why is that possible?
Why don't the game developers put in an economy model, that works on supply and demand. If you sell 200.000 arrows to a vendor, that only sells 10.000 arrows a year, why the fuck should he pay you full price for the arrows?
It can't be THAT hard to build some kind of simple supply and demand model into a game.
profit!
Well, during unprotected anal sex, if she farts, when he comes, that might just produce a mess you don't even want to think about ...
Actually it's worse that you think.
Think about it for a moment; there are only two words you need to mention, to show the bias in the media: "fucking" and "farting".
You can have a fuck-specialist on the news, who's just written a book about how to fuck, who to fuck, how to feel after you fucked and who you should fuck next. You just don't call it fucking. Hell, look at day-time TV. You know that in that soap-opera you enjoy, all it really revolves around, is did he fuck her, has he fucked her, who else did he fuck, did she fuck someone else and what the fuck is going on.
But - when was the last time you saw ANYONE even talk about farting? You've never had anyone on the Late Show who's just written a book about how to fart, who to fart at, how to feel after you farted and who you should fart at next.
Farting is WORSE than fucking! Think about that for a while.
(With apologies to George Carlin).
It's my my back ya...
--carrier lost.
Just use a blow-dryer. It might not be labled as "The Electric Penis Dryer", but it works. Just keep it a a safe distance, and at a low setting. Trust me on that one, and you don't want to know.
one of my favorite passwords (well, passphrase is more like it) is a variant of this one:
:-)
... hehe
This is a very long password, that is easy to remember and almost impossible to brute force, because it is too long and contains 200 characters, so you can just eat shit stupid fuckhead administrator!
You could even change it a bit, and make it provokative:
My password is a very long password, that is easy to remember and almost impossible to brute force, because it is too long and contains 201 characters, so you can just eat shit stupid fuckhead bastard!
It's always fun to recite that password to anyone who asks
Okay, so it's not the easiest password to enter, but it's rather effective, and (I would almost bet) it is impossible to bruteforce it with a simple keygen
Alright - send me an email (hektor clanekg dk). I'll add you to the list of willing subj^hsla^hvic^hvolounteers.
Being engineers, they understand the need for ACCURATE and COMPLETE blueprints, before you as much as lay the first brick. Which is more or less what they told me quite early on in the process.
... I'll do it tomorrow.
I think working in a company where they are from a culture that are proponents of blueprints is a VERY BIG advantage compared to the regular IT industry.
And yes - it is apparantly as common as you feel; at least that's the concensus from the people I graduated with - and that TRUELY sucks.
I'm considdering starting an OSS group called "The Lazy Procrastinators - too lazy not to design!"
Unfortunatly I'm too lazy and unmotivated to actually get it up and running. But hey
If done properly, it is possible to spend 85% of the time designing the stuff, 14% on testing it, 5% on coding it and 1% on support. At least in my experience, but then again, I've never really worked on huge projects with idiots running the sub-projects and thus screwing things up.
Maybe not. But you might be.
So, for the sake of the children, in this post Columbine and September 11 world, you need to give up some of your freedoms for the sake of the illusion of freedom, provided by Cowboy Neal - The King of Funk!
I hope they improve that function. It's no fun blocking "images.site.tld" when all the images for the site comes from that domain, but all adds comes from "images.site.tld/adds".
That actually depends on where this guy is from. If he's from the US, then you're probably right. If he's from Denmark, he could have gone to the library, hauled cd's home by the truckload, ripped them and he'd still be on the right side of the law, as long as he doesn't let anyone borrow his copies.
You had to convert kilograms into pounds to figure out how many tons it weighed? Here's a hint: 1 ton is 1,000 kilogram. It's a lot faster to calculate that way.
If I decide to go drag racing in my brand new Cobra 2003 and total it, is it the fault of the manufacturer or the fault of me?
What if I don't have a drivers license?
Why the fuck should YOU care, if I fubar any of my own stuff? As long as I don't hurt anyone - who the fuck cares?
I'm not sure, if the tender documents stated "we want a groupware sollution for linux running kde" or just "we want an open source groupware sollution", but I'm guessing it's the latter.
It just seems to me, like you're tying yourself into a different OS platform (at least at first), and then also into a specific WM.
It's too late (and it would be stupid) to change the platform specifications for the project, but since they plan not only to publish all their design documents as well as source code, "you" could implement in on another software platform.
Personally I'm a java developer (who happens to program as well), so obviously that's what I'm thinking, as it will not be nesscesary to port any applications to another OS, if you don't want to use Linux for whatever reasons - all you'd need is a runtime environment (NOT MS'!!!) and you'd be set to go. With "a bit" of fiddeling you could also make a midlet application for your mobile appliances like cell phones and pdas.
The biggest problem in making it in java, as I see it, is that while the kroupware developers have (wisely) chosen to tie a bunch of existing applications together and add some functionality, there's not really a way to do that in java, as there aren't any applications for that.
BUT - wouldn't this be a "perfect" application to prove javas usefullness - both on the server side (Exchange replacement) but also on the client side (Outlook replacement)?
Personally I've chosen to stay away from OSS projects for one very important reason - almost no one is interested in actually developing and designing the programs - they just want to get down to the programming, and to me that's just plain stupid. You can do that with small programs, just like you can build a shed without any kind of blueprint, but when was the last time you built a sky scraper without a blueprint?
I guess what I'm saying is, that if some of you people out there, are interested in actually _developing_ this kind of program for java, I'd be willing to help with the project. Hell - I'd even be willing to be in charge of it - as long as the team is made up of DESIGNERS.
Anyway - any takers?
Who do I have to beat up with a light saber to get it to Europe (Denmark)?
Uhm ... LOL!
Hvad skal jeg sige? Boller fra Kohberg!
Don't tell ME, that it's all from lazyness. Some people are geneticly prone to being fat, while others like me are prone to being skinny. I want to loose a couple of kilos, because I don't like the love handles I'm starting to get, and I don't like the fact, that I have ~1 cm of fat covering my breast muscle. I CAN loose that weight - my brothers can't.
Doesn't help. Like I said, I eat more than they do. At one point, I actually ate more than both of them, when they were both on a diet.
For some people, it's their life that causes their obesity, for other people it's their genes. Kinda like intelligence - some have it, some don't.