One of the major roadblocks for Unix was the lack of one single standardized platform for applications.
Yeah, right! And them M$ OSes. Sooo consitent. I mean really. All one platform. Those new ones every odd year and those updates really support downward compatability and all that. Check out the major desktop app of them, M$ Office. Sooo standardized and compatible it's a bliss. And the usabilty. And look at the GUIs look and feel! All the way from Win3.1 up to XP they just changed the colordepth. Absolutely. Apple on the other hand failed completely with consitency and a standard plattform. I mean those numders (7,8,9) where changing faster than one could watch. Yeah. It's all true. Go check. And that new Aqua. So confusing. All new and blue. Makes you all hazy in the head. Really. Try it, you'll hate it. And Java won't run at all. And won't look standard either. And 'Swing Metal' is *sooo* sweet. No, those Apple people, they *really* messed up. No wonder. They switched to Unix. Poor them.
BTW: The *only* reason I put up with learning Linux is that I'll never again have to learn an OS. Never again. Think about that for a minute. Debian may be tough, but the knowlege I build now I'll be able to use until I die. That will *never* be the case with M$. They earn money by changin their OSes. Yepp, thats what they do. AmiPro 3.1 was more that enough for my Wordprocessing needs. Then I got myself SmartSuite (Win95), which was nice too. Now I'm fed up for good. After I had DOS/Win3.1 and switched to Win95 (as late as possible) and Win2k showing up at the horizon I've had enough. I switched to an OSS OS and I've never looked back since.
What's all this war-talk? I have no interest in Linux 'winning' over Windows as fast as possible. What ever that may mean anyway. As far as I'm concerned Linux won the moment I saw Enlightenment Screenshots (I dig eyecandy, y'know?:-) ) Get into your head: M$ isn't an issue with Linux. Hasn't been, and never will be. If everyone in the Linux community keeps that in mind Linux will be a standard faster than most people expect. I've used both OSes and I consider the Linux Desktop far more usable that Windows. And even though I was a Windows fan some time ago. Calling the Windows desktop usable compared to current Gnome, KDE, a well-configured FluxBox or MacOS X Aqua is just plain silly. Just like calling Outlook more usable than KMail or Explorer more usable than Mozilla Firebird. This comparsion is all just unfinished thinking. The next will hear is that M$ Office is more standards compliant than OpenOffice. And OpenOffice therefor needs to merge with AbiWord to achieve victory.
You're saying that people are 'used to' Windows and not to a configureable system. But that's something entirely different.
Not possible without extra contract/money/time/younameit::
"That's an interessting problem. I'd say one would have to keep an eye on A, B and C, and probably redo D completely, but with an extra 4 weeks of time it shouldn't be to difficult. We could talk about that once I get this finished, or would you like me to stall the whole project and merge that requirement into it?"
Forget it/Quite impossible if we don't change your entire Appsever enviroment:: "That's a *really* good Idea. You know, there is a solution for this that [very expensive vendor] once did. I'm not shure about how and how well they managed to do it, but one would probably have to [technical detail A] and [technical detail B]. The problem is there is only [very expensive product] that claims to have an out-of-the-box solution for [technical detail C]. A real world solution for that is actually quite compley...[small pause]... But,you know, if we could manage to do that, that would actually be a marketable product. I mean, really. I would be totally unique."
Ok, people, this whole thing is starting to press a little to far. What exactly is going on in the U.S. that makes and let's SCO America raise all this stink? If this were in Germany, they'd by sued blind by now and nickeld and dimed to death by temporal decrees and acompanied non-compliance-fees. Two of which are set allready (summing up to 500 000 Euro) and have shut SCO Germany up for good. Along with that would be something like a bazillion trials for 'commerce obstruction', 'copyright infringement' and whatnot cueing up on an hourly basis. As I gather there is something like the 'Boersenaufsicht' called 'SEC' in the US, no? Correct me if I'm wrong with that. Anyway, by now the Boersenaufsicht would be all over SCO like a polyester safary suit giving them a good 'up you'rs' from behind. Without Vaseline. Isn't there something 'The Land of the Free', 'God's own Country' or whatever you prefer to call it can do about this sorry excuse of a scandal? Momentarily you're giving of a sad picture, I'm sorry to say that.
Seems like somebody is pissed. At least he acts that way. I hope it not just all druming and no musik. Don't get me wrong, I find it entirely apropriate for someone to vent like this. But he better really have something up his sleve if he goes by threatening SCO in that way. Otherwise he'll make a complete fool of himself.
Unix Developer: "If I'm supposed to fix this I want root access."
Admin:"Why that?"
Unix Developer: "When I try to 'find' stuff and such I get all those 'permission denieds' that me head so hazy and all and I can't see the real info I need, understand?"
*long pause, Admin making a faceless stare* *Admin remains faceless, pulls out Deagle*
Hi there, Hunny-Bunny. I got this soooo kewl little shellscript, which is sooo sweet and good and all. You just have to do a little 'chmod u+x' on it and then it will dance just for *you*. PLEASE try it! Really, you've got to check this out!!!!
...when it's got critics like classical music and literature.
Honestly, I used to be annoyed about the fact that literature critics would constantly run circles around 'Ulysses' and have not half a word for 'Snow Crash'. Now I've come to notice that I don't want the forms of art I like to be handled by 'professional critics'. Be it the art I do myself or the art I enjoy. Critics suck. Especially when applauded by people who think they are essential to art. And those applauding suck even more. Both of them aren't essential either to making or enjoying art. And they never will be. Trust a guy who was/is a professional artist, enjoys art and also enjoys analyzing art. Allthough I'd rather shoot myself than do that for a living.
You've got to be kidding me. This can't be true! Please tell me it isn't. Who the hell uses MS Windows to monitor a _nuclear__power__ plant_?
I would've never thought I'd be so happy to live in germany. At least our nuclear plants have their own, customized real time operating systems watching over what's going on. Jebus Crickey, I'd suggest you'd get yourself a new set of plants right along with that new powergrid that's due.
...All press about the management of Lindows, points towards them being interested in bettering linux. Mandrake caters to it's consumers and redhat is a company that gives back to it's community. Suse seems to be out only for their benefit and while they might make a good product, I don't want to support their business style....
Sorry to rain on your parade, but you're into serious bullshitting territory here. SuSE (~300 employees) has a subtancial amount of fulltime developers programming OSS day-in and day-out. They pretty much did Alsa by themselves, they did something like 90% of United Linux and they are the ones in the market offering the biggest value for the least money. They've translated big parts of the linux documentation into german and offer a solid service that goes beyond just having a cardboard box. A box with the largest paperdocumentation on a linux distro, I might add. Shure SuSE wants to make a buck, but stating that they're only focusing on their benefit and not giving back anything of substance is just plain silly.
Why do Germans still go for all-black, finned military chic?
They don't. They usually go for pointless boring standard looking 'safeside' designs. In allmost every german household you'll find white-painted standard rough-texture wallpaper, for instance. It's actually all 'anti-design'. They only thing you can be shure of is that the german thing will allways be 3 mm thicker than all the rest. Check out german car chassis or german cups, saucers and dishes to see what I mean. Considering that, this case is quite avantgardistic by german standards.:-)
He actually could have done it in a more subtle way. Doing Jailtime for what he did is harsh and so typical US-insane, I agree, but he actually did probably break law never the less.
TRB: Would you say that easing into Free Software slowly (as opposed to jumping from completely proprietary to completely Free Software environments) by using software such as WINE is acceptable ever?
RMS: Taking a step towards freedom is a good thing--better than nothing. The risk is that people who have taken one step will think that the place they have arrived is the ultimate destination and will stay there, not taking further steps. Much of our community focuses on practical benefits exclusively, and that doesn't show other users a reason to keep moving till they reach freedom. Users can remain in our community for years without encountering the idea. As a result, I think that we should focus our efforts not on encouraging more people to take the first step, but rather on encouraging and helping those who have already taken the first step to take more steps.
TRB: Do you have any closing thoughts you would like to share with Open for Business readers?
RMS: A non-free program is a predatory social system that keeps people in a state of domination and division, and uses the spoils to dominate more. It may seem like a profitable option to become one of the emperor's lieutenants, but ultimately the ethical thing to do is to resist the system and put an end to it.
Though at one point (when he goes at Debian) I was about to consider this guy a real prick I changed my mind. After finished reading this interview - which gives a good insight into RMS for those who don't know him or his motives that well - I must say that he has a rock-solid point in case.
I allways like to say: Thought is free. And with machines around that somewhat emulate basic algorithims of human thinking we have to be very carefull not to permit companys to patent thoughts.
RMS actually does make sense when he emphasises his Freedom thing. Oh, sorry, was that GNU/RMS?:-)
Shortly before NaN folded they managed to get Blender (www.blender.org) to be certified as an official PS2 developement tool. Now that Blender is GPLd you might want to check there for a cheap start. Note that 2.25 is the last version with a game engine in it IIRC. The new engine will be merged back in in upcoming releases.
I actually considered buying this one (I'm a 100% T-Customer in terms of conectivity) but after reading the review I'll pass. It's OK if HTML doesn't show as flashy as on IE 6 with every plugin you can get on the web. But crashes? Slowpoking on certain code? Not very reashuring. Can I update the Browser or install my own? Not easy anyway. And the weedyness of the account (with extra costs) and it's unconfigurability and unconectability don't add to my trust in this thing. Don't get me wrong, 400$ for a device that's as featureladen as this is a good deal. Especially when it manages to integrate a PDA with a Mobile pretty well and has a batterytime that is usefull. But with all this proprietary stuff and them glitches in the service account I'll wait another while. This seems a bit like bananaware to me.
Halleluja! At last one of the crappiest pieces of software ever concieved by the human mind goes the way it should have 7 years ago. Outlook (Express) is responsible for a whole generation of mass users not grasping the most basic concepts of Email commuication and wasting our time and productivity with 'fullquote below' replys (an Outlook invention and default), shoddy HTML Mails, broken Emailthreads and viruses and worms bringing down the internet. This is nothing less than good riddance at last. I think Microsoft should be held liable for the timewaste I put up with while dealing with Outlooks misbegotten way of dealing with the email process and 'What's an Emailprogramm?'-Outlook-N00bs not wanting to see the light.
...that the cream of IT people would do regular revolving backups, securing sessions and have a standalone staging enviroment for all their stuff should the connected setup get compromised. Especially files which are distributed into the entire world to run on bazillions of computers once released. That's all a big fat hairy bad-ass no-brainer. Sorry, gnu.org team, no icecream tonight.
Trilobyte. European tech kicks ass. Harharhar! Honestly now: If I'll ever get a vacuumbot it will be this one. This Trilobyte sucker has some serious tech inside. It actually learns the shapes of the floor it cleans and maneuvers through and past furniture. It starts at programmable time (when you're out of the house) and goes back to it's recharge station when finished. THAT is a vacubot. That other one is a toy that will chrush to chunky kibbles if I accidentally step on it. Or make that 'on purpose'.:-)
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It's been that for 30 years.
One of the major roadblocks for Unix was the lack of one single standardized platform for applications.
Yeah, right!
And them M$ OSes. Sooo consitent. I mean really. All one platform. Those new ones every odd year and those updates really support downward compatability and all that. Check out the major desktop app of them, M$ Office. Sooo standardized and compatible it's a bliss. And the usabilty. And look at the GUIs look and feel! All the way from Win3.1 up to XP they just changed the colordepth. Absolutely. Apple on the other hand failed completely with consitency and a standard plattform. I mean those numders (7,8,9) where changing faster than one could watch.
Yeah. It's all true. Go check. And that new Aqua. So confusing. All new and blue. Makes you all hazy in the head. Really. Try it, you'll hate it. And Java won't run at all. And won't look standard either. And 'Swing Metal' is *sooo* sweet. No, those Apple people, they *really* messed up. No wonder. They switched to Unix. Poor them.
BTW: The *only* reason I put up with learning Linux is that I'll never again have to learn an OS. Never again. Think about that for a minute. Debian may be tough, but the knowlege I build now I'll be able to use until I die. That will *never* be the case with M$. They earn money by changin their OSes. Yepp, thats what they do. AmiPro 3.1 was more that enough for my Wordprocessing needs. Then I got myself SmartSuite (Win95), which was nice too. Now I'm fed up for good. After I had DOS/Win3.1 and switched to Win95 (as late as possible) and Win2k showing up at the horizon I've had enough. I switched to an OSS OS and I've never looked back since.
What's all this war-talk? I have no interest in Linux 'winning' over Windows as fast as possible. What ever that may mean anyway. As far as I'm concerned Linux won the moment I saw Enlightenment Screenshots (I dig eyecandy, y'know? :-) )
Get into your head: M$ isn't an issue with Linux. Hasn't been, and never will be.
If everyone in the Linux community keeps that in mind Linux will be a standard faster than most people expect. I've used both OSes and I consider the Linux Desktop far more usable that Windows. And even though I was a Windows fan some time ago.
Calling the Windows desktop usable compared to current Gnome, KDE, a well-configured FluxBox or MacOS X Aqua is just plain silly.
Just like calling Outlook more usable than KMail or Explorer more usable than Mozilla Firebird. This comparsion is all just unfinished thinking.
The next will hear is that M$ Office is more standards compliant than OpenOffice. And OpenOffice therefor needs to merge with AbiWord to achieve victory.
You're saying that people are 'used to' Windows and not to a configureable system. But that's something entirely different.
Not possible without extra contract/money/time/younameit::
"That's an interessting problem. I'd say one would have to keep an eye on A, B and C, and probably redo D completely, but with an extra 4 weeks of time it shouldn't be to difficult. We could talk about that once I get this finished, or would you like me to stall the whole project and merge that requirement into it?"
Forget it/Quite impossible if we don't change your entire Appsever enviroment::
"That's a *really* good Idea. You know, there is a solution for this that [very expensive vendor] once did. I'm not shure about how and how well they managed to do it, but one would probably have to [technical detail A] and [technical detail B]. The problem is there is only [very expensive product] that claims to have an out-of-the-box solution for [technical detail C]. A real world solution for that is actually quite compley...[small pause]... But,you know, if we could manage to do that, that would actually be a marketable product. I mean, really. I would be totally unique."
Ok, people, this whole thing is starting to press a little to far. What exactly is going on in the U.S. that makes and let's SCO America raise all this stink?
If this were in Germany, they'd by sued blind by now and nickeld and dimed to death by temporal decrees and acompanied non-compliance-fees. Two of which are set allready (summing up to 500 000 Euro) and have shut SCO Germany up for good. Along with that would be something like a bazillion trials for 'commerce obstruction', 'copyright infringement' and whatnot cueing up on an hourly basis.
As I gather there is something like the 'Boersenaufsicht' called 'SEC' in the US, no? Correct me if I'm wrong with that. Anyway, by now the Boersenaufsicht would be all over SCO like a polyester safary suit giving them a good 'up you'rs' from behind. Without Vaseline.
Isn't there something 'The Land of the Free', 'God's own Country' or whatever you prefer to call it can do about this sorry excuse of a scandal? Momentarily you're giving of a sad picture, I'm sorry to say that.
Seems like somebody is pissed. At least he acts that way. I hope it not just all druming and no musik.
Don't get me wrong, I find it entirely apropriate for someone to vent like this. But he better really have something up his sleve if he goes by threatening SCO in that way. Otherwise he'll make a complete fool of himself.
Flamebait??? :-)
Actually I'd hope for it to be funny. I thougt it was funny anyway.
I guess that last Wormwave left some Windozer quite humorless.
Unix Developer: "If I'm supposed to fix this I want root access."
Admin:"Why that?"
Unix Developer: "When I try to 'find' stuff and such I get all those 'permission denieds' that me head so hazy and all and I can't see the real info I need, understand?"
*long pause, Admin making a faceless stare*
*Admin remains faceless, pulls out Deagle*
BLAM!BLAM!BLAM!BLAM!BLAM!BLAM!
"Yeah, shure. I see."
Hi there, Hunny-Bunny.
I got this soooo kewl little shellscript, which is sooo sweet and good and all. You just have to do a little 'chmod u+x' on it and then it will dance just for *you*. PLEASE try it! Really, you've got to check this out!!!!
Attachment:
SayByeByeToYourData.sh
...when it's got critics like classical music and literature.
Honestly, I used to be annoyed about the fact that literature critics would constantly run circles around 'Ulysses' and have not half a word for 'Snow Crash'.
Now I've come to notice that I don't want the forms of art I like to be handled by 'professional critics'. Be it the art I do myself or the art I enjoy. Critics suck. Especially when applauded by people who think they are essential to art. And those applauding suck even more. Both of them aren't essential either to making or enjoying art. And they never will be.
Trust a guy who was/is a professional artist, enjoys art and also enjoys analyzing art. Allthough I'd rather shoot myself than do that for a living.
You've got to be kidding me.
This can't be true! Please tell me it isn't.
Who the hell uses MS Windows to monitor a _nuclear__power__ plant_?
I would've never thought I'd be so happy to live in germany. At least our nuclear plants have their own, customized real time operating systems watching over what's going on.
Jebus Crickey, I'd suggest you'd get yourself a new set of plants right along with that new powergrid that's due.
...All press about the management of Lindows, points towards them being interested in bettering linux. Mandrake caters to it's consumers and redhat is a company that gives back to it's community. Suse seems to be out only for their benefit and while they might make a good product, I don't want to support their business style....
Sorry to rain on your parade, but you're into serious bullshitting territory here.
SuSE (~300 employees) has a subtancial amount of fulltime developers programming OSS day-in and day-out. They pretty much did Alsa by themselves, they did something like 90% of United Linux and they are the ones in the market offering the biggest value for the least money. They've translated big parts of the linux documentation into german and offer a solid service that goes beyond just having a cardboard box. A box with the largest paperdocumentation on a linux distro, I might add. Shure SuSE wants to make a buck, but stating that they're only focusing on their benefit and not giving back anything of substance is just plain silly.
The daily SCO post on the lunchbreak.
that you can't survive without Microsoft."
Right on, pal, right on. 'Nuff said.
Does it fit under my Desk?
What does it cost?
If both is under my maximum I want one!
Why do Germans still go for all-black, finned military chic?
:-)
They don't. They usually go for pointless boring standard looking 'safeside' designs. In allmost every german household you'll find white-painted standard rough-texture wallpaper, for instance.
It's actually all 'anti-design'. They only thing you can be shure of is that the german thing will allways be 3 mm thicker than all the rest. Check out german car chassis or german cups, saucers and dishes to see what I mean.
Considering that, this case is quite avantgardistic by german standards.
He actually could have done it in a more subtle way. Doing Jailtime for what he did is harsh and so typical US-insane, I agree, but he actually did probably break law never the less.
TRB: Would you say that easing into Free Software slowly (as opposed to jumping from completely proprietary to completely Free Software environments) by using software such as WINE is acceptable ever?
:-)
RMS: Taking a step towards freedom is a good thing--better than nothing. The risk is that people who have taken one step will think that the place they have arrived is the ultimate destination and will stay there, not taking further steps. Much of our community focuses on practical benefits exclusively, and that doesn't show other users a reason to keep moving till they reach freedom. Users can remain in our community for years without encountering the idea. As a result, I think that we should focus our efforts not on encouraging more people to take the first step, but rather on encouraging and helping those who have already taken the first step to take more steps.
TRB: Do you have any closing thoughts you would like to share with Open for Business readers?
RMS: A non-free program is a predatory social system that keeps people in a state of domination and division, and uses the spoils to dominate more. It may seem like a profitable option to become one of the emperor's lieutenants, but ultimately the ethical thing to do is to resist the system and put an end to it.
Though at one point (when he goes at Debian) I was about to consider this guy a real prick I changed my mind. After finished reading this interview - which gives a good insight into RMS for those who don't know him or his motives that well - I must say that he has a rock-solid point in case.
I allways like to say: Thought is free. And with machines around that somewhat emulate basic algorithims of human thinking we have to be very carefull not to permit companys to patent thoughts.
RMS actually does make sense when he emphasises his Freedom thing. Oh, sorry, was that GNU/RMS?
Shortly before NaN folded they managed to get Blender (www.blender.org) to be certified as an official PS2 developement tool. Now that Blender is GPLd you might want to check there for a cheap start. Note that 2.25 is the last version with a game engine in it IIRC. The new engine will be merged back in in upcoming releases.
I actually considered buying this one (I'm a 100% T-Customer in terms of conectivity) but after reading the review I'll pass.
It's OK if HTML doesn't show as flashy as on IE 6 with every plugin you can get on the web. But crashes? Slowpoking on certain code? Not very reashuring.
Can I update the Browser or install my own? Not easy anyway.
And the weedyness of the account (with extra costs) and it's unconfigurability and unconectability don't add to my trust in this thing.
Don't get me wrong, 400$ for a device that's as featureladen as this is a good deal. Especially when it manages to integrate a PDA with a Mobile pretty well and has a batterytime that is usefull. But with all this proprietary stuff and them glitches in the service account I'll wait another while.
This seems a bit like bananaware to me.
...too.
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Halleluja!
At last one of the crappiest pieces of software ever concieved by the human mind goes the way it should have 7 years ago.
Outlook (Express) is responsible for a whole generation of mass users not grasping the most basic concepts of Email commuication and wasting our time and productivity with 'fullquote below' replys (an Outlook invention and default), shoddy HTML Mails, broken Emailthreads and viruses and worms bringing down the internet.
This is nothing less than good riddance at last. I think Microsoft should be held liable for the timewaste I put up with while dealing with Outlooks misbegotten way of dealing with the email process and 'What's an Emailprogramm?'-Outlook-N00bs not wanting to see the light.
"...So much for having any integrity, Slashdot."
Did you just say 'integrity' and 'Slashdot?' And '...so much for having...'?
...that the cream of IT people would do regular revolving backups, securing sessions and have a standalone staging enviroment for all their stuff should the connected setup get compromised. Especially files which are distributed into the entire world to run on bazillions of computers once released. That's all a big fat hairy bad-ass no-brainer.
Sorry, gnu.org team, no icecream tonight.
Trilobyte. European tech kicks ass. Harharhar! :-)
Honestly now: If I'll ever get a vacuumbot it will be this one. This Trilobyte sucker has some serious tech inside. It actually learns the shapes of the floor it cleans and maneuvers through and past furniture. It starts at programmable time (when you're out of the house) and goes back to it's recharge station when finished. THAT is a vacubot. That other one is a toy that will chrush to chunky kibbles if I accidentally step on it. Or make that 'on purpose'.