It also means you have to be running Windows, since Java Web Start doesn't work in other OSes. (Apparently it's supposed to, but I've never seen it work outside Windows. It most certainly does NOT work under Linux.)
We're using Java Web Start successfully on Windows, OSX, various Linux boxes and Solaris without any problems.
Yes, the FDA does have problems. Yes, medical journals have rigorous standards. Yes, many many scientists have been considered kooks only to see their research become mainstream (many many more haven't) Yes, DMSO double blind tests are hard
So, "Well Established"? You did nothing to even begin to prove your assertion. Not even any material that hasn't been published in a peer reviewed form. You did present a lot of irrevelant statements that did nothing to prove your case. Where's the science?
Most of the acid helps cancer crowd have no clue. They build up false hopes on whacky theories. Frequently advocating their alternative treatment instead of traditional treatments. I see that as stupidity bordering on evil.
Tomorrow marks the 1 year anniversary of my cancer diagnosis (a rare form of Sarcoma). I'm cancer free now. I not only went the traditional route but also made radical diet changes and loaded up on many supplements. It was a complimentary approach vs abandoning the traditional route only for one of the many many fad cancer cures.
If VoIP is really Voice over IP, why are there any fee's, why are there any regulations? Why can't someone make a device that records my voice in real time, sends it to a different computer, where it is played?
Amazing. Totally clueless posted modded to Interesting.
You can do VoIP for free. It's even relatively simple. You can't connect to the PSTN (public switched telephone network) for free. Want VoIP that allows you to dial someones number on the PSTN and talk to them? Pay up. Why the regulation? Sadly the PSTN has been heavily regulated for years.
I am suprised there is not some DNS type scheme where people use their computers like a phone. Instead of calling a land line or cell phone, you use your computer to call some IP.
I'm surprised you don't realize this has been possible for many years.
The only thing which worries me is abuse. People sniff networks. People try and gain access of computers using open ports. VoIP would require some trust.
Uhmmm, people sniff phone lines too, Using a phone requires some trust.
If people wait for the telcom companies to take command of VoIP, we can expect another phone bill.
See, AT&T CallVantage, Vonage, Packet8, AOL and a slew of others. I gladly pay AT&T $30/month for a great VoIP setup instead of double that amount to the local baby bell. Sure I could roll my own setup but I like being connected to the PSTN. Got to pay for that somewhere.
This licensing thing is like Telcos forcing phone manufacturers to pay royalties. Which I didn't think happened, but in this day and age I wouldn't put it past them.
Not exactly. It would be like the Telcos not charging you and I anything for our phone line and forcing the manufacturers to pay royalties.
FreeBSD has a linux emulation layer, for running linux applications
No, it doesn't.
"Yeah, but is this really emulation? No. It is an ABI implementation, not an emulation. There is no emulator (or simulator, to cut off the next question) involved." FreeBSD Handbook
It's all relative man. Take a look at the Hulk movie which you used as an example - about $131 million in earnings, on a production budget of $120 million. That's $11 million in profits, or about 9% return. Compared to a lot of successful movies, a 9% return is not all that great. By comparison, I think the stock market's annual return is something like 8%.
It didn't earn $131 Million! It grossed $131 Million. I'm guessing earnings of equaling the costs are a long way off, if ever.
Why you should generally hire young coders
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Head First Java
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I have to admit I've stayed away from object-oriented programming; after all, I've been writing software for nigh on twenty years without it - why make life hard?
Here is exactly why managers go for the young coders! Too many old farts that think their way is good enough versus a bunch of young ones willing to learn new ideas and tools. (I'm one of the old ones but not stuck in the past)
Can you think of even one Java application that you use on your desktop and like?
Easy. Eclipse, Interactive Brokers Trader's Workstation, Gallery Remote and Limewire are a few I've run in the last day or so. Then again, what I really like Java for is running server side applications. There are many on my server.
Can you think of a single problem domain where Java offers greater portability than the competition? Standard C, C++ or Python (depending on your desired level of abstraction) are just as portable as Java as long as your libraries/toolkits are cross-platform.
I can think of several. I've done cross platform Java, C++ and C applications. Java beats the other two easily. Write, compile, distribute to every target.
And programs written in these languages just fit in, they find their libraries without fuss,
Wow, you've never had to deal with DLL issues in windows or LDPATH problems on *nix? they start up rapidly (in comparison) instead of seemingly spawning an OS within an OS.
I'll give you that one. However there's currently not an application on my desktop that hasn't been running for several days (most of them have been up several weeks). On my server several of my java apps have been up months. Startup time doesn't bother me that much.
It also reduces diversity, and sends a powerful message to developers - don't bother trying to compete with Apple, because they'll bundle it with the OS and their fiercely loyal customers will use it even when it's not finished yet. That's fine, but it does make it somewhat more "dangerous" to develop for the Mac, especially if you are a small indie developer, as there's no telling what Apple will bundle next. Windows is in the same position of course, though to a lesser extent.
More dangerous than Windows?! Hrmm
WordPerfect
Lotus 123
Real Audio
Foxpro/dBase
Netscape
Lots more my sleep deprived brain can't remember right now Hey! You're right, Windows is the safer place to develop apps.
Yep. It's obvious, just take a look at the number of high level positions held by minorities in the Bush Whitehouse compared to the Clinton Whitehouse.
If there is a bug in package A, the corp would have monetary incentive + engineers to fix it. (This is hypothetical, so spare me real world scenarios...) If there's a bug in package B, what exactly is the incentive to get it fixed in a timely manner?
When there's a security bug found in IIS how long does it take Microsoft to fix it? Sometimes weeks. When there's a security bug found in Apache how long does it take to get fixed? Usually there's a patch within hours. Granted, the Apache folks didn't have to go to a series of meetings to determine the bugs impacts and the impacts of fixing it on their big corporate customers. Didn't have to then have additional meetings to determine who was going to be assigned the task. Didn't have to schedule multiple code reviews. Didn't have to wait for the "QA" team to schedule testing. Didn't have to wait for the install team to build the patch installer. Didn't have to wait for the web team to place it on the website. Didn't have to wait for the software update folks (with root privs on all their customer boxes) to queue up the patch in the software update stream. So really, I'm not sure what the Apache folks incentive is.
It's sad how all criticisms of MySQL on slashdot are consistently modded down. Although MySQL is a fine product with a lot going for it - there is plenty to be *legitimately* critical about.
I like how almost any positive MySQL post that says nothing is deemed "Insightful." For example: The dirty secret of big databases is that most people don't know how to program them, how to configure them, and don't need most of the features. And even if they get everything right, they still end up with a very costly and complex solution, a solution that likely doesn't perform very well and needs a special DBA to keep it all running. That's why MySQL is successful.
Let's see. It's a secret that most Oracle customers don't know how to program or configure the product? I thought it was a given. They don't need most of the features!? You're kidding! Really? It's costly and complex!? Wow. Another stunning insight. They need a DBA! Oh my. Didn't realize that. Thanks for all those insights! I'm much more informed.
The exploit asks for a font that's utterly ridiculous - a 166666667 size font, give or take a few 6's. Mozilla tries to get X to display such a font. X dutifilly attempts to draw at that size, which requires a tremendous amount of memory, eventually bringing the whole machine down. You could get the same result by putting a malloc or fork call in a while(1) loop.
Big whoop. Apples and Oranges. I can think of several way I can crash or lock up my machine. The Mozilla bug is a remote exploit. It's an easy one. There has to be a Mozilla bug that allowed someone to cause an endless fork on my machine to be equivalent. It's not about what you can do to your box, it's about what folks you don't want crashing your box can do.
Besides, you still need a modem for uploads (and HTTP requests), so you get screwed with latency from the modem, the 'net, and routing through a satellite."
This will change soon. Star Choice [starchoice.ca] in Canada is sending up a new satellite that will allow both upstream and downstream through the dish.
The latency will still suck. You're talking about sending a signal around 22k miles to the satelite and then 22k more miles from the sat to the transponder. At the speed of light you're talking about 250ms for the packet to be sent and another 250ms for the response. That sucks! I'm sticking with ISDN until I have another choice. Fortunately Time Warner laid cable in the neighborhood recently and it should go live soon.
Re:moving slowly...open the source!!
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So they can get the nimble development cycle of such projects as Mozilla and Gnome?
Nice job carefully picking your examples. As you point out below, PalmOS is an OS. Apples to apples means lets compare it to the nimble cycles of Darwin, FreeBSD, Linux and others.
I'm sorry, but I don't think so. Any operating system
Like Gnome and Mozilla? -- especially something embedded like PalmOS -- is going to be over the level of many programmers.
Yep. We all know OSS programmers are simpletons. Gee, PalmOS might be hard. Since when is that a reason for keeping something closed source?
I certainly wouldn't want to have to deal with lines and lines of palm assembly...
I certainly don't want you dealing with it either! Leave it to the hordes of OSS coders cranking out amazingly complex, useful, robost code. In the case of PalmOS, I don't see any advantage to opening the source. Palm does a good job with it, and I don't think there's enough "flashy" jobs to keep OSS programmers going.
Flashy isn't the reason to make it OSS. It's not even the main thrust of most OSS software. Solid security, better core functionality, functionality that serves a small market segment, adherence to standards and support of a wider variety of hardware are just a few of the reasons it would be nice.
If OSX comes out on Intel I wonder if MS would pull Office Mac off the market. In my opinion that would be a huge blow.
I love OSX, however, I must have MS Office. Too many folks send me Office documents. StarOffice won't do. We had major miscommuncations with a client who was using the mark up features in Word and Star Office was ignoring them. It cost us big time. Can't risk something like that happening again.
I'm not impressed at all by a company that has had to spend several billion dollars to make a profit of $5 million. First of all, $5 million is peanuts, and the stated profit takes none of the infrastructure expenses they've been making for the last several years.
This was a profit using GAAP not pro forma results. You don't get to write off a $10 billion factory in one year.
The WAP "Standard" is closed and uses proprietary technology. There are efforts underway to develop truly open alternatives. http://www.freeprotocols.org/wapTrap/
Slashdot Mirror
We're using Java Web Start successfully on Windows, OSX, various Linux boxes and Solaris without any problems.
Did you check out his site? He releases his stuff work under the GPL and his content CC.
He even provides an XML feed for you to format to your hearts content.
Yeah, big supporter of the MPAA/RIAA there!
Yes, the FDA does have problems.
Yes, medical journals have rigorous standards.
Yes, many many scientists have been considered kooks only to see their research become mainstream (many many more haven't)
Yes, DMSO double blind tests are hard
So, "Well Established"? You did nothing to even begin to prove your assertion. Not even any material that hasn't been published in a peer reviewed form. You did present a lot of irrevelant statements that did nothing to prove your case. Where's the science?
Most of the acid helps cancer crowd have no clue. They build up false hopes on whacky theories. Frequently advocating their alternative treatment instead of traditional treatments. I see that as stupidity bordering on evil.
Tomorrow marks the 1 year anniversary of my cancer diagnosis (a rare form of Sarcoma). I'm cancer free now. I not only went the traditional route but also made radical diet changes and loaded up on many supplements. It was a complimentary approach vs abandoning the traditional route only for one of the many many fad cancer cures.
Time for another cup of green tea.....
If VoIP is really Voice over IP, why are there any fee's, why are there any regulations? Why can't someone make a device that records my voice in real time, sends it to a different computer, where it is played?
Amazing. Totally clueless posted modded to Interesting.
You can do VoIP for free. It's even relatively simple. You can't connect to the PSTN (public switched telephone network) for free. Want VoIP that allows you to dial someones number on the PSTN and talk to them? Pay up. Why the regulation? Sadly the PSTN has been heavily regulated for years.
I am suprised there is not some DNS type scheme where people use their computers like a phone. Instead of calling a land line or cell phone, you use your computer to call some IP.
I'm surprised you don't realize this has been possible for many years.
The only thing which worries me is abuse. People sniff networks. People try and gain access of computers using open ports. VoIP would require some trust.
Uhmmm, people sniff phone lines too, Using a phone requires some trust.
If people wait for the telcom companies to take command of VoIP, we can expect another phone bill.
See, AT&T CallVantage, Vonage, Packet8, AOL and a slew of others. I gladly pay AT&T $30/month for a great VoIP setup instead of double that amount to the local baby bell. Sure I could roll my own setup but I like being connected to the PSTN. Got to pay for that somewhere.
Wow! So for the years I've enjoyed Tivo to the point where I don't watch TV without it you've been holding off to see who wins.
You don't understand the power of Tivo. There is no way you can program your VCR and come close to what Tivo brings to the table.
Ruby on rails. http://rubyonrails.org
This licensing thing is like Telcos forcing phone manufacturers to pay royalties. Which I didn't think happened, but in this day and age I wouldn't put it past them.
Not exactly. It would be like the Telcos not charging you and I anything for our phone line and forcing the manufacturers to pay royalties.
Hell, it won't even reboot! Netcraft top uptimes
FreeBSD has a linux emulation layer, for running linux applications
No, it doesn't.
"Yeah, but is this really emulation? No. It is an ABI implementation, not an emulation. There is no emulator (or simulator, to cut off the next question) involved." FreeBSD Handbook
It's all relative man. Take a look at the Hulk movie which you used as an example - about $131 million in earnings, on a production budget of $120 million. That's $11 million in profits, or about 9% return. Compared to a lot of successful movies, a 9% return is not all that great. By comparison, I think the stock market's annual return is something like 8%.
It didn't earn $131 Million! It grossed $131 Million. I'm guessing earnings of equaling the costs are a long way off, if ever.
I have to admit I've stayed away from object-oriented programming; after all, I've been writing software for nigh on twenty years without it - why make life hard?
Here is exactly why managers go for the young coders! Too many old farts that think their way is good enough versus a bunch of young ones willing to learn new ideas and tools. (I'm one of the old ones but not stuck in the past)
Can you think of even one Java application that you use on your desktop and like?
Easy. Eclipse, Interactive Brokers Trader's Workstation, Gallery Remote and Limewire are a few I've run in the last day or so. Then again, what I really like Java for is running server side applications. There are many on my server.
Can you think of a single problem domain where Java offers greater portability than the competition? Standard C, C++ or Python (depending on your desired level of abstraction) are just as portable as Java as long as your libraries/toolkits are cross-platform.
I can think of several. I've done cross platform Java, C++ and C applications. Java beats the other two easily. Write, compile, distribute to every target.
And programs written in these languages just fit in, they find their libraries without fuss,
Wow, you've never had to deal with DLL issues in windows or LDPATH problems on *nix?
they start up rapidly (in comparison) instead of seemingly spawning an OS within an OS.
I'll give you that one. However there's currently not an application on my desktop that hasn't been running for several days (most of them have been up several weeks). On my server several of my java apps have been up months. Startup time doesn't bother me that much.
More dangerous than Windows?! Hrmm
WordPerfect
Lotus 123
Real Audio
Foxpro/dBase
Netscape
Lots more my sleep deprived brain can't remember right now
Hey! You're right, Windows is the safer place to develop apps.
Yep. It's obvious, just take a look at the number of high level positions held by minorities in the Bush Whitehouse compared to the Clinton Whitehouse.
Rice in 08!!!
URL doesn't work anymore. Anyone have a mirror?
If there is a bug in package A, the corp would have monetary incentive + engineers to fix it. (This is hypothetical, so spare me real world scenarios...) If there's a bug in package B, what exactly is the incentive to get it fixed in a timely manner?
When there's a security bug found in IIS how long does it take Microsoft to fix it? Sometimes weeks. When there's a security bug found in Apache how long does it take to get fixed? Usually there's a patch within hours. Granted, the Apache folks didn't have to go to a series of meetings to determine the bugs impacts and the impacts of fixing it on their big corporate customers. Didn't have to then have additional meetings to determine who was going to be assigned the task. Didn't have to schedule multiple code reviews. Didn't have to wait for the "QA" team to schedule testing. Didn't have to wait for the install team to build the patch installer. Didn't have to wait for the web team to place it on the website. Didn't have to wait for the software update folks (with root privs on all their customer boxes) to queue up the patch in the software update stream. So really, I'm not sure what the Apache folks incentive is.
It's sad how all criticisms of MySQL on slashdot are consistently modded down. Although MySQL is a fine product with a lot going for it - there is plenty to be *legitimately* critical about.
I like how almost any positive MySQL post that says nothing is deemed "Insightful." For example:
The dirty secret of big databases is that most people don't know how to program them, how to configure them, and don't need most of the features. And even if they get everything right, they still end up with a very costly and complex solution, a solution that likely doesn't perform very well and needs a special DBA to keep it all running. That's why MySQL is successful.
Let's see. It's a secret that most Oracle customers don't know how to program or configure the product? I thought it was a given. They don't need most of the features!? You're kidding! Really? It's costly and complex!? Wow. Another stunning insight. They need a DBA! Oh my. Didn't realize that. Thanks for all those insights! I'm much more informed.
The Slashdot masses will one day realize FreeBSD is the one truly worthy of blind worship.
The exploit asks for a font that's utterly ridiculous - a 166666667 size font, give or take a few 6's. Mozilla tries to get X to display such a font. X dutifilly attempts to draw at that size, which requires a tremendous amount of memory, eventually bringing the whole machine down. You could get the same result by putting a malloc or fork call in a while(1) loop.
Big whoop. Apples and Oranges. I can think of several way I can crash or lock up my machine. The Mozilla bug
is a remote exploit. It's an easy one. There has to be a Mozilla bug that allowed someone to cause an endless fork on my machine to be equivalent. It's not about what you can do to your box, it's about what folks you don't want crashing your box can do.
This will change soon. Star Choice [starchoice.ca] in Canada is sending up a new satellite that will allow both upstream and downstream through the dish.
The latency will still suck. You're talking about sending a signal around 22k miles to the satelite and then 22k more miles from the sat to the transponder. At the speed of light you're talking about 250ms for the packet to be sent and another 250ms for the response. That sucks! I'm sticking with ISDN until I have another choice. Fortunately Time Warner laid cable in the neighborhood recently and it should go live soon.
So they can get the nimble development cycle of such projects as Mozilla and Gnome?
Nice job carefully picking your examples. As you point out below, PalmOS is an OS. Apples to apples means lets compare it to the nimble cycles of Darwin, FreeBSD, Linux and others.
I'm sorry, but I don't think so. Any operating system
Like Gnome and Mozilla?
-- especially something embedded like PalmOS -- is going to be over the level of many programmers.
Yep. We all know OSS programmers are simpletons. Gee, PalmOS might be hard. Since when is that a reason for keeping something closed source?
I certainly wouldn't want to have to deal with lines and lines of palm assembly...
I certainly don't want you dealing with it either! Leave it to the hordes of OSS coders cranking out amazingly complex, useful, robost code.
In the case of PalmOS, I don't see any advantage to opening the source. Palm does a good job with it, and I don't think there's enough "flashy" jobs to keep OSS programmers going.
Flashy isn't the reason to make it OSS. It's not even the main thrust of most OSS software. Solid security, better core functionality, functionality that serves a small market segment, adherence to standards and support of a wider variety of hardware are just a few of the reasons it would be nice.
You mean from version 1.0? There's been some major value added. It hasn't slowed down.
Beans
JMS
JDBC
Servlets
JSP
EJB
JPDA
JTA
JNDI
IIOP Support
Java Help
Much more but the pool is calling my name....
All evolving, all open standards, all available with no Sun code. No value?
If OSX comes out on Intel I wonder if MS would pull Office Mac off the market. In my opinion that would be a huge blow.
I love OSX, however, I must have MS Office. Too many folks send me Office documents. StarOffice won't do. We had major miscommuncations with a client who was using the mark up features in Word and Star Office was ignoring them. It cost us big time. Can't risk something like that happening again.
This was a profit using GAAP not pro forma results. You don't get to write off a $10 billion factory in one year.
The WAP "Standard" is closed and uses proprietary technology. There are efforts underway to develop truly open alternatives. http://www.freeprotocols.org/wapTrap/