Technically it's easier to port the API if you are a license holder and have the right to look at the original source code and port it to a new platform.
Technically it's harder if you have to reverse engineer it on your own WITHOUT access to the source code (like the wine/transgaming people are trying to do)
If you can reverse engineer the API's so that it works all the more power to ya. The wine people are attempting it.
Legally it could be done with almost 100% compatibility (of course you'd have to recompile your app for the target platform) IF microsoft licensed somebody to look at the real source code and port it to another platform.
What makes you think the windows API's are not used in the xbox and/or xbox360?
The license..it's the intellectual property of Microsoft and they can lock developers into writing games for windows by keeping the API's on windows. Microsoft as never licensed DirectX to ANYBODY and have no plans to ever do so.
Same thing with the the rest of the Windows API. It could be implemented on Mac/LINUX (Wine tries to do it by reverse engineering), but it does not help them (Microsoft). It keeps people from running windows apps on platforms other than Microsoft Windows.
It used to be that games used both OpenGL and DirectX (especially before Direct3d had the features to compete with OpenGL), but since game developers have made windoze their PC development platform, direct3d has become the defacto graphics library to use. One of the reasons there was no Half-Life 2 native LINUX/Mac port is because there was no OpenGL development and Valve had no inclination to do MAJOR programming work to make it work with OpenGL.
Until somebody writes a game that does something on LINUX/MAC that can't be done on windows because of the underlying OS that is successful I doubt if we'll see any change.
If I were an ISP and had a bittorrent problem (and it's obviously an issue with pirated content on bittorent), I'd be interested in having the proxy up if it really helped defer my bandwidth costs.
BUT...I'd DEFINITELY want it to be transparent and invisible.
So basically many ISP's will want this software BAD. But they don't want anybody to KNOW they do it for fear of lawyers from the RIAA/MPAA/SPCA/ECT comming down on them like a ton of bricks.
"If Cider works well, will there be any more Mac-specific game development? And if not, will it matter?"
All one has to do is look what happened to major ports of LINUX games after Transgaming started getting it's software to "kinda" work "mostly".
What we got was Loki software dying and Transgaming becomming the only way to get mainstream games running on LINUX (mostly...kinda...and never as fast as windows natively).
What needs to happen for ANY other microcomputer platform to flourish over windows is for SOME game developer to do SOMETHING that takes inherent advantage of the strengths of OS X (or LINUX) over windows and translates that into a game that everybody wants.
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Somehow the announcement of another magazine geared towards windows gaming seems a bit anti-climatic. Kinda like the grand opening of another McDonalds..
If they were to go under, could they GPL the Limewire code before closing up if they were found to be guilty? Or is all their IP considered tangable assets that could be awarded to the plaintiffs?
Don't be so sure. Bundling Vista with Home machines will cause people to use it at home but most large biz and some smaller ones don't use the pre-installed OS from the OEM factory (Dell, IBM, ect). They have their own custom image that they load onto the box after it gets delivered.
No I don't work for real. I'm an east coaster. VLC is my player of choice.
It just seems real is in that class of companies that no matter what they do, their detractors will stick their fingers in their ears, close their eyes and go nananananananana
You think it was hard to get biz to upgrade from win2k to winxp? Wait till Vista comes out. Even WITH Enterprise agreements (ala subscriptions) I don't think CIO's are going to deploy it for years.
The average user is able to use exchange, word, excel and surf the web without constant crashes (unlike with win98). As far as many managers are concerned, if their PC's can do that then their employees OS's are just fine. Microsoft is going to have to have something REVOLUTIONARY to get them to upgrade, OR simply they'll have to end support for XP to force many buisnessess to upgrade.
If even ONE app on the enterprise has to be retrofitted to work with Vista you can bet Vista will be the one put on the back burner, not the apps they have to fix.
Assuming it's a firmware hack that pop's the kernel module in LINUX (when trying use this exploit on a LINUX system as opposed to a Mac), would the vulnerability be stopped by any of the ACL controls that RedHat/Fedora have been using?
Most of the people I know who hate real have not used it since version 8.
Yes..there was a time when Real was an EVIL company. BUT..they have done many things since then (ever heard of helix player..you CAN download it for free you know). They've done quite a lot in the open source world as well.
Come on, it's legit to dump on a company for a bad product. But it's been YEARS since the worst of their products that had stuff bundled you didnt want was distributed.
Personally, I don't use real, but their stuff hasn't been horribly bad since the days when they were trying to trick you into installing stuff (which now they don't do).
Hating real has become de-facto religion for some.
On the serious side, I could care less if the commander has to sit in traffic. That sucks for him..Suck it up and do your job!
On the crazy side..Who says they are REALLY closing it? Sounds like the perfect cover story to use it for something else. It seems rather odd they would spend all that money just to close it down
If a Gamma Burst from a supernova hits us it will not matter WHICH side of the planet get's it. First the Atmosphere would be toast then the planet would cook to a sinder.
Exactly my point. As many people have said, a web browser is a HORRIBLE development platform for full featured applications as compared to developing for an OS.
Creating a desktop that runs within a web browser that is NOT using JAVA (XML + Javascript + Ruby + something + ect..) is a interesting prototype but lets be serious here. Your typical PC/MAC/LINUX desktop can run cirles around this stuff and will continue to do so.
Yea..but the Russian sent a probe to land on VENUS which in my view is MUCH more a kick ass achievement. AND it transmitted for at least 45 min before melting?
Venus
Temps: 900+ degree Pressures: Don't have figures..but it will definitely make your ears pop:) Weather: It rains sulfuric Acid
Venus is as close to literal Hell as you can get (without trying to land on the sun). I want to see NASA design a craft to land on VENUS.
15 years ago you could find text adventures on the shelves at Babbages. I could actually find a decent turn based war-game by SSG. Now if you want ANY of these (or other types of games) you have to go online and order/download.
What is popular is determined by what is available and what is available is determined by what is popular. It's a vicious cycle which ends up homogenizing the prime shelves of the stores. An addicting fun game can still sell, but unfortunately game companies (and more importantly investors) see a direct correlation between funds re-cooped in development cost and cost of development. It's the "Hollywood" effect happening to games. Big special effects, star power, etc are banked on to get BIG sales. Software retailers have become like grocery stores where they only make decent money if BIG volume sells.
As a result, the store has BIG name games, with BIG development costs, BIG advertising and what investors hope will be BIG returns.
I've often thought about how Richard Garriot sold Akalabeth at a Game store. That just couldn't happen today. Not because games arent good, but because there is no way for games like his to get the exposure they need.
Somebody needs to come up with a way to get the independent game market back into the minds of consumers. Get the best games (independant) packaged with Dell, or Apple. I don't know..but there needs to be some creativity in thinking about how to get the word out.
Assuming Apple uses some sort of P2p system like is being rumored AND it becomes wildly popular (Apple seems to have the Midas touch). Can you imagine the load that will be put on ISPs?
Even if it DOES NOT use a p2p system all those people downloading multi-gig sized files is gunna really piss of the likes of comcast, cox, ect.
Unlike SOME cooky crazy people I don't think the moon landing was faked, BUT it IS obvious that the tapes were taken by MIB in order to conceal alien spacecraft that were imaged on the tapes.....
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My apoligies if I made it look like I meant it's the ONLY reason. I think DirectX contributes to the problem.
Sure it's technical.
Technically it's easier to port the API if you are a license holder and have the right to look at the original source code and port it to a new platform.
Technically it's harder if you have to reverse engineer it on your own WITHOUT access to the source code (like the wine/transgaming people are trying to do)
If you can reverse engineer the API's so that it works all the more power to ya. The wine people are attempting it.
Legally it could be done with almost 100% compatibility (of course you'd have to recompile your app for the target platform) IF microsoft licensed somebody to look at the real source code and port it to another platform.
What makes you think the windows API's are not used in the xbox and/or xbox360?
The license..it's the intellectual property of Microsoft and they can lock developers into writing games for windows by keeping the API's on windows. Microsoft as never licensed DirectX to ANYBODY and have no plans to ever do so.
Same thing with the the rest of the Windows API. It could be implemented on Mac/LINUX (Wine tries to do it by reverse engineering), but it does not help them (Microsoft). It keeps people from running windows apps on platforms other than Microsoft Windows.
It used to be that games used both OpenGL and DirectX (especially before Direct3d had the features to compete with OpenGL), but since game developers have made windoze their PC development platform, direct3d has become the defacto graphics library to use. One of the reasons there was no Half-Life 2 native LINUX/Mac port is because there was no OpenGL development and Valve had no inclination to do MAJOR programming work to make it work with OpenGL.
Until somebody writes a game that does something on LINUX/MAC that can't be done on windows because of the underlying OS that is successful I doubt if we'll see any change.
If I were an ISP and had a bittorrent problem (and it's obviously an issue with pirated content on bittorent), I'd be interested in having the proxy up if it really helped defer my bandwidth costs.
BUT...I'd DEFINITELY want it to be transparent and invisible.
So basically many ISP's will want this software BAD. But they don't want anybody to KNOW they do it for fear of lawyers from the RIAA/MPAA/SPCA/ECT comming down on them like a ton of bricks.
"If Cider works well, will there be any more Mac-specific game development? And if not, will it matter?"
All one has to do is look what happened to major ports of LINUX games after Transgaming started getting it's software to "kinda" work "mostly".
What we got was Loki software dying and Transgaming becomming the only way to get mainstream games running on LINUX (mostly...kinda...and never as fast as windows natively).
What needs to happen for ANY other microcomputer platform to flourish over windows is for SOME game developer to do SOMETHING that takes inherent advantage of the strengths of OS X (or LINUX) over windows and translates that into a game that everybody wants.
Somehow the announcement of another magazine geared towards windows gaming seems a bit anti-climatic. Kinda like the grand opening of another McDonalds..
If they were to go under, could they GPL the Limewire code before closing up if they were found to be guilty? Or is all their IP considered tangable assets that could be awarded to the plaintiffs?
Just a curiosity...
Don't be so sure. Bundling Vista with Home machines will cause people to use it at home but most large biz and some smaller ones don't use the pre-installed OS from the OEM factory (Dell, IBM, ect). They have their own custom image that they load onto the box after it gets delivered.
LOL..
No I don't work for real. I'm an east coaster. VLC is my player of choice.
It just seems real is in that class of companies that no matter what they do, their detractors will stick their fingers in their ears, close their eyes and go nananananananana
You think it was hard to get biz to upgrade from win2k to winxp? Wait till Vista comes out. Even WITH Enterprise agreements (ala subscriptions) I don't think CIO's are going to deploy it for years.
The average user is able to use exchange, word, excel and surf the web without constant crashes (unlike with win98). As far as many managers are concerned, if their PC's can do that then their employees OS's are just fine. Microsoft is going to have to have something REVOLUTIONARY to get them to upgrade, OR simply they'll have to end support for XP to force many buisnessess to upgrade.
If even ONE app on the enterprise has to be retrofitted to work with Vista you can bet Vista will be the one put on the back burner, not the apps they have to fix.
Assuming it's a firmware hack that pop's the kernel module in LINUX (when trying use this exploit on a LINUX system as opposed to a Mac), would the vulnerability be stopped by any of the ACL controls that RedHat/Fedora have been using?
Most of the people I know who hate real have not used it since version 8.
Yes..there was a time when Real was an EVIL company. BUT..they have done many things since then (ever heard of helix player..you CAN download it for free you know). They've done quite a lot in the open source world as well.
Come on, it's legit to dump on a company for a bad product. But it's been YEARS since the worst of their products that had stuff bundled you didnt want was distributed.
Personally, I don't use real, but their stuff hasn't been horribly bad since the days when they were trying to trick you into installing stuff (which now they don't do).
Hating real has become de-facto religion for some.
On the serious side, I could care less if the commander has to sit in traffic. That sucks for him..Suck it up and do your job!
On the crazy side..Who says they are REALLY closing it? Sounds like the perfect cover story to use it for something else. It seems rather odd they would spend all that money just to close it down
Hmmm......and I'm afraid of Snakes.
Coincidence?
If a Gamma Burst from a supernova hits us it will not matter WHICH side of the planet get's it. First the Atmosphere would be toast then the planet would cook to a sinder.
_ extinction_on_Earth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_ray_burst#Mass
Exactly my point. As many people have said, a web browser is a HORRIBLE development platform for full featured applications as compared to developing for an OS.
Creating a desktop that runs within a web browser that is NOT using JAVA (XML + Javascript + Ruby + something + ect..) is a interesting prototype but lets be serious here. Your typical PC/MAC/LINUX desktop can run cirles around this stuff and will continue to do so.
And I don't see that changing.
Not to rain on anybodies parade, but if that supernova sends a gamma ray burst in our direction. We can kiss our asses goodby....
Have a nice Sunday!
I gave it a try, by far it's the best Web based desktop I've seen. It basically creates a GNOME like interface in your web browser.
But I have to ask myself. WHY? My desktop already works. Why do I need this?
Yea..but the Russian sent a probe to land on VENUS which in my view is MUCH more a kick ass achievement. AND it transmitted for at least 45 min before melting?
:)
Venus
Temps: 900+ degree
Pressures: Don't have figures..but it will definitely make your ears pop
Weather: It rains sulfuric Acid
Venus is as close to literal Hell as you can get (without trying to land on the sun). I want to see NASA design a craft to land on VENUS.
15 years ago you could find text adventures on the shelves at Babbages. I could actually find a decent turn based war-game by SSG. Now if you want ANY of these (or other types of games) you have to go online and order/download.
What is popular is determined by what is available and what is available is determined by what is popular. It's a vicious cycle which ends up homogenizing the prime shelves of the stores. An addicting fun game can still sell, but unfortunately game companies (and more importantly investors) see a direct correlation between funds re-cooped in development cost and cost of development. It's the "Hollywood" effect happening to games. Big special effects, star power, etc are banked on to get BIG sales. Software retailers have become like grocery stores where they only make decent money if BIG volume sells.
As a result, the store has BIG name games, with BIG development costs, BIG advertising and what investors hope will be BIG returns.
I've often thought about how Richard Garriot sold Akalabeth at a Game store. That just couldn't happen today. Not because games arent good, but because there is no way for games like his to get the exposure they need.
Somebody needs to come up with a way to get the independent game market back into the minds of consumers. Get the best games (independant) packaged with Dell, or Apple. I don't know..but there needs to be some creativity in thinking about how to get the word out.
Assuming Apple uses some sort of P2p system like is being rumored AND it becomes wildly popular (Apple seems to have the Midas touch). Can you imagine the load that will be put on ISPs?
Even if it DOES NOT use a p2p system all those people downloading multi-gig sized files is gunna really piss of the likes of comcast, cox, ect.
In the sense that I can call somebody on the phone.
yet I still run it.
Unlike SOME cooky crazy people I don't think the moon landing was faked, BUT it IS obvious that the tapes were taken by MIB in order to conceal alien spacecraft that were imaged on the tapes.....