Then that severely limits its use in the market. Let's put it this way - the machine has GOT to be insanely expensive to begin with. Why not add a few more bucks to the cost and have a floating point unit (or more?) per core.
I think the answer is likely to be that the two FP units on this chip can already max out the memory bandwidth when doing FP-intensive work anyway, so any more execution resources would be under-utilised.
What this discussion doesn't tell you is how perfectly acceptable (I would say fscking GREAT) regular mini-DV is right now.
Yes, I know, lots of people want high-res, high-def, high frame rates, gorgeous colors, minimal artefacts etc. Some of those even NEED those things.
However, if you are reading this discussion and you don't have experience with what "plain, vanilla" mini-DV can do, then just don't worry about new fancy-pants cameras for now.
Instead, get a mini-DV camera and a Mac (especially) or a PC. These cameras are small. lightweight, affordable, easy to learn and quite reliable.
Then you can take 1+ hours digital footage on a $5 tape, import into your fast laptop in real time and edit it right there, in place, about as easily as fixing up your MP3 titles in your mp3 player. Then you can author a DVD, burn it and give it to friends or family, and you know what, it looks great on TV.
The biggest limitation really is the processing time when you finish the product and want to export to DVD, and more resolution would only make this worse.
So, go film a friends band, your kids jumping over the lawn sprinkler, make a roadtrip movie for your car-nut friends or whatever. In two years time it will be much clearer what the next realistic step up in resolution is, and in the meanwhile prices will keep going down.
I was playing this via Frotz on my Palm Pilot Pro circa '98. Ford Prefect asked me to accept his towel, and I did and he left and the world blew up (at least, that's how I remember it). I was very affected by it at the time. I can clearly remember thinking "On no, Ford, don't go..."!
Later on on my PC I managed to do the trick with the fish, the junk mail etc, and I got into the famous maze of darkness, but for some reason it was less immersive than playing on the Palm, I lost my determination somewhere.
I remember seeing the first (fourth) movie the day it was released.
Ohhhhh, nooo, Now I'm really confused. The first (fourth) movie could be Star Wars (first movie released, episode 4) or Phantom Menace (episode 1, 4th movie released).
Alpha was never OOE until 21264 which wasn't available until quite a while after Pentium Pro was out in the field with OOE. PPro took 21164 to the cleaners because it was a classic "speed demon" and running into the memory wall. At PPro launch it had highest SPECInt period. Then after a minor mistake was found with the benchmarks, that declined to it being merely about par with anythying else. 21264 was Alphas big fight back with OOE added to its other strengths (tight logical design and aggressive circuit design).
I don't care about supercomputers for this debate. This thread has been about microprocessors.
I really can't comment on POWER3 and R10K, maybe you're right there.
What I do know is that one of the Alpha designers is on record as saying that Intel taught him that a chip could be OOE and still be -fast-. If he didn't know it until Pentium Pro, then I suggest your comments are plain wrong on some of your details. I can dig the reference up if you like
In the early 90s, there was this hot debate about RISC vs. CISC, and the merits of each,...etc.
This has all died out now, with CISC (read: Intel) coming out as a winner.
Well, maybe. Intel is a big winner, but every single Pentium or Athlon is remarkably RISC inside. In fact these chips are so much more complex than any of the "pure" RISC or CISC chips the statement that CISC won is practically meaningless.
Which side does Out Of Order Execution come from? Intel did it fast first.
Who use OOOE now? Everyone.
Theres a huge laundry list of features in modern high-performance CPUs that do not fit into RISC vs. CISC. Trace cache, micro-ops, CMT, CMP, etc etc
I don't think this is so much a problem with the price of the Flash disk drive, as it is a problem with your car.
I think most peoples cars are worth much less than $30,000. My 2002 Subaru WRX is worth about that half that by now. Are you trying to brag about your wheels, or what? In which case go on, let's hear it!
Dogma? I saw this for free, and when the person who invited my girlfriend and I to see it came over afterwards and asked us if we liked it, her succint response was
In the first article, Eric Allman says I'm curious about a couple of other languages. My favorite language to hate is Perl. It seems like no real thought was given to the language. It kind of grew over the years. So it's just really deeply, deeply ugly.
I love Linux as much as the next guy, however just being able to do '98-era desktop tasks is not enough, what I expect from my desktop (or laptop in my case) has moved on.
Nowadays I want to connect any digital camera to my machine and it "just works" (can get photos, recognizes the type of camera etc).
I also want to attach a mini-DV camera via Firewire and it "just works" then I want to import the footage in real-time, edit it right there, author a DVD and burn it, then have it "just work" when put in just about any old living room player.
For me it's Linux (or Solaris) on my servers, MacOS X on my desktop/laptop, and that's how I see things continuing for a good while. If I couldn't get Mac OS X, I expect that my next best experience for the stuff I mentioned above would be Windows XP, NOT Linux.
Sure, I can get most (all?) of these things to work on my Linux box, but it's too time-consuming. I tried. I think I gave up the last time I tried to find Freeamp. Oops, it's gone. Oh no, now it's Zinf. Ok, let's install that. Can't, it needs MusicBrainz. Fine, get that, oops it doesn't build. Next thing you know I'm pondering autoconf and M4 macros. I could fix that shit too, but I have better things to do with my time.
What are they? Well, you know, wife, daughter, job, and when it comes to supporting free software, I run the server for Nick Atty's Canalplan AC service" - again, Linux is best on servers, in my opinion.
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As I understand it, ash was written by Kenneth Almquist. I used to see his name on some of the Ada related mailing lists and newsgroups.
I have done the same thing. I turned the air blue when I thought I must have ruined the motherboard. It's the one time I ever praised my old blunt-tipped philips screwdriver...
That motherboard is still powering my webserver more than two years later.
We can afford to pin some of our hopes on growth in Europe and developing countries and elsewhere, but Microsoft can't -- the time horizon on it is too long for a company whose big challenge is to keep beating revenue expectations every quarter in a market where they have 92% share (if they don't beat those expectations every quarter, their stock tanks, the option pyramid collapses, and it's game over).
Actually
- Microsoft has given up awarding stock options since it is or soon will be against GAAP (generally accepted accounting principles) and hence almost as if it were illegal.
- Microsoft's stock has already tanked going from a peak of around $60 (split adjusted) in 2000 fairly steadily downwards to approx $28 and change today.
- Developers are already leaving Redmond in appreciable numbers
Despite all this, Microsoft still appears to be doing ok - not about to go bust or anything.
I ran Pitfall 3D (the Playstation 1 version) on my PS2. It mostly worked fine. There were a few crashes and a few minor visual glitches, but I managed to complete the entire game. I'm not much of a gamer, so I found it quite a challenge - the controls don't seem as well programmed as a game such as Jack and Daxter. Since my wife like the game on PS1, I appreciated the backwards compatibility.
Turbochargers : Can anyone explain the restriction in F1? Was it getting too dangerous?
1500bhp qualifying specials
"press here to overtake" buttons (boost control)
all kinds of unpleasant anti-competitive features for turbo-teams agaisnt non-turbo teams, none of which entertained the fans or reflected driver skill
I missed a bit in haste. I meant to write "The current talk is about V8s and 2.5 liters - that's true, but if it happens it will only temporarily reduce the horsepower levels. The next frontier..."
F1 is brilliant, but they know they can't keep going as is. You hear crazy rumors all the time. One is that the V12s will get chucked, and everyone has to go to V8s. The spectacle and sound of a V12 revving at 19k RPM is amazing. THe cars will deafen you from 100 yards away.
The cars only have V10s already. V12s are long gone. They had 3.5 liter capacity a few years ago and that's down to 3 liters and speeds are up.
The next frontier seems to be either max revs (unlikely) or minimum engine numbers (if Ferrari, Honda, BMW etc had to make 100/year then they'd have to sell a good few - might cut overall costs and help the lesser teams).
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Then that severely limits its use in the market. Let's put it this way - the machine has GOT to be insanely expensive to begin with. Why not add a few more bucks to the cost and have a floating point unit (or more?) per core.
I think the answer is likely to be that the two FP units on this chip can already max out the memory bandwidth when doing FP-intensive work anyway, so any more execution resources would be under-utilised.
But that's just my guess.
I never knew this - thanks! Guess I am interested in high-def after all, had been ignoring it so far...
At the risk of my bandwidth limit, here is your answer with full-resolution captures from Fellowship of the Ring.
Firstly, I HATE YOU! :-)
Secondly, were did you get the high-def footage from?
What this discussion doesn't tell you is how perfectly acceptable (I would say fscking GREAT) regular mini-DV is right now.
Yes, I know, lots of people want high-res, high-def, high frame rates, gorgeous colors, minimal artefacts etc. Some of those even NEED those things.
However, if you are reading this discussion and you don't have experience with what "plain, vanilla" mini-DV can do, then just don't worry about new fancy-pants cameras for now.
Instead, get a mini-DV camera and a Mac (especially) or a PC. These cameras are small. lightweight, affordable, easy to learn and quite reliable.
Then you can take 1+ hours digital footage on a $5 tape, import into your fast laptop in real time and edit it right there, in place, about as easily as fixing up your MP3 titles in your mp3 player. Then you can author a DVD, burn it and give it to friends or family, and you know what, it looks great on TV.
The biggest limitation really is the processing time when you finish the product and want to export to DVD, and more resolution would only make this worse.
So, go film a friends band, your kids jumping over the lawn sprinkler, make a roadtrip movie for your car-nut friends or whatever. In two years time it will be much clearer what the next realistic step up in resolution is, and in the meanwhile prices will keep going down.
Oh yeah, you can also download the game directly from the Douglas Adams site.
that link doesn't work
groop I implore thee!
I was playing this via Frotz on my Palm Pilot Pro circa '98. Ford Prefect asked me to accept his towel, and I did and he left and the world blew up (at least, that's how I remember it). I was very affected by it at the time. I can clearly remember thinking "On no, Ford, don't go..."!
Later on on my PC I managed to do the trick with the fish, the junk mail etc, and I got into the famous maze of darkness, but for some reason it was less immersive than playing on the Palm, I lost my determination somewhere.
These aren't the sequels you're after
You don't need to see his scripts
I find your lack of directorial skills ... disturbing.
This thread is as if millions of voices cried out in terror, and then just kept on...
I remember seeing the first (fourth) movie the day it was released.
Ohhhhh, nooo, Now I'm really confused. The first (fourth) movie could be Star Wars (first movie released, episode 4) or Phantom Menace (episode 1, 4th movie released).
Alpha was never OOE until 21264 which wasn't available until quite a while after Pentium Pro was out in the field with OOE. PPro took 21164 to the cleaners because it was a classic "speed demon" and running into the memory wall. At PPro launch it had highest SPECInt period. Then after a minor mistake was found with the benchmarks, that declined to it being merely about par with anythying else. 21264 was Alphas big fight back with OOE added to its other strengths (tight logical design and aggressive circuit design).
I don't care about supercomputers for this debate. This thread has been about microprocessors.
I really can't comment on POWER3 and R10K, maybe you're right there.
What I do know is that one of the Alpha designers is on record as saying that Intel taught him that a chip could be OOE and still be -fast-. If he didn't know it until Pentium Pro, then I suggest your comments are plain wrong on some of your details. I can dig the reference up if you like
Yeah, but intel were the first to do it -fast- ... as I said.
In the early 90s, there was this hot debate about RISC vs. CISC, and the merits of each, ...etc.
This has all died out now, with CISC (read: Intel) coming out as a winner.
Well, maybe. Intel is a big winner, but every single Pentium or Athlon is remarkably RISC inside. In fact these chips are so much more complex than any of the "pure" RISC or CISC chips the statement that CISC won is practically meaningless.
Which side does Out Of Order Execution come from? Intel did it fast first.
Who use OOOE now? Everyone.
Theres a huge laundry list of features in modern high-performance CPUs that do not fit into RISC vs. CISC. Trace cache, micro-ops, CMT, CMP, etc etc
I think most peoples cars are worth much less than $30,000. My 2002 Subaru WRX is worth about that half that by now. Are you trying to brag about your wheels, or what? In which case go on, let's hear it!
Dogma? I saw this for free, and when the person who invited my girlfriend and I to see it came over afterwards and asked us if we liked it, her succint response was
Oh God, it was so fucking awful
I'd have to nominate Good Will Hunting as well.
In the first article, Eric Allman says I'm curious about a couple of other languages. My favorite language to hate is Perl. It seems like no real thought was given to the language. It kind of grew over the years. So it's just really deeply, deeply ugly.
And this is from the guy who wrote Sendmail !
Or...This could also signal the end of large $ spending on R&D by IBM (why innovate when others are creating the OS that the computer runs?).
I love Linux as much as the next guy, however just being able to do '98-era desktop tasks is not enough, what I expect from my desktop (or laptop in my case) has moved on.
Nowadays I want to connect any digital camera to my machine and it "just works" (can get photos, recognizes the type of camera etc).
I also want to attach a mini-DV camera via Firewire and it "just works" then I want to import the footage in real-time, edit it right there, author a DVD and burn it, then have it "just work" when put in just about any old living room player.
For me it's Linux (or Solaris) on my servers, MacOS X on my desktop/laptop, and that's how I see things continuing for a good while. If I couldn't get Mac OS X, I expect that my next best experience for the stuff I mentioned above would be Windows XP, NOT Linux.
Sure, I can get most (all?) of these things to work on my Linux box, but it's too time-consuming. I tried. I think I gave up the last time I tried to find Freeamp. Oops, it's gone. Oh no, now it's Zinf. Ok, let's install that. Can't, it needs MusicBrainz. Fine, get that, oops it doesn't build. Next thing you know I'm pondering autoconf and M4 macros. I could fix that shit too, but I have better things to do with my time.
What are they? Well, you know, wife, daughter, job, and when it comes to supporting free software, I run the server for Nick Atty's Canalplan AC service" - again, Linux is best on servers, in my opinion.
As I understand it, ash was written by Kenneth Almquist. I used to see his name on some of the Ada related mailing lists and newsgroups.
I have done the same thing. I turned the air blue when I thought I must have ruined the motherboard. It's the one time I ever praised my old blunt-tipped philips screwdriver...
That motherboard is still powering my webserver more than two years later.
Yeah, it was to have been called "Queer Ray for the Straight AI"
We can afford to pin some of our hopes on growth in Europe and developing countries and elsewhere, but Microsoft can't -- the time horizon on it is too long for a company whose big challenge is to keep beating revenue expectations every quarter in a market where they have 92% share (if they don't beat those expectations every quarter, their stock tanks, the option pyramid collapses, and it's game over).
Actually
- Microsoft has given up awarding stock options since it is or soon will be against GAAP (generally accepted accounting principles) and hence almost as if it were illegal.
- Microsoft's stock has already tanked going from a peak of around $60 (split adjusted) in 2000 fairly steadily downwards to approx $28 and change today.
- Developers are already leaving Redmond in appreciable numbers
Despite all this, Microsoft still appears to be doing ok - not about to go bust or anything.
I ran Pitfall 3D (the Playstation 1 version) on my PS2. It mostly worked fine. There were a few crashes and a few minor visual glitches, but I managed to complete the entire game. I'm not much of a gamer, so I found it quite a challenge - the controls don't seem as well programmed as a game such as Jack and Daxter. Since my wife like the game on PS1, I appreciated the backwards compatibility.
Turbochargers : Can anyone explain the restriction in F1? Was it getting too dangerous?
1500bhp qualifying specials
"press here to overtake" buttons (boost control)
all kinds of unpleasant anti-competitive features for turbo-teams agaisnt non-turbo teams, none of which entertained the fans or reflected driver skill
Sorry to reply myself, but...
I missed a bit in haste. I meant to write "The current talk is about V8s and 2.5 liters - that's true, but if it happens it will only temporarily reduce the horsepower levels. The next frontier..."
F1 is brilliant, but they know they can't keep going as is. You hear crazy rumors all the time. One is that the V12s will get chucked, and everyone has to go to V8s. The spectacle and sound of a V12 revving at 19k RPM is amazing. THe cars will deafen you from 100 yards away.
The cars only have V10s already. V12s are long gone. They had 3.5 liter capacity a few years ago and that's down to 3 liters and speeds are up.
The next frontier seems to be either max revs (unlikely) or minimum engine numbers (if Ferrari, Honda, BMW etc had to make 100/year then they'd have to sell a good few - might cut overall costs and help the lesser teams).