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Daleks Exterminated From New Dr. Who
albino eatpod writes "The BBC are reporting that despite 'the very best deal possible,' a failure to agree terms between the BBC and the estate of late sci-fi writer Terry Nation has meant that we will not being seeing TV's most evil villains in the new series, starring Christopher Eccleston and Billy Piper."
This always happens when you have an estate controlling the interests of an artist or writer. Estate holders only consider the money side of things, but most artists alive wish only to impact the world, by sharing their life-blood with the public -- forget the bottom line. Either that, or the creative community is simply addicted to the process of creation that they don't recognize the business side of things as being very necessary or important. The spirit of art is passion, and sharing passion can make passion spread like a wildfire. I think that it's sacrilege for heirs of creative folks to block the art because of the almighty buck. Therefore, I too will miss our mighty Dalek overlords.
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Bah, they couldn't even climb a flight of stairs!
Ho hum.
I have a sneaking suspicion that if the new show does well, and is renewed, the Nation estate and the Beeb will suddenly discover their strong mutual interest in reviving the flow of money from Dalek merchandising.
(Can someone explain to me how it is that Nation's estate personally own the Daleks? Didn't he write those scripts on spec for the BBC?)
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they eliminated the "fu manchu" klingons at some point too
What how can it be? they must be lying! there is'nt anything more frightening than a Dalek!
Man, the world is doomed when people(1) write things like that one..
(1) using 'people' instead of 'idiots' to avoid the mod-down thing I'm so afraid of
The Daleks were one of the things that kept me going back for more, time and again, from Dr. Who.
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That and the short skirts of the companions too, of course, but
You *CAN'T* call it Dr. Who if he's not battling the Daleks. Daleks are like, undeniably part of Dr. Who.
Would you have put up with Star Wars without Darth?
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The daleks trundling about would look pretty pathetic to modern kids.
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In some ways it is for the best. It hold back the progression of a TV series if all you do is recreate yet another encounter with the Daleks.
Perhaps something along the lines of the Borg could be used. The cybermen but a lot more evil. I'm sure someone must have some good ideas.
There might not be Daleks right now, but I gaurantee you that if Dr. Who becomes a hit, the Beeb will gladly pony up the cash to the Nation estate for rights to the Daleks.
Personally, there are few Dalek stories I like (Genesis, Day of, the 7th Doctor one) so I'm glad to see they won't be returning. I tend to prefer non-recurring villans.
In the new version, Davros puts the Dalek bioplasm into Roombas. Exterminate! Exterminate! Exterminate all dirt in deep pile!
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Yes, her. It's been known for quite a while now. What's it like living under a rock anyway?
I think we've already got more than enough of the Daleks in reruns. They may be the number one bad guys, and rather popular with the fanbase, but they're hardly integral to the series like Gallifrey and the Time Lords (and Earth!) are. Time to move on to other bad guys and other problems with time and space. I'd rather see more of The Brigadier, even though I know he's getting a bit on in the years.
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Actually, money isn't behind this fallout. Basically, when Terry Nation died, he was pissed of at the BBC, and pretty much didn't want them to have the Daleks under most circumstances. So I'm not surprised that the estate is being picky.
As for the new show, I don't think the lack of Daleks will really hurt it. If you watch the old shows, they had a pretty big variety of popular villians. The Daleks didn't appear in most episodes. The BBC still has lots of other classic villians they can use, like cybermen, autons, the Black Guardian, and the Master, who was always popular. They also had some great baddies that were only on for one storyline, like Sutekh or the Tractators. Really, though, they should also be making up new villians and characters as well, not just using old ones.
I wonder if they will bring back the Cybermen, or skip it in worry that it would pale in comparison to the borg.
Other than that, I can't think of any major villan race that would have the potential to be broughtr back.
Maybe the Sontarans? If so, give them bigger looking guns. I always thought they should have a magazine that clips underneath it.
Sad about the Daleks though, that was one villan race that was so incredibly well-tied to the Doctor Who series.
Just please don't let the series have any resemblence to the 1996 FOX movie. The only thing it had in common with the series was Sylvester McCoy.
Maybe they could get permission to use the Borg. Short ones. With wheels instead of legs. And with annoying voices. "You will be assimilated! Assimilate! Assimilate!"
What's scarier than an evil half-chicken, half-skunk?!?
Who needs the Daleks? I'm sure they can get Darph Nader from Hardware Wars at half the price.
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For a series that old I'd have taken whatever money was offered. In another 10-20 years most the people who know about it will be dead and the brand name will have zero value.
Well... thats it then. We might as well all pack up and go home.
The Daleks are as good as patented.
What I want to know though is... do they know that?
I can remember, as a young lad, cowering behind the sofa on a saturday afternoon.
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I don't know but I read that there'd be a remake of soem tv serie : Doctor Who.
Here's the closest clue of what Dr Who is I have.
And here's a Java port of the game Daleks which I used to practice on my Atari ST.
So I guess it's about robots and retro-sci-fi.
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...at this site and I can see Dr. Who's problem. Without the Daleks, what new peril's will Dr. Who face if he's matched against a villian that could chase him up a ladder or through a narrow passage? If I ran the estate of Terry Nation I'd come to terms with the BBC before the BBC realizes "TV's most evil villians" are a cross between a shuttlecock and a salt shaker.
erm... except that there were no daleks before Doctor Who. There blatanty was with elves and dwarves.....
Oh comon, we're not missing out on much. The Daleks were rubbish. This isn't to troll, it's simply giving my opinion that these Daleks were the worst "villains" I could comprehend, you can't even watch to laugh AT the programming for too long because you grow so bored.
I for one am happy this has fallen through, I'd hate to see the BBC waste money on such dead-and-buried shows.
It's a nice, romantic view but it isn't the case here. Terry Nation had a serious falling out with the BBC over control and payments, and continually refused the BBC permission to use them. I believe various other monsters are involved as well - a true Whovian will be able to fill the details in here, as opposed to myself who just watches the programmes on cable sometimes.
Plus, the BBC doesn't have a very good record with Daleks. There aren't very many working models left, and when the BBC borrowed one from the Dr Who Exhibition in Llangollen (now back in Blackpool after god know's hoow many years) they managed to damage it.
Nope, I'm not at all surprised by this decision. And to be honest, I'm not all bothered either. It would be nice for a bit of continuity I suppose, but really I'm sure they can find more villians to go up against.
More worrying to me is the idea of 50 minute stand-alone episodes, rather than maybe half-hour installments that you had before. I really feel they need to keep the cliffhangers that used to typify the series.
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I think the guy who created (Not really kiddies) the Daleks, had a major fallout with the BBC over using them.
What you said may be true, but perhaps they are acting on the deceased wishes? Does anyone know anymore?
Estate holders only consider the money side of things, but most artists alive wish only to impact the world, by sharing their life-blood with the public -- forget the bottom line.
I thought most artist's work was zero until they died, then the value would shoot up. I've always gotten the sense that most artists would love to make a buck off their work in life rather than having it all go to their kids. Why shouldn't the kids think about the money first?
Actually, from what I read of the article, it sounded like "editorial control" and not money was the problem. I could see the BBC wanting to do something different with the Daleks and saying "No" thats not how Daleks should be. I'd rather them just come up with more evil bad guys. Come on the universe is big. It can have more than a half dozen regular bad guy species.
Given that the Dalek's were robots(they were wern't they?) wouldn't the BBC be liable for copyright infrigment if they attempted to recreate the Dalek Software?
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A Dr. Who remake without Daleks is like a Showgirls remake without nudity. Or with acting.
I mean look at their track record, after Davros was introduced they were reduced to the level of galactic criminals and pests, not the all conquering ruthless invaders we feared from the show's first decade.
Fanboys will prolly argue that in Genesis OFTD, where Davros was introduced, the Time Lords asked the Doctor to interfere to hamstring their development. He succeeded only too well. As long as Davros was around he caused so much internal strife among the Daleks, culminating in a civil war, that they realy were just shadows of their former selves.
So we've lost the Daleks but gained Billy Piper. I think I can live with that ....
Rabidly following Billie Piper, how that's another story!
And in other news, it's reported that the next season's installment will do away with the doctor.
Said BBC spokesperson R. U. Nutts, "We feel that this will increase the quality of the production, and bring a more balanced product to the audience."
There's no words on what will replace the doctor, although speculations are that BBC is in negotiations with EMI Films Ltd. about aquiring rights to incorporate sword wielding immortal scotsmen and evil guys in bird costumes.
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Unless the Delaks have learnt to navigate stairs is there any place for them in a 21st century sci-fi?
Or are all the future city councils so pc that all stairs have been banned and replaced by ramps?
Daleks are to ROBOTS as Gandalf is to WIZARD. That is the proper analogy. They can use a different type of robot with no permission, but Tolkien estate DOES own Gandalf and the rights to use him.
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Once again, the BBC screws-up Dr. Who...
If we can't have Daleks, then my wishlist of featured bad guys includes:
1. Cybermen
2. The Master
3. Sontarans
4. Autons
5. Ice Warriors
Also, I'd love to see a return of historical stories, ones that reference Earth's history. These used to be fairly common for the first and second Doctors, (eg, The Reign Of Terror) but the latter Doctors almost always didn't have any such adventures (although the fifth Doctor did inadvertantly start the Great Fire of London in 1666 at the conclusion of The Visitation).
To be honest, losing the Daleks (for now) is a blow but as villains they were pretty one-dimensional. I'm far more concerned about the casting of Billie Piper as the Doctor's assistant. I thought we'd all learnt from the Bonnie Langford mistake.
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Why not have Billie's other half Chris Evans as a dalek. He looks like one, he makes about as much sense as one.. dunno if his extermination gun is as big though..
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It'd be really slick if this wound it's way to being a part of their creative common's archive. Maybe a bit early to hope for yet, but still..
Its also bad for any reruns.
Here in australia the ABC (government owned Free To Air station) has been replaying all of Dr Who right from the very first episode on up. So far, they have skipped stories and episodes that are missing or incomplete. But they have also had to skip a fair few dalek episodes (War Games is one story they had to skip for some dalek-related reason) due to this greed.
I think this would be a perfect example for that lawsuit thino about copyright mentioned a while back where they talked about things like out-of-print books that you cant get because the copyright holder with you and etc.
I hear the estate wanted $10 per Dalek, minimum purchase of a 250 Dalek invasion force.
On the other hand, 1 Doctor at $25 made more sense, thus we'll be seeing him in probably every movie. He comes cheap. The Doctor's sexy lady friend sidekicks charge "standard lady friend rates" and work by the hour; thus we'll probably have a different female sidekick every film as the older ones are discarded like used coffee cups, just like the series.
So instead of evil garbage cans on wheels, the bad guy in this movie will be the Talking Speaker Phone Box from Charlie's Angels (the series, not the movies); it also only costs $25, batteries not included. As the Voice Of Charlie says, "It's the economy, stupid." The Voice Of Charlie will merely threaten the Doctor, but have no physical ability to actually harm anyone, which leads some fans to speculate Doctor Who may become a horrific British musical, the damage of which even time travel will not be able to undo.
And instead of a long scarf, the Doctor has been downgraded to two shoelaces tied together in a jaunty way.
I'm not normally an irrational zealous dickhead, but I figure "When in Rome..."
Daleks are so 20th century! - today's audience deserves some monsters that are truly horrifying and 'relevant' - such as.....
A giant talking paperclip which threatens to accumulate the stored knowledge of humankind and refuse access without a licence payment upon pain of a dreaded 'blue screen' death ray.
Back then lawyers were nice cudly things, and evil media empires (which the BBC isn't, anyway) didn't have the thumbscrews on so tight.
I believe for BBC shows older than a certain date, they actually have to pay the actors more money when they re-run them or release them on DVD.
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I was never that intimidated by the whole 'washing machine with a pea-shooter' thing anyway. Now k9 on the other hand, that was just creepy!
The real question for me is will the new series have that wonderful "cheap" look that endeared many of us with the old one. Seriously, Dr. Who was what I'd watch to let my hair down after Star Trek. The cheesy sets were part of the fun, and left some room for the story to be more than it often is in the sfx laden features we have today. This is somewhat analogous to the old 8-bit video games days,when the gameplay had to be king because the hardware was so weak by today's standards.
In any case, I'll miss those shrill screams of "Exterminate! Exterminate!! EX-TER-MI-NATE!!!"
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What's worse: it's apparently true. Crazy fucking Brits.
Another one bites the dust
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Hrm, well, the Timelords and Gallifrey didn't even exist up until the very last story of the 2nd Doctor, and most of the history of Gallifrey was fleshed out even later in the mid 70s and the 1980s.
Actually, the BBC shifted their entire audio drama range to an alternate universe where there was no Gallifrey or Time Lords, leaving the Doctor as a mysterious wanderer as he originally was.
So I'd actually say Gallifrey and the Timelords aren't integral to the whole idea at all. Doctor Who is a very different beast to something like Babylon 5 or even modern Trek: it has resisted all attempts to force any real continuity onto it. [*]
[*] I suppose that's true of modern Trek, if one is counting "Enterprise", which has deliberately dumped continuity too.
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Terry Nation may own the Daleks, but how about Kaled Mutants (the organic part of a Dalek, for those who don't know). They could skitter around like that hideous creature in the Basket Case movies.
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Heh, the Borg are a rip off of Doctor Who's the Cybermen, who were introduced in 1965 IIRC.
The Cybermen were once human but had gradually replaced their body parts with more and more machines. They were cold, logical and emotionless and they went around the universe looking for more humans to convert into Cybermen just like themselves.
In fairness the Borg had the whole hive mind concept (at least until that stupid Borg Queen idea ruined it) and their special effects were about 10,000% better, but the basic idea was suspiciously similar.
2nd most famous Doctor Who villan after the Daleks, and frankly a lot more interesting. Of course, the trouble now is that most people are more familiar with the Borg, so if Doctor Who tries to use its own idea it'll have to be careful that people don't think its ripping off Star Trek. Sheesh!
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That it would take *lawyers* to defeat the Daleks!
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Maybe someone is secretly laying the groundwork for the Daleks when they come.
Maybe they are already here...
Great! I'll get to work on the skins. I'll start with an Orkin man. Exterminate! Exterminate!
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Thats like taking the stormtroopers out of Star Wars... How many kids had nightmares about those creepy things...
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The new series WILL have a new villian 'tho...the writers are undecided as to whether they should be called Baleks or Berg, but they'll be cyborganic critters hellbent on the destruction of The 13 Coloni^h^h^h^h^h The Federation of pla^h^h^h^h^h^h^h Earth!
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1. Daleks COULD go up stairs. In the 7th Doctor story, "Rememberence of the Daleks", they demonstrated that the Daleks had invented some type of anti-gravity propulsion system giving them JUST enough power to climb stairs but not enough to actually fly around..:)
2. MOST of the Dalek stories were completely retarded IMHO. You create a monster that is supposed to DEFINE *evil* yet can be (usually) fooled by having the Doctor or a companion throw a towel over their eye stalk. ugh!
I think "Genesis of the Daleks" was their last good story and that's only because of Tom Baker and Davros (I forgot the actor's name..Michael somebody I think..sorry).
If they were to be used again, as a Whovian I'm REALLY hoping that they re-create them in a vicious and sinister light. Goodbye retard plotholes, hello ultimate Evil!
I've been reading "The Hitchhiker", a biography of Douglas Adams. Douglas wrote 3-5 stories (one under a psuedonym, one he's uncredited...) and worked as an editor and script producer role for a year during Tom Baker's tenure.
Douglas hated dealing with the Dalek scripts, because "Terry would have a storyboard with people running down a hallway and explosions... I'd have to write a story out of it!"
BTW, Shada was only made because the BBC considered the Krikketmen script too silly. Silly. For a character that flies around the universe in a Police Box, has a robotic dog and offers jelly babies to people...
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What benefit is it to society to have copyright so long that the great grandchildren of the authors have say over the work?
Copyright should end at death, and be at most 30 years in length. 30 years seems like a reasonable amount of time to get money out of the monopoly on the expression of an idea.
Billie PIper (not Billy) is female, previously "famous" for trying to be the British Britney, she dropped out of pop stardom (ahem) after marrying Ginger Gobsh*te Radio DJ and TV Moghul Chris Evans. A few years later, she reinvented herself last year as an actress (she attended theatre school in her youth, not sure for certain, but possibly RADA) appearing in one of the BBC's acclaimed remakes of The Canterbury Tales.
I was sceptical, but I believe very much that it's important to make classic stories available and accessible to a new generation (OMG, I'm 27, and I'm talking about today's youth like they're somehow detached from me by an unscalable chasm), so I watched.
In short, she was excellent, as a singer, she was shocking beyond belief, her songs mind-mashing ("why d'you play those songs so loud? Because we want to, because we want to"), her voice grating. But my word, the girl can act, she had sensitivity and maturity beyond her years. The weird thing was that she played a singer, and can actually sing as well. What on earth did they do to her voice in post-production?
Bottom line? I think she's an excellent casting as the Doctor's assistant, she'll bring serious acting ability (which the role has been crying out for - think Bonnie Langford) and a cute smile that will nicely counter Christopher Eccleston's "thin-mouth" look. Bring her on!
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I guess he's before my time. I remember trying to watch episodes while waiting for Red Dwarf but I could never get into them.
Was I just too young at the time? Was the series really that great?
Didn't he time travel in a telephone booth?
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Why is it when I looked at a picture of the Daleks I thought they looked like r2d2 having a bad day?
C'mon, I'm supposed to be scared of a thing that looks like a giant salt-and-pepper shaker? Someone, please explain....
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great baddies that were only on for one storyline, like Sutekh
With the Eqyption-Aliens-bag guy thing.....why not contact the StarGate franchise and cut a deal?
Did anyone actually RTFA? To quote from this
"Mr Hancock accused the BBC of lying about the reasons a deal had not been made.
He said the BBC had tried to commission a cartoon series about gay Daleks for BBC Three.
He also said the corporation had allowed Warner Bros to use the Daleks in the recent movie Loony Tunes without consulting the Terry Nation estate.
"We want to protect the integrity of the brand," he said."
It's quite different, considering that Tolkien openly borrowed the elves and dwarves from assorted mythology (many of the names are lifted straight from Norse mythology for instance) while the Daleks was an original creation. But the rights to specific characters in Tolkiens works definitively belong to Tolkiens estate even if the general idea of elves and dwarves does not.
Didn't a quick hit from the sonic screwdriver diable a Dalek? How bad could they be?
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This always grates on me when I see stuff like this. I need an answer. Is the above correct usage of "are" or should it be "is"?
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Sorry. I really like Dr Who, but the Daleks never did it for me...
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What strikes me as odd is the concept of editorial control over a one dimentional grade-b supervillon that has been in our culture for over 40 years. Perhaps "Rememberence of the Daleks", an episode that has Davros fighting the the Supreme Dalek was ment to illistrate to us the fight for creative control over the future of the Daleks. The Orthadox Daleks born from Skaro's toxic enviroment with their desire to exterminate anything and everything in site, and the Neo-Davros Daleks without conscience or remorse and a geneticly implanted desire to enslave the universe and exterminate anything and everything in site.
What I find more peculiar is the very idea that anyone could "ruin the brand of the Daleks". Daleks are a b-class one dimentional supervillion with a very limited vocabulary. While Dalek is likely a trademark of Terry Nation, I don't honestly see how they could be considered to be a brand outside of Doctor Who. They are salt shakers that run around saying "exterminate" are are not likely to be licensed to anyone with the exception of Doctor Who. Keeping the integrity of a brand name is typicaly only important if you are selling a product, in this case a product that has only one customer.
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Shit, they've surrounded the place with speedbumps!
Granted, if I remember correctly they were rather single minded, but what if they created a new version of the Daleks?
Smaller, hovering, more advanced Daleks with the same styling as the original. (Admit it, when you see a regular tower with translucent blue panels doesn't you mind automatically think, "iMac"?)
Of course, the voice modules shouldn't be changed.
Tit for tat: the Dr early on explains how he conclusively and completely erased the Dalek timeline. Thereby, destroying the Nation estate's hopes of ever doing anything ever again with the Daleks. Of course, this wouldn't be nice, but it would send a strong signal to any other persons or estates controlling any other figures from the Dr. Who universe to play nice or else. Instead of the daleks how the Cybermen? I always felt they had a great deal of untapped potential. And maybe this time, they could be allowed some flexibility in the physical movements?
Daleks were washtubs. Trek raised the bar with the Borg -- they are the ne plus ultra of sci-fi technological villians now.
(Can someone explain to me how it is that Nation's estate personally own the Daleks? Didn't he write those scripts on spec for the BBC?)
The way the BBC does things (or did), if you're an employee of the BBC, your ideas belong to them. If you were hired by the BBC to do something specific (like write a script), then your ideas belong to you. This explains why Terry Nation (not a BBC employee) "owns" the Daleks and has made millions off them, while the guy who designed them, Raymond Cusick (a BBC employee), received only his BBC salary and hasn't received a penny of the royalties.
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I can hardly wait.
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Billy Piper as the Dr's companion? Well, maybe. My favorite was always Liz Sladen - she was cute as a button. Although Louise Jamison (Leela) wasn't bad - I had the pleasure of seeing her in person at a Dr. Who convention in San Francisco many years ago. Unlike a lot of stars, she was better-looking in person than on the screen. Had a lot of great set stories to tell about working with Tom Baker.
Just wondering, though - will we get to see more of the inside of the Tardis? Like where the Dr. and the "companion" sleep? Always wondered about that - those girls were real loyal to the Doc! Always wondered how long you could prolong an orgasm with the ability to control time!
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Well, I DO have various pictures of her on my hard drive.
/.'er, I do need to work for a living - however rarely I get the chance.
However, I have NOT been following the random actions of the BBC concerning Dr. Who.
When they produce an ACTUAL FILM, I will take note. You forget I used to watch the series twenty years ago. I've been waiting that long to see the "return of". I do have to breathe occasionally, you know, "under the rock" and all.
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Last time I saw her, she was a dwarf ("Total Recall"), so you'll forgive me if I was slow on the uptake. I do have a number of pictures of her on the ol' hard drive now - but not many. She simply isn't that big yet.
I agree, though, I've been waiting for a new Dr. Who for twenty years or so, so I'm hardly holding my breath or searching the Web for advance tickets.
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Aw, that sucks. "ainley" was the 'master password' that I hardcoded into my highschool's login program on RSTS/E back in 1985. Oh well.
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This looks a lot like negotiation through negative PR to me. We did something similar at my company when a client was being unreasonable. We told all of their customers that they wouldn't be getting our service anymore, and then let the people negotiate for us.
The sarcastic tone of the announcement sort of says "we don't need those silly daleks anyway," which is consistent with the idea that they're doing this for leverage.
I just looked up when she was confirmed to be the new companion.
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I've been "under a rock" for a whole month! Oh, my God!
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I also checked - I was wrong about her being in Total Recall. Oops! Don't know where I got that idea.
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You know, everyone (including me) likes to bemoan Hollywood's inability to have a "new" idea. :\
Apparently the same affliction exists at BBC and in Whoville.
So they can't use the Daleks. So? I like Dr. Who a lot, but they don't *have* to regurgitate all the old villians all the time. Personally, I think they're now rather anticlimactic - "oh, whew - it's just Daleks."
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I seriously doubt BBC America would carry the new show since it already does not show the old WHO, Blake's 7, or Red Dwarf. SciFi is now part of the combined NBC Universal, and it has shown with the reimagined Battlestar Galactica that it is willing to spend money on new programming.
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Seriously, The Master can take on all the Doctors at once! What a super villian! =)
Daleks created by an intelligent being versus evolving due to their surroundings... a debate that sounds oddly familiar.
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Hey now, Ace was no Perri (in terms of pure cleavage) or Romana (the brunette, YOW) but she was cute and knew her way around a bag of explosives, if I remember correctly.
The revolution will NOT be televised.
I don't know how many people have been following the 8th Doctor books the BBC publishes, but the Daleks were supposed to have been revealed in "Sometime Never" as the mysterious employers of Sabbath who were attempting to become the new Lords of Time.
As it is, negotiations fell through and they had to come up with brand-new villains(Council of Eight) who were a bit underwhelming after 2-3 years of building up the storyline.
I still liked Sometime Never but I can't help but think it would've been a greater book if they were allowed to use the villains they had been hinting at.
Can you editors make sure the bloody post has correct grammer and spelling. What the hell post was that? A god damn disgrace.
I'm not anti-microsoft. I'm anti-bullshit. Which means I'm anti-microsoft.
the estate of Terry Nation is composed of Daleks. They are tired of being cast as the bad guys, so they made an insane demand of creative control of the film/tv show. They wanted the Daleks seen as the good guys and Doctor Who as the bad guy who lures scantily clad young women into his TARDIS for who knows what?
;) Maybe they go after Doctor Who to learn how the TARDIS works, to use it as a weapon?
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I think that there may be a substitute, let us see what evil alien or robot bad guys are not being used much anymore, shall we?
Cylons, not from that Sci Fi channel show, the original ones. The ones that could not shoot the broad side of a barn, and could not fly a Cylon Raider properly even if there are three of them in the cockpit.
The Slayers from Krull, slow moving, dim-witted, and get taken out by a super Japanese throwing star named a Glave.
The Peacekeepers from FarScape. Well FarScape fans want to see more action and are made that the series was cancled. Using these aliens means no special make-up is required, just uniforms need to be made. They speak British anyway.
The Geldts from Red Dwarf. If I spelled it right. Doctor Who is captured with his companion, and told that he would die if he didn't marry the Geldts' leader's daughter. He marries, but grabs the Oxygen Generator his TARDIS needs to recycle air and runs. The Geldts chase him all over the galaxy.
Bring in Servalan and the Federation from Blake's Seven. New actress if you have to. It should prove interesting.
The robots from Ice Pirates, hey, enough said!
Borrow the Ferrengi from Star Trek, I haven't seen anything from them since Deep Space Nine went off the air.
Better yet, have Doctor Who run away from time travelling Lawyers who are trying to issue him a subpeona about the file sharing program he runs in his TARDIS computers.
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BBC: "Okay, have it your way - your off the show!"
Daleks (while getting shoved in the trash):"Waaaaiiiitttt a miiiinuuuute..."
[Now, I'm off to lift my le... Um, visit... at another place.]
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the parent post was refering to Star Wars. You know, the movie in which Han Solo shoots first, and the Death Star blows up with a ridiculous fireworks explosion. I'm NOT refering to the fictitious "Episode IV: A New Hope". You know, the one where Greedo shoots first, and there are creatures never seen before, and the Death Star has all these pretty special FX.
We have always been at war with Eurasia!
1. Many older fans don't want innovation or new things. They want comfort food for the soul. They want to be able to take refuge in the things of their youth. Punch the hot button on their emotional centers, wired up nicely from all the work they did reading, viewing, experiencing in their childhoods. Making new connections is hard work, especially with the much wider range of knowledge and experience they have available to filter stories through. When it is so much easier to see the shit, it's so much harder to bother looking. Finding good things to be motivated by is hard, because 'Good' is bloody rare. (I just finished watching the Firefly DVD set. That's good stuff!
2. The second type of audience is the one NOT looking for old thrills; they are looking for Firefly and new ideas.
So. .
This is not to say that revisiting Dr. Who is a bad idea. Either approach can be done in a successful way. If it's fresh enough and done with an honest intent to really explore and have fun rather than copy old successes, it could easily be a very exciting ride. While, as per Sam Raimi's Spider Man movies, which attempt primarily to be faithful to the originals, there are examples of how re-telling old stories can also work very well. --After all, there is a reason people once sat around the story teller and cried, "Tell it again!" Every society has its favorite myths.
I wonder how it will go with Dr. Who revisited. .
There are some extremely cool ideas which have only recently become available to our popular artists and which have not yet been properly explored, and which could be as explosive and fun as the first Matrix film. In much the way the last couple of Star Wars films could have blown the lid off today's society had they not sucked, Dr. Who could be dazzling. (Just watched the Phantom Edit again. . . Solid stuff. If only the Phantom Menace hadn't sucked, the world would have had a very powerful lesson in how corrupt fascist states can rise. --The methods used by Palpatine were actually more sophisticated and less 'Bruce Willis' than those employed by Bush!).
Anyway. . , Dr. Who could be a great delivery device for some sympathetic themes which the collective subconscious of the Human race would enthusiastically absorb, as it did with the Matrix. But we'll have to see what they come up with. My sense of jade says, "Suckage." But we'll see.
-FL
I think we need a thread for potential replacements for the Daleks.
My Idea for a new villian: a female time lord that likes to creatively meddle. Instead of the Master that is trying to control the universe, she goes around and "makes history neater." She either stops wars that should happen or she goes behind the Doctor and "fixes" his last epsiode so that history comes out the same. Either way, she should be a good time lord, but being a villian as far as humanity goes. (It could turn out that she was dumped by the doctor and she really hates him going all over time and space with all those other girls.)
The BBC are reporting
Are? Plural? What happened to "is"? Is the BBC like a Borg Collective these days?
(your answer may of course depend on your political perceptions of BBC reporting...)
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There have been a few appearances of Daleks outside of Doctor Who (although in many cases the Doctor Who label has been added after-the-fact).
Terry Nation wrote at least one Dalek story sans Doctor; I believe it was meant for kids. The company Big Finish has released two series (and is currently releasing a third) of audio dramas featuring the Daleks without the Doctor. There are of course countless cameos ranging from comedy shows to the classic '80s game "Paradroid").
More interesting to me is how much control Terry Nation's estate seems to exert over Dalek usage -- by all accounts of the time Dalek creation was a collaborative effort; much of what people think of when hearing the word "Dalek" had nothing to do with Terry Nation...
If anyone could be brought back!
The real George was cremated, not buried as Paul was..
When... you... have... twenty... five... minutes... to... fill... and... no... budget... Daleks... are... very... useful.
Seriously, Daleks are at best dull, at worst ridiculous. It's ludicrous that Terry Nation, a god-awful writer when compared with Who's greats like Robert Holmes (who as a script editor inclined to totally rewrite stories, made "Genesis of the Daleks" the classic it is), received so much acclaim for something that on paper was the standard evil alien out to conquer the universe.
The effectiveness of the Daleks in the 60's was due to the fact that they didn't look like a guy in a suit, and as others have observed, Nation was not responsible for that.
The BBC wanted to make some gay Daleks for a cartoon series. I applaud the estate for refusing.
I vividly remember being an eight year-old kid, screaming "EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!" into a large fan running full-blast in the living room. I thought it was the most brilliant special effect ever. Am I the only one??
The BBC wanted to make some gay Daleks for a cartoon series. I applaud the estate for refusing.
Why the hell not? Daleks are after all over 40 years old, and moved beyond cult status to cultural icon status. It would be like the Asimov estate trying to control the use of the laws of robotics. They could do it but they would be hindering the use of something that was a very good idea that in it self has no comercial value. I imagine one author could ruin the image of the laws of robotics (see i robot the film), but in the grand picture who gives a fark.
I feel that refusing gay Daleks does more to harm the image people have of Terry Nation then they could do to harm the Dalek trademark.
There is no sanctuary. There is no sanctuary. SHUT UP! There is no shut up. There is no shut up.
It's not a doppelganger...here's what really happened.
Oper on the Nightstar
Am I the only one who thought the Daleks were saying, "Inseminate!"
Debunking the "59 Deceits"
Sometimes, late at night, you may see a darlek if you wander arround the basement of Television Center.
... were mostly wiped and reused. Don't forget that at the time, media was very, very expensive and the shows were considered to be ephemeral. These days, when you can store 250 hours of video in far higher quality than the old Ampex tape machines on an 80 quid hard disk, it seems strange. Oh for a time machine and a portable DV deck...
No, no, no, you miss the point!
If they didn't have the income from their deceased significant other's estate they would be forced to promote themselves seriously, which means we would see far more of them.
Long copyright doesn't protect the ideas of dead celebrities, it protects us from the horror of live ones!
I think life insurance will take care of that problem instead of a copyright policy that fucks up society.
How can you not like Planet of the Daleks.
I mean it has a volcano, but it's an Ice Volcano.
I mean, what is kewler than an Ice Volcano.
um.... and that quick sequence that was used when the Pet Shop Boys sing "And you don't like rock."
um.... yea.
OK, I like Death to the Daleks better but I was mostly joking.
Destiny of the Daleks is probably my favorite, for among other reasons, having the single greatest one liner in television history: "Oh look! Rocks!"
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