I've been extremly happy with Dell's support. It appeards to depend on the level of your support contract. Maybe someone from Dell could comment, but it I've been extremely happy with Dell's support. It appears to depend on the level of your support contract. Maybe someone from Dell could comment, but it seems that depending on who you are and through what channel you used to buy your computer the support varies. I bought my Dell through EPP (Employee Purchase Plan) and therefore get enterprise level support. An earlier Gateway purchase through a regular over the phone sale resulted in less than satisfactory support experiences.
It appears Dell is playing a normal business strategy. Put their best people towards keeping their largest clients happy. Unfortunately those not on the list get slighted.seems that depending on who you are and through what channel you used to buy your computer the support varies. I bought my Dell through EPP (Employee Purchase Plan) and therefore get enterprise level support. An earlier Gateway purchase through a regular over the phone sale resulted in less than satisfactory support experiences.
It appears Dell is playing a normal business strategy. Put their best people towards keeping their largest clients happy. Unfortunately those not on the list get slighted.
This might be flame bait for some, but why are we so upset about companies wanting to keep their own image?
Of all things to fight about, it seems that the appearance of a desktop should be the least of our worries. If Apple wants to keep their Aqua desktop to themselves, fine. Let's be creative and make something better. There are many themes out there that rival Apple in functionality and appearance.
Then as a consumer, switch to another ISP if you don't like the choices of your own ISP. And when you leave Qwest make sure to let them know why you are leaving. Obviously Qwest is making 10% of their customers a test set, if appears succesful they will sell the rest of their customer base. If the switch turns out to be a failure for them, then they will be forced to reevaluate their relationship with Microsoft.
If you just grunt and wake up every morning signing onto a service you don't like and Qwest doesn't hear about it, they will continue to make more customers deal with MSN.
I tried to visit the page in Konqueror and got an 'Invalid Browser Configuration.' (http://my.netscape.com/shared/badbrowser.psp).
These notices are showing up at various places around the web. I guess they think writing things using w3c standards is too difficult in comparison to writing them for two browsers (IE 4/5.x and Netscape 4.x).
> I agree we shouldn't be "pushing" kids into science and engineering. Nothing could be worse.
I personally know of some students who are involved in FIRST who have other interests. I know of two people on my brother's FIRST team, one was studying to be a doctor another a teacher.
Also the team has a very natural and good dynamic to it. It allows parents and students across corporate culture (in this case, since the team is sponsored by DuPont, but the participants don't have to be related to DuPont employees) to come together to do something positive. Managers, mechanics, and business people all coming together to work on something together and outside of their normal corporate duties is really awesome to see.
As to the original question. I think as they see the value in participating they can and will. The DuPont sponsored team is open to all students of school's in the greater Wilmington area.
I did it. It took a little working to get the dependencies strait. I also had to redo the Ximian Gnome install. I was able to do the whole process without a reboot and without a crash. It is possible to go back and forth between Debian and Progeny, but would I recommend it, probably not.
For the most part I agree with your statements. I also have to agree with the previous two statements to a certain extent. The Bible indeed does not represent 'fact' in the scientific sense. But it does speak to ideologies and faiths. It provides me with a sense of conscience and faith that by doing good, good will come of it. I do not beleive in heaven going and many other normative Christian beliefs. I think that human destiny is here on earth and physical space. My goals are not to spend my life arguing over the minute, albeit important, details of how we came to be. Instead my major goal is to "Make The World Better."
It is imposible to ignore scientific evidence, but likewise it is impossible for me to ignore the spiritual realm as well. My thoughts change as new evidence appears, but my underlying principles remain. Sometimes evidence conflicts with my faith, which makes things difficult spiritually, but working out these conflicts is a worthwhile exersize.
To summarize my current thoughts:
- The Bible and possibly other works are divinely inspired and describe the human spirit.
- Portions of the Bible are suspect to human alteration for self serving purposes. I try not to fall into the same trap of using it in like fashion.
- I will not know the truth until I am able to have direct contact with the Creator.
- The Bible is largely about as you mentioned social behaviors (Love thy God...) and provided a basis for social interactions and provided the law for the Israelites and by extension through the Jesus community, Christians.
- The Bible today functions for me as a point of inspiration, guidance, and faith. Through it I obtain a better understanding of humanity, self, and life.
Thanks for your responses. I enjoy discusing these issues.
I am a creationist (possibly not in the strictest sense, ie. ignore evidence to the contrary). It has caused me a lot of difficulty over the past few years trying to weigh the balance between evidence of both sides (creation, evolution, theology, science...). Pursuit of truth is a lifelong process for me and I am trying to keep as open an outlook on things as possible. There is no question in my mind that power(s) exist beyond the realm of the human experience. The one thing that keeps me from taking the Bible or scientific evidence for absolute fact is that it has been translated and transformed by humans regardless of its origin (lab experiments or spiritual revelation) possibly in a self-serving way. Creationism in my mind at least stays fixed (although some people wish to adapt it to current thought, scientific creationism...), based upon the Bible, Evolution seems unstable and follows the latest scientific fads (big-bang, genome...). Will we spend the next 100 years trying to figure out our origin to find the Bible was right? Or will we find that the Bible has no more foundation than its message is accepted by a large portion of society? I hope that we as humans continue to pursue these questions and not jump to conclusions that block intellectual and spiritual growth.
I'm pretty sure that Dell, Compaq, IBM, etc. will sell the subscription for a one to three year license with each computer they sell. Requiring users to put a CD and send their credit card number to Microsoft will not work. It will be a loss for both Microsoft and hardware distributors.
Instead you are likely going to be able to chose a bundle of software based on your user category (home, developer, small business, enterprise) and pay for a 1-3 year subscription, like a magazine.
Other applications may be available in a Red Carpet like fashion.
Of course as far as I'm concerned, I'd rather stick with Linux. And hopefully Linux will be ready to provide similar services in less time and in a standards based fashion. That's why Ximian, Eazel, etc. should all work together in creating an installer architecture. The OpenSource community and companies need to make it easy for companies to leverage their solutions. We aren't there yet, but in the 5 years I've been using Linux we have come a long way in that direction.
I have been using Telemetry Linux 1.0 for almost a week now to monitor an ISP. So far I like what I see. It is also good for things like port scanning to find vunerabilities, but it will also monitor most of the services it finds. In other words, it is self-configuring for your network.
Overall, I'm impressed. It is a nice bundle and only takes 15 minutes to install (if you have fairly standard hardware).
For filesystem calls Minix. Linux make a good study, but difficult for assignments. MS does not seem to share its code for study. We used win32 and Linux to learn networking calls (a few people used Solaris instead of Linux, left about 20 hung processes on our main Solaris server).
Internet2 connection is cool.
Purdue University is cool.
But it appears the server is getting too much load. Looks like I'm going to have to find another mirror.
For that you have to get someone to speak from Progeny Linux Systems.;-)
It happens. I had a similar problem this year with a person who was going to speak to IEEE/ACM members. Lehigh overburdens us and we tend to forget what is important.
ESR spoke here at Lehigh last year. We'll certainly welcome him back if he wants to speak again, but we don't want to hoard him. He gave a 2 hour talk and drew a decent crowd. One advantage for us, is he only lives just over an hour away from Lehigh.
The timing could not be better. On page A16 of the New York Times and articles in many other Newspapers there is an article, "Clinton Focuses on Access Of Disabled to Computers." These efforts are in part geared towards those are unable to type. With $16 million in grant money it would be cool to see at least part of this money going toward Linux based solutions for people with disabilities.
I agree wholeheartedly with your perspective. I also would be placed in the naive category as someone who thought originally that people do what they enjoy and aren't chancing after $s. I have been interested in computers since I laid my hands on an Apple IIc in elementary school in the mid-80's.
Anyway, a classmate of mine and myself have looked at two trends in utter disgust: 1) our classmates are in it for the money, 2) finding a good company with solid ethics is getting harder. We simply want to work for a living, make decent money, doing a decent days work (maybe a bit more than that). Right now the only alternative seems to be start a business ourselves, build it on the foundations that others have mentioned previously and hope that the 10% of the graduating population like us will seek us out and join in our efforts.
It is a shame as a college Junior having to say to myself "don't become bitter [about the way things are in the job market]."
Anything else I would add would be redundant.
Kudos to Slashdot for making this discussion possible and to all those who have added to it.
From what I've heard from users of Pro-E, it has been commonly observed that there is a performance decrease between using it on the Solaris or other Unix boxes versus Windows.
Also, I was under the impression that all Unix development of Pro-E has stopped, and that all future releases are now NT. I personally think for mid-sized firms and even larger firms like (decided to delete the company name, CAD product choice may be inside stuff) would welcome a Linux version to get that good ole performance back up.
Also, I've received quite a few inquiries over the past few weeks asking if a Linux version of Auto-CAD, and other packages were available for Linux. There does seem to be an interest out there.
Slashdot Mirror
I've been extremly happy with Dell's support. It appeards to depend on the level of your support contract. Maybe someone from Dell could comment, but it I've been extremely happy with Dell's support. It appears to depend on the level of your support contract. Maybe someone from Dell could comment, but it seems that depending on who you are and through what channel you used to buy your computer the support varies. I bought my Dell through EPP (Employee Purchase Plan) and therefore get enterprise level support. An earlier Gateway purchase through a regular over the phone sale resulted in less than satisfactory support experiences.
It appears Dell is playing a normal business strategy. Put their best people towards keeping their largest clients happy. Unfortunately those not on the list get slighted.seems that depending on who you are and through what channel you used to buy your computer the support varies. I bought my Dell through EPP (Employee Purchase Plan) and therefore get enterprise level support. An earlier Gateway purchase through a regular over the phone sale resulted in less than satisfactory support experiences.
It appears Dell is playing a normal business strategy. Put their best people towards keeping their largest clients happy. Unfortunately those not on the list get slighted.
This might be flame bait for some, but why are we so upset about companies wanting to keep their own image?
Of all things to fight about, it seems that the appearance of a desktop should be the least of our worries. If Apple wants to keep their Aqua desktop to themselves, fine. Let's be creative and make something better. There are many themes out there that rival Apple in functionality and appearance.
Then as a consumer, switch to another ISP if you don't like the choices of your own ISP. And when you leave Qwest make sure to let them know why you are leaving. Obviously Qwest is making 10% of their customers a test set, if appears succesful they will sell the rest of their customer base. If the switch turns out to be a failure for them, then they will be forced to reevaluate their relationship with Microsoft.
If you just grunt and wake up every morning signing onto a service you don't like and Qwest doesn't hear about it, they will continue to make more customers deal with MSN.
I tried to visit the page in Konqueror and got an 'Invalid Browser Configuration.' (http://my.netscape.com/shared/badbrowser.psp).
These notices are showing up at various places around the web. I guess they think writing things using w3c standards is too difficult in comparison to writing them for two browsers (IE 4/5.x and Netscape 4.x).
> I agree we shouldn't be "pushing" kids into science and engineering. Nothing could be worse.
I personally know of some students who are involved in FIRST who have other interests. I know of two people on my brother's FIRST team, one was studying to be a doctor another a teacher.
Also the team has a very natural and good dynamic to it. It allows parents and students across corporate culture (in this case, since the team is sponsored by DuPont, but the participants don't have to be related to DuPont employees) to come together to do something positive. Managers, mechanics, and business people all coming together to work on something together and outside of their normal corporate duties is really awesome to see.
As to the original question. I think as they see the value in participating they can and will. The DuPont sponsored team is open to all students of school's in the greater Wilmington area.
http://www.moerobotics.org/
That works rather well. Many technology companies could simply replace Ximian with their own company name.
I did it. It took a little working to get the dependencies strait. I also had to redo the Ximian Gnome install. I was able to do the whole process without a reboot and without a crash. It is possible to go back and forth between Debian and Progeny, but would I recommend it, probably not.
Subscription required. That stinks.
For the most part I agree with your statements. I also have to agree with the previous two statements to a certain extent. The Bible indeed does not represent 'fact' in the scientific sense. But it does speak to ideologies and faiths. It provides me with a sense of conscience and faith that by doing good, good will come of it. I do not beleive in heaven going and many other normative Christian beliefs. I think that human destiny is here on earth and physical space. My goals are not to spend my life arguing over the minute, albeit important, details of how we came to be. Instead my major goal is to "Make The World Better."
It is imposible to ignore scientific evidence, but likewise it is impossible for me to ignore the spiritual realm as well. My thoughts change as new evidence appears, but my underlying principles remain. Sometimes evidence conflicts with my faith, which makes things difficult spiritually, but working out these conflicts is a worthwhile exersize.
To summarize my current thoughts:
- The Bible and possibly other works are divinely inspired and describe the human spirit.
- Portions of the Bible are suspect to human alteration for self serving purposes. I try not to fall into the same trap of using it in like fashion.
- I will not know the truth until I am able to have direct contact with the Creator.
- The Bible is largely about as you mentioned social behaviors (Love thy God...) and provided a basis for social interactions and provided the law for the Israelites and by extension through the Jesus community, Christians.
- The Bible today functions for me as a point of inspiration, guidance, and faith. Through it I obtain a better understanding of humanity, self, and life.
Thanks for your responses. I enjoy discusing these issues.
I am a creationist (possibly not in the strictest sense, ie. ignore evidence to the contrary). It has caused me a lot of difficulty over the past few years trying to weigh the balance between evidence of both sides (creation, evolution, theology, science...). Pursuit of truth is a lifelong process for me and I am trying to keep as open an outlook on things as possible. There is no question in my mind that power(s) exist beyond the realm of the human experience. The one thing that keeps me from taking the Bible or scientific evidence for absolute fact is that it has been translated and transformed by humans regardless of its origin (lab experiments or spiritual revelation) possibly in a self-serving way. Creationism in my mind at least stays fixed (although some people wish to adapt it to current thought, scientific creationism...), based upon the Bible, Evolution seems unstable and follows the latest scientific fads (big-bang, genome...). Will we spend the next 100 years trying to figure out our origin to find the Bible was right? Or will we find that the Bible has no more foundation than its message is accepted by a large portion of society? I hope that we as humans continue to pursue these questions and not jump to conclusions that block intellectual and spiritual growth.
I'm pretty sure that Dell, Compaq, IBM, etc. will sell the subscription for a one to three year license with each computer they sell. Requiring users to put a CD and send their credit card number to Microsoft will not work. It will be a loss for both Microsoft and hardware distributors.
Instead you are likely going to be able to chose a bundle of software based on your user category (home, developer, small business, enterprise) and pay for a 1-3 year subscription, like a magazine.
Other applications may be available in a Red Carpet like fashion.
Of course as far as I'm concerned, I'd rather stick with Linux. And hopefully Linux will be ready to provide similar services in less time and in a standards based fashion. That's why Ximian, Eazel, etc. should all work together in creating an installer architecture. The OpenSource community and companies need to make it easy for companies to leverage their solutions. We aren't there yet, but in the 5 years I've been using Linux we have come a long way in that direction.
I have been using Telemetry Linux 1.0 for almost a week now to monitor an ISP. So far I like what I see. It is also good for things like port scanning to find vunerabilities, but it will also monitor most of the services it finds. In other words, it is self-configuring for your network.
Overall, I'm impressed. It is a nice bundle and only takes 15 minutes to install (if you have fairly standard hardware).
At Lehigh we use three Operating Systems:
Linux
Win32 (NT/98)
Minix
For filesystem calls Minix. Linux make a good study, but difficult for assignments. MS does not seem to share its code for study. We used win32 and Linux to learn networking calls (a few people used Solaris instead of Linux, left about 20 hung processes on our main Solaris server).
Try Debian. Its the distro that finally got me off the monthly distro cycle. apt-get does that for me.
Internet2 connection is cool.
Purdue University is cool.
But it appears the server is getting too much load. Looks like I'm going to have to find another mirror.
+ the Lehigh Valley Linux Users Group (LVLUG). Not a bad idea. Thanks.
-LuFOG member
For that you have to get someone to speak from Progeny Linux Systems. ;-)
It happens. I had a similar problem this year with a person who was going to speak to IEEE/ACM members. Lehigh overburdens us and we tend to forget what is important.
ESR spoke here at Lehigh last year. We'll certainly welcome him back if he wants to speak again, but we don't want to hoard him. He gave a 2 hour talk and drew a decent crowd. One advantage for us, is he only lives just over an hour away from Lehigh.
-LuFOG member
Funny you should say that. He is Friday night, but 5 miles from the Lehigh campus. Bus service will be provided for students who wish to attend.
The timing could not be better. On page A16 of the New York Times and articles in many other Newspapers there is an article, "Clinton Focuses on Access Of Disabled to Computers." These efforts are in part geared towards those are unable to type. With $16 million in grant money it would be cool to see at least part of this money going toward Linux based solutions for people with disabilities.
Check it out online at: http://www.nytimes.com/200 0/09/22/technology/22CLIN.html (Free registration required)
I agree wholeheartedly with your perspective. I also would be placed in the naive category as someone who thought originally that people do what they enjoy and aren't chancing after $s. I have been interested in computers since I laid my hands on an Apple IIc in elementary school in the mid-80's.
Anyway, a classmate of mine and myself have looked at two trends in utter disgust: 1) our classmates are in it for the money, 2) finding a good company with solid ethics is getting harder. We simply want to work for a living, make decent money, doing a decent days work (maybe a bit more than that). Right now the only alternative seems to be start a business ourselves, build it on the foundations that others have mentioned previously and hope that the 10% of the graduating population like us will seek us out and join in our efforts.
It is a shame as a college Junior having to say to myself "don't become bitter [about the way things are in the job market]."
Anything else I would add would be redundant.
Kudos to Slashdot for making this discussion possible and to all those who have added to it.
From what I've heard from users of Pro-E, it has been commonly observed that there is a performance decrease between using it on the Solaris or other Unix boxes versus Windows.
Also, I was under the impression that all Unix development of Pro-E has stopped, and that all future releases are now NT. I personally think for mid-sized firms and even larger firms like (decided to delete the company name, CAD product choice may be inside stuff) would welcome a Linux version to get that good ole performance back up.
Also, I've received quite a few inquiries over the past few weeks asking if a Linux version of Auto-CAD, and other packages were available for Linux. There does seem to be an interest out there.
Jason.