Well, I never liked clean air, safe (relative to the job - mining will always be more dangerous than an office job, but the danger can still be reduced to an extent) work conditions/environments, child labor laws, or the ability to have more free time than the average gilded age worker, anyway.
Left leaning candidates will happily ruin the nation, because the worse things are, the more justifications for radical policies. Who wants to open the borders wide and let the entire world into America, with voting rights the moment they set foot on our soil? The left. Are you saying that Bernie is going to expel the foreigners and thereby create several million new jobs for Americans? Jeez that's some serious Nazi shit right there.
Why don't you ask people who used to live in hard left regimes how they feel about the kind of government you advocate? What do you think they would say?
You speak of AUTHORITARIAN LIBERALS, however Senator Sanders is a LIBERTARIAN LIBERAL.
Authoritarians of ALL stripes are usually pretty terrible, not that libertarian liberals or libertarian conservatives can't do bad work either.
Everything you've mentioned are explicitly ILLEGAL according to state AND federal laws.
Doxxing is often abused as a term - if you're famous, you can't exactly be doxxed. But it also often implies or even outright states some intent for others to do something horrible to the people that are being mentioned in the doxxing. Illegal.
They're going beyond simply removing what was already illegal and needed to be removed/banned, they're removing subreddits and people with ideas that are slightly different or counter to what the administrators and moderators believe.
No one really knew about "Fatpeoplehate" until they made it into a big fucking deal, all I know about it is that it was a subreddit that made fun of overweight people, and mocked the (now twisted) body image movement that has gone from stopping the shaming of obese people to trying to redefine what is medically healthy for the average individual to something that may not be healthy.
Why are you SO invested in this? I've seen you constantly commenting, along with Poperatzo and serviscope_mirror, you're not actually helping people with real body image issues, or real weight problems, or people dealing with actual (physical/emotional) abuse, nor are you helping anyone whom is actually trying to alleviate the problems so many various peoples suffer.
You're so invested in the idea, whether inadvertently or not, that non-white male heterosexuals are delicate flowers that will wilt and die without your help, that are perpetually the victim and never anything else. It is more hilarious when these same types of people, like you, lump ALL white people in as one "identity" when you ignore thousands of years of human history of people of the same damn skin color hating each other for trivial differences, of peoples of different regions but similar skin colors having their own histories and problems.
You're either a GNAA troll, or you're drowning in the kool aid that the authoritarian left are giving out so freely. Eventually, the authoritarian right will be ascendant (again), what will you do then? Not that I want ANY authoritarians to have power... Since I'm using labels, libertarian liberals and libertarian conservatives are always better in my mind. But seriously, are you going to double-down and be more of an "underdog" than before, or will you "switch sides" so to speak, to continue to attack from a position of authority?
You know, extrapolating from almost nothing into a mountain the size of Olympus Mons is not good when anyone does it to make someone look like something they aren't even sure if.. that is what they even are.
You sound like someone who tries too hard to look like you support justice and equality.
Reminds me of bad dubs of anime, you're just as bad as that.
It's been the overall narrative, whether they intended it or not, given by a lot of the yellow journalists and ideologues of third-wave feminism. Well, maybe CONFUSED ideologues of third-wave feminism, but then some people would rather win at any cost (even a pyrrhic victory), than lose.
There is only the God-Emperor, and He is our Shield and Protector.
Without Him, we are nothing.
With Him, we wield His Will as our torch; with it, we destroy the shadows.
(Although seriously I'm an apathetic atheist that finds the idea of deities immaterial to living and doesn't care if people believe or don't, unless they try to convert me and annoy me, then I'll ask them, politely, to stop).
But I never equated "Social Justice Warrior" with "Pedoterrorist".
YOU are the one doing that, when I've been saying they're the ones writing their own versions of the malleus maleficarum and going on witchhunts for people -suspected- of sexism/misogyny/discrimination.
You have yet to address that point, unless you think mob justice (usually controlled by emotions and people getting "caught up in the moment") is a good thing?
She wasn't a "SJW", she was actually trying to help effect change in an environment in which women are not only oppressed, but it is distinctly easily visible in most, if not all, walks of life in Pakistan (and other countries with an Islamic majority that isn't too opposed to Sharia law).
SJW's are usually trust fund babies and well-off morons that got bored with collecting tangible things and began collecting stories of oppression as bling. They're charlatans and ideologues, profit mongers and zealots.
Ms. Sabeen Mahmud was far closer to Mahatma Gandhi than any "Social Justice Warrior" (who often, without a shred of humility, compare themselves to Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Mahatma Gandhi, Malcolm X, or hell (I've yet to see them mention her but she fought for women's rights) Theodora the Empress alongside Emperor Justinian I of the Byzantine Empire).
"Wow so they really are the pedoterroristcommunists of the internet! So an SJW is someone responsible for all the evils of the last 50 years? Is that your definition?"
No, they were the ones who ENGAGED IN WITCHHUNTS for those bogeymen. But it's not as in vogue these days to hunt for any of those unless you're with the govt.
"OOOkay, now you're just making up the most insane shit you can think of and attributing it to an evil bogeyman called 'SJW'. Do you even hear yourself?"
A real civil rights activist would, for example, fight for a wheelchair access ramp to be put in ALL government buildings and even in the building codes for apartments/businesses, etc.
A "social justice warrior" would fight for the stairs to be removed as well, in order to not offend the physically handicapped.
Social justice warriors also readily equate themselves to Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Mahatma Gandhi, Rosa Parks, etc, disgustingly.
They are SOCIOPATHIC IDEOLOGUES, CHARLATANS, and simple damned MORAL PANICKERS! Before it was about pedophilia in daycares and going on a witchhunt there, before that it was communism, nowadays they've multiple tools to go on witchhunts and readily take offense at everything and then dogpile the offender without hearing THEIR side of the story, no matter their sex/gender.
You think "Shirtgate", for example, was a well-thought out criticism? All over stupid pinup art of women on some guy's shirt? What about calling every single "supposed female and minority" supporting Gamergate a mere "sockpuppet" or even stooping so low as to call them "house niggers"?
Gamergate supporters, and I'd say the bystanders of this verbal conflict as well, just want to game no matter what their skin color, gender/sex, sexual orientation, etc, is. They are TIRED of people like Anita Sarkeesian saying that most games are misogynistic simply because a female character can fail and not somehow overcome ANY situation, no matter the odds (Example: Sarah Kerrigan from StarCraft 1/Brood War/StarCraft 2 Wings of Liberty/Heart of the Swarm - left to die by a sociopath that doesn't like underlings questioning orders, especially underlings that are also powerful psionic (think the Force but more volatile) assassins, her and her ragtag army, after defeating a huge alien force were left to die at the hands of a swarm of zerg aliens, the size of which anyone would have died to. But no, because she failed, she's now a "damsel-in-distress"). She wants all female characters to be superpowered Mary Sues with plot armor thicker than white dwarf stars are dense.
If they are the cure to what they claim is endemic to gaming, then they aren't even on the same beneficial level as chemotherapy - they're just hydrogen bombs trying to eradicate all individuality in gaming, comics, etc, whichever medium they switch to, in terms of story, the gamers themselves, game mechanics, etc etc.
Her arguments about female protagonists/antagonists/anti-heroes/whatever basically amount to - "If they're not a Mary Sue and capable of always winning, it's sexism, or even, MISOGYNY!!"
The point of these social experiments seems to get more and more women into the desk and office jobs. That leaves only the grubby, dirty, outside jobs for men. And nobody gives a shit about that.
That's the standard MRA line - that for women to have good jobs, men must lose out and have dirty, low paid jobs.
It's not a zero sum game. It doesn't justify ignoring the problems because fixing them might take away someone else's privilege.
But the "it's so awful, get all the training for girls and ignore boys!" hysteria seems pointless.
I agree, but you are the one spouting that hysteria! It says so right in the headline! You didn't even have to read the summary. There is a school opening just for boys to help them in the areas they are behind.
A boy growing up now who didn't have all these special programs will have a tough time competing with the girls who were prepped and trained for this their entire lives
Ignoring the fact that they have their own special, boys-only school, you are assuming that there is no disadvantage for girls. There is, so any extra help they get is just making up for that, not giving them an advantage over boys. If a boy wants to study CS there are already fewer barriers in their way, and there are other programmes aimed at removing the ones that do exist.
You are trying really hard to make this a conflict when it really isn't.
Sometimes I wish I could be Zeratul. Oh well, perhaps this link will be of interest to you, AniMoJo! (The link is tangentially related to the article about sexism in STEM and what not).
An article by Susan Sons
There is a way to quash sexism and discrimination in most, if not all, walks of life.
But people have to cooperate and throw away their own assumptions.
Gender/Sex, Skin color, ethnicity, sexual orientation, creed, religious/irreligious, etc none of it matters.
Those are all things that must be IGNORED. If you can do the job, then let's move on to hiring for another position. If you can't, then someone else has to be hired.
The more you pay attention to such immaterial details, the more power and value they will hold simply because people believe they matter.
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and Mahatma Gandhi were not "Social Justice Warriors".
They were activists willing to do a lot, sacrifice a lot, to attain equal rights peacefully.
A "Social Justice Warrior" is someone that claims to be fighting the good fight, but it's just a thin veneer over their massive ego, self-entitlement,
and their own form of "jewelry". They usually hail from a very comfortable lifestyle both growing up and now, and are just charlatans trying to profit from
controversy. Their motives are fame and power, not altruism and a capability to empathize.
To summarize - An activist may fight, and even win, to get government buildings to have wheelchair access ramps, so that paraplegics and quadriplegics can more easily access said buildings (or even to make it a part of building codes for private businesses, etc).
A "Social Justice Warrior" would instead, rather, remove the stairs to look like they were doing something worthwhile and of the belief it may hurt the feelings of the disabled.
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Well, I never liked clean air, safe (relative to the job - mining will always be more dangerous than an office job, but the danger can still be reduced to an extent) work conditions/environments, child labor laws, or the ability to have more free time than the average gilded age worker, anyway.
Left leaning candidates will happily ruin the nation, because the worse things are, the more justifications for radical policies. Who wants to open the borders wide and let the entire world into America, with voting rights the moment they set foot on our soil? The left. Are you saying that Bernie is going to expel the foreigners and thereby create several million new jobs for Americans? Jeez that's some serious Nazi shit right there.
Why don't you ask people who used to live in hard left regimes how they feel about the kind of government you advocate? What do you think they would say?
You speak of AUTHORITARIAN LIBERALS, however Senator Sanders is a LIBERTARIAN LIBERAL.
Authoritarians of ALL stripes are usually pretty terrible, not that libertarian liberals or libertarian conservatives can't do bad work either.
Political compass explains libertarians and authoritarians better.
Everything you've mentioned are explicitly ILLEGAL according to state AND federal laws.
Doxxing is often abused as a term - if you're famous, you can't exactly be doxxed. But it also often implies or even outright states some intent for others to do something horrible to the people that are being mentioned in the doxxing. Illegal.
They're going beyond simply removing what was already illegal and needed to be removed/banned, they're removing subreddits and people with ideas that are slightly different or counter to what the administrators and moderators believe.
No one really knew about "Fatpeoplehate" until they made it into a big fucking deal, all I know about it is that it was a subreddit that made fun of overweight people, and mocked the (now twisted) body image movement that has gone from stopping the shaming of obese people to trying to redefine what is medically healthy for the average individual to something that may not be healthy.
Why are you SO invested in this? I've seen you constantly commenting, along with Poperatzo and serviscope_mirror, you're not actually helping people with real body image issues, or real weight problems, or people dealing with actual (physical/emotional) abuse, nor are you helping anyone whom is actually trying to alleviate the problems so many various peoples suffer.
You're so invested in the idea, whether inadvertently or not, that non-white male heterosexuals are delicate flowers that will wilt and die without your help, that are perpetually the victim and never anything else. It is more hilarious when these same types of people, like you, lump ALL white people in as one "identity" when you ignore thousands of years of human history of people of the same damn skin color hating each other for trivial differences, of peoples of different regions but similar skin colors having their own histories and problems.
You're either a GNAA troll, or you're drowning in the kool aid that the authoritarian left are giving out so freely. Eventually, the authoritarian right will be ascendant (again), what will you do then? Not that I want ANY authoritarians to have power... Since I'm using labels, libertarian liberals and libertarian conservatives are always better in my mind. But seriously, are you going to double-down and be more of an "underdog" than before, or will you "switch sides" so to speak, to continue to attack from a position of authority?
Olympus Mons, to be exact. A mountain on Mars, taller than Mt. Everest, I think.
You know, extrapolating from almost nothing into a mountain the size of Olympus Mons is not good when anyone does it to make someone look like something they aren't even sure if.. that is what they even are.
You sound like someone who tries too hard to look like you support justice and equality.
Reminds me of bad dubs of anime, you're just as bad as that.
It's been the overall narrative, whether they intended it or not, given by a lot of the yellow journalists and ideologues of third-wave feminism. Well, maybe CONFUSED ideologues of third-wave feminism, but then some people would rather win at any cost (even a pyrrhic victory), than lose.
Educate yerself, lest ye continue to look like a fool.
http://deepfreeze.it/
The OP didn't use the acronym, "MRA", anywhere.
Unless the person you replied to was flagged and deleted...
yarr harr, ye be wrong matey.
ALESTORM!
There is only the God-Emperor, and He is our Shield and Protector.
Without Him, we are nothing.
With Him, we wield His Will as our torch; with it, we destroy the shadows.
(Although seriously I'm an apathetic atheist that finds the idea of deities immaterial to living and doesn't care if people believe or don't, unless they try to convert me and annoy me, then I'll ask them, politely, to stop).
I am not very good at debate, I will admit that.
But I never equated "Social Justice Warrior" with "Pedoterrorist".
YOU are the one doing that, when I've been saying they're the ones writing their own versions of the malleus maleficarum and going on witchhunts for people -suspected- of sexism/misogyny/discrimination.
You have yet to address that point, unless you think mob justice (usually controlled by emotions and people getting "caught up in the moment") is a good thing?
She wasn't a "SJW", she was actually trying to help effect change in an environment in which women are not only oppressed, but it is distinctly easily visible in most, if not all, walks of life in Pakistan (and other countries with an Islamic majority that isn't too opposed to Sharia law).
SJW's are usually trust fund babies and well-off morons that got bored with collecting tangible things and began collecting stories of oppression as bling. They're charlatans and ideologues, profit mongers and zealots.
Ms. Sabeen Mahmud was far closer to Mahatma Gandhi than any "Social Justice Warrior" (who often, without a shred of humility, compare themselves to Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Mahatma Gandhi, Malcolm X, or hell (I've yet to see them mention her but she fought for women's rights) Theodora the Empress alongside Emperor Justinian I of the Byzantine Empire).
Everyone lies sometimes, SJW's lie more often.
Addendum, a decent source for a lot of the going-ons of gamergate and anti-gamergate,
Gamergate Gitgud repository
"Wow so they really are the pedoterroristcommunists of the internet! So an SJW is someone responsible for all the evils of the last 50 years? Is that your definition?"
No, they were the ones who ENGAGED IN WITCHHUNTS for those bogeymen. But it's not as in vogue these days to hunt for any of those unless you're with the govt.
"OOOkay, now you're just making up the most insane shit you can think of and attributing it to an evil bogeyman called 'SJW'. Do you even hear yourself?"
Do you? Example One of accusations against users of #notyourshield
Second example
Example 1 Tweet from an "Anti-Gamergater" individual
Example 2 Tweet from an "Anti-Gamergater" individual
Example 3 Tweet from an "Anti-Gamergater" individual
As for your last point, What I was talking about involving StarCraft
A real civil rights activist would, for example, fight for a wheelchair access ramp to be put in ALL government buildings and even in the building codes for apartments/businesses, etc.
A "social justice warrior" would fight for the stairs to be removed as well, in order to not offend the physically handicapped.
Social justice warriors also readily equate themselves to Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Mahatma Gandhi, Rosa Parks, etc, disgustingly.
They are SOCIOPATHIC IDEOLOGUES, CHARLATANS, and simple damned MORAL PANICKERS! Before it was about pedophilia in daycares and going on a witchhunt there, before that it was communism, nowadays they've multiple tools to go on witchhunts and readily take offense at everything and then dogpile the offender without hearing THEIR side of the story, no matter their sex/gender.
You think "Shirtgate", for example, was a well-thought out criticism? All over stupid pinup art of women on some guy's shirt? What about calling every single "supposed female and minority" supporting Gamergate a mere "sockpuppet" or even stooping so low as to call them "house niggers"?
Gamergate supporters, and I'd say the bystanders of this verbal conflict as well, just want to game no matter what their skin color, gender/sex, sexual orientation, etc, is. They are TIRED of people like Anita Sarkeesian saying that most games are misogynistic simply because a female character can fail and not somehow overcome ANY situation, no matter the odds (Example: Sarah Kerrigan from StarCraft 1/Brood War/StarCraft 2 Wings of Liberty/Heart of the Swarm - left to die by a sociopath that doesn't like underlings questioning orders, especially underlings that are also powerful psionic (think the Force but more volatile) assassins, her and her ragtag army, after defeating a huge alien force were left to die at the hands of a swarm of zerg aliens, the size of which anyone would have died to. But no, because she failed, she's now a "damsel-in-distress"). She wants all female characters to be superpowered Mary Sues with plot armor thicker than white dwarf stars are dense.
If they are the cure to what they claim is endemic to gaming, then they aren't even on the same beneficial level as chemotherapy - they're just hydrogen bombs trying to eradicate all individuality in gaming, comics, etc, whichever medium they switch to, in terms of story, the gamers themselves, game mechanics, etc etc.
Her arguments about female protagonists/antagonists/anti-heroes/whatever basically amount to - "If they're not a Mary Sue and capable of always winning, it's sexism, or even, MISOGYNY!!"
The point of these social experiments seems to get more and more women into the desk and office jobs. That leaves only the grubby, dirty, outside jobs for men. And nobody gives a shit about that.
That's the standard MRA line - that for women to have good jobs, men must lose out and have dirty, low paid jobs.
It's not a zero sum game. It doesn't justify ignoring the problems because fixing them might take away someone else's privilege.
But the "it's so awful, get all the training for girls and ignore boys!" hysteria seems pointless.
I agree, but you are the one spouting that hysteria! It says so right in the headline! You didn't even have to read the summary. There is a school opening just for boys to help them in the areas they are behind.
A boy growing up now who didn't have all these special programs will have a tough time competing with the girls who were prepped and trained for this their entire lives
Ignoring the fact that they have their own special, boys-only school, you are assuming that there is no disadvantage for girls. There is, so any extra help they get is just making up for that, not giving them an advantage over boys. If a boy wants to study CS there are already fewer barriers in their way, and there are other programmes aimed at removing the ones that do exist.
You are trying really hard to make this a conflict when it really isn't.
Sometimes I wish I could be Zeratul. Oh well, perhaps this link will be of interest to you, AniMoJo! (The link is tangentially related to the article about sexism in STEM and what not). An article by Susan Sons
There is a way to quash sexism and discrimination in most, if not all, walks of life. But people have to cooperate and throw away their own assumptions. Gender/Sex, Skin color, ethnicity, sexual orientation, creed, religious/irreligious, etc none of it matters. Those are all things that must be IGNORED. If you can do the job, then let's move on to hiring for another position. If you can't, then someone else has to be hired. The more you pay attention to such immaterial details, the more power and value they will hold simply because people believe they matter.
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and Mahatma Gandhi were not "Social Justice Warriors". They were activists willing to do a lot, sacrifice a lot, to attain equal rights peacefully. A "Social Justice Warrior" is someone that claims to be fighting the good fight, but it's just a thin veneer over their massive ego, self-entitlement, and their own form of "jewelry". They usually hail from a very comfortable lifestyle both growing up and now, and are just charlatans trying to profit from controversy. Their motives are fame and power, not altruism and a capability to empathize. To summarize - An activist may fight, and even win, to get government buildings to have wheelchair access ramps, so that paraplegics and quadriplegics can more easily access said buildings (or even to make it a part of building codes for private businesses, etc). A "Social Justice Warrior" would instead, rather, remove the stairs to look like they were doing something worthwhile and of the belief it may hurt the feelings of the disabled.