Re:H-1Bs are not the solution
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The bright folks who want to come here should be encouraged to stay, not to stay for a while.
If green cards were easier to obtain, and they weren't beholden to the employer who sponsors them, they would.
Of course, then they could shop the market, and they could demand a salary as high as the rest of us. So of course the corporations will never allow that to happen.
The top-level poster is spot on, all these other excuses are to divert attention from the money. It is *always* about the money. In the long term, there is no such thing as a labor shortage. The market fixes everything.
That's been my experience. My 10 year old Thinkpad and semi-recent HP seem indestructible. Dropped them both several times; the HP even has a warped casing and the CD-ROM still works.
The Toshiba, on the other hand, has cracked its casing in several places, the rubber mouse buttons have worn holes in them, and the battery is by now useless, but it has never had a functional problem.
I've never known anyone with a Sony laptop that has lasted for more than a few years.
Oh noes! I got modded down! The Apple cultist modstorm brigade is going to kill my karma! My important message will be silenced!
So far the responses have been as I predicted - claiming that this is some sort of violation of their monopoly status. Remember that they got busted for abusing their monopoly by using it as a vehicle to dump a different product, a web browser, to destroy a potential rival, Netscape. Their intention to compete didn't matter so much as the fact that they were giving it away.
So if they only decided to start charging an unreasonable price for Office, would that then be a violation of their monopoly? What they couldn't find developers willing to work on it? What if they just decided to start making it suck? I mean, the Apple cultists are always going on and on about how much Microsoft products suck, so how can they expect Microsoft to be under any obligation to make Office suck less for them? How does Microsoft's reasoning have anything to do with it? Would it be ok if Bill did it just out of plain old spite? God knows I would.
And if Apple is so great, why haven't they made an Office suite so superior that drives the sale of Apple hardware in the enterprise? Remember, Apple isn't even really in the operating system business. Mac OS is just razors to sell brushed metal and plastic.
The fact is, it was a mere accident that Apple became dependent on Office. To force Microsoft to continue to prop up Mac OS is no different than forcing them to port Office to Linux or Solaris or BeOS. How the hell do you force someone to work on something they want to fail? And why should Apple get special treatment in this regard? Because you like Apple and hate Microsoft? That makes it right?
Ok, then, let the guberminky bust open iTunes and the so-called FairPlay. Let's not be hypocrites here.
How is this any more malicious than Apple preventing X86 Mac OS from running on non-Apple hardware? Or refusing to license FairPlay? Or locking out third-party applications on the iPhone?
Office is Microsoft's IP, and like all their products, it exists primarily to provide a raison d'être for their main cash-cow: Windows licenses. Why should Microsoft increase the value of anything that can become a threat to their business?
People are tripping up on the example, missing the point entirely.
Servility, blind optimism, and a narcissistic morality is a survival trait, not just for individuals, but their family/tribe/country. You can't effectively defend against invaders, militarily or culturally, you're not completely loyal to your group and the shared identity that unites you. In this way, patriotism and religion are same thing. They exist to negate self-doubt.
A deity is a natural focal point to center a shared identity, and deflect criticism of the leaders. Plus people who live for themselves are less likely to have many children, and more likely to run afoul of authority. Everything about religion encourages sacrifice for the good of the group. You might fall in battle, but your children, or your siblings' children, will survive. A belief in an afterlife encourages this behavior.
I know your strawman attack was unintentional, but please, try not to do that in the future. It's intellectually dishonest, and it tends to derail discussions which might otherwise be productive.
I know you can't help being a whiny pussy, but this passive-aggressive bullshit encourages personal attacks, and that derails discussions that might otherwise be productive.
The original poster said nothing about Kyoto, but hey, why use facts when you can categorize every argument to a standard dogma?
Which is the religion - that technology gives us the ability to permanently damage the environment, or that nature is all powerful and can resist even the most irresponsible human activities?
Keep the faith. God's gonna end the world anyway, so who gives a shit?
If you really think Jobs doesn't love his DRM so much, why does Apple refuse to license it to anyone else?
It's called a vertical monopoly. They didn't have it before, but they've nearly got it now. Presuming his anti-DRM stance isn't complete and utter bullshit lip service, removing DRM hurts iTunes' competitors more than it hurts iTunes.
You don't? Everything you just described - ssh, cvs, bash, the "bsd heritage", hell, even Skype, would not exist without generations of open hardware before it. Well, some of it might, on workstations that cost ten grand.
Um....since when aren't personal computers "consumer appliances".
Since people realized they are the most powerful tool for advancing civilization ever invented. The mobile computer is the next stage of the PC-Internet revolution, and Apple wants to hijack it and wrap it in chains.
I remember a line from Triumph of the Nerds, of the apocryphal conversation between Steve Jobs and John Sculley. He asked him, "Do you want to sell sugar water for the rest of your life, or do you want to change the world?"
Jobs is now selling us sugar water in the form of pop music and network television. Apple now serves that purpose rather than empowering its users.
some hacked together script or program is going to run wild and do damage to the network
That may be what they've stated, but it is simply not true, because they're already selling smartphones without code signing and without the sort of OS-level protections that prevent you from calling privileged code. So either Apple's mobile OS X is severely stripped down and lacking the new security features of Leopard, or they have ulterior motives.
I suspect the real reason has to do with the 8 gig drive and the possibility of running applications like BitTorrent, though it also seems Apple has decided that it is more lucrative to sell consumer appliances than computers.
Closed in this context means "no third-party software", though you probably knew that, and just wanted to spread misinformation. The iPhone is a computer that you can't install software on, only download applets that are blessed by Apple. It is not a computer, but an appliance, no different than the freebie feature phone you get for signing a contract.
Symbian OS actually has the largest smartphone marketshare.
Why are you repeating Apple marketing material like some gibbering mental patient? "Apple makes products that just work." Every handheld device I have ever used, and I've literally used dozens, "just works". Some have better software than others, some have better user inferfaces, and some have had stability problems, but then again, so have Apple products. There is no magic dust. It might have the slickest-looking UI yet for any mobile device, but that demonstrates nothing about its reliability or ease of use.
Sascha Segan (author): "Tony, I maybe didn't make clear enough that this is a feature phone problem. No carrier, not even Verizon, dares forbid application installation on smartphones such as Blackberries, Windows Mobile phones, or Treos."
Um, this isn't quite the sky is falling scenario he makes it out to be in the article. Of course, any bad publicity it generates is still a good thing.
This whole thread is pretty amusing. He's already in a top tier school, and he wants to know if he can get in the most prestigious or the most selective instead. And here is someone saying he's not cut out for any of them. lolz
Status is a crutch for mediocre minds. If you want to make your mark on the world, you can pretty much do it anywhere there are bright, creative people to help.
The point of college is to have fun. Always pick the party school. (hint: they're all party schools)
Because it was priced competitively with other mp3 players with high storage, and the only one with a "culture" around it generated by marketing before most people even knew what "mp3" was. There is no such vacuum in the mobile phone market.
Oh, wait, I forgot, you can use two fingers to resize images. Interface matters. People care so much about novelty.
It's going to be a hoot reading all the stories from people who broke their iPhones because they dropped it due to its clunky two-handed operation. Or complaining about the constant finger grease, and the near impossibility of blind dialing.
If they bring the cost down, it will be popular, if only for its distinguishing feature: PMP functionality. Not for being a phone.
User interfaces don't sell products, features do. Otherwise, why did you buy that Windows Mobile device?
And if advanced interfaces are so compelling, why did the Newton fail and the Pilot succeed?
The iPhone will succeed for no other reason than marketing. It will probably be the most heavily marketed cell phone, ever. I predict it will increase the sales of real smartphones, if for no other reason than raising consumer awareness that such things exist.
If you're an American, please move to a nanny state like England, we don't need any more milksops preaching victimhood. If you can't distinguish between a situational power imbalance and violence, you have no business lecturing anyone about the appropriate reaction to violence. Zero tolerance policies actually breed bullies by emboldening them (and create crime and all sorts of antisocial behavior).
Most people are of average or lesser intelligence. Most people make far less than the median income. Hell, most people live and die within walking distance of where they were born. But even in third world ghettos, cell phone usage is exploding.
Your Ludditism and lack of influence are no basis for generalizations about the needs of people who buy cell phones.
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The bright folks who want to come here should be encouraged to stay, not to stay for a while.
If green cards were easier to obtain, and they weren't beholden to the employer who sponsors them, they would.
Of course, then they could shop the market, and they could demand a salary as high as the rest of us. So of course the corporations will never allow that to happen.
The top-level poster is spot on, all these other excuses are to divert attention from the money. It is *always* about the money. In the long term, there is no such thing as a labor shortage. The market fixes everything.
If you would state such a blatant lie about Sony, why should we trust your experience with Apple?
That's been my experience. My 10 year old Thinkpad and semi-recent HP seem indestructible. Dropped them both several times; the HP even has a warped casing and the CD-ROM still works.
The Toshiba, on the other hand, has cracked its casing in several places, the rubber mouse buttons have worn holes in them, and the battery is by now useless, but it has never had a functional problem.
I've never known anyone with a Sony laptop that has lasted for more than a few years.
Oh noes! I got modded down! The Apple cultist modstorm brigade is going to kill my karma! My important message will be silenced!
So far the responses have been as I predicted - claiming that this is some sort of violation of their monopoly status. Remember that they got busted for abusing their monopoly by using it as a vehicle to dump a different product, a web browser, to destroy a potential rival, Netscape. Their intention to compete didn't matter so much as the fact that they were giving it away.
So if they only decided to start charging an unreasonable price for Office, would that then be a violation of their monopoly? What they couldn't find developers willing to work on it? What if they just decided to start making it suck? I mean, the Apple cultists are always going on and on about how much Microsoft products suck, so how can they expect Microsoft to be under any obligation to make Office suck less for them? How does Microsoft's reasoning have anything to do with it? Would it be ok if Bill did it just out of plain old spite? God knows I would.
And if Apple is so great, why haven't they made an Office suite so superior that drives the sale of Apple hardware in the enterprise? Remember, Apple isn't even really in the operating system business. Mac OS is just razors to sell brushed metal and plastic.
The fact is, it was a mere accident that Apple became dependent on Office. To force Microsoft to continue to prop up Mac OS is no different than forcing them to port Office to Linux or Solaris or BeOS. How the hell do you force someone to work on something they want to fail? And why should Apple get special treatment in this regard? Because you like Apple and hate Microsoft? That makes it right?
Ok, then, let the guberminky bust open iTunes and the so-called FairPlay. Let's not be hypocrites here.
How is this any more malicious than Apple preventing X86 Mac OS from running on non-Apple hardware? Or refusing to license FairPlay? Or locking out third-party applications on the iPhone?
Office is Microsoft's IP, and like all their products, it exists primarily to provide a raison d'être for their main cash-cow: Windows licenses. Why should Microsoft increase the value of anything that can become a threat to their business?
People are tripping up on the example, missing the point entirely.
Servility, blind optimism, and a narcissistic morality is a survival trait, not just for individuals, but their family/tribe/country. You can't effectively defend against invaders, militarily or culturally, you're not completely loyal to your group and the shared identity that unites you. In this way, patriotism and religion are same thing. They exist to negate self-doubt.
A deity is a natural focal point to center a shared identity, and deflect criticism of the leaders. Plus people who live for themselves are less likely to have many children, and more likely to run afoul of authority. Everything about religion encourages sacrifice for the good of the group. You might fall in battle, but your children, or your siblings' children, will survive. A belief in an afterlife encourages this behavior.
I know your strawman attack was unintentional, but please, try not to do that in the future. It's intellectually dishonest, and it tends to derail discussions which might otherwise be productive.
I know you can't help being a whiny pussy, but this passive-aggressive bullshit encourages personal attacks, and that derails discussions that might otherwise be productive.
The original poster said nothing about Kyoto, but hey, why use facts when you can categorize every argument to a standard dogma?
Which is the religion - that technology gives us the ability to permanently damage the environment, or that nature is all powerful and can resist even the most irresponsible human activities?
Keep the faith. God's gonna end the world anyway, so who gives a shit?
If you really think Jobs doesn't love his DRM so much, why does Apple refuse to license it to anyone else?
It's called a vertical monopoly. They didn't have it before, but they've nearly got it now. Presuming his anti-DRM stance isn't complete and utter bullshit lip service, removing DRM hurts iTunes' competitors more than it hurts iTunes.
is there a way to effectively block MySpace from being accessed at a business?
Stop hiring teenagers?
"Playing with my Wii."
"Oh, ok. Carry on."
First joke!
(I don't care it's "closed" hardware)
You don't? Everything you just described - ssh, cvs, bash, the "bsd heritage", hell, even Skype, would not exist without generations of open hardware before it. Well, some of it might, on workstations that cost ten grand.
Um....since when aren't personal computers "consumer appliances".
Since people realized they are the most powerful tool for advancing civilization ever invented. The mobile computer is the next stage of the PC-Internet revolution, and Apple wants to hijack it and wrap it in chains.
I remember a line from Triumph of the Nerds, of the apocryphal conversation between Steve Jobs and John Sculley. He asked him, "Do you want to sell sugar water for the rest of your life, or do you want to change the world?"
Jobs is now selling us sugar water in the form of pop music and network television. Apple now serves that purpose rather than empowering its users.
some hacked together script or program is going to run wild and do damage to the network
That may be what they've stated, but it is simply not true, because they're already selling smartphones without code signing and without the sort of OS-level protections that prevent you from calling privileged code. So either Apple's mobile OS X is severely stripped down and lacking the new security features of Leopard, or they have ulterior motives.
I suspect the real reason has to do with the 8 gig drive and the possibility of running applications like BitTorrent, though it also seems Apple has decided that it is more lucrative to sell consumer appliances than computers.
Closed in this context means "no third-party software", though you probably knew that, and just wanted to spread misinformation. The iPhone is a computer that you can't install software on, only download applets that are blessed by Apple. It is not a computer, but an appliance, no different than the freebie feature phone you get for signing a contract.
Symbian OS actually has the largest smartphone marketshare.
Why are you repeating Apple marketing material like some gibbering mental patient? "Apple makes products that just work." Every handheld device I have ever used, and I've literally used dozens, "just works". Some have better software than others, some have better user inferfaces, and some have had stability problems, but then again, so have Apple products. There is no magic dust. It might have the slickest-looking UI yet for any mobile device, but that demonstrates nothing about its reliability or ease of use.
Exactly. The Newton was the first kid on the block, so it took competition a couple of years to appear, identify the flaws in the Newton, and beat it.
No it wasn't. Palm was in this game before the Newton was released with a device called the Zoomer. Palm kept at it, while Apple simply gave up.
Sascha Segan (author): "Tony, I maybe didn't make clear enough that this is a feature phone problem. No carrier, not even Verizon, dares forbid application installation on smartphones such as Blackberries, Windows Mobile phones, or Treos."
Um, this isn't quite the sky is falling scenario he makes it out to be in the article. Of course, any bad publicity it generates is still a good thing.
What are you, some kind of communist? Don't you know free trade only applies to capital, not labor?
One uses lowercase and underscores. The other uses studlycaps and Hungarian notation. It is an aesthetic choice.
This whole thread is pretty amusing. He's already in a top tier school, and he wants to know if he can get in the most prestigious or the most selective instead. And here is someone saying he's not cut out for any of them. lolz
Status is a crutch for mediocre minds. If you want to make your mark on the world, you can pretty much do it anywhere there are bright, creative people to help.
The point of college is to have fun. Always pick the party school. (hint: they're all party schools)
Because it was priced competitively with other mp3 players with high storage, and the only one with a "culture" around it generated by marketing before most people even knew what "mp3" was. There is no such vacuum in the mobile phone market.
Oh, wait, I forgot, you can use two fingers to resize images. Interface matters. People care so much about novelty.
It's going to be a hoot reading all the stories from people who broke their iPhones because they dropped it due to its clunky two-handed operation. Or complaining about the constant finger grease, and the near impossibility of blind dialing.
If they bring the cost down, it will be popular, if only for its distinguishing feature: PMP functionality. Not for being a phone.
User interfaces don't sell products, features do. Otherwise, why did you buy that Windows Mobile device?
And if advanced interfaces are so compelling, why did the Newton fail and the Pilot succeed?
The iPhone will succeed for no other reason than marketing. It will probably be the most heavily marketed cell phone, ever. I predict it will increase the sales of real smartphones, if for no other reason than raising consumer awareness that such things exist.
If you're an American, please move to a nanny state like England, we don't need any more milksops preaching victimhood. If you can't distinguish between a situational power imbalance and violence, you have no business lecturing anyone about the appropriate reaction to violence. Zero tolerance policies actually breed bullies by emboldening them (and create crime and all sorts of antisocial behavior).
Exactly. :-)
Most people are of average or lesser intelligence. Most people make far less than the median income. Hell, most people live and die within walking distance of where they were born. But even in third world ghettos, cell phone usage is exploding.
Your Ludditism and lack of influence are no basis for generalizations about the needs of people who buy cell phones.