Whenever an industry says there is a shortage, you can translate that into. We don't want to pay the going rate. I was suckered into this in the 90s and early 00s. When there was a shortage of accounts people. They just wanted more to suppress wages.
Secondly schools (Universities, colleges etc) don't want to teach engineering because it is an expensive course to teach especially if there are practical elements. While teaching a social science requires a few books and a classroom.
Quite ironically my local not very highly ranked university specialises in engineering and production processes. They have an excellent department headed by the former head of department of a top university. Because of the bad reputation it attracts few people ad they are thinking of closing it down.
You're looking for the TV trope of computer = monitor.
Or Computer = tape drive back up system.
Many many TV script writers have heroes smash up monitors to destroy computers.
There are people who take what they see on TV as gospel and thus do not question it, common tropes for example are hollywood silencers, instant death bullets amongst many. It reaches quite far, there was some sort of book written about gang warfare and police marksmen in the UK. The marksmen were really surprised that when shot the 'bad people' were not blown across the room like in the movies.
It isn't that easy actually, in the past few years the British government has bee pissing off a lot of foreign governments, and as such they impose restrictions on entry.
Russians and much of the former USSR imposes restrictions on Brits such as only being able to apply for Russian visas in London. Anybody else aside from US citizens can apply at any consulate.
TBH the thing is it is over hyped, as once you leave the UK how exactly do they know where you have been? other than tracking your ATM withdraw?
The UK passport sure has an RFID chip but these break within a year.
For instance my 2009 trip, no passport checks all the way to the Serbian border. Then no passport checks until the Albanian border which was a simple glance.
Then Turkey had a passport check, this check consisted of paying $10 for a stamp and $20 for motor insurance. They didn't write anything down.
A couple of others who split from me went to Syria and again visa on border written in a paper ledger.
Crossing into Georgia they wrote down my passport number on a paper ledger, same with Azerbaijan (the border guards were more interested in bribes). Kazahstan same written in a paper ledger. Russia entered into an ancient computer system which didn't look networked as there was just a power cable out the back.
But you do have to register with the cops in Russia.
Mongolia paper ledger and a photocopy.
Korea stamp on arrival no scanning no recording of numbers.
North Korea stamp on a bit paper, China, they looked at it stamped the pre bought visa and waved me through.
On return to the UK in 2010, the border guard scanned my passport, found the RFID chip was broken opened the first page and tapped in the number manually, he didn't even look at the pages of visas I'd used.
So its scaremongering.
Or transfer payments. Or whatever have a look into this:
http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk_welfare_spending_40.html
You will find:
UK JSA payments = 5.9bn
Social exclusion NEC 28.8bn
http://www.ifs.org.uk/budgets/gb2013/GB2013_Ch8.pdf
States that this 28bn is welfare payments made to WORKING people, in the form of tax credits. From 2002 till about 2009 there was a scam going on, whereby if you worked less, the government effectively topped up your wages to almost but not quite the amount you would receive if you were working full time. As such from 2002-2009 there were tons of 16.5 hour jobs. A person working 40 hours vs 16.5hours the pay difference was £10 or £20. As a result millions of people went part time and their standard of living did not change. Working people can also claim housing and child benefits too.
As a response corporations cut wages to the minimum realising that the state would top up the pay of its workers and very few jobs were more than 16.5h. This was intentional of course as the then government tried to create a client state.
And in 2007 there was a (UK) government paper on man made climate change, it used the most optimistic assumptions for economic benefits and the lowest costs and used variable discounting figures by Nick Stern, he got the title lord.
Added 5% MMCC levy to everybody's energy bills.
By 2013 he was found to have made a mistake, as government papers are not subject to peer review.
I would have to agree, I see job adverts from recruiters which are simply jobs taken off company websites with the name removed.
Or they will quote obsolete standards, qualifications and software you need to be able to use.
Years ago VDU operator, was really common, as they used the old trope monitor = computer.
But have you seen other countries efforts?
The UK spend thousands on a crappy rifle called the SA80, which was a copy of the AR18, the prototype even used ar15 parts.
We then spent yet more thousands upgrading it to SA80A2 standards, would have been cheaper to get AKM or a 5.65 varient.
This has been going on for a while in the UK.
Umbrella companies are common which is why toothless IR35 law was bought in.
The bosses save on severance/redundancy/perks (dont laugh) and also 13% on the gross wages of each 'private contractor' and also 2% on mandatory pension contributions.
While employees get to claim expenses off simply going to work like commuting and stuff.
A while ago 5 years now.. (how time flies) I ended up travelling across Eurasia on a motorbike.
Passing through desolate areas like Kazakhstan and Siberia away from the railways would be a spooky experience. You'd put your tent up and it was so quiet you could hear your heart beat and your tinnitus.
You would always think though that somebody was sneaking up on you and would stab you to death and rob you.
What makes you think we have any power to do anything? Much as I hate Russel Brand, he was interviewed last night and pretty much told us how it was. That voting changes nothing as you vote for corporate stooges who act in their own interests. Which is why he doesn't vote.
Thats not funny, SOCPA 2005 prohibits carrying more than £2000 of cash on you without good reason with the penalty of forfeiture if you can't prove where it came from.
In fact a few years ago the London police went for a smash and grab of safe deposit boxes, it was all declared illegal except people went and started claiming it back with receipts.
TBH its not a question of trust per se, since it will be mass produced to the lowest bidder who will most likely cut corners.
It is a bigger question of who is liable when it goes wrong? Right now the nut behind the wheel is liable, yet if we put an AI in charge, what happens when it goes wrong?
The opt out / easy method is to still make the 'operator' liable.
Will the 'operator' have to be awake at all times and focusing on the road for when something goes wrong? Because if so then although it may well self drive the fact it needs to be constantly monitored kinda negates a large part of its autonomy. I mean computers never go wrong right?
A little side story.
The great irony is, that Azerbaijani people are incredibly corrupt thus they get the government they deserve.
I travelled from Tbilisi to Baku a few years ago.
Right from the onset from the Azerbaijan border it was ALL about corruption. I had a visa and letter of invitation before hand.
Right from the border it began, you had to pay a fee to 'park' in the border area, no pay fee? Your vehicle got trashed, the bloke in front had most of his windows smashed.
Then you went from one building to another each time there happened to be forms with a hand written $5 price on each corner.
At which a fat oaf with a stamp would refuse to stamp your entry documents unless you gave him $20. I had a buddy tried not to pay and was not allowed into the country.
Then 20 metres from the border was a check point where the official would grab your passport and ransom it for $20. Refusing to pay got a bayonet in your tyre.
Binoculars came out and there were MANY MANY such check points.
So we went off road instead, but now and again had to stop for gas, it said something like.25 for a litre of gas. (it was cheap) except when it came to pay it was not.25 it was 25 a litre. Buying food and stuff the decimal place got moved to the left 2 places.
Even when we got to Baku nobody would give us directions without payment. Similar situation with hotels, big sign saying $x per night PRIVATE ROOMS! No, this is wrong, old sign! price was doubled or tripled.
Tired we paid and found it was a dorm with beds stacked 5 high.
Morning we came out and somebody had stolen our front wheels, $150 if we wanted them back.
Just driving to the port we were stopped and 'fined' many many times...
We couldn't wait to get out of there, heading to the port there was a port tax. Except we had to go back and forth to a building outside the port to pick up forms and get them stamped inside the port. Each time you entered incurred a $5 fee. There were MANY forms.
We got onto the ferry and were happy to be out of there.
But it reminds me of a VERY old game captive. When one of your androids was low on batteries you could as a last ditch attempt use fire to recharge your battery partially.
I'm curious - what new careers do you foresee, that current professional drivers would qualify for? Or are you saying they should give up their fairly-decent-wage driving work and go flip burgers whilst sucking hind teet for minimum wage, social consequences be damned?
See, that's the real problem - I'm sure we can all come up with a million ideas for work the next few generations can do, but that means precisely jack shit to the current generation who will lose their only source of income.
What's the stop-gap for the time period between auto-cars taking work from humans, work they need to pay their bills, and the creation of these ephemeral 'new jobs' that won't exist for a good while?
Flip burgers you say? Except burger preparation is being automated.
It depends on how it is implemented.
We have the Eastern model and the Western model.
UK/USA are uber ruthless ONLY THE BOTTOM LINE MATTERS type economies. We see bits of this especially in the recent debate about giving two weeks notice. Where only the bottom line matters and corporates conveniently ignore the fact that employees also happen to be consumers. Probably why we are in death spiral mode right now. As companies make lower profits, they seek to cut costs, which puts people out of work.. which causes people to consume less, and so on...
While Asian economies are funny things. Japan for instance, (lets ignore the fact that Japan is incredibly backwards outside Tokyo, they still use fax machines regularly! ATMs close at 5pm, you have to carry wads of cash with you everywhere). They could probably automate and stick robots everywhere. But they use people to over staff offices and make it super bureaucratic to keep people in jobs.
Like making coffee in the western world we go to the machine ourselves. But a buddy working in Japan now has a refreshments lady who carts around a little trolley. Or the way that gas stations are often full service. Even in supposed hyperruthless capitalist Hong Kong. There are lots and lots of staff on the metro stations. When it gets busy in the morning and after work. They hire people to stand with signs on the platforms and at the entrances and exits, when a lump of concrete or a rope barrier would suffice.
In Hong Kong it costs money to receive calls, they call it a connection fee. Which means that people simply never answer calls to unfamiliar numbers.
It there such a thing in the US? As far as I know there is no such thing as a connection fee in the UK.
Just not as integrated.
They often have a PDA to look things up and cameras on police are slowly being rolled out.
The old catching bad cops doesn't work though. As a number of times when something 'bad' happens, the tapes vanish.
Case in point the Brazilian on the London Tube. Also Tomlinson London has the most CCTV per sqkm, yet they had the gall to say the tapes went missing or the cameras were broken.
Even when there is footage oversight is not there, guy called Delbo King, cuffed and was kicked around on camera, no charges.
I expect us to think about it for ages and let the accountants pour cold water on it...
It will then be forgotten for quite some time.
Then China or Russia will build one... China already built a maglev.
With China being #1 solar panel producers currently, the fact that land belongs to the government so they can build wherever they want (and violently force people who refuse to move) as well as billions of depreciating dollars held in reserve and engineers as their one party politicians rather than lawyers (like USA and UK)
Last year Stacy and Max tied the knot, so its not just tolerating him. If he did make less noise and acted a bit saner. He would probably not stand out in the 1000s of pundits anyway.
There is always his other programme, On the Edge.
Where he seems to be an much quieter alter ego.
Hell it beats the BBC interpretation of a good economy, i.e. house prices going up is great for the economy!
Although it sounds ambitious I have doubts......
Mainly due to the shift in responsibility.
20-30 years ago you got bad grades? Your own fault.
Today you get bad grades? Teachers fault.
Hence a shift towards teaching to the exam.......
Secondly go further to FE colleges (16+) and the situation gets worse. If you have a read of the Wolf Report (2011) she came up with damning conclusions about the education system especially FE. That courses were run not to benefit the learners, but purely to game the government funding system since the funding formulae changed once the children got above 14 and were based on results.
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Whenever an industry says there is a shortage, you can translate that into. We don't want to pay the going rate. I was suckered into this in the 90s and early 00s. When there was a shortage of accounts people. They just wanted more to suppress wages. Secondly schools (Universities, colleges etc) don't want to teach engineering because it is an expensive course to teach especially if there are practical elements. While teaching a social science requires a few books and a classroom. Quite ironically my local not very highly ranked university specialises in engineering and production processes. They have an excellent department headed by the former head of department of a top university. Because of the bad reputation it attracts few people ad they are thinking of closing it down.
You're looking for the TV trope of computer = monitor. Or Computer = tape drive back up system. Many many TV script writers have heroes smash up monitors to destroy computers. There are people who take what they see on TV as gospel and thus do not question it, common tropes for example are hollywood silencers, instant death bullets amongst many. It reaches quite far, there was some sort of book written about gang warfare and police marksmen in the UK. The marksmen were really surprised that when shot the 'bad people' were not blown across the room like in the movies.
It isn't that easy actually, in the past few years the British government has bee pissing off a lot of foreign governments, and as such they impose restrictions on entry. Russians and much of the former USSR imposes restrictions on Brits such as only being able to apply for Russian visas in London. Anybody else aside from US citizens can apply at any consulate. TBH the thing is it is over hyped, as once you leave the UK how exactly do they know where you have been? other than tracking your ATM withdraw? The UK passport sure has an RFID chip but these break within a year. For instance my 2009 trip, no passport checks all the way to the Serbian border. Then no passport checks until the Albanian border which was a simple glance. Then Turkey had a passport check, this check consisted of paying $10 for a stamp and $20 for motor insurance. They didn't write anything down. A couple of others who split from me went to Syria and again visa on border written in a paper ledger. Crossing into Georgia they wrote down my passport number on a paper ledger, same with Azerbaijan (the border guards were more interested in bribes). Kazahstan same written in a paper ledger. Russia entered into an ancient computer system which didn't look networked as there was just a power cable out the back. But you do have to register with the cops in Russia. Mongolia paper ledger and a photocopy. Korea stamp on arrival no scanning no recording of numbers. North Korea stamp on a bit paper, China, they looked at it stamped the pre bought visa and waved me through. On return to the UK in 2010, the border guard scanned my passport, found the RFID chip was broken opened the first page and tapped in the number manually, he didn't even look at the pages of visas I'd used. So its scaremongering.
Sure it is great for MPG as there is less air resistance, but your front bumper paint will have to be touched up weekly!
Or transfer payments. Or whatever have a look into this: http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk_welfare_spending_40.html You will find: UK JSA payments = 5.9bn Social exclusion NEC 28.8bn http://www.ifs.org.uk/budgets/gb2013/GB2013_Ch8.pdf States that this 28bn is welfare payments made to WORKING people, in the form of tax credits. From 2002 till about 2009 there was a scam going on, whereby if you worked less, the government effectively topped up your wages to almost but not quite the amount you would receive if you were working full time. As such from 2002-2009 there were tons of 16.5 hour jobs. A person working 40 hours vs 16.5hours the pay difference was £10 or £20. As a result millions of people went part time and their standard of living did not change. Working people can also claim housing and child benefits too. As a response corporations cut wages to the minimum realising that the state would top up the pay of its workers and very few jobs were more than 16.5h. This was intentional of course as the then government tried to create a client state.
And in 2007 there was a (UK) government paper on man made climate change, it used the most optimistic assumptions for economic benefits and the lowest costs and used variable discounting figures by Nick Stern, he got the title lord. Added 5% MMCC levy to everybody's energy bills. By 2013 he was found to have made a mistake, as government papers are not subject to peer review.
I would have to agree, I see job adverts from recruiters which are simply jobs taken off company websites with the name removed. Or they will quote obsolete standards, qualifications and software you need to be able to use. Years ago VDU operator, was really common, as they used the old trope monitor = computer.
But have you seen other countries efforts? The UK spend thousands on a crappy rifle called the SA80, which was a copy of the AR18, the prototype even used ar15 parts. We then spent yet more thousands upgrading it to SA80A2 standards, would have been cheaper to get AKM or a 5.65 varient.
This has been going on for a while in the UK. Umbrella companies are common which is why toothless IR35 law was bought in. The bosses save on severance/redundancy/perks (dont laugh) and also 13% on the gross wages of each 'private contractor' and also 2% on mandatory pension contributions. While employees get to claim expenses off simply going to work like commuting and stuff.
A while ago 5 years now.. (how time flies) I ended up travelling across Eurasia on a motorbike. Passing through desolate areas like Kazakhstan and Siberia away from the railways would be a spooky experience. You'd put your tent up and it was so quiet you could hear your heart beat and your tinnitus. You would always think though that somebody was sneaking up on you and would stab you to death and rob you.
What makes you think we have any power to do anything? Much as I hate Russel Brand, he was interviewed last night and pretty much told us how it was. That voting changes nothing as you vote for corporate stooges who act in their own interests. Which is why he doesn't vote.
Thats not funny, SOCPA 2005 prohibits carrying more than £2000 of cash on you without good reason with the penalty of forfeiture if you can't prove where it came from. In fact a few years ago the London police went for a smash and grab of safe deposit boxes, it was all declared illegal except people went and started claiming it back with receipts.
TBH its not a question of trust per se, since it will be mass produced to the lowest bidder who will most likely cut corners. It is a bigger question of who is liable when it goes wrong? Right now the nut behind the wheel is liable, yet if we put an AI in charge, what happens when it goes wrong? The opt out / easy method is to still make the 'operator' liable. Will the 'operator' have to be awake at all times and focusing on the road for when something goes wrong? Because if so then although it may well self drive the fact it needs to be constantly monitored kinda negates a large part of its autonomy. I mean computers never go wrong right?
Sorry that was moved to the right not left!
A little side story. The great irony is, that Azerbaijani people are incredibly corrupt thus they get the government they deserve. I travelled from Tbilisi to Baku a few years ago. Right from the onset from the Azerbaijan border it was ALL about corruption. I had a visa and letter of invitation before hand. Right from the border it began, you had to pay a fee to 'park' in the border area, no pay fee? Your vehicle got trashed, the bloke in front had most of his windows smashed. Then you went from one building to another each time there happened to be forms with a hand written $5 price on each corner. At which a fat oaf with a stamp would refuse to stamp your entry documents unless you gave him $20. I had a buddy tried not to pay and was not allowed into the country. Then 20 metres from the border was a check point where the official would grab your passport and ransom it for $20. Refusing to pay got a bayonet in your tyre. Binoculars came out and there were MANY MANY such check points. So we went off road instead, but now and again had to stop for gas, it said something like .25 for a litre of gas. (it was cheap) except when it came to pay it was not .25 it was 25 a litre. Buying food and stuff the decimal place got moved to the left 2 places.
Even when we got to Baku nobody would give us directions without payment. Similar situation with hotels, big sign saying $x per night PRIVATE ROOMS! No, this is wrong, old sign! price was doubled or tripled.
Tired we paid and found it was a dorm with beds stacked 5 high.
Morning we came out and somebody had stolen our front wheels, $150 if we wanted them back.
Just driving to the port we were stopped and 'fined' many many times...
We couldn't wait to get out of there, heading to the port there was a port tax. Except we had to go back and forth to a building outside the port to pick up forms and get them stamped inside the port. Each time you entered incurred a $5 fee. There were MANY forms.
We got onto the ferry and were happy to be out of there.
But it reminds me of a VERY old game captive. When one of your androids was low on batteries you could as a last ditch attempt use fire to recharge your battery partially.
They've had the pull down grills (like a massive version of the George foreman grill) since the 1980s. I worked there for6 months in 89.
Nevermind the new jobs that this will enable.
I'm curious - what new careers do you foresee, that current professional drivers would qualify for? Or are you saying they should give up their fairly-decent-wage driving work and go flip burgers whilst sucking hind teet for minimum wage, social consequences be damned?
See, that's the real problem - I'm sure we can all come up with a million ideas for work the next few generations can do, but that means precisely jack shit to the current generation who will lose their only source of income.
What's the stop-gap for the time period between auto-cars taking work from humans, work they need to pay their bills, and the creation of these ephemeral 'new jobs' that won't exist for a good while?
Flip burgers you say? Except burger preparation is being automated.
It depends on how it is implemented. We have the Eastern model and the Western model. UK/USA are uber ruthless ONLY THE BOTTOM LINE MATTERS type economies. We see bits of this especially in the recent debate about giving two weeks notice. Where only the bottom line matters and corporates conveniently ignore the fact that employees also happen to be consumers. Probably why we are in death spiral mode right now. As companies make lower profits, they seek to cut costs, which puts people out of work.. which causes people to consume less, and so on... While Asian economies are funny things. Japan for instance, (lets ignore the fact that Japan is incredibly backwards outside Tokyo, they still use fax machines regularly! ATMs close at 5pm, you have to carry wads of cash with you everywhere). They could probably automate and stick robots everywhere. But they use people to over staff offices and make it super bureaucratic to keep people in jobs. Like making coffee in the western world we go to the machine ourselves. But a buddy working in Japan now has a refreshments lady who carts around a little trolley. Or the way that gas stations are often full service. Even in supposed hyperruthless capitalist Hong Kong. There are lots and lots of staff on the metro stations. When it gets busy in the morning and after work. They hire people to stand with signs on the platforms and at the entrances and exits, when a lump of concrete or a rope barrier would suffice.
In Hong Kong it costs money to receive calls, they call it a connection fee. Which means that people simply never answer calls to unfamiliar numbers. It there such a thing in the US? As far as I know there is no such thing as a connection fee in the UK.
Just not as integrated. They often have a PDA to look things up and cameras on police are slowly being rolled out. The old catching bad cops doesn't work though. As a number of times when something 'bad' happens, the tapes vanish. Case in point the Brazilian on the London Tube. Also Tomlinson London has the most CCTV per sqkm, yet they had the gall to say the tapes went missing or the cameras were broken. Even when there is footage oversight is not there, guy called Delbo King, cuffed and was kicked around on camera, no charges.
I expect us to think about it for ages and let the accountants pour cold water on it... It will then be forgotten for quite some time. Then China or Russia will build one... China already built a maglev. With China being #1 solar panel producers currently, the fact that land belongs to the government so they can build wherever they want (and violently force people who refuse to move) as well as billions of depreciating dollars held in reserve and engineers as their one party politicians rather than lawyers (like USA and UK)
Last year Stacy and Max tied the knot, so its not just tolerating him. If he did make less noise and acted a bit saner. He would probably not stand out in the 1000s of pundits anyway.
There is always his other programme, On the Edge. Where he seems to be an much quieter alter ego. Hell it beats the BBC interpretation of a good economy, i.e. house prices going up is great for the economy!
Although it sounds ambitious I have doubts...... Mainly due to the shift in responsibility. 20-30 years ago you got bad grades? Your own fault. Today you get bad grades? Teachers fault. Hence a shift towards teaching to the exam....... Secondly go further to FE colleges (16+) and the situation gets worse. If you have a read of the Wolf Report (2011) she came up with damning conclusions about the education system especially FE. That courses were run not to benefit the learners, but purely to game the government funding system since the funding formulae changed once the children got above 14 and were based on results.