you should check out mail toaster from tnpi - it's open source - built on/against FreeBSD - but a creative soul can pretty easily get it going on Linux (if Linux is that important to you). http://www.tnpi.biz/internet/mail/toaster/
it's qmail/imap based and scales quite well in my experience.
We're still trying to understand the special phenomenon that is affecting the Voyager space probes, but I haven't heard anyone mention anything about a possible vortex around the Sun.
:) no argument there, I guess what I was hoping for was more of an analysis of this election and it's candidates. It just seems a little hypocritical to me that several of todays front-page stories are gripes about this or that, policitally and I didn't see anywhere a "by the way, here's a link to some info on candidates running in todays election" or anything.
(sidenote: does anybody know of any good sites out there that break down US political candidates in a way useful to a lot of us "one-topic" voters? (be us gun-nuts, tech-nuts, privacy-nuts, etc))
(For the record, being without a television, the only reason I remembered it was election day was because MSNBC.com told me so (friend's homepage).)
bemis -welcome to the internet, where the men are men, the women are men, and the small girls are FBI agents-
Well -- I'm more than a little disapointed to see that (as of 2:30p CDT) There hasn't been a front page article reminding American Slashdotters to get out and vote today. With all of the politics that buzz around this site I *really* expected to log onto slashdot this morning to not only a "Hey USers, remember to vote today!" story, but also some tips about certain candidates -- etc...
Perhaps this isn't the right topic for this gripe, but I guess if you're going to complain about an America-centric problem like the FBI tapping your library's computer, you should at least *try* to do something about it.
seems odd that telco's would look at the popularity of "cheap" online alternatives and be upset, as opposed to altering their pricing schemes to be more appealing to "the populaces"...... just my two centabos.
(disclaim: my opinion) You can (relatively easilly) run an X-server on OSX... although i personally think it's a little overly complicated (sorry... i admit it, i'm used to getting a nice "preconfigured" (to some extent) Gnome+KDE+AfterStep+BlackBox+WindowMaker+etc ad infinitum X setup with my distro, regardless of which distro that is)... While Quartz (Aqua?) gives me a nice GUI, it doesn't give me the flexability and ease of WM change that my normal *NIX-Alikes would out of box... (i use RedHat, Mandrake, SlackWare, FreeBSD and OpenBSD)...
that having been said... it is a very slick set up, and i'm completely in love with my ibook dual booting OS9.2/OSX(10.1) and installing the X-components that allow you to run X-apps over aqua it is nice to be able to run my normal (lots of them at least) apps under OSX instead of mucking around in LinuxPPC or one of the PPC ports of *BSD.
The intent of my post was not to be about "beowolf clusters" but rather to entice the reader into thinking about many cloned einsteins solving many unanswered questions about the universe. the beowolf cluster analogy just seemed appropriate for the site, and an appropriate slang term for a group of items(people) processing data(theories). Sorry about the mis-communication.
indeed. the amusement was there nonetheless... and while yes a group of cloned "geniuses" (be they einstein, newton or hawking or any other...) is an interesting thought, i'm inclined to believe that they would likely find themselves perplexed by the same issues as their original counterparts, and (unless if you made their upbringing and educations completely different) unable to bounce ideas off one another... and thus the question is begged as to whether the "genius" is a product of genetics, environment, education, or something else entirely...
okay... this has taken *way* too many brain-ticks away from work...
-bemis- ...so once when I was six I did... that was the day of my first headache
I do believe that this is the first time in almost 2 years that I've seen a "can you imagine a beowulf cluster of these babys" post that wasn't modded down to "-1" (yet)... congratulations.
bemis -his self-image seemed somehow.. untainted by reality...
There are several issues involved here that could be (and will be, I'm sure) argued... but my only question is this: is the Open Source community secure enough in it's place in the market already to start forcing things like this onto it's users? This is one of those topics that does have merit, but I am of the opinion that any SysAdmin who chooses to go with an Open Source (read: "free") solution will not want the additional hassle of constantly updating it and tinkering...
Isn't this one of the selling points of things like Linux/BSD that (under correct/secure curcumstances) they *can* run indefinately without maintenance?
no argument here -- i was merely stating that there are some very competant and intelligent people that have taken that path -- you are *very* correct in your assertation that over 90% (god -- even that number seems small) of thw virii/worms that ever get "in the wild" are buggy and poorly written -- one might argue several points to account for this, but i'd guess it simply stems from the fact that unlike "production-code" worm-writers aren't terribly likely to test all of their loops and jumps...shrug.... just my 2-centabos i guess..
I really must disagree with your assertation that nobody really competant has worked on a worm -- the *original* worm (an Unix/VMS worm if I recall correctly) was written by a *VERY* competant person (RTM), and following in his misguided footsteps several extraordinary minds have followed -- there have been several different types of worm/virus writers, ranging from intelligent/competant programmers who are trying to prove a point, not hurt anyone all the way across the board to punk kids who want to make a statement with their copycat of the most recent "worm-du-jour".
I guess my point is that competance and maliciousness are seperate items in the context of worm/virus authoring, and (knock on wood) have primarrily been mutually exclusive.
There was a very similar discussion on BugTraq during the first "outbreak" of CodeRed. The consensus pretty much was that while this would be technically possible, and (really) trvial, technically -- the question must arise "we can, should we?" -- and the ultimate answer appears to be a resounding "no".
By loosing another worm onto the network, we would be adding to an already saturated network significantly more traffic -- *and* we'd be violating anothers box/property -- ultimately making the writer of any "CodeRed-Fix_worm" no better than the original authors. (How many worm/virus/exploit writers do you know that have said "i wrote it to show that the vulnerability existed -- so someone would fix it"?)
bemis -- Everyone in the world is doing something without me.
As a consultant for a state-organization in Texas, US I'm given pretty leniant "in-the-office" hours (between 35 and 45 hours per week), but this number doesn't take into account the fact that I go home, and test scenarios out on my home LAN for viability at work, or the fact that I can't *not* think through work-problems on home-time... this I suppose is the curse of "intellectual-workers" and part (along with the "on-call-status" of most of us) of why we're salaried as opposed to hourly. (optimists point of view).
... only mostly kidding -- as a contractor particularly you'll see alot of this (the situation described seems very contractor-ish)... i've experienced it for several years and only recently have discovered the worse arena of salaries. anyway -- there are ways around the pager -- i've lost more pagers than i care to remember due to inconvenient timing of their going off (mid-drink some friday night -- pager explodes against brick-barroom-wall/hunting -- pager explodes in a skeet-shooting "accident") -- and oddly enough my bosses understood...
just my experience.
Okay... I could very well be missing the point altogether here... but it seems to me that 'we' as a world/nation (pri.nation) went through all of these exact (change a few key concerns) same thing as the industrial revolution bloomed. Thinking back to my history classes... people were concerned about all of the immigrant labor... people were concerned about their kids "moving off to the city" (and implied "off of the farm"... and ultimately no one really looked back, as the rest of the world (eventually) caught up.
I know this doesn't address all of your issues, but I believe that HushMail will be able to help you with some of them -- yes it's web based (not ssh+pop)... but it's secure and in my experience has been very stable/capable.
bemis
Does anyone that runs these large apps under wine have any comments on the stability of them? It's been my experience that while many apps run.. they are not necessarily going to function "as expected" and will frequently crash (matter of fact, putty managed to crash my entire X session).
bemis if everybody had an ocean... across the usa... everybody be surfin'...
What do they really expect out of these software packages though? I mean... short of hiring a full-time staff that exclusively surfs through the entire web (remember, google alone has indexed some 1.3 *BILLION* pages) how are you going to maintain that "breast" is sincerely in reference to something as innocent as "baked-chicken-breast" or "breast cancer" as opposed to "hot naked breasts!"?... I don't mean that the current options shouldn't be held accountable for the level of accountability that the rest of us are, but a little bit of leniance, and perhaps a peer-review system of blocked pages (and a configureable filter) are all called for...
just a poor corporate boys thoughts... bemis wtf does LI- mean again?
After all of the fiasco of the debates, the lopsided press and the uber-focused ads it *is* good to see sites that are at least trying to stay impartial and give voters information that is useful, and not strictly propoganda.
I really like the Borda count also -- although i'm not sure i (or much of the rest of the voting-population) would be well-enough informed about the issues, and canidates to rank more than the top 2 or 3 canidates; and as the article said: there will be *ALOT* of "party voting" (bush:1; gore:7// gore:7; bush:1) which will screw things up... i also really wish that it was easier for the masses to keep track of what's really what with what these guys are saying rather than being forced to either believe what canidate A says about canidate B or what the mass-media tells us (in their own agenda-driven-ways) is "gospel".
Personally although i know it's basically a "throw-away" vote, i'm planning on writing in mccain.. he really seemed like the only one (9 months ago) in the running that had much of a clue, and any real integrity...maybe i just fit his demographic, whatever... but he seemed like 'the guy'...
Slashdot Mirror
you should check out mail toaster from tnpi - it's open source - built on/against FreeBSD - but a creative soul can pretty easily get it going on Linux (if Linux is that important to you).
http://www.tnpi.biz/internet/mail/toaster/
it's qmail/imap based and scales quite well in my experience.
isn't that when amd releases their new chipset?
We're still trying to understand the special phenomenon that is affecting the Voyager space probes, but I haven't heard anyone mention anything about a possible vortex around the Sun.
are you referring to the Pioneer Anomaly ?
bemis
http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=786
I don't think BitTorrent sites qualify as "dissidents" exactly.
bemis
:)
no argument there, I guess what I was hoping for was more of an analysis of this election and it's candidates. It just seems a little hypocritical to me that several of todays front-page stories are gripes about this or that, policitally and I didn't see anywhere a "by the way, here's a link to some info on candidates running in todays election" or anything.
(sidenote: does anybody know of any good sites out there that break down US political candidates in a way useful to a lot of us "one-topic" voters? (be us gun-nuts, tech-nuts, privacy-nuts, etc))
(For the record, being without a television, the only reason I remembered it was election day was because MSNBC.com told me so (friend's homepage).)
bemis
-welcome to the internet, where the men are men, the women are men, and the small girls are FBI agents-
Well -- I'm more than a little disapointed to see that (as of 2:30p CDT) There hasn't been a front page article reminding American Slashdotters to get out and vote today. With all of the politics that buzz around this site I *really* expected to log onto slashdot this morning to not only a "Hey USers, remember to vote today!" story, but also some tips about certain candidates -- etc ...
Perhaps this isn't the right topic for this gripe, but I guess if you're going to complain about an America-centric problem like the FBI tapping your library's computer, you should at least *try* to do something about it.
Just my two cents.
bemis
seems odd that telco's would look at the popularity of "cheap" online alternatives and be upset, as opposed to altering their pricing schemes to be more appealing to "the populaces" ... ... just my two centabos.
(disclaim: my opinion) ... although i personally think it's a little overly complicated (sorry ... i admit it, i'm used to getting a nice "preconfigured" (to some extent) Gnome+KDE+AfterStep+BlackBox+WindowMaker+etc ad infinitum X setup with my distro, regardless of which distro that is) ... While Quartz (Aqua?) gives me a nice GUI, it doesn't give me the flexability and ease of WM change that my normal *NIX-Alikes would out of box ... (i use RedHat, Mandrake, SlackWare, FreeBSD and OpenBSD) ...
... it is a very slick set up, and i'm completely in love with my ibook dual booting OS9.2/OSX(10.1) and installing the X-components that allow you to run X-apps over aqua it is nice to be able to run my normal (lots of them at least) apps under OSX instead of mucking around in LinuxPPC or one of the PPC ports of *BSD.
You can (relatively easilly) run an X-server on OSX
that having been said
check this out.
... it's amusing, not entirely serious, but might prove helpful.
ESR did this piece about setting his wife (a windows-junkie-lawyer) up under Linux/KDE
bemis
-The fellow who thinks he knows it all is especially annoying to those of us who do. - Harold Coffin
The intent of my post was not to be about "beowolf clusters" but rather to entice the reader into thinking about many cloned einsteins solving many unanswered questions about the universe. the beowolf cluster analogy just seemed appropriate for the site, and an appropriate slang term for a group of items(people) processing data(theories). Sorry about the mis-communication.
... and while yes a group of cloned "geniuses" (be they einstein, newton or hawking or any other...) is an interesting thought, i'm inclined to believe that they would likely find themselves perplexed by the same issues as their original counterparts, and (unless if you made their upbringing and educations completely different) unable to bounce ideas off one another ... and thus the question is begged as to whether the "genius" is a product of genetics, environment, education, or something else entirely ...
... this has taken *way* too many brain-ticks away from work ...
...so once when I was six I did ... that was the day of my first headache
indeed. the amusement was there nonetheless
okay
-bemis-
I do believe that this is the first time in almost 2 years that I've seen a "can you imagine a beowulf cluster of these babys" post that wasn't modded down to "-1" (yet) ... congratulations.
.. untainted by reality...
bemis
-his self-image seemed somehow
There are several issues involved here that could be (and will be, I'm sure) argued ... but my only question is this: is the Open Source community secure enough in it's place in the market already to start forcing things like this onto it's users? This is one of those topics that does have merit, but I am of the opinion that any SysAdmin who chooses to go with an Open Source (read: "free") solution will not want the additional hassle of constantly updating it and tinkering ...
.sig here}-
Isn't this one of the selling points of things like Linux/BSD that (under correct/secure curcumstances) they *can* run indefinately without maintenance?
Am I missing something?
bemis
-{insert lost
sorry -- the 90% number was from a different conversation -- but you get what i was getting at -- :)
bemis
no argument here -- i was merely stating that there are some very competant and intelligent people that have taken that path -- you are *very* correct in your assertation that over 90% (god -- even that number seems small) of thw virii/worms that ever get "in the wild" are buggy and poorly written -- one might argue several points to account for this, but i'd guess it simply stems from the fact that unlike "production-code" worm-writers aren't terribly likely to test all of their loops and jumps .. .shrug. ... just my 2-centabos i guess ..
bemis
I really must disagree with your assertation that nobody really competant has worked on a worm -- the *original* worm (an Unix/VMS worm if I recall correctly) was written by a *VERY* competant person (RTM), and following in his misguided footsteps several extraordinary minds have followed -- there have been several different types of worm/virus writers, ranging from intelligent/competant programmers who are trying to prove a point, not hurt anyone all the way across the board to punk kids who want to make a statement with their copycat of the most recent "worm-du-jour".
I guess my point is that competance and maliciousness are seperate items in the context of worm/virus authoring, and (knock on wood) have primarrily been mutually exclusive.
bemis
Am I the only one getting
HTTP Error 403: Forbidden
on everything at that site?
just checking
bemis
There was a very similar discussion on BugTraq during the first "outbreak" of CodeRed. The consensus pretty much was that while this would be technically possible, and (really) trvial, technically -- the question must arise "we can, should we?" -- and the ultimate answer appears to be a resounding "no".
By loosing another worm onto the network, we would be adding to an already saturated network significantly more traffic -- *and* we'd be violating anothers box/property -- ultimately making the writer of any "CodeRed-Fix_worm" no better than the original authors. (How many worm/virus/exploit writers do you know that have said "i wrote it to show that the vulnerability existed -- so someone would fix it"?)
bemis
-- Everyone in the world is doing something without me.
As a consultant for a state-organization in Texas, US I'm given pretty leniant "in-the-office" hours (between 35 and 45 hours per week), but this number doesn't take into account the fact that I go home, and test scenarios out on my home LAN for viability at work, or the fact that I can't *not* think through work-problems on home-time ... this I suppose is the curse of "intellectual-workers" and part (along with the "on-call-status" of most of us) of why we're salaried as opposed to hourly. (optimists point of view).
... only mostly kidding -- as a contractor particularly you'll see alot of this (the situation described seems very contractor-ish) ... i've experienced it for several years and only recently have discovered the worse arena of salaries. anyway -- there are ways around the pager -- i've lost more pagers than i care to remember due to inconvenient timing of their going off (mid-drink some friday night -- pager explodes against brick-barroom-wall/hunting -- pager explodes in a skeet-shooting "accident") -- and oddly enough my bosses understood ...
just my experience.
Okay ... I could very well be missing the point altogether here ... but it seems to me that 'we' as a world/nation (pri.nation) went through all of these exact (change a few key concerns) same thing as the industrial revolution bloomed. Thinking back to my history classes ... people were concerned about all of the immigrant labor ... people were concerned about their kids "moving off to the city" (and implied "off of the farm" ... and ultimately no one really looked back, as the rest of the world (eventually) caught up.
.sig, so I did
bemis
My boss told me to change this
I know this doesn't address all of your issues, but I believe that HushMail will be able to help you with some of them -- yes it's web based (not ssh+pop) ... but it's secure and in my experience has been very stable/capable.
bemis
Does anyone that runs these large apps under wine have any comments on the stability of them? It's been my experience that while many apps run .. they are not necessarily going to function "as expected" and will frequently crash (matter of fact, putty managed to crash my entire X session).
... across the usa ... everybody be surfin'...
bemis
if everybody had an ocean
What do they really expect out of these software packages though? I mean ... short of hiring a full-time staff that exclusively surfs through the entire web (remember, google alone has indexed some 1.3 *BILLION* pages) how are you going to maintain that "breast" is sincerely in reference to something as innocent as "baked-chicken-breast" or "breast cancer" as opposed to "hot naked breasts!"? ... I don't mean that the current options shouldn't be held accountable for the level of accountability that the rest of us are, but a little bit of leniance, and perhaps a peer-review system of blocked pages (and a configureable filter) are all called for ...
just a poor corporate boys thoughts...
bemis
wtf does LI- mean again?
After all of the fiasco of the debates, the lopsided press and the uber-focused ads it *is* good to see sites that are at least trying to stay impartial and give voters information that is useful, and not strictly propoganda.
Mike--been a while :)
// gore:7; bush:1) which will screw things up ... i also really wish that it was easier for the masses to keep track of what's really what with what these guys are saying rather than being forced to either believe what canidate A says about canidate B or what the mass-media tells us (in their own agenda-driven-ways) is "gospel".
.. he really seemed like the only one (9 months ago) in the running that had much of a clue, and any real integrity...maybe i just fit his demographic, whatever ... but he seemed like 'the guy'...
I really like the Borda count also -- although i'm not sure i (or much of the rest of the voting-population) would be well-enough informed about the issues, and canidates to rank more than the top 2 or 3 canidates; and as the article said: there will be *ALOT* of "party voting" (bush:1; gore:7
Personally although i know it's basically a "throw-away" vote, i'm planning on writing in mccain
bemis
WTF does LIL- mean again?!?