I really don't know if it holds water, I have not seen it tested in court. I would think it might be enforceable if they gave you advance warning that the changes will be taking effect.
OK I believe that somebody might be looking at this all wrong on how they estimate the losses.
ISP and most larger host buy there Bandwidth buy the Megabit depending on your datacenter, this cost is from 350 to 850 per mbit and depend the burstability of that contract.
for example you could have a 10mbit system at a cost of 450 / mbit but if you burst beond 10mbit you will be charged 650.... then you have rates for up or down.
so using the example of those 10 pc each with 1mbit possiblities that equals a chance that they cause burtable charges and if any of them ran web sites then they would have killed the ISP with charges.
ISP get a break on Bandwidth rates becasue most (60% +) of there traffic is inbound ( from the web to the user ) if any of these guys ran a site from there server at home they would be causing the reverse. That has huge penalties for small ISP's
you made some very good points. I wont argue any of them becasue they make sense to me.
but there is one aspect of this thread that everyone has seemed to overlook. The ridicule ( yes you pointed it out for the student that sits down ), but surely you must recall how anybody would look to find a fault to another person, specifically if that person was a geek. Any excuse was valid. ( i'm recalling the 80's so I might not be able to relate much to this )
Bad enough ( for that student ) that someone wishes him/her to participate in the pledge, where in high school there is no opt-out policy, otherwise you'll suffer with the school pier presures. Now you find out you have the right, then you exersize it and you will suffer for it. I don't think that any group would welcome that person.
Gee even I would have to think about that sort of association and I was pals with everybody, even the weird ones. tough call for whomever does actively participate against the pledge in high school.
but I got to say one thing, If you got the balls to do that, and to mean it in your heart, then you can become anything you desire.
when you purchase software in the USA, most companies have a terms of agreement about the purchase. so you have those rules to contend with. then you have the EULA.
I just looked at an old access 97 disk and package. yep there is a red lable stuck across the case at the area where you can open it.
summary " if you open this, you agree to the rules of the game written by MS "
>>Could Ralph Nader write "Unsafe at Any Speed" in today's legal climate.
you have brought out a very valid point, But I think that if you first print it ( in paper ) then issue the online copy afterwards you might be safe, In any case the reuslts should be interesting.
> represents commercial use of sensitive information.
Note: I have not read the anything about the Hanssen case.
Well it's about time, we are the only government that does not support the businesses by the assistance of spying. In Europe and Asia, it is common for there spies to reaseach and gather american technology for a buisness.
Don't think that your wondering is wrong. If you purchased ( via a contract) for a specific amount of space, your should be entitled to ustilize that space to your needs ( as long as it conforms to the contracts TOS ). so to me what you just said makes alot of sense.
Might be a good way to go after a problem. if this person is set as the example of what spam might be, then we will have another tool to fight spam. So instead of taking on the big guys with big lawyers, get the little guy with good lawyers and fight it out.
all this might be is a foundation base. It seems that alot of laws resently have been past about spam.
Heck I don't know where your from but this is real easy to test. plus we are not talking about a lab experiment, some/. could easy prove me correct. Anyway we know ice floats, I was talking about what's above the surface line of the ice. it's only a little bit but that little bit is about 1/6 to 1/10 of the total volume of the ice. so even after displacement ( replaced by melting water ) you still have the top of the ice that was never accounted for.
also displacement of a solid mass is measured for the entire volume, an object floating on water will only measure up to the plain where it floats.
Well they release methaine (SP?), but trees are the best for of carbon locking that the general population can deal with. Hey plant a tree, lock up 100 lbs of carbon. not alot but every little bit helps until we have zero polution.
Funny that you have asked that question, you would think that because water freezes and take up more volume there would be a cancelation effect. but try this:
take a pan ( about 4 inches deep ) add about 2 inches of water then about another inch of ice cubes, measure the side. then let it melt ( cover the try with something ), you'll get a small rise of about 1/8 of an inch.
Given the above experiment is not proof but most people forget that Ice surface is only 1/10 to 1/6 of what's below.
don't know about goatse, but verio, sprint and just about all the carriers Tier 1 guys let you run porn bandwidth if you tell them that you will do it.
Wow aot of confusion here. the author of the software makes it plain that he does not want another firms software running. and if that software is there he presents you with an uninstall button. now if you don't uninstall the offending software then the authors program will not work.
seems perfectly ok. Infact I'm very surprised that M$ has not done something like this, but that would smack the sherman act real fast. Heck if I created an application that the only way I could get revenue was to have advertising I would make sure that you could not block the ad's.
>>You will have many less expences in your life also, no car insurance ($2000 a year) >This $2000 figure is ridiculous. Even in Canada a good driver gets away with CDN$ 600-800 per year. In USA $300/yr is all it takes.
If you live in NJ that figure might be low. But then again we have the highest insureance rates in the nation on average
Interestingly that you mentioned that, I went to ask my father about this and he said, Yep them guys have the standards and all the city does is photocopy the documents into their lawbooks.
but it's a bit deeper than that, from how my father explained it. SMC is just one on the few highly regaurded associations that develope building codes. these building codes are then adopted by towns. Now does the towns own the rights to these codes.
now the arguement is: I wrote what is the correct thing to do.
you have taken it way from me ( because ever builder needs these codes and that's how I make money ), to use it so that everyone knows what the right thing to do is. you can print it yourself ( law is free to all )
all I want, is to be paid for my work.
Side note: even if it's building code, the association that wrote the code might be held liable. just talk to the people that build pools ( I forgot the name but it's like the home builders association ) . they just were taken to court and lost because a problem with a pool code.
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I really don't know if it holds water, I have not seen it tested in court. I would think it might be enforceable if they gave you advance warning that the changes will be taking effect.
Onepoint
OK I believe that somebody might be looking at this all wrong on how they estimate the losses.
.... then you have rates for up or down.
ISP and most larger host buy there Bandwidth buy the Megabit depending on your datacenter, this cost is from 350 to 850 per mbit and depend the burstability of that contract.
for example you could have a 10mbit system at a cost of 450 / mbit but if you burst beond 10mbit you will be charged 650
so using the example of those 10 pc each with 1mbit possiblities that equals a chance that they cause burtable charges and if any of them ran web sites then they would have killed the ISP with charges.
ISP get a break on Bandwidth rates becasue most (60% +) of there traffic is inbound ( from the web to the user ) if any of these guys ran a site from there server at home they would be causing the reverse. That has huge penalties for small ISP's
ONEPOINT
you made some very good points. I wont argue any of them becasue they make sense to me.
but there is one aspect of this thread that everyone has seemed to overlook. The ridicule ( yes you pointed it out for the student that sits down ), but surely you must recall how anybody would look to find a fault to another person, specifically if that person was a geek. Any excuse was valid. ( i'm recalling the 80's so I might not be able to relate much to this )
Bad enough ( for that student ) that someone wishes him/her to participate in the pledge, where in high school there is no opt-out policy, otherwise you'll suffer with the school pier presures. Now you find out you have the right, then you exersize it and you will suffer for it. I don't think that any group would welcome that person.
Gee even I would have to think about that sort of association and I was pals with everybody, even the weird ones. tough call for whomever does actively participate against the pledge in high school.
but I got to say one thing, If you got the balls to do that, and to mean it in your heart, then you can become anything you desire.
Onepoint
No, they are transfering the right to rent to you, simple.
or at least I see it as simple
onepoint
>>This is almost an irrelevant point, but most vendors don't let you return software once it's been opened, and you have to open it to read the EULA.
that's not the software manufactures problem, that's your problem, because you went to the wrong store.
ONEPOINT
when you purchase software in the USA, most companies have a terms of agreement about the purchase. so you have those rules to contend with. then you have the EULA.
I just looked at an old access 97 disk and package. yep there is a red lable stuck across the case at the area where you can open it.
summary " if you open this, you agree to the rules of the game written by MS "
ONEPOINT
I once gave a gift to a geek pal of mine a 4 digit ICQ account. I bought it for $225.
so that was not to much ber byte
Onepoint
p.s. anybody got 1 lower than # 2000 so I can enjoy a good joke of him
If I had mod on I would have given you alot of funny
Onepoint
thanks for killing a great memory, till today I never knew that. LOL
LOL, I recall when they changed the drinking age I was grandfathered, but my best friend was not ( born 2 months later )
onepoint
I think he's using a C-64, but I thought it was 8,1
onepoint
>>Could Ralph Nader write "Unsafe at Any Speed" in today's legal climate.
you have brought out a very valid point, But I think that if you first print it ( in paper ) then issue the online copy afterwards you might be safe, In any case the reuslts should be interesting.
Mike
well e-mail in one way or another has been around since the mid 80's. I recall back in 1989 I had an mci mail account.
> represents commercial use of sensitive information.
Note: I have not read the anything about the Hanssen case.
Well it's about time, we are the only government that does not support the businesses by the assistance of spying. In Europe and Asia, it is common for there spies to reaseach and gather american technology for a buisness.
Don't think that your wondering is wrong. If you purchased ( via a contract) for a specific amount of space, your should be entitled to ustilize that space to your needs ( as long as it conforms to the contracts TOS ). so to me what you just said makes alot of sense.
ONEPOINT
Might be a good way to go after a problem. if this person is set as the example of what spam might be, then we will have another tool to fight spam. So instead of taking on the big guys with big lawyers, get the little guy with good lawyers and fight it out.
all this might be is a foundation base. It seems that alot of laws resently have been past about spam.
Mike
Heck I don't know where your from but this is real easy to test. plus we are not talking about a lab experiment, some /. could easy prove me correct. Anyway we know ice floats, I was talking about what's above the surface line of the ice. it's only a little bit but that little bit is about 1/6 to 1/10 of the total volume of the ice. so even after displacement ( replaced by melting water ) you still have the top of the ice that was never accounted for.
also displacement of a solid mass is measured for the entire volume, an object floating on water will only measure up to the plain where it floats.
Well they release methaine (SP?), but trees are the best for of carbon locking that the general population can deal with. Hey plant a tree, lock up 100 lbs of carbon. not alot but every little bit helps until we have zero polution.
Funny that you have asked that question, you would think that because water freezes and take up more volume there would be a cancelation effect. but try this:
take a pan ( about 4 inches deep ) add about 2 inches of water then about another inch of ice cubes, measure the side. then let it melt ( cover the try with something ), you'll get a small rise of about 1/8 of an inch.
Given the above experiment is not proof but most people forget that Ice surface is only 1/10 to 1/6 of what's below.
Mike
was there not another remake along simular lines called tri-pods or something like that ( back in the late 80's )
onepoint
don't know about goatse, but verio, sprint and just about all the carriers Tier 1 guys let you run porn bandwidth if you tell them that you will do it.
simple
Wow aot of confusion here. the author of the software makes it plain that he does not want another firms software running. and if that software is there he presents you with an uninstall button. now if you don't uninstall the offending software then the authors program will not work.
seems perfectly ok. Infact I'm very surprised that M$ has not done something like this, but that would smack the sherman act real fast. Heck if I created an application that the only way I could get revenue was to have advertising I would make sure that you could not block the ad's.
onepoint
>>You will have many less expences in your life also, no car insurance ($2000 a year)
>This $2000 figure is ridiculous. Even in Canada a good driver gets away with CDN$ 600-800 per year. In USA $300/yr is all it takes.
If you live in NJ that figure might be low. But then again we have the highest insureance rates in the nation on average
-onepoint
Interestingly that you mentioned that, I went to ask my father about this and he said, Yep them guys have the standards and all the city does is photocopy the documents into their lawbooks.
:
but it's a bit deeper than that, from how my father explained it. SMC is just one on the few highly regaurded associations that develope building codes. these building codes are then adopted by towns. Now does the towns own the rights to these codes.
now the arguement is
I wrote what is the correct thing to do.
you have taken it way from me ( because ever builder needs these codes and that's how I make money ), to use it so that everyone knows what the right thing to do is. you can print it yourself ( law is free to all )
all I want, is to be paid for my work.
Side note:
even if it's building code, the association that wrote the code might be held liable. just talk to the people that build pools ( I forgot the name but it's like the home builders association ) . they just were taken to court and lost because a problem with a pool code.
I looked at my road runner contract, in there it states that there are limits. But I could not find the actual limits. but it mentions it in passing.
ONEPOINT