I think it was 2.8 Minutes. Worst part about it was as you said, they were alive inside. Just saw it on discovery last month and they spoke on the design and how everyone was sure that they survived till impact. Also is way they won't release the tapes of the conversation for that last few minutes of there lives, Must be a scary ride.
but again the point is prevention of the problem happening. Why does somebody have to fly at 55mph in a 25mph zone. Most people wont understand this unless they are parents, nothing worst that seeing a kid run into the street chasing a ball.
Well anyway, we've upgraded the situation, the local law enforcement now parks a van with the radar speed so that everyone slows down. Helps even more. At night a few times a week, they park infront of my house an unmarked car catch a few speeder ( I bring out coffee for them at 2am or 4 am when i see them) so I have improved and taken accountable actions to improve my area for better long term results.
Next step is to get an old patrol car parked in the area every day after school
>>No one wants to take responisibility for anything.
thank you for saying it out loud. Nobody seems to care about the results of thier actions.
People were I live are very much like this person. Thinking that they are always correct and could give 2 sh*t about the effects. Lately I've figured out how to fight them, Video tape and submision to the local police enforcement. It's been working, I no longer have people drag racing on my street as much. ( we have a park in the center and there are a ton of kids playing )
>>Unfortunately, the tools for this largely exist already. Squads of police with electrified riot shields can move large crowds rather effectively, and there are foams that can be sprayed which contain powerful irritants to blockade routes of exit. Mass photography and facial recognition is also used to identify large numbers of people.
Not a bad idea, but it get's a bit to close to big brother. Better to have a 3rd party review the cameras video and point out whom should be targeted to facial recongnition because of an action ( like breaking of a window ), that way you protect the right's of the protester that have taken a non-violent action.
I don't know that this is true but I woudl like to believe it. Violent protestors are not the group that starts the protest ( in the USA ), but people that join in to hide amoung the protestors and take advantage of the activity.
>>At least on the riot control's side, they're not hitting people with the batons or pepper sprays, etc., which could lead to lawsuits of excessive/unnecessary force.
If I had MOD points I would have given them.
By giving the rioter the point where they can not longer pass. the rioter has to learn how to make there statements better know.
If anything this is the best thing in the improvement of free speach, since you can no longer pass a certain point, you must find a way to overcome. Now the protesters will learn marketing ( I like those anti-smoking ad's myself and i'm a smoker who is trying to quit ), how to deal with the press better. Also I think that the abuse to protesters ( and the property around them ) will be reduced.
Well the truth is that you might have a bit to worry about if you are doing business with China.
if your pal is ever found out, there is a high chance that whatever contract that he's working on, with the Chinese might be delayed or worst yet canceled.
The small fact is that thier government, can and does cancel contracts if they feel that they have been slighted.
You are very correct, Accountability is the name of the game here.
I myself got into trouble with a blacklist, but if it was not for them, I would have been stuck with open relays. once I fixed it, I submitted my application for test. they found me clean and let the mail fly again.
>>As for airplay, are you suggesting that kickbacks and payola don't dominate the industry? If so there are many people with more experience than me and likely than you, who would vehemently disagree
well kickbacks/payola are not as common as they once were. this was due to the information sharing system call soundscan. This basically took it out because the truth was know about the artist and the damand for hte artist. That's why alot of stations sound the same (to everyones loss).
now I depend on a self made list of every colledge radio station I've made contact with and what the DJ's like and don't like. if the artist has any skill I can easyly get them some airplay, but the sad truth is, there are very few gifted and talented artist. most of them can not follow even a well defined beat. Also as we all know the listening publics taste is varied, so sometimes certain music is not desired. but air play is air play. I've been following this one tiny band here in newark (NJ), they have a neat following and can fill 125 seats without a problem. there manager is the smartest man I've met. they told me once they can fill 200 seats the web site starts. after that touring the entire state and to NYC. runs it like a business.
>>"Stealing" and "Theft" both require the victim to lose something.
If the only manner you get to listen to the music is via the music store or the purchase, then your copy of that persons music is copyright violation and in my terms, theft.
side note:
Any artist that does not post something on the net for the listening public is a fool. It's only smart business. 30 to 60 seconds if listening time per song will generate sales if you work at it.
People buy when they have an interest, but the problem comes from those that have an interest but desire the entire thing for free. so the file swapping happens.
If you want to find out about the artist Shanachie ( or the Irish music folk style called Shanachie ) all you had to do was a search.
It would seem that most people want's something for free and will look at any way possible to get it.
I have a problem with those our action, but I'm willing to take the risk to hold people accountable for thier actions.
If you download the song, you have stolen the work. You have no title to the work, Unless they are giving it away.
Airplay issue: unless you are in the entertainment business you should not comment. I am in the entertainment business and could without fail, find atleast 3 staions to play the music in the USA for almost all styles. Now most people are never willing to commit the resources and skill to try to make it.
They give up to quick. they never contact a lawyer when the contract is infront of them. They get there brother to manage the band. If they get the contract and start touring, they break up the hotel ( there goes the profits because the band has to pay for that ) they don't run the band like a business. Most band that succeed run it like a business till they milk it dry. best example is the rolling stones, once they started running it like a business they kept on making money.
Also it seems that you are not aware of something. there are over 1000 small "real" labels ( there are thousands more), they control about 60% of the music output, they buy there distribution from the big guys ( whom have about 85% of the market ) even if you take the big guys out, you'll end up hurting the little guys.
Your friend and the artist is doing the right thing. But let's not forget, it's not us to judge the artist contract. the record company is the venture capitolist here, they put up the money in hopes of making it back, and they own the physical distribution.
I hope that nobody will pirate Shanachie's work, but again, based on the talk's within this community, it's a fair game to rip this artist off also.
if it's true then we can safely say that all our communications start points and end points are known.... and that is almost as valueable as knowing the words spoken on the call itself.
>>I have been to India (did consulting there) and have to say I have nothing to worry about. Sure some work will go to India, but you get what you pay for. I am not knocking the Indian programmers.
I agree with you entirely, need quick code to place a good demo out within 1.5 months go to an Indian or Pakistan shop. they get the fundimentals working. Need security done at a tight level, Hire our a Russian shop.
Finalize the code and get it all cleaned up ( or entirely redone). go Europe and Canada shop. Need to find new ideas on your product, stick to North American shops
>From what I understand of sociology, this translates into a 6-month countdown before a year-long spike in violent crime and suicide rates begins.
hey would you mind sharing where you found that information. I don't have it anywhere in my forecast/patterns notes ( I collect patterns and cycle notes as a hobby, funny thing is I got this unemployment/market pop cycle right but I don't have the corrating crime data to go along with it.)
Onepoint
p.s. if there are any lunix guys that need part time work via telecomuting I have a few projects that need cleaning or tightning not alot of money but it would be for some quick cash. send me an email and they are like $200 projects that can be done very easy.
Mike @ mojobuzz dot com
>(2) Contractual obligations cannot supersede the law, and you cannot sign away your rights. For example, "You agree to enslave yourself to Bill if he decides he wants that," would not be enforceable.
agreed, but you can sign away most of your right's up to the line of the law. that's what some software companies do. for example the reviews on certain software can not be made public....
onepoint
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Oh this has to be the funniest set of post on slashdot in a long time.
What happend to the free sharing of ideas and code. They want it GPL, so post your code when it's done on sourceforge.
gee when it's for your own benifit it has to be free, but when somebody desires something it has to cost alot.
>>The very fact that they haven't yet just tried an all out legal battle over this makes me more curious.
for another view point. What better way to improve AIM's security, usability, and overall realiability. have the people at trillian keep on finding ways to go around you. over the life of AIM there has to been some improvement to the code and the security because of these packages.
>>By 1943, the USSR had built up the industrial infrastructure necessary to open up a can-o-whopass on the Nazis. No small achievement.
Sure if you consider that the can of whopass was at a ratio of 39 russians for every nazis. Overwelming numbers does work, but does not make it a can of whopass. just a dog pile.
>>In the 60s, the USSR put the first satellite in orbit, the first man in space, and probably would have beat the US to the moon if Chief Designer Korolyev hadn't died and the N-2 program hadn't been so badly botched.
Whom does not have failures. At least the americans are mostly public. They don't hide to much. and what they deciede to hide never stays hidden for long anyway.
>>Actually it's more like eating at a restaurant, ordering one plate, and then using that to figure out the recipe so you don't have to pay for a second plate. Unlike with the sandwich example, you both get a full meal even though you've only bought one.
nope because you still have to pay for the fillings
>>To use another of RMS's analogies, the key reason theft is wrong is that, if I steal a sandwich from you, you no longer have the sandwich. However, information is a kind of "infinite sandwich" which can be magically copied, eaten by several people at once, and as many times as they like. If someone invented such a sandwich, wouldn't you object if the inventor refused to let starving third-world countries benefit from it, and instead tried to cash in on it by restricting its distribution? Clearly, information is completely different from physical property.
change that sandwich to freedom. Then think what the USA has been trying to promote for years around the world. now look how it has bitten USA in the ass.
Within the next 2 years, the broadcasting radio community will have the record labels pay for the airtime completely. The label will buy a specific amount of minutes and the program directors will decide if they want to play the songs. It will be paid advertising from the labels.
I was down in Texas (music conference) when this mater came up in a round table chat. They think it could even happen this year if the big radio stations want it.
>>If you give something and now you dont have it, hows that any diffrent than your friend stealing it?
very simple you transfered your rights to the other party by giving it ( that is all the orginals and backup copies if we are talking software ).
>>Ok, copying is more like taking a sandwitch and breaking it in half. Or sharing your wealth with others.
no it's more like eating at a resturant and sharing a plate, you still have to pay for 2 seats.
You seem to forget that you agreed to the terms of the purchase. don't like the terms then don't buy the product.
now slight off topic. I don't like m$. but I completely understand the logic of the liscense. What we need is a good consumer protection act for software. In this way, software makers can be held liable for there software like auto makers are liable about their cars.
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>>took 6 minutes to fall to earth
I think it was 2.8 Minutes. Worst part about it was as you said, they were alive inside. Just saw it on discovery last month and they spoke on the design and how everyone was sure that they survived till impact. Also is way they won't release the tapes of the conversation for that last few minutes of there lives, Must be a scary ride.
ONEPOINT
but again the point is prevention of the problem happening. Why does somebody have to fly at 55mph in a 25mph zone. Most people wont understand this unless they are parents, nothing worst that seeing a kid run into the street chasing a ball.
Well anyway, we've upgraded the situation, the local law enforcement now parks a van with the radar speed so that everyone slows down. Helps even more. At night a few times a week, they park infront of my house an unmarked car catch a few speeder ( I bring out coffee for them at 2am or 4 am when i see them) so I have improved and taken accountable actions to improve my area for better long term results.
Next step is to get an old patrol car parked in the area every day after school
onepoint
>>No one wants to take responisibility for anything.
thank you for saying it out loud. Nobody seems to care about the results of thier actions.
People were I live are very much like this person. Thinking that they are always correct and could give 2 sh*t about the effects. Lately I've figured out how to fight them, Video tape and submision to the local police enforcement. It's been working, I no longer have people drag racing on my street as much. ( we have a park in the center and there are a ton of kids playing )
Onepoint
>>Unfortunately, the tools for this largely exist already. Squads of police with electrified riot shields can move large crowds rather effectively, and there are foams that can be sprayed which contain powerful irritants to blockade routes of exit. Mass photography and facial recognition is also used to identify large numbers of people.
Not a bad idea, but it get's a bit to close to big brother. Better to have a 3rd party review the cameras video and point out whom should be targeted to facial recongnition because of an action ( like breaking of a window ), that way you protect the right's of the protester that have taken a non-violent action.
I don't know that this is true but I woudl like to believe it. Violent protestors are not the group that starts the protest ( in the USA ), but people that join in to hide amoung the protestors and take advantage of the activity.
Onepoint
>>At least on the riot control's side, they're not hitting people with the batons or pepper sprays, etc., which could lead to lawsuits of excessive/unnecessary force.
If I had MOD points I would have given them.
By giving the rioter the point where they can not longer pass. the rioter has to learn how to make there statements better know.
If anything this is the best thing in the improvement of free speach, since you can no longer pass a certain point, you must find a way to overcome. Now the protesters will learn marketing ( I like those anti-smoking ad's myself and i'm a smoker who is trying to quit ), how to deal with the press better. Also I think that the abuse to protesters ( and the property around them ) will be reduced.
onepoint
Well the truth is that you might have a bit to worry about if you are doing business with China.
if your pal is ever found out, there is a high chance that whatever contract that he's working on, with the Chinese might be delayed or worst yet canceled.
The small fact is that thier government, can and does cancel contracts if they feel that they have been slighted.
ONEPOINT
You are very correct, Accountability is the name of the game here.
I myself got into trouble with a blacklist, but if it was not for them, I would have been stuck with open relays. once I fixed it, I submitted my application for test. they found me clean and let the mail fly again.
I was very happy.
onepoint
>>As for airplay, are you suggesting that kickbacks and payola don't dominate the industry? If so there are many people with more experience than me and likely than you, who would vehemently disagree
well kickbacks/payola are not as common as they once were. this was due to the information sharing system call soundscan. This basically took it out because the truth was know about the artist and the damand for hte artist. That's why alot of stations sound the same (to everyones loss).
now I depend on a self made list of every colledge radio station I've made contact with and what the DJ's like and don't like. if the artist has any skill I can easyly get them some airplay, but the sad truth is, there are very few gifted and talented artist. most of them can not follow even a well defined beat. Also as we all know the listening publics taste is varied, so sometimes certain music is not desired. but air play is air play. I've been following this one tiny band here in newark (NJ), they have a neat following and can fill 125 seats without a problem. there manager is the smartest man I've met. they told me once they can fill 200 seats the web site starts. after that touring the entire state and to NYC. runs it like a business.
>>"Stealing" and "Theft" both require the victim to lose something.
If the only manner you get to listen to the music is via the music store or the purchase, then your copy of that persons music is copyright violation and in my terms, theft.
side note:
Any artist that does not post something on the net for the listening public is a fool. It's only smart business. 30 to 60 seconds if listening time per song will generate sales if you work at it.
People buy when they have an interest, but the problem comes from those that have an interest but desire the entire thing for free. so the file swapping happens.
ONEPOINT
they still produce Lowbrau, that was one of my favorite beers in the 80's.
If you want to find out about the artist Shanachie ( or the Irish music folk style called Shanachie ) all you had to do was a search.
It would seem that most people want's something for free and will look at any way possible to get it.
I have a problem with those our action, but I'm willing to take the risk to hold people accountable for thier actions.
If you download the song, you have stolen the work. You have no title to the work, Unless they are giving it away.
Airplay issue: unless you are in the entertainment business you should not comment. I am in the entertainment business and could without fail, find atleast 3 staions to play the music in the USA for almost all styles. Now most people are never willing to commit the resources and skill to try to make it.
They give up to quick. they never contact a lawyer when the contract is infront of them. They get there brother to manage the band. If they get the contract and start touring, they break up the hotel ( there goes the profits because the band has to pay for that ) they don't run the band like a business. Most band that succeed run it like a business till they milk it dry. best example is the rolling stones, once they started running it like a business they kept on making money.
Also it seems that you are not aware of something. there are over 1000 small "real" labels ( there are thousands more), they control about 60% of the music output, they buy there distribution from the big guys ( whom have about 85% of the market ) even if you take the big guys out, you'll end up hurting the little guys.
Onepoint
Your friend and the artist is doing the right thing. But let's not forget, it's not us to judge the artist contract. the record company is the venture capitolist here, they put up the money in hopes of making it back, and they own the physical distribution.
I hope that nobody will pirate Shanachie's work, but again, based on the talk's within this community, it's a fair game to rip this artist off also.
onepoint
please look at this link
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http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/blackmail.htm
if it's true then we can safely say that all our communications start points and end points are known.... and that is almost as valueable as knowing the words spoken on the call itself.
onepoint
>>I have been to India (did consulting there) and have to say I have nothing to worry about. Sure some work will go to India, but you get what you pay for. I am not knocking the Indian programmers.
I agree with you entirely, need quick code to place a good demo out within 1.5 months go to an Indian or Pakistan shop. they get the fundimentals working. Need security done at a tight level, Hire our a Russian shop.
Finalize the code and get it all cleaned up ( or entirely redone). go Europe and Canada shop. Need to find new ideas on your product, stick to North American shops
onepoint
>From what I understand of sociology, this translates into a 6-month countdown before a year-long spike in violent crime and suicide rates begins.
hey would you mind sharing where you found that information. I don't have it anywhere in my forecast/patterns notes ( I collect patterns and cycle notes as a hobby, funny thing is I got this unemployment/market pop cycle right but I don't have the corrating crime data to go along with it.)
Onepoint
p.s. if there are any lunix guys that need part time work via telecomuting I have a few projects that need cleaning or tightning not alot of money but it would be for some quick cash. send me an email and they are like $200 projects that can be done very easy.
Mike @ mojobuzz dot com
>(2) Contractual obligations cannot supersede the law, and you cannot sign away your rights. For example, "You agree to enslave yourself to Bill if he decides he wants that," would not be enforceable.
....
agreed, but you can sign away most of your right's up to the line of the law. that's what some software companies do. for example the reviews on certain software can not be made public
onepoint
Oh this has to be the funniest set of post on slashdot in a long time.
What happend to the free sharing of ideas and code. They want it GPL, so post your code when it's done on sourceforge.
gee when it's for your own benifit it has to be free, but when somebody desires something it has to cost alot.
Thank you all for the laugh
ONEPOINT
>>The very fact that they haven't yet just tried an all out legal battle over this makes me more curious.
for another view point. What better way to improve AIM's security, usability, and overall realiability. have the people at trillian keep on finding ways to go around you. over the life of AIM there has to been some improvement to the code and the security because of these packages.
Onepoint
>>By 1943, the USSR had built up the industrial infrastructure necessary to open up a can-o-whopass on the Nazis. No small achievement.
Sure if you consider that the can of whopass was at a ratio of 39 russians for every nazis. Overwelming numbers does work, but does not make it a can of whopass. just a dog pile.
>>In the 60s, the USSR put the first satellite in orbit, the first man in space, and probably would have beat the US to the moon if Chief Designer Korolyev hadn't died and the N-2 program hadn't been so badly botched.
Whom does not have failures. At least the americans are mostly public. They don't hide to much. and what they deciede to hide never stays hidden for long anyway.
ONEPOINT
well I thought the discourse with Mrs. Atkins was even funnier, she's about the later part of december e-mails and her reply on january is classic.
BUt the best one was that legal guy at the end. 2 pages worth.
Onepoint
this can only prove that there is no life outside of earth.
.... DCMA would have an office there for billing.
why
onepoint
>>Actually it's more like eating at a restaurant, ordering one plate, and then using that to figure out the recipe so you don't have to pay for a second plate. Unlike with the sandwich example, you both get a full meal even though you've only bought one.
nope because you still have to pay for the fillings
>>To use another of RMS's analogies, the key reason theft is wrong is that, if I steal a sandwich from you, you no longer have the sandwich. However, information is a kind of "infinite sandwich" which can be magically copied, eaten by several people at once, and as many times as they like. If someone invented such a sandwich, wouldn't you object if the inventor refused to let starving third-world countries benefit from it, and instead tried to cash in on it by restricting its distribution? Clearly, information is completely different from physical property.
change that sandwich to freedom. Then think what the USA has been trying to promote for years around the world. now look how it has bitten USA in the ass.
interesting isn't it.
just a small bit of info.
Within the next 2 years, the broadcasting radio community will have the record labels pay for the airtime completely. The label will buy a specific amount of minutes and the program directors will decide if they want to play the songs. It will be paid advertising from the labels.
I was down in Texas (music conference) when this mater came up in a round table chat. They think it could even happen this year if the big radio stations want it.
Onepoint
>>If you give something and now you dont have it, hows that any diffrent than your friend stealing it?
very simple you transfered your rights to the other party by giving it ( that is all the orginals and backup copies if we are talking software ).
>>Ok, copying is more like taking a sandwitch and breaking it in half. Or sharing your wealth with others.
no it's more like eating at a resturant and sharing a plate, you still have to pay for 2 seats.
You seem to forget that you agreed to the terms of the purchase. don't like the terms then don't buy the product.
now slight off topic. I don't like m$. but I completely understand the logic of the liscense. What we need is a good consumer protection act for software. In this way, software makers can be held liable for there software like auto makers are liable about their cars.
Onepoint
I can understand why you are spoiled. Up here in NJ, you could not get rent's that cheap unless you are willing to live way far.
I do like the way they think of the home office. seem like a great place.
Onepoint