Interestingly enough, I have no problems with Christians who feel that violence in movies and videogames is wrong.
It's just the Christians that try to convince my lawmakers that violence in movies and videogames is wrong, that the responsible party in violent acts perpetrated by people that consume such entertainment is the producer of that entertainment, and that humans are not themselves smart enough to apply their own moral frameworks in a consistent manner to their purchasing decisions (and therefore require legislature to do it for them), that I have a problem with.
Like I've said elsewhere, I could care less what Jack Thompson believes. It's the fact that he's trying to force me to act like I believe it too that's the problem.
And I never said that I do whatever I want to do and call it religion.
Nor did I say that I believe that knowledge of restraint and sacrifice are required to be spiritual.
I merely said that unfulfilled desire is the root of all evil. That's just one sentence. I don't believe that means I should have my every desire fulfilled; only that I don't believe it's wrong to have desires and passions that are fulfilled.
Nor do I believe one must purge oneself of all desire to attain enlightenment; only that one must learn to fulfill all desire, even the ones that cannot be fulfilled. And to answer your indirect question, yes I do believe that I am a much better person because of this.
Are my thoughts different from those of most Buddhists? Sure are.
That doesn't change the fact that I have them and that I believe they are in accordance with the group of teachings and writings that most people would identify as Zen Buddhist.
And you, my friend, I think need to examine your inclinations here. Are you a Zen Buddhist to prove to other people that you can masterbate in a temple with an Eastern interior decorator better than anyone else? Or to achieve enlightenment?
I'm not here to argue over my beliefs. Nor do I find such argument particularly productive. I didn't form my beliefs in a day reading some box of cereal. These are firmly held and well thought out convictions that I've held (and evolved) since I vowed to be completely nonviolent for the rest of my life nearly fifteen years ago. I appreciate your thoughts, I really do, but have to question the validity of advice on being a Zen Buddhist from a man whose primary purpose seems to be not to enlighten me, but to convince me I'm wrong.
I agree with you; my moral system does share a lot in common with many Christians.
And even as a Christian I wouldn't necessarily feel a need to share moral ground with Jack Thompson. The keyword in that phrase was "his Christian morality"
Now as to how I feel my feelings about Jack Thompson align with my personal beliefs... well let's just say that malice of word does not equal malice of intent. And unlike many Zen Buddhists I do not feel that practicing my beliefs means that I must purge myself of all negative emotions and thoughts; only the desire to act upon them...
Oh I'm not angry at him personally. Nor do I wish him any specific harm. I just wish he would stop trying to curtail my freedoms. And I hate him for trying to do so.
I don't believe that hatred and enlightenment are incompatible. I'm a hedonistic Zen Buddhist; I believe that enlightenment, the peak spiritual state of the human condition, may best be reached through understanding the passions of the human heart. Many of these passions are negative. And try as you might you will never rid yourself of them. Many people quote Siddhuartha as saying that desire is the root of all evil. A possible alternate translation (and the one I choose to believe) is that unfulfilled desire is the root of all evil.
As such I recognize my passion in this matter. I personally wish Jack no harm but I am passionately opposed to what he is doing and would take any actions available to me to stop him.
I'm sorry; if you read through my other posts in this thread (grandchildren of my post) I make clear that my opinion is pretty much the same as yours.
I have nothing against Christians (or anyone of any religion) who believe that I have as much a right to my own beliefs as they do to theirs. Men like Jack Thompson use their religion as an excuse to try to amass power; the kind of power that survives even death, power over the thoughts of men.
You're right and I do want to make clear that when I talk about Jack Thompson, his brand of Christianity has as much to do with what they practice at the church down the street as McDonald's McFish sandwich does with the ocean...
To a man like this, his religion is a tool. It's one he brandies about and waves to get what he wants. Sure he likes to wave his Bible around and pretend that God is personally on his side. But if you were to show him some Biblical passages about freedom of choice and the ability of lawyers to turn darkness into light and so on... well I'm pretty sure he'd just rip those pages out and burn them on the courthouse steps...
I do apologize to all the Christians out there. Calling Jack Thompson Christian is a lot like calling Osama Bin Ladin Muslim... Many (in fact most) Christians are calm level headed people who would never knowingly lie about a videogame simply to prove a point, would not start a one-man crusade against immorality in the (supposedly) free United States, and would certainly not try to lay responsibility for hundreds of murders at the doorstep of videogame publishers, and not the people who, you know, pulled triggers to make bullets fly through the air at other people...
Most Christians would also not associate what is obivously a simple (and asinine) teenaged prank on a plaintiff in a multi-million dollar lawsuit...
(from wiki's jack article)
Upon returning home Jack Thompson discovered a tube of vaginal lubricant left at his front door. Thompson said he believes Rockstar may have been responsible for leaving it there.
The great part is... I don't need to take the moral high ground!
Morality in the context of Jack Thompson must refer specfically to religious morality. As a Zen Buddhist I care nothing for his Christian morality. Neither, incidentally, does the justice system of the United States of America.
Yes, I truly hate the man; both for purposefully deceiving America about what is involved in my favorite hobby with the intent of attaching a social stigma to the practice of such, for striving to make the practice of this hobby impossible for me and many others through barring and outlawing the content, and for trying to hold responsible the makers of videogames for acts which should be laid firmly at the foot of the persons doing these heinous deeds, or in some cases, partially at the feet of their parents.
Yes. I can hate a man that does those things. And I don't feel any need to pander to some so called moral high ground... I'm not trying to convince anyone I'm right. I know I'm right. If other people want to believe me, great. If not, well that's their choice. I'm pretty sure that if you stood me and Jack Thompson in a room together for five minutes on national television, and I said the most inflammatory hateful things that is in my soul to say, that I would STILL come out of the debate looking far more credible.
An asshole Christian fundemental lawyer who acts as if he believes that violence in videogames is solely responsible for violence in America. Because he states these facts so loudly, he is commonly interviewed on sunday morning talk shows and the like whenever some violent act occurs.
The funny part being that the things he claims happens in these games, many times is false; whether lie by ignorance or intent I'll leave an excercise to the reader.
He also appears to believe that his internal thought process is the one most likely for the US government to follow, and displays genuine surprise (and shock) when this is not the case, as in recently when he tried to get Gabe and Tycho of Penny Arcade locked up. Because they posted a blog indicating what a dick he was being to them and their loyal readers took affront to this mistreatment and wrote to tell him so; some of them not so politely, as I understand it.
One may also speculate that the massive traffic from Penny Arcade shut down his web server. But you can hardly blame that on PA can you?;)
The funny part is, it was all because Jack promised $10,000 to the charity of choice of the first game development team that made a video game with a certain (particularly twisted) plotline, I guess to prove some sort of point (its my understanding that Jack is given to hyperbole)... when someone came through and made a (pretty extensive) mod to GTA putting Jack in the gunman's shoes raiding and shooting the employees of game stores, he refused to pay up.
So Penny Arcade went ahead and paid up. That, apparently, is what started all of this.
I recommend going through Penny Arcade's recent news archive for more details...
Oh and thinkgeek DOES sell an "I hate Jack Thompson" T-shirt if you're interested...
Go back through the warehouse and pull out old mythbusting gear for fun?
I'm thinking of the surfboard hover thingies... or maybe the fan of death...
Do Fridays ever turn into some bizarre twisted version of MythBusters where Jamie and Adam battle to the death (or the first one to cry) using only materials used to debunk myths?
3) The moon has great asset value for a host of purposes. [...]
B) Space Observation.
I saw plans for a liquid mirror telescope on the moon in a permanently-dark north pole crater (several candidate sites have been identified)
the idea is that you get a reflective liquid and spin it on a dish to give it a perfect parabolic shape... much cheaper and more precise than ground-glass reflectors.
On earth you need expensive bearings to isolate from vibrations (natural and man-made), and exotic chemicals to avoid using toxic materials (mercury) that might end up in the environment one day.
On the moon the operational logistics are quite a bit simpler...
With this methodology, even if a file could be cracked in ten minutes, your still looking at over 9 years of work to find 10 documents. And say the files could be cracked in 30 seconds each you are still looking at 6 months of work and then however long it would take to analyze the noise from signal.
Quick point - if you break one file, you break them all. Encryption requires a shared secret (either directly or to encrypt a keyfile for PKI); when you "crack" a file, you discover this shared secret. Unless you want to remember a different secret (think password; lengthy and hard to guess) for every file on your drive, you pick one and use it for everything.
Now more encrypted files IS a good idea - in that decryption is not generally a quick process, and therefore the more they have to do the harder the task. But it doesn't mean that the decryption effort ITSELF is any harder.
If you want to setup a secure environment; one of the cheap-or-free tools for Windows let's you setup encrypted volumes that themselves have hidden encrypted volumes. One password gives you the encrypted volume with it's innocent-but-sensitive-enough-to-be-convincing data, a different password gives you the hidden volume with the real goods on it...
Make the encryption of the clearly visible volume comparatively easy to break and they'll never even suspect that the null data of that volume contains yet another volume hidden within it...
flourinert is several hundred dollars per liter...
I saw (online) someone once try to liquid nitrogen cool with flourinert. They hollowed out a cooler, set the computer in, put in a passive heat exchanger...
Worked great until they realised that at liquid nitrogen temperatures flourinert gets so viscuous it becomes a gel.
At $500 for the amount they used, this was a fairly expensive lesson to learn hahaha.
If 256-bit triple-DES or similar techniques are used then decryption could require supercomputer-levels of cracking
I don't think there IS a 256-bit triple-DES but that's beside my point. My point is, NSA recommends encryption technologies based on their uncrackability. This quote (not sure if it's bolstered by the article or just an encryption-noobs form of commentary since I haven't RTFA) seems to indicate that the NSA encryption formats aren't really uncrackable...
Point being, if you know what you're doing, it's possible to encrypt data in such a way that it can't be unencrypted forcibly; in 90 days or 90 years (barring the development of new code-breaking technologies in those 90 years, of course) Flip side is, it has long been suspected that the NSA doesn't approve any encryption that they don't have the ability to break in some reasonable time frame...
Just look at the export laws re: 40-bit SSL. 40-bit SSL was easy to break when the laws were first enacted. It wasn't until several years later that 56-bit and later 128-bit SSL was approved for export...
replying have said these metrics don't have a lot of value to them (in one way or another)
I disagree
But I'm a rendering geek
I was VERY happy to see the POVRAY price/performance (technically performance/price) breakdown... and will definitely be getting an Athlon 64 XP when I build my system... the 3000+ model if these numbers are still valid when I get the loot
I know I'm gonna catch some slashdot nazis on this...
yes trilobites were not spiders.
But horseshoe crabs (their modern look-alikes) are more closely related to arachnids than arthropods... this according to my high school marine biology teacher and never substantiated with fact so YMMV
- people who "pirate" content that is so old that common sense says it should've been out of copyright years ago (e.g. old "I Love Lucy" episodes). The concept that copyright can effectively be extended forever just defies common sense, particularly when you see Hollywood waiting for vintage content to become public domain, then releasing "their" take on it and claiming copyright protection on intellectual content that someone else invented 50+ years ago
Look at the other side; the I Love Lucy DVD box set was released last year. I think the real issue here are the abandoned titles; shows (and other content like arcade ROMs) that the copyright holder has no interest in selling for any price.
I used to feel very strongly about this topic re: arcade ROMs... and then everyone started selling vintage ROM sets and devices using those bits... so I guess I can see their point when they started sending out all those C&Ds (does anyone else miss mame.dk?)
As a consumer I think, bottom line, it shouldn't be copyright infringement unless you can show that there's a product at market, or you are bringing a product to market, whose sales can be hurt by the infringement.
As a producer, however, I want people to respect my copyright whether or not I am currently making money off of it.
There's an obvious missmatch between what the consumer and producer perceives to be fair in this case. I'm not sure what the answer is; but perpetual copyright is not it...
How long until my car decides I am driving to fast, and calls the police to mail me a ticket. Before you write this off as never_gonna_happen, consider that many highways now have radar guns attached to cameras, and they mail out tickets in the mail.
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Conclusion: Jack Thompson is neither Christian, Buddhist, or even sentient.
I'm SOOOO adding you to my friends list
Interestingly enough, I have no problems with Christians who feel that violence in movies and videogames is wrong.
It's just the Christians that try to convince my lawmakers that violence in movies and videogames is wrong, that the responsible party in violent acts perpetrated by people that consume such entertainment is the producer of that entertainment, and that humans are not themselves smart enough to apply their own moral frameworks in a consistent manner to their purchasing decisions (and therefore require legislature to do it for them), that I have a problem with.
Like I've said elsewhere, I could care less what Jack Thompson believes. It's the fact that he's trying to force me to act like I believe it too that's the problem.
Well I never claimed enlightenment.
And I never said that I do whatever I want to do and call it religion.
Nor did I say that I believe that knowledge of restraint and sacrifice are required to be spiritual.
I merely said that unfulfilled desire is the root of all evil. That's just one sentence. I don't believe that means I should have my every desire fulfilled; only that I don't believe it's wrong to have desires and passions that are fulfilled.
Nor do I believe one must purge oneself of all desire to attain enlightenment; only that one must learn to fulfill all desire, even the ones that cannot be fulfilled. And to answer your indirect question, yes I do believe that I am a much better person because of this.
Are my thoughts different from those of most Buddhists? Sure are.
That doesn't change the fact that I have them and that I believe they are in accordance with the group of teachings and writings that most people would identify as Zen Buddhist.
And you, my friend, I think need to examine your inclinations here. Are you a Zen Buddhist to prove to other people that you can masterbate in a temple with an Eastern interior decorator better than anyone else? Or to achieve enlightenment?
I'm not here to argue over my beliefs. Nor do I find such argument particularly productive. I didn't form my beliefs in a day reading some box of cereal. These are firmly held and well thought out convictions that I've held (and evolved) since I vowed to be completely nonviolent for the rest of my life nearly fifteen years ago. I appreciate your thoughts, I really do, but have to question the validity of advice on being a Zen Buddhist from a man whose primary purpose seems to be not to enlighten me, but to convince me I'm wrong.
I agree with you; my moral system does share a lot in common with many Christians.
And even as a Christian I wouldn't necessarily feel a need to share moral ground with Jack Thompson. The keyword in that phrase was " his Christian morality"
Now as to how I feel my feelings about Jack Thompson align with my personal beliefs... well let's just say that malice of word does not equal malice of intent. And unlike many Zen Buddhists I do not feel that practicing my beliefs means that I must purge myself of all negative emotions and thoughts; only the desire to act upon them...
Oh I'm not angry at him personally. Nor do I wish him any specific harm. I just wish he would stop trying to curtail my freedoms. And I hate him for trying to do so.
I don't believe that hatred and enlightenment are incompatible. I'm a hedonistic Zen Buddhist; I believe that enlightenment, the peak spiritual state of the human condition, may best be reached through understanding the passions of the human heart. Many of these passions are negative. And try as you might you will never rid yourself of them. Many people quote Siddhuartha as saying that desire is the root of all evil. A possible alternate translation (and the one I choose to believe) is that unfulfilled desire is the root of all evil.
As such I recognize my passion in this matter. I personally wish Jack no harm but I am passionately opposed to what he is doing and would take any actions available to me to stop him.
I'm sorry; if you read through my other posts in this thread (grandchildren of my post) I make clear that my opinion is pretty much the same as yours.
I have nothing against Christians (or anyone of any religion) who believe that I have as much a right to my own beliefs as they do to theirs. Men like Jack Thompson use their religion as an excuse to try to amass power; the kind of power that survives even death, power over the thoughts of men.
Asshole.
You're right and I do want to make clear that when I talk about Jack Thompson, his brand of Christianity has as much to do with what they practice at the church down the street as McDonald's McFish sandwich does with the ocean...
To a man like this, his religion is a tool. It's one he brandies about and waves to get what he wants. Sure he likes to wave his Bible around and pretend that God is personally on his side. But if you were to show him some Biblical passages about freedom of choice and the ability of lawyers to turn darkness into light and so on... well I'm pretty sure he'd just rip those pages out and burn them on the courthouse steps...
I do apologize to all the Christians out there. Calling Jack Thompson Christian is a lot like calling Osama Bin Ladin Muslim... Many (in fact most) Christians are calm level headed people who would never knowingly lie about a videogame simply to prove a point, would not start a one-man crusade against immorality in the (supposedly) free United States, and would certainly not try to lay responsibility for hundreds of murders at the doorstep of videogame publishers, and not the people who, you know, pulled triggers to make bullets fly through the air at other people...
Most Christians would also not associate what is obivously a simple (and asinine) teenaged prank on a plaintiff in a multi-million dollar lawsuit...
(from wiki's jack article)
Upon returning home Jack Thompson discovered a tube of vaginal lubricant left at his front door. Thompson said he believes Rockstar may have been responsible for leaving it there.
The great part is... I don't need to take the moral high ground!
Morality in the context of Jack Thompson must refer specfically to religious morality. As a Zen Buddhist I care nothing for his Christian morality. Neither, incidentally, does the justice system of the United States of America.
Yes, I truly hate the man; both for purposefully deceiving America about what is involved in my favorite hobby with the intent of attaching a social stigma to the practice of such, for striving to make the practice of this hobby impossible for me and many others through barring and outlawing the content, and for trying to hold responsible the makers of videogames for acts which should be laid firmly at the foot of the persons doing these heinous deeds, or in some cases, partially at the feet of their parents.
Yes. I can hate a man that does those things. And I don't feel any need to pander to some so called moral high ground... I'm not trying to convince anyone I'm right. I know I'm right. If other people want to believe me, great. If not, well that's their choice. I'm pretty sure that if you stood me and Jack Thompson in a room together for five minutes on national television, and I said the most inflammatory hateful things that is in my soul to say, that I would STILL come out of the debate looking far more credible.
An asshole Christian fundemental lawyer who acts as if he believes that violence in videogames is solely responsible for violence in America. Because he states these facts so loudly, he is commonly interviewed on sunday morning talk shows and the like whenever some violent act occurs.
;)
The funny part being that the things he claims happens in these games, many times is false; whether lie by ignorance or intent I'll leave an excercise to the reader.
He also appears to believe that his internal thought process is the one most likely for the US government to follow, and displays genuine surprise (and shock) when this is not the case, as in recently when he tried to get Gabe and Tycho of Penny Arcade locked up. Because they posted a blog indicating what a dick he was being to them and their loyal readers took affront to this mistreatment and wrote to tell him so; some of them not so politely, as I understand it.
One may also speculate that the massive traffic from Penny Arcade shut down his web server. But you can hardly blame that on PA can you?
The funny part is, it was all because Jack promised $10,000 to the charity of choice of the first game development team that made a video game with a certain (particularly twisted) plotline, I guess to prove some sort of point (its my understanding that Jack is given to hyperbole)... when someone came through and made a (pretty extensive) mod to GTA putting Jack in the gunman's shoes raiding and shooting the employees of game stores, he refused to pay up.
So Penny Arcade went ahead and paid up. That, apparently, is what started all of this.
I recommend going through Penny Arcade's recent news archive for more details...
Oh and thinkgeek DOES sell an "I hate Jack Thompson" T-shirt if you're interested...
Go back through the warehouse and pull out old mythbusting gear for fun?
I'm thinking of the surfboard hover thingies... or maybe the fan of death...
Do Fridays ever turn into some bizarre twisted version of MythBusters where Jamie and Adam battle to the death (or the first one to cry) using only materials used to debunk myths?
3) The moon has great asset value for a host of purposes.
[...]
B) Space Observation.
I saw plans for a liquid mirror telescope on the moon in a permanently-dark north pole crater (several candidate sites have been identified)
the idea is that you get a reflective liquid and spin it on a dish to give it a perfect parabolic shape... much cheaper and more precise than ground-glass reflectors.
On earth you need expensive bearings to isolate from vibrations (natural and man-made), and exotic chemicals to avoid using toxic materials (mercury) that might end up in the environment one day.
On the moon the operational logistics are quite a bit simpler...
With this methodology, even if a file could be cracked in ten minutes, your still looking at over 9 years of work to find 10 documents. And say the files could be cracked in 30 seconds each you are still looking at 6 months of work and then however long it would take to analyze the noise from signal.
Quick point - if you break one file, you break them all. Encryption requires a shared secret (either directly or to encrypt a keyfile for PKI); when you "crack" a file, you discover this shared secret. Unless you want to remember a different secret (think password; lengthy and hard to guess) for every file on your drive, you pick one and use it for everything.
Now more encrypted files IS a good idea - in that decryption is not generally a quick process, and therefore the more they have to do the harder the task. But it doesn't mean that the decryption effort ITSELF is any harder.
If you want to setup a secure environment; one of the cheap-or-free tools for Windows let's you setup encrypted volumes that themselves have hidden encrypted volumes. One password gives you the encrypted volume with it's innocent-but-sensitive-enough-to-be-convincing data, a different password gives you the hidden volume with the real goods on it...
Make the encryption of the clearly visible volume comparatively easy to break and they'll never even suspect that the null data of that volume contains yet another volume hidden within it...
flourinert is several hundred dollars per liter...
I saw (online) someone once try to liquid nitrogen cool with flourinert. They hollowed out a cooler, set the computer in, put in a passive heat exchanger...
Worked great until they realised that at liquid nitrogen temperatures flourinert gets so viscuous it becomes a gel.
At $500 for the amount they used, this was a fairly expensive lesson to learn hahaha.
If 256-bit triple-DES or similar techniques are used then decryption could require supercomputer-levels of cracking
I don't think there IS a 256-bit triple-DES but that's beside my point. My point is, NSA recommends encryption technologies based on their uncrackability. This quote (not sure if it's bolstered by the article or just an encryption-noobs form of commentary since I haven't RTFA) seems to indicate that the NSA encryption formats aren't really uncrackable...
Point being, if you know what you're doing, it's possible to encrypt data in such a way that it can't be unencrypted forcibly; in 90 days or 90 years (barring the development of new code-breaking technologies in those 90 years, of course) Flip side is, it has long been suspected that the NSA doesn't approve any encryption that they don't have the ability to break in some reasonable time frame...
Just look at the export laws re: 40-bit SSL. 40-bit SSL was easy to break when the laws were first enacted. It wasn't until several years later that 56-bit and later 128-bit SSL was approved for export...
replying have said these metrics don't have a lot of value to them (in one way or another)
I disagree
But I'm a rendering geek
I was VERY happy to see the POVRAY price/performance (technically performance/price) breakdown... and will definitely be getting an Athlon 64 XP when I build my system... the 3000+ model if these numbers are still valid when I get the loot
Can you elaborate on the perspective tricks?
I have a home theater and am pretty nifty with image processing algorithms... I wouldn't mind trying to setup something fun like that
I know I'm gonna catch some slashdot nazis on this...
yes trilobites were not spiders.
But horseshoe crabs (their modern look-alikes) are more closely related to arachnids than arthropods... this according to my high school marine biology teacher and never substantiated with fact so YMMV
a trilobyte (sp?) is an ancient aquaeous spider.
a terabyte is a thousand gigabytes
put flash drive in a cigar tube, put latex baloon over tube, rubberband balloon to tube below seam.
Well they rewrote it from the ground up for Windows Vista... and then did it again when they realised they were making the same old mistakes.
End result? About a 90% reduction in bugs per feature in the new Windows, despite a total rewrite.
- people who "pirate" content that is so old that common sense says it should've been out of copyright years ago (e.g. old "I Love Lucy" episodes). The concept that copyright can effectively be extended forever just defies common sense, particularly when you see Hollywood waiting for vintage content to become public domain, then releasing "their" take on it and claiming copyright protection on intellectual content that someone else invented 50+ years ago
Look at the other side; the I Love Lucy DVD box set was released last year. I think the real issue here are the abandoned titles; shows (and other content like arcade ROMs) that the copyright holder has no interest in selling for any price.
I used to feel very strongly about this topic re: arcade ROMs... and then everyone started selling vintage ROM sets and devices using those bits... so I guess I can see their point when they started sending out all those C&Ds (does anyone else miss mame.dk?)
As a consumer I think, bottom line, it shouldn't be copyright infringement unless you can show that there's a product at market, or you are bringing a product to market, whose sales can be hurt by the infringement.
As a producer, however, I want people to respect my copyright whether or not I am currently making money off of it.
There's an obvious missmatch between what the consumer and producer perceives to be fair in this case. I'm not sure what the answer is; but perpetual copyright is not it...
I really think /. should make a point of not linking to sites that are just that shitty. Maybe the site owners will get the point.
;)
If we wanted to teach the site owners a lesson... shouldn't we be linking to them more often?
These chips can keep the private key pretty safe, so safe that it is really, really hard to get it ever out of the chip, even in a big lab.
Oh yeah. REALLY safe, I'm sure. I mean it's not like you can extract the data with a standard photographic flash
How long until my car decides I am driving to fast, and calls the police to mail me a ticket. Before you write this off as never_gonna_happen, consider that many highways now have radar guns attached to cameras, and they mail out tickets in the mail.
In some states, rental companies already do this.