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Raised Flooring Obsolete or Not?

mstansberry writes "In part three of a series on the price of power in the data center, experts debate the merits of raised flooring. It's been around for years, but the original raised floors weren't designed to handle the air flow people are trying to get out them today. Some say it isn't practical to expect air to make several ninety-degree turns and actually get to where it's supposed to go. Is cooling with raised floors the most efficient option?"

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  1. The future is not in raised flooring... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...but in lowered walling.

  2. Where else? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Where else am I going to store my beer so it can stay cold and the boss not find it?

    1. Re:Where else? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Where else am I going to store my beer so it can stay cold and the boss not find it?

      The problem is your boss. At a previous company my boss was the one that insisted we have a "beer fridge" hidden in the back of our server room, out of site of the rest of the company.

    2. Re:Where else? by hamburger+lady · · Score: 5, Funny

      man, i'd much rather have you for an employee than the guy asking where to hide the bodies..

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    3. Re:Where else? by KidFunkyFly · · Score: 2, Funny

      What fun is it when the halon system goes and there isn't a risk of being decapitated by a flying floor tile?

    4. Re:Where else? by craigburton · · Score: 4, Informative

      Can I suggest fitting one of these in your data centre racks?

      http://www.canford.co.uk/commerce/resources/catdet ails/2457.pdf

      or maybe even one of these...

      http://www.canford.co.uk/commerce/resources/catdet ails/2458.pdf

    5. Re:Where else? by ikkonoishi · · Score: 2, Funny

      So the server was offsite? No wonder he was okay with it.

    6. Re:Where else? by ZorinLynx · · Score: 1

      You don't want to be in the room at all when the halon system goes off. That's why there's an alarm and a 60 second delay.

      If the floor tiles don't getcha, suffocation will.

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    7. Re:Where else? by slazzy · · Score: 1

      A company I worked at actually had a beer keg. It was only for after-hours, but it was paid for by them. ahh the pre-dot-bomb days

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    8. Re:Where else? by modecx · · Score: 1

      Now that's just too cool. Awesome idea.

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    9. Re:Where else? by WillDraven · · Score: 1

      My dad tells a story occasionally of how he interviewed for a company and the person who was interviewing him (whose office was simply a few cubicle walls in the corner of a server room) asked if he wanted a beer. My dad not being sure if this was a trick question or not politely declined, to which the interviewer responded "suit yourself" and proceeded to pop up a floor tile and pull out a cold one.

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    10. Re:Where else? by avronius · · Score: 1

      Halon has been removed from most server rooms here in Canada. It has been largely replaced be FM-200.

    11. Re:Where else? by xQx · · Score: 1

      I know the parent is a joke, but it's actually a valid comment, and why the whole arguement about not putting in raised floors is such bullshit.

      With the new blade and single RU servers, the cooling arguement is untouchable... a fully populated 5RU Blade server can heat air by 5 degrees C as it blows from the front of the rack to the back... go on, stack 5 of them up and tell me you can cool bottom to top; regardless of how much cold air you can force into the bottom of the cabnet.

      Raised floors may not be good for cooling, but they're still good for hiding cables, ducts and power. I've seen 2 server rooms be built recently without raised floors... which results in ugly exposed overhead ducting and someone getting a ladder (or climbing on racks depending on where the oc-health people are at) to re-route cable.

      The arguement may no longer hold for 800mm raised floors, but you'd be mad not to put in something that allows you to hide infrastrucure under your walkways. You can get cheap 3" raised floors, if money is tight use them.

    12. Re:Where else? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey you little GD snitch. Now everyone knows were I hide stash. I did that for years when I was working on floor. I just need to remember which tile I hide under....

    13. Re:Where else? by Jim_Maryland · · Score: 1

      That takes me back to my summer job while in college. I worked at an ice company in that primarily provided to beer distributors. The owner and the drivers occasionally bartered ice for beer and we'd sit in the freezer drinking after work. That was the one place where the beer actually seemed colder as you got to the bottom of the container.

    14. Re:Where else? by InvalidError · · Score: 2, Interesting

      One of the new trends is side-to-side flow. Draw cooled air from the raised floor on the left side and exhaust hot air through the suspended ceiling on the right. To reduce interference, route power through the floor and data cables through the ceiling or vice-versa. This way, no system has to take any other's heat.

      Some datacenters have very odd cooling systems... some even distribute cold air from the top and collect hot air at the floor, quite a questionable choice.

    15. Re:Where else? by kosmicki · · Score: 1

      If only it was disgused to look like a normal piece of networking hardware.

      One could glue an old patch panel to the front and make use of all those too short bits of cat-5 scattered about...

      I have an old SCSI disk server cabinet I gutted and made my entertainment console. Looks perfect from the outside. (It has a smoked plexi door, can only see lights through it.) Open the door and I have my Videogame systems inside on sliding shelves, the thing is super strong so I just have my TV sitting right on top.

    16. Re:Where else? by jproudfo · · Score: 1

      Really? Tell that to the major phone companies. Last I checked, they still had plenty of halon around.

    17. Re:Where else? by Fortran+IV · · Score: 2, Funny

      Funniest story I ever heard involved a 1970's computer-room retrofit into an old commercial chemistry building. The computer room was a big area in the center with a hall completely around it, and small labs all along the outside of the hall. They ran more AC and put in a raised floor, but otherwise just pretty well crammed the mainframe in. One thing they didn't consider was the fire system.

      Sprinklers are as bad for chemical labs as for computers, but what the building had instead wasn't much better. The whole installation was pre-Halon; it used a CO2 dump system, with a big tank outside. (I don't know how much the tank held, but it cost them $10,000 to fill it.) In order to smother files without killing people, the CO2 vented at floor level. That's right—under the raised floor of the computer room.

      Did I mention that the chemical labs around the outside were still in use? Every time a chemist set something on fire and pulled the panic handle, the system flooded CO2 into the entire building. Foom! Up would fly the floor panels, accompanied by huge clouds of dust.

      —Drifting right into the old-fashioned optical smoke detectors. Foom! again. More panels blown loose, more dust flying, panicked chemists fleeing in every direction, babbling in German and Hindustani and Farsi. The system would cycle over and over until the tank was empty.

      The fellow that told me about this place was amazed that, although the system got triggered two or three times while he worked there, completely emptying the tank every time, they never shattered any disk platters or CPU boards by flash-freezing them. But he did tell of coming back into the building to find the keypunch operator's potted plant frozen stiff.

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    18. Re:Where else? by jamwt · · Score: 1

      Huh. Given your nickname, I'd just assume you'd have a helpful answer.

    19. Re:Where else? by rubycodez · · Score: 2, Funny

      easy, you upgrade to a whiskey habit, which requires no refrigeration and makes no telltale psssst when you open it. Also, indefinite shelf life, sealed or open. when I worked for a dot-com in 2000-2002, we were allowed beer after 5:00pm, and my boss, the CTO, said it was ok if I could keep a bottle of hard stuff in my desk so long as I waited till past 5 before taking a shot.

    20. Re:Where else? by avronius · · Score: 1

      Did you read my post? At what point did I indicate that it had been completely eradicated? Now when you consider that the bulk of the telecom infrastructure has been unchanged for the past 20 years, it is not surprising that your local telco hasn't converted yet.

    21. Re:Where else? by jbengt · · Score: 1

      Don't laugh.
      I once got a call about cooling problems in te server room of a major credit card company call center. Turned out that there was all sorts of garbage stored under the raised floor, blocking the air flow. No beer, but plenty of old phones, cables, and manuals.

  3. sub-floor by backdoorman · · Score: 5, Funny

    But then where will we keep the bodies?

    1. Re:sub-floor by Infinityis · · Score: 2, Funny

      Lowered ceilings. To justify the cost, just say you need it for the recessed lighting.

    2. Re:sub-floor by b1t+r0t · · Score: 3, Funny
      Lowered ceilings. To justify the cost, just say you need it for the recessed lighting.

      Downside: needs more reinforcement, especially if you need to hide an overweight PHB. Upside: if the odors go upwards, the bodies will remain undetected longer.

      Or you could just use old enclosed racks as sarcophagi, hiding them in the back of the storage room behind stacks of obsolete boxen.

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    3. Re:sub-floor by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 1

      Limit it to marketing people and lawyers. !human == !murder, ergo no legal trouble.

      You might get in trouble with peta, but the last time I checked they only concerned themselves with cute animals and didn't care much about invertebretes.

    4. Re:sub-floor by Flower · · Score: 1

      Silly. In the tape library of course - where we keep the lime pit. That's like BOFH 101.

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    5. Re:sub-floor by Clemensa · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes...the bodies of mice. In all seriousness, every so often we get the most awful smell in our server room. That's when we call Rentokil, and they inevitably find the bodies of dead mice in our raised flooring in our server room. Bear in mind it's a couple of floors up....when people said to me "you are never more than 10 foot away from a rat when you are in London" I took it to mean horizontal distance, and not *actual* distance (I didn't imagine that many rats lived on every floor of buildings...)

    6. Re:sub-floor by psylew · · Score: 1

      Something tells me you've given this much thought... :)

    7. Re:sub-floor by livewirevoodoo · · Score: 1

      especially the track mounted movable types, you only have to uncover the lime pit long enough to throw the body in (unless you ACTUALLY have to grab a tape out of that row).

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    8. Re:sub-floor by b1t+r0t · · Score: 1
      Something tells me you've given this much thought... :)

      I just read too much of "the monastery", and the BOFH stories as well.

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    9. Re:sub-floor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, don't ask hamburger lady (218108) at least, she might call on you ;)

    10. Re:sub-floor by harp2812 · · Score: 1

      I can't decide if the fact that this was moderated insightful rather than funny is more disturbing or amusing...

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    11. Re:sub-floor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah I was just reading about that yesterday. I already thought they were asshats, but now I can prove it. Interesting stuff what they do with donated money. Check out http://www.petakillsanimals.com/ and sign the petition to the IRS to take away their tax breaks. They're up to like 90K sigs.

    12. Re:sub-floor by Sven+The+Space+Monke · · Score: 2, Informative

      Amatuer. You keep the beancounter's "backups" on that rack. Your blackmail and porn tapes are kept with your fine liquors in the fireproof vault , which your boss *thinks* he has the combination to (when he, in fact, has the emergency code that when punched in immediately triggers the halon release with the 60-second delay disabled).

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  4. Turns? by mboverload · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As long as the space under the floor has a negative or positive atmosphere I can't see how somme turns have anything to do with the air flow.

    1. Re:Turns? by geoffspear · · Score: 5, Funny
      Thanks for reassuring me about this.

      After reading this very insightful article summary, I was planning to completely replace all of the ductwork in my house on the assumption that air can't go around corners. You just saved me several thousand dollars.

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    2. Re:Turns? by Neil+Blender · · Score: 1

      As long as the space under the floor has a negative or positive atmosphere I can't see how somme turns have anything to do with the air flow.

      And sensible data centers have fans at the top of the cabinets to suck the air through. At least they do at my data center. The ambient temperature of the facility is quite warm, but inside the cabinets it's a lot cooler (I have device that samples and records the temp every 5 minutes).

    3. Re:Turns? by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Indeed. It's been years since I've seen a raised floor. As far as I know, most new datacenters use racks and overhead wire guides instead. The reason for this is obviously not the air flow. The raised floor made sense when you had only a few big machines that ran an ungodly number of cables to various points in the building. (At a whopping 19.2K, I'll have you know!) Using a raised floor allowed you to simply walk *over* the cabling while still allowing you to yank some tiles for easy troubleshooting.

      (Great way to keep your boss at bay, too. "Don't come in here! We've got tiles up and you may fall in a hole! thenthegruewilleastyouandnoonewillnoticebwhahaha")

      With computers being designed as they are now, the raised floor no longer makes sense. For one, all your plugs tend to go to the same place. i.e. Your power cords go to the power mains in one direction, your network cables go to the switch (and ultimately the patch panel) in another, and your KVM console is built into the rack itself. With the number of computers being managed, you'd be spending all day pulling up floor tiling and crawling around in tight spaces trying to find the right cable! With guided cables, you simply unhook the cable and drag it out. (Or for new cables, you simply loop a them through the guides.)

      So in sort, times change and so do the datacenters. :-)

    4. Re:Turns? by convolvatron · · Score: 4, Interesting

      you're right in some sense, the pressure underneath the
      plenum will force air through no matter what. there
      are however two problems. the first is that turbulence
      underneath the floor can turn the directed kinetic energy
      of the air into heat...this can be a real drag. in circumstances
      where you need to move alot of air, the channel may not
      even be sufficiently wide.

      more importantly, the air ends up coming out where the
      resistance is less, leading to uneven distribution of
      air. if you're grossly overbudget and just relying on
      the ambient temperature of the machine room, this isn't
      a problem. but when you get close to the edge it can
      totally push you over.

    5. Re:Turns? by temojen · · Score: 1

      ahem.

    6. Re:Turns? by Infinityis · · Score: 1

      It's more a matter of airflow. If you have high airflow, it can matter. For example, if you drive your car towards or against the wind, either way you get where you're going, but it just takes more energy to fight the wind.

      Granted, this is 70mph wind stuff we're talking about, so it likely wouldn't apply in a datacenter environment. Although it'd be fun to imagine losing certain co-workers getting sucked into the hurricane-force winds. Tune in tonight at 7 for "When Datacenters Attack!"

    7. Re:Turns? by krbvroc1 · · Score: 1
      Intuitively (IANAME), I would expect there to be

      1) Resistance. Turns, right angled plenum, or obstructions from cables/power cords would impede airflow right?
      2) While atmospheric differential is key, the magnitude of the differential would be indicate how much resistance/efficiency there is.
      3) Even a perfectly working system must only be capable of delivering a certain amount of cool air flow. With these hotter and hotter computers, at some point the equipment exceeds your airflow budget.

    8. Re:Turns? by Tinidril · · Score: 1

      Ever try to pull a string around a corner, or ten corners? Your pull may be the same, but the result is not.

      When the air is forced to turn a corner it creates more friction than if it is pushed/pulled in a straight line. This serves to both heat the air, and to cause the motors creating the negative/positive atmospheres to do that much more work.

      I do wonder how much difference either effect really has. Doesn't seem like there should be much. Raised floors are optimal for taking advantage of convection currents, and I think that alone would overcome any disadvantages from sharp turns.

      I've often wondered if it would make sense to design a data-center with several hundred feet of open space above it like a giant chimney. The roof could be designed to allow free air-flow but keep out the elements. Then cooled aid is pumped into the lower level and should remain there until it is heated and convection lifts it away. This way the outside air could be cooled as it is brought in, instead of trying to cool the hot air that is already inside. I'm sure someone will be able to tell me why this idea is daft. :)

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    9. Re:Turns? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      ...this can be a real drag.

      That line blows.

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    10. Re:Turns? by Politburo · · Score: 1

      Well, for starters, wasting a few thousand square feet of usable space for ventilation is silly. Also you may not want to bring in fresh air. If it's 100 out and 70 in the room, why bring in 100 degree air? Also moving air by convection is not a quick process.

    11. Re:Turns? by LaCosaNostradamus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Obviously you realize that as the equipment contents of datacenters change, it doesn't make sense to change the room sturcture all that much? Hence many older datacenters have retained their raised floors. Of course, their air conditioners were also designed for raised floors.

      I don't know where you've worked, but every datacenter I've seen has had a raised floor, and all of them still had at least one mainframe structure still in use ... hence, they still routed cables under the floor for them, by design.

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    12. Re:Turns? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > thenthegruewilleastyouandnoonewillnoticebwhahaha

      Whew, and here I was so worried it was going to eat me :)

    13. Re:Turns? by nettdata · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, with the way computers are being designed now, raised flooring and proper cooling is even MORE of an issue than it was.

      With the advent of blades, the heat generated per rack space is now typically MUCH higher than it was a back in the day. If anything, the raised flooring should be redesigned, as it can't cope with the airflow that is needed for higher density server rooms.

      You'll find that a number of racks are being redesigned with built-in plenums for cooling... a cold feed on the bottom, and a hot return at the top, with individual ducts for various levels of the rack.

      There are even liquid-cooled racks available for the BIG jobs.

      I think that it's not so much that we're going to get rid of raised floors, but just redesign the materials and layout of them to be more effective with the needs of today.

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    14. Re:Turns? by Xzzy · · Score: 1

      Some of the rooms I've seen lately have so many air conditioners dumping air under the floor, the currents are going too fast to rise through holes at a desired rate. Obviously it comes out somewhere, but it may not be where you want it.

      Also obviously, some air will always push up all over the place, but it may not be enough in a spot that needs it. It generates hot and cold spots all over the room. I've seen this worked around by adjusting where tiles with holes are placed, and using baffles under the floor.

      A lot of places also have plenty of air conditioners, but poor exhaust. So the pressure tends to build up in the room, reducing the effectiveness of air circulation. Even worse, machines near the top of a rack are several degrees warmer than ones near the floor.

    15. Re:Turns? by LaCosaNostradamus · · Score: 1

      The OP was talking about AIR ... not the nasty filthgas churning vilely in your abdomen! You could eat holes in cinder blocks with that stuff!

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    16. Re:Turns? by woozlewuzzle · · Score: 1

      So, you mean it isn't a matter of how he grips it?

    17. Re:Turns? by Jon_E · · Score: 1

      it's a horrible thing being easted and finding out your job has been moved to Mumbai.

    18. Re:Turns? by BSDFreak · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      (Great way to keep your boss at bay, too. "Don't come in here! We've got tiles up and you may fall in a hole! thenthegruewilleastyouandnoonewillnoticebwhahaha")

      Nothing worse than being easted. Or is it easten?

    19. Re:Turns? by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      I work on test equipment, not server racks so YMMV, but we use chilled water rather than raised floors for our gear. Water has a much better heat density than air, is less noisy (alright, the noise is displaced, but the end result is the same), easier to maintain, and we can more easily exhaust our waste heat to the outside (where the chiller is located).
      As a result of all this our (new) test floor costs only about $12.00 per square foot rather than $30-100 for the raised structure.
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    20. Re:Turns? by muellerr1 · · Score: 1

      What with all the recent turbulence, I'm sure he's just under a lot of pressure.

    21. Re:Turns? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the four quadrants of the server room in a certain hush hush gov't building near a certain genteel town in the UK have raised floors... those server rooms are huge... very, very huge... I'd tell how I know, but I'd have to kill you...

    22. Re:Turns? by capicu · · Score: 0

      Sounds like a geeky way of saying kiss my ass to me.
      OFF WITH HIS HEAD

    23. Re:Turns? by prgrmr · · Score: 1

      Granted, this is 70mph wind stuff we're talking about, so it likely wouldn't apply in a datacenter environment.

      You've obviously not been in our data center. Rasied floor, two rows of racks, air blown up from the floor in front of the racks (every pannel immediately in the front of the racks), hot-air-returns in the ceiling behind the racks (center aisle). There's about 10 degree difference between the front and backside of the racks, and more than one person has complained about the "marlyin monroe" effect on the frontside.

    24. Re:Turns? by twiddlingbits · · Score: 1

      Well, for one thing the temp & humidity of outside air varies a lot, which can make more work for your A/C systems. The air within the datacenter only raises a pretty constant amount (heat from servers) and the humidity is constantly low. Even with turns your A/C systems work less. Convection cooling while very energy efficient is really slow unless you are somewhere where you can use the wind to pull a vacuum and suck it out the vents.

    25. Re:Turns? by idontgno · · Score: 1

      I suppose. But if the chilled water runs into a CRAC in the corner, and the water feed or return leaks, you have a puddle in the subfloor plenum meters away from the nearest system. If the chilled water runs into your rack, and you have a leak in a feed or return, you have pretty sparks and a loud popping sound and totally borked systems. Maybe. Not to say, if the subfloor water sensors are totally ass, you couldn't have the puddle meander over to energized cabling, resulting in sparks and popping noises and borkage, but it seems keeping water and electricity apart is one of those "more is better" thingies.

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    26. Re:Turns? by Thuktun · · Score: 1

      GP: Some say it isn't practical to expect air to make several ninety-degree turns and actually get to where it's supposed to go.

      P: Tell that to the methane in my bowels.

      Your definition of "air" disturbs me.

    27. Re:Turns? by swb · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I still miss why running cabling under the floor is worse than running it in overhead trays. Either the trays are too high to get at without a ladder (thus making them at least as inconvenient as floor tiles), or they're too low and you bash things into them.

      Overhead tray systems also suffer from a fairly rigid room layout, and I have yet to see a data center being used the way it was originally layed out after a few years. Raised flooring allows for a lot of flexibility for power runs, cabling runs and so on without having to install an overhead tray grid.

      Raised flooring also offers some slight protection against water leaks. We had our last raised floor system installed with all the power and data runs enclosed in liquidtight conduit due to the tenant's unfortunate run-ins with the buildings drain system and plumbing in the past.

      I guess overhead tray makes sense if all you want to do is fill 10,000 sq ft with rack cabinets, but it's not really that flexible or even attractive, IMHO.

    28. Re:Turns? by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      We have a basic rule: all wires and cables are 6" off the floor or higher. Takes care of all the issues. All the equipment has an overheat alarm and shutoff, so no damage. Leaks inside the equipment are very rare (read: not once in the 5 years some of it has been deployed). The internal water handling is way overdesigned, which in this case is the way it should be :)

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    29. Re:Turns? by Tinidril · · Score: 1

      I don't really see the issue as usable space as much as material and construction costs. If your designing new construction you would eventually reach a point where you could either do a conventional roof, or build a taller one with dampeners and a convection chamber. The question would then be one of ROI.

      If the air around the computers is at 70 degrees then I would expect the air several hundred feet above the computers to be more like 80 or 90 degrees. (No science here, just pulling numbers.) Dampeners could be installed to stop airflow when it is warmer outside than in the roof chamber. When the dampeners are closed the system would work just the same as existing systems today. In a cool climate this may not happen much at all.

      I know that convection alone isn't a quick process, but my thinking was that specific cooling would be done by normal methods, and the convection cycle would exist just to make things more efficient. Instead of cooling the warmer air, use convection to collect it in a chamber where it can be exchanged with cooler outside air.

      This could also work as a buffer for failures in the main cooling system. I worked in a datacenter where the cooling system failed completely. (The failure resulted from a botched install of a redundant system.) The temperature rose 20 degrees in two minutes and kept going. If there had been someplace for the heat to go I think we would have been much better off.

      I do still think my idea is probably daft, and your reasoning is probably better than mine. It is still an interesting thought though. Maybe a smaller solution could work. Just make the room 20 feet taller and install fans to exchange outside air with what is in the top of the room.

      I suspect that the humidity of the outside air would be another issue. High humidity would promote corrosion and low humidity would promote static electricity.

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    30. Re:Turns? by pete-classic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think that the biggest single reason is that cable ladders encourage neat and sane cabling. Raised flooring . . . doesn't.

      -Peter

    31. Re:Turns? by Tinidril · · Score: 1

      Do you think that this could be used to supplement a conventional system? Baffles in the top of the convection chamber could be closed when the outside air gets too hot or humid, and this may be a nice backup for partial or total failure of the standard system.

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    32. Re:Turns? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is what we just did when we moved buildings. Ladder racking across the top, forced ducted hot air return with cold air intake to force the flow.

      This took a lot of planning but it's very nice.

      Each rack is separately enclosed with dedicated power. Cat5/6 cable has been pre-run to support 20 servers per cabinet if we use the smallest server size. IP kvm's ports are also installed and pre-wired into each rack.

      So when we order a new server we rack it, grab 2 1 foot cables and a 1-2 foot power cable depending on the placement. Plug in a IP-kvm cable and walk away.

    33. Re:Turns? by nettdata · · Score: 1

      Gee... you think?

      Just be aware that THIS water cooling isn't the "hey, look what I McGuiver'd in my dorm room with some duct tape and a styrofoam cooler" type stuff. This is professional, high quality equipment with some serious engineering behind it.

      For instance:

      IBM's offering (starts at around US $5k, per rack)

      Knurr's offering

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    34. Re:Turns? by Elvisisdead · · Score: 1

      Maybe a Tornado fuel saver would help.

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    35. Re:Turns? by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      Ah, but can water flow around corners ?

      This is what the big issue is after all.

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    36. Re:Turns? by sixteenraisins · · Score: 1

      Many very large data centers are cooled with chilled water air conditioning rather than direct expansion (refrigerant). IT managers are much happier with cold pipes running underneath their equipment, rather than above it - another use for the raised floor.

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    37. Re:Turns? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're blowing hot air, making a tempest in a teapot. Just go with the flow and this flap will all blow over.

    38. Re:Turns? by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      That's the beauty of it: where air is this apparently solid material that can't be ducted at 45's or 30-30-30 to minimize turbulance, water can be put in a hose that bends evenly across it's radius :-) **
      -nB

      ** for those who think 90 deg bends are a non issue, they do, in fact induce turbulance into the airflow, resist movement and may form eddie currents in the corners. If, however, this is an issue you can duct the air in either 2 45 degree or three 30 degree bends. This all but eliminates the offending backpressure, allowing the delivery of more air to where it is needed. Our old test floor used this approach (still does for the air-cooled stuff), rather than cooling the entire floor.

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    39. Re:Turns? by billsoxs · · Score: 1

      Turns do affect the flow of air. It is something known as 'conductance.' The higher the conductance the higher the flow. In general the conductance goes down approximately linearly with the tube length and approximately linearly up with the cube of the tube diameter. e.g. Conductance = constants * d^3/L. Adding bends is like adding length to a tube. As I remember a 90 degree bend of a 2 inch pipe is like adding 2 feet of piping. Think of it this way, if you want to shoot a spit wad out of a straw, putting bends in it will make the spit wad go slower.

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    40. Re:Turns? by laughing+rabbit · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Aye...

      I worked consolidating serveral data operations from various older centers into a new building. Pulling up a tile and searching down through the archeological strata of cables was amazing. Fiber on top, then a layer of UTP, then coax (getting ever thicker as you got close to the concrete), then--finally that moment of truth when you find the AC plug you were looking for, and the frayed wire next to it that knocked you back. There was no room for airflow in those places.

      Fortunately, the new datacenter had cable trays under the floor, tiles at 30", nicely labled AC outlets that matched the rack and region names. I shudder to think what will be like in 30 years.

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    41. Re:Turns? by lowry-kun · · Score: 1

      Raised Floors are still absolutly essential in High Performance Computing sites. Large linux clusters produce massive ammounts of heat and require lots of cables. Ever seen the size of an Infiniband cable?

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    42. Re:Turns? by xaosflux · · Score: 1

      We don't rely on our raised floors for any cooling needs, simply for connectivity and power cable maangement. We have ladder racks under the tiles to keep the cables neat, and everthing lines up great. When fibre is needed we usually run it in a conduit though to keep it safe.

    43. Re:Turns? by DavidTC · · Score: 1
      It doesn't matter what the airflow looks like.

      If you put X cubic feet of air per second into something at one end, you're damn well going to get X cubic feet of air per second out at the other end. (Or it's going to explode, or has a leak.)

      All that can happen that you might need a larger fan to push the same amount of air, and it might exit the other end more spread out, instead of in a stream.

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    44. Re:Turns? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You rule.

    45. Re:Turns? by DavidTC · · Score: 1
      This is why power should not be under the floor like that. Power should come down from the ceiling, because that is completely unrelated to any other kind of cabling and won't require rerouting. (Unless you move the racks, in which case, duh, you have to change all cabling, period.)

      Everything else should be under the floor, except the incoming wires, which should come in on the wall, and end up under the floor only if they need to. (Normally they should just connect to a panel and make a short hop to a router.)

      This is how I would design a server room if I could. This is not how I've ever seen a server room.

      How the room should be cooled...I dunno. I've always distrusted the forced floor cooling. It's always seemed to me that completely falls apart if you have any panels up. But I am not an expert on cooling.

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    46. Re:Turns? by DavidTC · · Score: 1
      That's exactly what I'm always worried about with raised floor cooling thingies. One tile ajar and air flies out. Or one little hole punched somewhere in the tile to let a wire through and you've got a leak, and if that leak's easier to get air through than the servers...

      I've never quite understood what's wrong with laying a duct or two into the room and hooking them to the racks. If your racks expect bottom cooling, well, hook it to the bottom, under the floor. If not, it'd be good to figure out a way to split up the air so you can cool all servers equally. They probably already make racks that you can hook up ducts to.

      Subfloor wiring and subfloor AC just don't mix. You can't keep fiddling around down there with wires and not screw up the airflow.

      And I love subfloor wiring, so would rather keep that...but one of them has got to go.

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    47. Re:Turns? by spir0 · · Score: 1

      Our server room still utilises a raised floor. But we do have a 20 year old phone exchange in there. I was just pulling cables under the accursed floor just yesterday. The best part about a raised floor is that it's very exciting chasing cables that zig zag around the room because of past restructuring.

      not.

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    48. Re:Turns? by patio11 · · Score: 1

      If your bowels were designed better there wouldn't be any methane left in them, would there?

    49. Re:Turns? by halltk1983 · · Score: 1

      Do you call your "device" an "intern" too?

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    50. Re:Turns? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But don't raised floors let you keep a server room much hotter than a room without a raised floor? They let you cool the computers and other equipment by directing the airflow to only the area right around the racks. Doesn't this save a lot of money and also save a lot of energy?

    51. Re:Turns? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      I think he's talking about bottom-to-top vs. front-to-back cooling. You used to put a perforated tile under an equipment rack and it would blow air up into the rack, and the gear in the rack could cool through vents in the bottom and heat would go up (as it tends to do).

      PC-style rack gear has solid tops and bottoms and pulls its air in the front and out the back. So ideally you'd put the perf tile in front of the rack. But this is only really effective for the bottom half of the rack since the cool air spreads out like a cone.

      So, ideally you'd like the cool air to go straight up seven feet and take a 90 into the front of the topmost rack. But it doesn't do that.

      At least that's what I think he was so obscurely trying to say.

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    52. Re:Turns? by Hannes+Eriksson · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Granted, this is 70mph wind stuff we're talking about, so it likely wouldn't apply in a datacenter environment.

      You've obviously not been in our data center. Rasied floor, two rows of racks, air blown up from the floor in front of the racks (every pannel immediately in the front of the racks), hot-air-returns in the ceiling behind the racks (center aisle). There's about 10 degree difference between the front and backside of the racks, and more than one person has complained about the "marlyin monroe" effect on the frontside.


      That "Marilyn Monroe" effect is quite nice on rainy days, drying your trousers after the bicycle ride to work, without the risk of getting ugly looking folding marks on them. No ironing textile care! Oh, and did I mention the nice side effect of letting the moisture help the AC keep the room antistatic? The heated airflow between two rows of racks allow for a quicker drying procedure, but that doesn't keep you away from those pesky users as long, does it?
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    53. Re:Turns? by instarx · · Score: 1

      As long as the space under the floor has a negative or positive atmosphere I can't see how somme turns have anything to do with the air flow.

      Air has mass that is being moved through the system. If you have a straight duct run you only have to accelerate the air from zero fps to the duct velocity (Vd) once. If the air makes just three 90 degree turns you have to accelerate the same air from zero to Vd four times and that takes six times the energy (yes, six, there are other losses as well). That's a LOT of extra energy.

      Torturous air paths in the ventilations system increase the initial and operating costs of the air handling system as well as decreasing the cooling capacity. The air doesn't even have to be in a duct or plenum. Every time it changes direction, even in an open room, the air handling system has to supply the energy to move it. This makes the linearity of the air path very important. (Note that this does not apply for the air inside equipment where turbulent air is desirable for good heat transfer).

      So yes, you are right technically - as long as you have negative pressure at the collection point the system will work. The issue is whether you pay $5,000/year for that negative pressure or $30,000/yr.

    54. Re:Turns? by instarx · · Score: 1

      If, however, this is an issue you can duct the air in either 2 45 degree or three 30 degree bends. This all but eliminates the offending backpressure

      Not true at all. It lessens it, but does not elliminate it. In fact, of more importance is the radius of the turns. A 90 degree turn with a radius of 4 duct diameters is more efficient that two 45 degree turns with radii of 1 duct diameter.

    55. Re:Turns? by instarx · · Score: 1

      It soens't matter what the airflow looks like. If you put X cubic feet of air per second into something at one end, you're damn well going to get X cubic feet of air per second out at the other end. (Or it's going to explode, or has a leak.)

      All that can happen that you might need a larger fan to push the same amount of air, and it might exit the other end more spread out, instead of in a stream.


      Right, however your simple solution of a "larger fan" may translate into $200,000 air handler and $75,000 yeary operating cost vs a $100,000 system and $10,000 yearly operating costs with an efficient duct system.

    56. Re:Turns? by instarx · · Score: 1

      the first is that turbulence
      underneath the floor can turn the directed kinetic energy
      of the air into heat...this can be a real drag


      You gotta be kidding me. Do you really think the heat generated from turbulence would even be MEASURABLE? If it were as you say we could just heat our houses this winter with fans - wouldn't that be nice.

    57. Re:Turns? by MECC · · Score: 1

      We've got both overhead cable ladder racking and raised floors. We got the overhead racking because the raised floor space was nearly used up. Think about it. In mainframe days, power and data cabling needs were less than they are now. You had racks wider than they are now, with two power runs (if you were smart) into each rack, and some of the inter-rack cabling going under the floor from one rack to the next, in many cases.

      Now, picture a rack filled with 2U dells, each needing two data runs all the way back to a central switch, and the same power needs as the racks of mainframe days, but now narrower racks, and more of them. Remember to include all the fiber-channel runs that can't risk being crushed by whatever gets piled under the floor.

      Raised floors are still needed, if just for power. But, they're not enough anymore. Sure, computing takes less space these days, but now so much more it is needed.

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    58. Re:Turns? by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Well there are some ways to keep the problems to a minimum. You could use distilled water or an inert fluid in the actual machines with a liquid to liquid heat exchanger on the bottom of the rack. Or each rack could have a small ac unit that air uses the liquid cooling system as it's heat dump.
      Keep all cables in over head racks, leak sensors, sumps, the list goes on and on. Mainframes used liquid cooling for years. Most of the technical problems have been solved now it is just cost issue.
      The waste heat could be used for supplemental heat in the winter for the office space or for hot water heating for the building.

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    59. Re:Turns? by freakmn · · Score: 1

      It might be me, but I'd rather have methane in my bowels than having to take a dump every 10 minutes. Also, wouldn't your redesign make it so that there's a constant flow of gases outwards? I think I'm fine with my bowels the way they are.

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    60. Re:Turns? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      We've got tiles up and you may fall in a hole!

      Dangit - my brain parsed that wrong. I read "We've got tiles up and you may fall in, a-hole!".

    61. Re:Turns? by laughing+rabbit · · Score: 1
      For my own small room -- I have no raised floor. Power is on the wall, with cords under raceways. cable is in the air using ladders. It's only 3 racks, no big deal. For cooling, I had to go low budget and cut a hole through the brick and block wall in order to set in a jumbo industrial window unit. It is blowing air across the front of the racks and I'm amazed at how cool the back of the racks are.

      Helps that I keep the thermostat at 68F.

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    62. Re:Turns? by jbengt · · Score: 1

      I don't know what you've encountered, but I've designed mechanical systems (HVAC, plumbing, fireprotection) for dozens of server rooms/UPS rooms/data centers over the years. Except for the smallest ones, almost all of the server rooms have had raised floors, though the raised floor is not always used for airflow.
      I disagree with you about cable management in a raised floor. Getting all the power and data cables from overhead to rows and rows of racks is not easier, and far uglier, than running them thru the floor. Most medium to large centers I've worked in have run cable tray mains overhead and all the distribution underfloor. In fact, many office buildings run the power and data out to the workstations in cast-in-floor ducts. Several buildings I've worked on lately have had raised floors throughout the office space (400,000 sq ft +) running power and cable to the workstations, and even using the raised floor for general office cooling and ventilation air.

    63. Re:Turns? by jbengt · · Score: 1

      What yuou need is an enforced corporate policy of removing all obsolete cables. I recently worked on changes and expansion to a server room, including phased relocation of many services to another building. Discovering which cables could be disconnected when was a huge headache, many of them were obsolete and just getting in the way. In the expanded server room, which was a testing lab and so could be expected to undergo lots of changes, they ran underfloor data and power alternately in every other aisle. This seemed to work out OK. We would expect power changes in any data center, and, in fact, in this case there were already several changes to the power requirements even before construction was completed.

    64. Re:Turns? by jbengt · · Score: 1

      Every turn creates eddies which dissipate energy, lowering the pressure available to push the air.

    65. Re:Turns? by jbengt · · Score: 1

      Energy contained in the air velocity is proportional to density times the velocity squared, known as the velocity pressure. Depending on how your changes in direction are being made, the pressure loss at each 90 deg turn can be anywhere between 0.1 times the velocity pressure to 3 or 4 times the velocity pressure. More important in an underfloor supply plenum than 90 deg turns is the effect of blockages from cables, etc.

    66. Re:Turns? by instarx · · Score: 1

      Energy contained in the air velocity is proportional to density times the velocity squared, known as the velocity pressure. Depending on how your changes in direction are being made, the pressure loss at each 90 deg turn can be anywhere between 0.1 times the velocity pressure to 3 or 4 times the velocity pressure. More important in an underfloor supply plenum than 90 deg turns is the effect of blockages from cables, etc.

      Of course you are right, and thanks, but since the overall discussion was at a pretty low technical level I kept it simple (maybe too simple?). Although I'm familiar with such things as velocity pressure (Vp), static pressure (Sp), laminar flow, pitot tubes, frictional losses, radii of turns, transitional losses, capture velocities, etc., there was only so much ASHRAE technical stuff I could put into a one paragraph /. reply and have it still make sense.

      But you are certainly right - it is a lot more complicated that just saying that 90 degree turns suck energy out of the airflow.

    67. Re:Turns? by DavidTC · · Score: 1
      Well, yeah, when you're building.

      I'm just saying, if you're not moving the racks around, you're not moving the power around, assuming you ran enough in the first place. You, at minimum, have to add a single cable for each new server.

      Ergo, you can run overhead trays with the power in them, but have them up high, where you need a stepladder to reach them but they aren't in the way.

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  5. Short Article. by darkmeridian · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Says that raised floors may be inefficient if it gets block. Then says alternatives are expensive. Direct AC where you need it, the article says.

    Why wouldn't raised floors be bad if you used them properly?

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    1. Re:Short Article. by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      I've wanted raised floors, but not for cooling. I just want to hide the power and data cables. I figure just a 3" rise in the floor would be sufficient.

      If it wasn't my basement I'd just put outlets in the floor, and if I didn't want it also to serve as my theater room I'd consider outlets in the ceiling.

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    2. Re:Short Article. by timeOday · · Score: 1
      Direct AC where you need it, the article says.
      Maybe we should move towards water cooling. It seems inefficient to keep a big room a 65 degrees just to cool a few square centimeters of silicon.
    3. Re:Short Article. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plus your mom will kick your ass.

    4. Re:Short Article. by twiddlingbits · · Score: 1

      Electronics and water don't mix. Leaks can be deadly to servers and people.

  6. Oh...so it's for practial reasons... by Infinityis · · Score: 5, Funny

    I thought the raised flooring was just to make the people working there look taller and more impressive, kinda like how they do with pharmacists.

    1. Re:Oh...so it's for practial reasons... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or the Hot Dog on a Stick girls.

  7. Turns? by archeopterix · · Score: 3, Funny
    Some say it isn't practical to expect air to make several ninety-degree turns and actually get to where it's supposed to go.
    Tell that to the methane in my bowels.
  8. I wouldn't say they're going to become obsolete. by wcrowe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Another big reason for raised floors is to handle wiring. I know companies where it was installed only for this reason. Cooling wasn't even on their minds.

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  9. Hey -- who's the experts anyways?!?! by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 1

    You say the "experts" debate it, then ask us? Who you calling expert anyway?

    Hey! You! get offa my cloud!

    1. Re:Hey -- who's the experts anyways?!?! by coleblak · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hey, McCloud, get offa my ewe!

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      Hey! You! get offa my cloud!

      And the Scots say, "Hey! McCloud! Get off my ewe!

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  11. Ooohhh, look at ME! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Look at ME! I use raised flooring in my data center! I get to crawl through it routing cables and playing fort! I'm so special!"

    This is all I hear around here. Would you folks please just get a hold of yourselves?

  12. wired grid by geekoid · · Score: 1

    just make the floor grates. Strong enough to stand on, with lots of small holes.
    Shheesh,

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    1. Re:wired grid by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      That won't work for the same reason that leaving the cover off of many old Unix workstations would cause them to overheat - the air doesn't go where you need it. Take a look inside a sparc IPX or something, and it will give you an idea of what directed airflow is all about. Now, multiply that by a factor of a gojillion.

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    2. Re:wired grid by beisbol · · Score: 1

      and imagine all the snickers wrappers and coke cans that would somehow find their way under the grates.

    3. Re:wired grid by rebelcan · · Score: 1

      "factor of a gojilion"

      I first read that as "factor of a godzilla". Now that's some serious coolant requirements.

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    4. Re:wired grid by geekoid · · Score: 1

      That makes no sense to me.

      Putting 'grate' floor lets the heat rise. And gives room for the cables. Imagine a room with non-raised floors, and cables laying all over the place. How do you cool that?

      Now raise everything a foot off the floor, and use the grate flooring, and cool it the same way.

      As far as getting the air to the right place, thats a matter of airflow design in the case.

      Or maybe it's been so long since I've been in a raised for server room I have forgotten something critical.

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  13. No more zinc whiskers? by dextromulous · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If we get rid of the raised floors, how am I supposed to impress people with my knowledge of zinc whiskers?

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    1. Re:No more zinc whiskers? by MarkGriz · · Score: 1

      "If we get rid of the raised floors, how am I supposed to impress people with my knowledge of zinc whiskers?"

      Thanks to the EU, you'll be able to impress people with your knowledge of tin whiskers instead.

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  14. Army Research Labs solution... by Seltsam · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I interned at ARL inside of Aberdeen Proving Grounds this past summer and when touring the supercomputer room (more like cluster room these days), the guide said they used one of the computers in the room to simulate the airflow in that room so they could align the systems for better cooling. How geeky is that!

    1. Re:Army Research Labs solution... by vhawke · · Score: 1

      And from some of the Geekiest of all, we (okay co-workers of mine) also did a full simulation of the the room the Columbia computer system nows resides in, using some of the same codes used to design and analyze space vehicles.

    2. Re:Army Research Labs solution... by bigpat · · Score: 2, Funny

      the guide said they used one of the computers in the room to simulate the airflow in that room so they could align the systems for better cooling.

      I bet that computer simulated the best cooling for itself.

    3. Re:Army Research Labs solution... by hackstraw · · Score: 2, Funny

      How geeky is that!

      Some call that planning and engineering.

      An engineering firm that was hired to do some upgrades to our 2 room computer facility which included a fan to circulate air between the two rooms. We asked what the CFM of the fans were and how often the air would be exchanged between the rooms. Their answer: Dunno, never thought of that. Good thing we did.

    4. Re:Army Research Labs solution... by DavidTC · · Score: 1
      Were they sharing an AC or something?

      If not, what on earth was the point of that?

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    5. Re:Army Research Labs solution... by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      Were they sharing an AC or something?

      Actually, yes. A fan exhausting from the hot aisle in the room was exhausting towards the intake from an AC unit in another room. Another fan is to be installed in the reverse air flow which will predominantly blow cold aisle air into the other room.

      It should work quite well.

  15. Not Just Cooling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Cooling, IMO, is a secondary use of raised floors.

    The real usefulness is the ability to run cabling from any point A to any point B in the floor space. The cables are all safely hidden beneath the tiles. If you need to access them, just drop your suction cups on the tile and pull it up.

    Without the raised floor, you have to put your rats nest of cabling somewhere else, which almost certainly mean vertical. You will still want to run some of those cables horizontally across the room for various reasons, so now you have cables on the floor/ceiling/along wall etc.

    Long live the raised floors!

    1. Re:Not Just Cooling by Iphtashu+Fitz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Cooling, IMO, is a secondary use of raised floors.

      The real usefulness is the ability to run cabling from any point A to any point B in the floor space.


      That's good to an extent, as long as the cable runs aren't too long. Go take a look at an enterprise grade colocation hosting facility and you may change your mind. I've spent a lot of time at one of the top-tier MCI facilities. It has a raised floor that's used for cooling and power distribution, but all networking is done via 3 or 4 layers of overhead cable trays. It's much easier to climb on top of a cable ladder that can easily support your weight to run a cable the length of a datacenter than it is to crawl underneath a floor trying to fish a cable past supports, power lines, etc.

    2. Re:Not Just Cooling by TinyManCan · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Without the raised floor, you have to put your rats nest of cabling somewhere else, which almost certainly mean vertical.

      I don't believe that there should be a rats nest of cabling _anywhere_ in a datacenter. I hate raised floors because they allow techs to get sloppy. Vertical wiring trays eliminate that possibility by showing their hackish wiring job to everyone.

      When your datacenter is new, you should pre-wire patch panels in each cabinet for SAN and Ethernet. Each cabinet should have a PDU.

      Run all of the cables from all of the patch panels back to your main SAN and Network patch panels.

      If you do that work ahead of time, all you will ever have to do is plug a server into a patch panel in the same cabinet.

      For larger equipment (Disk arrays, Tape Libraries, etc) you place the equipment and carefully measure the cable runs. Make sure you only have 3 feet of 'slack' and run the cables cleanly.

      Its a lot of work to keep a datacenter in order, but it is worth it in the long run. For one, you'll never have to spend two weeks tracing an ethernet cable around the datacenter to locate a phantom server.

    3. Re:Not Just Cooling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I worked at an IBM location that had several 10x20 foot raised floor computer rooms as well as the large server room. You hate to hear "Why don't you wear jeans and an T-shirt tomorrow" It meant cable work in one of the smaller rooms. The big one was well managed, the small ones whatever anyone wanted to do. The worst was so full of dead cable the tiles wouldn't seat down all of the way.

    4. Re:Not Just Cooling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always thought a novel solution to the problem was to install a gps device onto all the servers and design an intranetwork only interface to return a location for the said phantom server. Of course, that may be approaching the problem from the wrong side but it sure beats something boring like doing 'proper' cabling. hmphh

  16. No by temojen · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's in lower power chips, more efficient PSUs, and possibly liquid cooling where the radiator is outside the building (or a heat exchanger to heat pump loop in hot climates).

    1. Re:No by Nutria · · Score: 2, Insightful

      liquid cooling

      Being, literally, a grey-beard who remembers working on intelligent (3270-series) terminals and water-cooled mainframes and Unix and DOS punks crowing about how "the mainframe is dead"... things like Citrix, LTSP, liquid-cooled racks, and IBM setting new records in "number of mainframe MIPS sold every year" really amuses me.

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    2. Re:No by Keruo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, leave out raised floors and install servers on floor level then.
      But remember, this is what happens when shit hits the fan and servers are on floor level.

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    3. Re:No by Doppler00 · · Score: 1

      I think the industry should seriously recondider liquid cooling. I mean if you are going to spend all that money on wires and cables, why not run tubes that could contain a cooling fluid? Then, each server could have an in/out port for a liquid connection.

    4. Re:No by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1
      Heh... I'm not quite literally a grey-beard (since I am clean-shaven) but back in my day the floors were raised to accommodate the truckloads of cabling that strung all the pieces of machinery to each other and to the power supply.

      Air (and lots of it) was pumped through ducts in the roof. It's a fallacy that modern equipment needs that much more cooling; if the air-con blew in a machine-room housing a Burroughs B3700 and associated peripherals, the temperature would soar to 55 deg Celsius in less than 5 minutes, which meant you had half that time to shut everything down.

    5. Re:No by Diag · · Score: 1

      Back in my day the floors were raised to accommodate the truckloads of cabling that strung all the pieces of machinery to each other and to the power supply.

      Ah yes, the old mainframe parallel channel cables. Almost an inch thick each, and usually bunched together in groups of 16 or 32. The mainframe engineers needed muscles back in those days.

      It's a fallacy that modern equipment needs that much more cooling

      Even after my days wedged between mainframe devices, nothing compares heat-wise to multiple rows of 45U racks completely loaded with 1U Dell servers all blowing like there's no tomorrow. Computer room cooling is becoming a big problem, even in old-school data centres orginally designed for mainframes.

      Bring back water cooling, I say!

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    6. Re:No by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      "if the air-con blew in a machine-room housing a Burroughs B3700 and associated peripherals, the temperature would soar to 55 deg Celsius in less than 5 minutes, which meant you had half that time to shut everything down."
      I worked on an old System 38 "mini" at a hospital. Every month they would test the backup generators which didn't power the AC in the machine room. If the test went over 5 minutes we had to start the emergency shutdown procedures. We also made sure that not back ups or print jobs where started during the test. And that was a "small" system compared to the mainframes of the time.

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    7. Re:No by Nutria · · Score: 1

      Bring back water cooling, I say!

      The data center (in NY State) where I work used to have a fresh air vent, that they opened up during the winter.

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    8. Re:No by jbengt · · Score: 1

      Lower power chips can save power for running the servers and for cooling them, but advances in chip performance and power haven't helped the cooling problem at all. The typical response to having lower power chips has historically been to cram more processers into the same space, leaving cooling just as problematic.

  17. One way to fight this -- the CHIP by Work+Account · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To paraphrase a popular saying: "It's the COMPUTERS, stupid!"

    Inefficient architectures must be discarded to make way for more modern, smaller, COOLER processors.

    Let's address the real problem here -- not the SYMPTOM of hot air.

    We need to address the COMPUTERS.

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    1. Re:One way to fight this -- the CHIP by OSS_ilation · · Score: 1

      It's all about the mighty dollar though. Demand a change in computer hardware until you're blue in the face, th epowers that be won;t change so long as it's cheaper to sinply blow on the thing until they, too, turn blue.

    2. Re:One way to fight this -- the CHIP by n0dalus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Perhaps more importantly, better software solutions can make large hardware systems unnecessary. Instead of running and cooling 10 servers for a certain purpose, write better software to allow you to do the same thing on just one or two servers. If you cut down the amount of servers in the room by enough, you don't even need dedicated cooling.

    3. Re:One way to fight this -- the CHIP by staticsage · · Score: 1

      So we'll just put off building a data center until cooling for machines is no longer needed.

    4. Re:One way to fight this -- the CHIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh. Agreed. We were recently moving a data center, and when like 90% of the computers were gone---and air-conditioning was still at the same old levels... well, the data center became like a freezer.

      The problem is most certainly computers. Remove them, and you remove the heat problem.

    5. Re:One way to fight this -- the CHIP by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Let's address the real problem here -- not the SYMPTOM of hot air.

      We need to address the COMPUTERS.


      Except that whenever you do that, they want to either push more power or in less space. Consumption is only really important when your energy is limited - such as cell phones, pdas, laptops and so on.

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    6. Re:One way to fight this -- the CHIP by Crispix · · Score: 1

      As servers get smaller and cooler, you're just going to run into the situation with blade servers that cram more and more CPUs into smaller and smaller spaces. The heat's going to be the same because of the quantity.

    7. Re:One way to fight this -- the CHIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Give me a frickin break. Many algorithms can only be so effecient. To get more done faster, you need more processing power. Pending any revolutionary advances in computer science, there's nothing you can do to improve by any amount that will reduce heat enough to even be noticable.

    8. Re:One way to fight this -- the CHIP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, this is asinine.

      As CPUs get cooler and smaller, we simply increase their density. As hardware scales up, so do our demands for it.

      Is this just about CPUs? News flash: I/O is just as big a power drain in the server room. 15K RPM drives put out a lot of heat.

      This isn't about effecient archs, this is about the general demand of computing. Increased density (even with decreased indivdual power use) makes cooling more important than ever.

      The computers aren't the problem, the demand is. Which is to say there isn't a problem. Honestly, I feel this is the stupidest comment I've replied to all week. As we increase efficiency we will see increases in demand. It's the same idea as with widening roads: If you widen a road, you will NOT improve traffic on it, you will only promote more people using said road.

    9. Re:One way to fight this -- the CHIP by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      I don't see your point. Unless you are doing something very asinine, or there are free(speech) implementations of a faster algorithm that you can customize to fit on your servers, why should a company spend money on coding to save at the power bill? The savings will almost never make it worth.

      The GP had a nice point, the most used processor architecture nowadays is inefficient. We could save by exchanging a chip. But, as far as I can see, changing programs is not very usefull.

    10. Re:One way to fight this -- the CHIP by jbengt · · Score: 1

      Using smaller, cooler processors does not result in easier cooling problems. It results in packing more processors in each rack, keeping the cooling problem consistently near, but hopefully not over, the edge of disaster.

  18. Why do devices need to be cooled? by WesG · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I am waiting for the day where someone invents a computer that doesn't need to be cooled or generate excess heat.

    Think about the lightbulb....A standard 60-watt incadescent bulb generate lots of heat. A better design is something like the LED bulbs that generate the same amount of lumens, with much less power, and more importantly little to no heat.

    Good design can allow these devices to not generate excess heat, hence eliminating the need for the raised floor.

    1. Re:Why do devices need to be cooled? by drmerope · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is essentially impossible. Unless you consider so called "reversible computing". But reversible computing must be adiabatic, and thus very slow. Basically, as you slow a computation down you begin to approach ideal efficiency.

      See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversible_computing

      Fast computing is made possible by destroying information (that's all computers do really, they destroy information). That destruction process entails an entropy cost that must be paid in heat.

    2. Re:Why do devices need to be cooled? by bigtrike · · Score: 1

      That would require all circuits to be built out of superconductors. It's not going to happen any time soon.

    3. Re:Why do devices need to be cooled? by NewWorldDan · · Score: 0

      As you can probably imagine, this is an area of intense research. Note today's earlier article about IBM slowing down light. Also note all the stories that come up about low power CPUs. The trick is getting all the performance you need. As per your light bulb example, people don't ues LED light bulbs because they're still terribly expensive, though they're much cheaper to operate. If you want to light up the room, you get a big incandescant. It'll typically take several years or longer of average use before the LED bulb saves enough electricity to pay for itself. Likewise, there are lower power CPUs available. Some that get pretty good performance on as little as 5 watts. But they're premium priced. Most CIOs would rather put the added cost into buying a much faster processor necessitating fewer servers. Fewer servers take a smaller staff to manage and therefore see a much lower TCO. But after payroll, electricity is usually the number 2 expense of a datacenter.

    4. Re:Why do devices need to be cooled? by mcsestretch · · Score: 0

      I'll get right on the "computer that doesn't generate heat" right after I get done making my point mass on a frictionless surface.

      Hey everybody, look! A magnetic monopole!

    5. Re:Why do devices need to be cooled? by hal200 · · Score: 1

      And don't go trying to sneak in one of those fancy perpetual motion machines, either! If you do that, Maxwell's Demon will eat you!

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    6. Re:Why do devices need to be cooled? by jebilbrey · · Score: 1

      They have invented a computer that doesn't need cooling. It's been around since around 2400 B.C. It's called the Abacus.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abacus

    7. Re:Why do devices need to be cooled? by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      You noticed that current computers can become a LOT more efficient before we start to see the limits stablished by the information theory, didn't you?

    8. Re:Why do devices need to be cooled? by hackstraw · · Score: 1

      I am waiting for the day where someone invents a computer that doesn't need to be cooled or generate excess heat.

      Air conditioners and refrigerators generate heat and those are intended to cool stuff down. Heck, people put off about the same heat as a 200 Watts heater.

      More efficient computers are possible, but they will never be 100% efficient.

    9. Re:Why do devices need to be cooled? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good design can allow these devices to not generate excess heat, hence eliminating the need for the raised floor.

      Okay, you tell Intel. See if they listen.

    10. Re:Why do devices need to be cooled? by drmerope · · Score: 1

      And I was reacting to:
        "I am waiting for the day where someone invents a computer that doesn't need to
        be cooled or generate excess heat."

      But to take your question on the surface, let me tell you that performance must come at the cost of energy efficiency at least so long as we are using semiconductors!

      The reason for this is primarily that feature size scaling (as follows moore's law) does not imply clock frequency scaling at all (and I mean a normalized metric such as the rate at which a 5 inverter ring can oscillate, not issues relating to pipeline granularity, etc). Clock frequency scaling has been acheived by continually reducing what is known as the threshold voltage. Unfortunately, this means that linear improvements in clock frequency come at exponential costs in leakage effects.

      This is the true 'red-brick wall' that has confronted the semiconductor industry. Moreover, this problem cannot be escaped merely by changing to a higher k dielectric as was done to combat the gate-oxide tunneling leakage. This is one is fundamental.

      Thus, the turn toward multicore CPUs. The feature sizes are scaling down but we can't pay the costs of lowering Vt further. So we have to learn to do more with concurrency (which we can get from mere feature size scaling).

      So yes, if we learn better and better concurrent approaches there is a way to dig ourselves out of the power hole

    11. Re:Why do devices need to be cooled? by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      I don't know where you've been, but an abacus's power supply operates a 98.6 degrees.

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    12. Re:Why do devices need to be cooled? by i_am_db · · Score: 1

      I wonder how much heat would be generated by moving the beads in such a way, as to do billions of operations per second!

    13. Re:Why do devices need to be cooled? by khallow · · Score: 1

      IIRC, at rest, people generate 75W of heat. It goes up significantly if they exercise vigorously. My guess is that 200W is for someone who is exerting themselves.

    14. Re:Why do devices need to be cooled? by jbengt · · Score: 1

      You recall almost correctly. Per ASHRAE, for light office work an average adult puts out about 70 to 75 watts of sensible heat - radiation, cunduction, and convection. But they also put out about 60 watts of latent heat - due to the evaporation of water in sweat and breath. IIRC moderate exercise would put out about 200 watts of sensible heat and about 250 watts of latent heat.

    15. Re:Why do devices need to be cooled? by dbrutus · · Score: 1

      Actually, Intel did listen. That's why they're knifing their hot netburst technology several years early and moving to a cooler processor technology. This is also why Apple is moving to Intel processors. It's not that PPC couldn't keep up with the processor race in raw speed but that they weren't going to be able to keep those chips cool enough going forward.

  19. I got a totally impracticable solution right here! by WormholeFiend · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just have the whole data center submerged in an inert solution like the one made by 3M (fluorinert?), and have the workers wear scuba equipment.

    Most. Efficient. Cooling. Evar!

  20. 5th grade science by t0qer · · Score: 1

    I thought hot air rises, cold air falls.

    The article points out that overhead cooling requires additional fans, etc.

    Racks need to be built more like refridgerators. Foamcore/fiberglass insulated with some nice weatherstripping to create a chamber of sorts. Since the system would be near sealed, convection currents from the warm air exaust rising off the servers in the rack would pull cold air down. Cold air goes in through the bottom of the rack, heats up, gets pushed back through the top. This could probably all be done with regular old clothes dryer hosing.

    Fans wouldn't even be needed. Most racks aren't designed to be an airtight system though. Every rack cabinet i've ever worked on was holier than the pope. My experience with raised floors made me think they were purely for running tons of cable without making the ceiling look like a spiders nest.

    1. Re:5th grade science by sirwired · · Score: 1

      Convection isn't going to cut the mustard. That doesn't even work with most PC's much less power-sucking, super-dense servers.

      SirWired

    2. Re:5th grade science by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      computers with convective cooling are a big deal. computers aren't even insulated. an insulated rack full of computers will cause all of those systems to fail in short order, they are simply not designed for the kind of heat you'll have in there. On the other hand, it would allow you to install a cooling fan right there, but I don't think that's the most efficient way to go, by a long shot - which is why they're not doing that already.

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    3. Re:5th grade science by LaCosaNostradamus · · Score: 1

      It makes sense. The floor is at positive pressure, so cold air flows out of it through openings. Each opening under a cabinet tries to fill said cabinet to some level with cold air. Now, the hot components in the cabinet will make the air surrounding them hot, hence rising. The end production (assuming you aren't underpowered with airflow) is that cold air rises within the cabinets, heats up, carries away the heat from the components, and then flows out of the tops ... to eventually be collected and cooled from the AC units in the room (if not actually vented, perhaps in some room designs).

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    4. Re:5th grade science by RicoX9 · · Score: 1

      The main problem with this is that you'll end up with some nice cool servers at the bottom, and burnt up servers at the top.

      Nowadays, you need cold air in FRONT of the rack. All our servers pull air in front, exhaust in back. We have vented panels up front to create a curtain of cold air that they can (more or less) pull in evenly through vented/grill doors.

    5. Re:5th grade science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      decent idea, of course if your cooling unit fails you'd have an oven instead of a fridge. But it would work, you'd need more fans since the holes do allow for air movement, but you'd have the added benifit of holding cool air a bit longer (and the added problem of holding hot air a bit longer when exhaust fans fail)

  21. Are you kidding me? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Regardless of what option works best in your environment, the message remains the same -- for optimal efficiency, direct cooling where it needs to go. "

    This is what the conclusion is? Thanks for the technical opinion and detail in explaining what is best. I just wasted two minutes reading this article so you don't have to. Which is probably slightly longer than it took the author to write this garbage.

  22. Time to invent standardized air-interconnects by G4from128k · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Someone needs to create an air interconnect standard that lets server room designers snap-on cold air supplies onto a standard "air-port" on the box or blade. The port standard would include several sizes to accomodate different airflow needs and distribution form large supply ports to a rack of small ports on servers. A Lego-like portfolio of snap-together port connections, tees, joints, ducts, plenums, etc. would let an IT HVAC guy quickly distribute cold air from a floor, wall or ceiling air supply to a rack of servers.

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    1. Re:Time to invent standardized air-interconnects by jhines · · Score: 2

      I would think that if one had multiple racks, the ventilation could be done in between them, for example sucking the return air out of the middle of a pair of racks, and feeding fresh air in the sides. This could be extended as needed.

      My thinking is a good rack system should have the airflow under control.

    2. Re:Time to invent standardized air-interconnects by evilviper · · Score: 1
      Someone needs to create an air interconnect standard that lets server room designers snap-on cold air supplies onto a standard "air-port" on the box or blade.

      I did... It's called 3" ducting. Pretty much the same stuff that exhausts the hot air from your dryer, but an inch smaller, and available everywhere. Nice round 3" ducting fits nicely around 80mm exhaust fans.

      The standard duct collars are quite easy to adapt to fit to computers. Drill 4 holes in it that line-up with the fan screws, and simply attach it.

      Best thing about it is that almost every adapter you could possibly need is available, cheap, in any hardware store. Anything custom you can easily make with large (3") PVC tubing, a few tools, and pipe glue.

      It would be absolutely perfect if companies would just ship their computers with the collars already attached.
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  23. Re:Air can turn on a dime. by keraneuology · · Score: 1
    But complaining that the air has to "turn 90 degrees" seems a little silly to me. Is there something I'm missing that an expert can clarify here?

    Laminar flow is more efficient at thermal transfer than turbulent flow.

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  24. No Raised Floors? by thebdj · · Score: 2, Interesting

    We had an issue where I once worked because we had so many servers the general server room that many different groups used was no longer adequate for our needs, since we were outgrowing our alotted space. Now instead of building us a new server room with the appropriate cooling (which presumably would have included raised flooring) we got a closet in a new building. This is obviously not much fun for the poor people who worked outside the closet, because the servers made a good deal of noise and even with the door closed were quite distracting.

    Now, we had to get building systems to maximize the air flow from the AC vent in the room to ensure maximum cooling and the temperature on the thermostat was set to the minimum (about 65 F I believe). One day, while trying to do some routine upgrades to the server, I noticed things not going so well. So I logged off the remote connection and made my way to the server room.

    What do I find when I get there? The room temperature is approximately 95 F (the outside room was a normal 72) and the servers are burning up. I check the system logs and guess what, it has been like this four nearly 12 hrs (since sometime in the middle of the night). To make this worse our system administrator was at home for vacation around X-Mas, so of course all sorts of hell was busting loose.

    We wound up getting the room down after the people from building systems managed to get us more AC cooling in the room; however, the point is it was never really enough. Even on a good day it was anywhere from 75 F to 80 F in the room and with nearly a full rack and another one to be moved in there is was never going to be enough. This is what happens though when administrations have apathy when it comes to IT and the needs of the computer systems, particularly servers. Maybe we should bolt servers down and stick them in giant wind tunnels or something...

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    1. Re:No Raised Floors? by rebelcan · · Score: 3, Funny

      Okay, screw this post about putting the servers in a giant tank filled with a coolant. Put the servers in a vertical wind tunnel so you can practice your sky diving while swapping a hard disk!

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  25. Re:Air can turn on a dime. by Iphtashu+Fitz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If something is airtight, putting air in one end will move air out the other end.

    The problem lies with larger datacenter environments. Imagine a room the size of a football field. Along the walls are rows of air conditioners that blow cold air underneath the raised floor. Put a cabinet in the middle of the room and replace the tiles around it with perforated ones and you get a lot of cooling for that cabinet. Now start adding more rows & rows of cabinets along with perforated tiles in front of each of them. Eventually you get to a point where very little cold air makes it to those servers in the middle of the room because it's flowing up through other vents before it can get there. What's the solution? Removing servers in the middle of hotspots & adding more AC? Adding ducting under the floor to direct more air to those hotspots? Not very cheap & effective approaches...

  26. How about water cooling? by etymxris · · Score: 1

    I know it sounds crazy, but if space is really at a premium, some places might want to consider water cooling their racks. Create one long set of tubing and water blocks that snakes through each blade, use a high GPM water pump, and get that radiator right in front of the AC unit. Or create a water resistant radiator/fan setup and put it outside. It might be hotter outside than inside, but it should still be more efficient than an AC since ACs effectively create heat gradients with the help of electricity. I imagine getting the whole setup outside would make it more efficient, though I don't know enough about thermodynamics to be sure.

    1. Re:How about water cooling? by raxx7 · · Score: 2, Informative

      SGI for example has done just that in some configurations.
      Check http://news.com.com/Photos+SGIs+Columbia+supercomp uter/2009-1039_3-5428431-6.html

    2. Re:How about water cooling? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I'm not a expert on this stuff so take this with a grain of salt, but I'd imagine that you would have the following problems:
      1. You would need to pipe the water outside and have an elaborate structure to dissipate the heat stored in the water. While you wouldn't need a Nuclear Plant style cooling tower, I'd imagine that the structure would be elaborate.
      2. Hosting centers are designed to be configurable. You always have new clients putting in new racks, adding new servers, and removing racks. This process would be much more difficult if you had to install and remove water pipes every time this happens.
    3. Re:How about water cooling? by twiddlingbits · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I wouldn't use water but something that if a leak occurs nothing bad happens. Anti-freeze is pretty much inert and transfers heat well. IIRC, some of the Cray supercomputers were water cooled. So I guess that technology belongs to SGI (for now) since they bought Cray.

    4. Re:How about water cooling? by theLOUDroom · · Score: 2, Informative

      I wouldn't use water but something that if a leak occurs nothing bad happens. Anti-freeze is pretty much inert and transfers heat well.

      Water (non-pure... which it will be as soon as it hits your computer) conducts electricity.
      Antifreeze is not better and conducts electricity.

      The liquid you're looking for is fluorinert, but the price is one the order of hundreds of dollars per gallon.
      When you consider the price, you'll see why many people just use water and high-quality plumbing. Why use $500 of flourinert to protect a $500 computer? If your plumbing fails it's still going to overheat, so the tradeoff is really between the cost of the computer times the likelihood of the pipes failing vs the cost of the flourinert and the likelihood of the pipes not failing.

      Since your pipes are more likely to not fail than fail (unless you just totally suck at life), and the flourinert is going to cost more than your computer, it just doesn't make sense.

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    5. Re:How about water cooling? by RandomJoe · · Score: 1

      Just putting a radiator outside won't work when it's hot outside, unless you get evaporation working for you. There are two ways that can be done - either flow your cooling water over a cooling tower (which means you'll then have to add measures to keep the cooling water clean, and trash-free, as well as replacing the water that evaporates) or add a spray pump to spray water on the outside of your sealed radiator.

      Either way, the cooling fan will then cause evaporation to occur, which will lower the temperature of the cooling water. Unless it's extremely humid, you'll be able to get below outside air temp. But you will never get a whole lot below, so don't plan on running a 60 degree F cooling loop when it's 95F outside!

      You would have much better success (although the initial cost is pretty stout) setting up a ground-source loop. Drill a well down, run a loop of PVC piping down the well, and flow your coolant through there. Provided you drill enough wells (I don't know the typical capacity per well right off) you'll be able to keep your coolant supply in the 60F - 70F range without too much trouble. This is what we (at work, I do HVAC control systems) have been putting in for quite a few schools lately. But it can take a LOT of wells, and at least in my area each well of roughly 20-30 ft deep will run you around $2,000.

      AC units create temperature gradient thanks to the properties of refrigerant, specifically the fact that they change temperature drastically when compressed or expanded. That we use electric compressors in most units is only a convenience, they could be gas-driven (such as in a vehicle) or if you really want a workout, hook one up to a stationary bicycle! :) (It better be a SMALL compressor...!)

    6. Re:How about water cooling? by twiddlingbits · · Score: 1

      In either case, you could always buy Insurance for the damage, but you better have a backup data center for a while. Pipes rarely burst unless something was done wrong in the plumbing but can you take the chance?

      Ethylene Gylcol (basic anti-freeze) does conduct electricity (didnt know that) but does Propylene Gylcol? That is actually a better anti-freeze but it is very toxic to animals and is rarely used.

      There must be cheaper options than flourinert that are better than water, say the new environmentally safe "Puron" used in A/C units. I may take some time tomorrow and look into that.

    7. Re:How about water cooling? by Private+Taco · · Score: 1

      This is why we have chillers.

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  27. No problems cooling by zjeah · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We have been using raised flooring in our data center for decades and never had any cooling issues. Granted we have 4 large air handlers for the room but when running a raised floor one must have the proper system in place. Some hardware is designed to get it's air right from the floor and some is not. Our large server racks don't have floor openings so we have vent tiles in the floor on the front side and the servers in turn suck the cool air through. Raised floor is a great place to route cables/power/phones you name it. Just make sure your your air handlers are top notch (audible alarms/water detection/humidity & Temp control).

  28. Re:Air can turn on a dime. by Eryq · · Score: 2, Informative

    Not an expert, but I had some HVAC work done recently in my home.

    The blower moving the air only has a certain amount of power. Hook it up to a duct ten feet long, and output basically equals input. Hook it up to a duct ten *miles* long -- even a perfectly airtight one -- the power you put into one end will be lost by the other end, because the air molecules lose momentum (and gain heat) as they bounce off each other and the walls of the duct.

    Every time a duct turns a right angle, the molecules lose a lot of energy as they largely slam face-on into the duct work. Rounded corners improve the situation, but not perfectly so.

    My HVAC designer said that as a rule of thumb, every right-angle turn in a conventional house duct was the equivalent of adding 10 linear feet, in terms of energy lost to heat.

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  29. Yes, turns by StevenMaurer · · Score: 2, Informative

    The longer the ductwork, the more turns, and the more severe those turns, the more your fans have to work to achieve the same pressure and airflow. This, because of the increased friction in the pipe.

    Now admittedly, friction isn't as important to gasses as it is to other states of matter, but it can have an effect, especially in high flow cooling.

    1. Re:Yes, turns by GungaDan · · Score: 1

      "admittedly, friction isn't as important to gasses as it is to other states of matter"

      It's all theoretical fun and games 'til someone's datacenter queefs. ;-)

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  30. not the best article on the subject by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    For anyone that actually works in a server room this is a very uninformitive article. Also they present the problem, but not any possible solutions.

      Our server room is a room in a former library, and we were still able to make raised flooring work (without many hotspots) by selecting the correct tiles to make grates and sealing others off, then have multiple return registers. Our matching room was disigned as a machine room with hot air on one side, cold on the other of each rack, voila, no hotspots. I belive the keys are positive pressure and correct locations for the grating/returns.

  31. Use Moore's law, stupid by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 1
    it's unlikely a computer room is going to get "too small" unless your company is growing at an astounding rate. Moore's law has been making computers smaller and faster and more power-efficient by several db per year.

    More likely the powers that be have overbought capacity, in order to expand the apparent size and importance of their empire. I've seen several computer rooms that could have been replaced with three laptops and a pocket fan.

    1. Re:Use Moore's law, stupid by Control+Group · · Score: 1

      Or, alternatively, the powers that be don't want to buy all-new hardware every 18 months because Moore's so-called law told them to. Maybe it's often more cost effective to add another server in parallel to the existing ones than to buy new servers, move everything off the old ones onto the new ones, then throw the old servers out.

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    2. Re:Use Moore's law, stupid by gCGBD · · Score: 1

      Systems may be geting smaller, but they are also putting out more heat and using more power. Rarely do I see data centers running out of physical space, instead almost everywhere I've been over the past few years the data centers are running out of power and cooling capacity.

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  32. Thermal Dynamics... by BoraSport · · Score: 2, Informative
    The raised floor has more to do with how heat moves in an environment rather then how you move air through a duct. Most raised floors don't have major ducting under them. In our data centers the raised floor provides a controlled space that we can use to modify temps.

    Heat rises, our original designs back in 2002 for our data center called for overhead cooling using a new gel based radiator system. It would have been a great solution and caused us to go with a lower raised floor, just for cables and bracing. At the time the cost was too extreme to justify the design so we went back to traditional raised floor.

    Tile placement on a raised floor is key, only allowing the cool air to be pushed up in the front of your racks and creating hot rows facing your exhaust ends into the same isle. This way the cool air is pushed up from the floor, pulled in through the rack by the server fans, and exhausted, where it can then rise to a vent.

    To answer the original question, I think that using raised floors for cooling is not the most efficient solution. Top down chillers that address the heat that is rising off the servers would be better. I just don't know that the price of these solutions has reached a balance for the savings. Even with this design you need something to create a cool pad for your racks to sit on. Many times this can just be the concrete slab of the floor.

  33. Re:I wouldn't say they're going to become obsolete by Undertaker43017 · · Score: 2, Informative

    True, but IMO not the best way to handle wiring, overhead runs are much easier and cleaner. Every raised floor environment I have worked in was a mess under the floor and a nightmare to run new cables through.

    If cooling is not a concern, concrete slab with overhead runs is the best way. If cooling is an issue, use raised floor, for cooling only and overhead runs for cables.

  34. Re:Air can turn on a dime. by mikael · · Score: 1

    I used to work in a large building which had air ducts for heating/cooling. Unfortunately, the air pressure wasn't well balanced to compensate for the location of the Sun and office walls (which were added after the office block was built). So people ended up with either freezing cold blasts of air (the North/West sides), or being cooked by the heat of the Sun ( South/East sides). Those in the centre got no natural daylight at all and in those offices at the end of the air duct the air would become stale if the doors were closed.

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  35. Not obsolete. by blastard · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Where I've worked it was primarily for running wires, not cooling. I've also worked in places that have the overhead baskets, and quite frankly, although they are convenient, they are 'tugly. They are great for temporary installations and where stuff gets moved alot, but I'd rather have my critical wires away from places where they can get fiddled with by bored individuals.

    So, no, I don't think they will be obselete any time soon. But hey, I'm an old punchcard guy.

  36. Wow, I never thought of it like that ;) by mslinux · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Some say it isn't practical to expect air to make several ninety-degree turns and actually get to where it's supposed to go."

    I wonder how all those ducts throughtout America (with tons of 90 degree turns) carry air that heats and cools houses and office buildings every day?

    1. Re:Wow, I never thought of it like that ;) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell me about it, one can only wish for a nice long straight duct without turns and splits. Freeman

    2. Re:Wow, I never thought of it like that ;) by lilmouse · · Score: 1

      They use vents to make the air turn. If you'd RTFA, you'd understand that they're talking about air being expected to magically decide that, even though there's lots of spacae in front of it, it'll turn *up*, rise through the ceiling, and then turn sideways in the air to enter the hot case. Bit tricker, that.

      --LWM

    3. Re:Wow, I never thought of it like that ;) by Kazell · · Score: 1

      Question.... Are you the Lilmouse from Aarabela from many years ago? This is Kazell, been searching long and hard for the old lilmouse. Your the only lead I have. Thank you. (xshijimax@hotmail.com email me if you are)

    4. Re:Wow, I never thought of it like that ;) by lilmouse · · Score: 1

      Sorry, never even heard of Aarabela! Don't know of any other lilmice leads, either. Good luck!!

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  37. Yes, It Is The Best Option by Ed+Almos · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm in a data center right now with two rack mounted clusters and three IBM Z series machines plus a load of other kit. Without the raised flooring AND the ventilation systems things would get pretty toasty here but it has to be done right. The clusters are mounted in back to back Compaq network racks which draw air in the front and push it out the back. We therefore have 'cold' isles where the air is fed in through the raised floor and 'hot' isles where the hot air is taken away to help heat the rest of the building.

    The only other option would be water cooling but that's viewed by my bosses as supercomputer territory.

    Ed Almos

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  38. Re:Air can turn on a dime. by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

    They added the Sun after the office block was built? Now that's one old office block!

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  39. Obsolete or not... by GillBates0 · · Score: 2, Informative
    ...make sure you avoid floor zinc plated floor tiles. Few things are as damaging to a computer room as Zinc whiskers or other assorted airborne metal particles.

    Very difficult to track down random machine failures to bad interior decoration choices!

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    1. Re:Obsolete or not... by nocaster · · Score: 0

      I just checked the bottom of some of our floor tiles and they are full of zinc whiskers. I'm going to tell my boss we need to replace all the floor tiles right away. I'm sure he will understand.

    2. Re:Obsolete or not... by nettdata · · Score: 1

      Yep... not just zinc whiskers...

      I had a client that had an old, big-ass Sun dot matrix printer (the kind that are about 4 feet tall, 3 feet wide, and 4 feet deep), and it was in the same room as their multiple 250's and 450's.

      They had some weird motherboard issues, in that they'd just fail, or partially fail, and caused some weird behaviour. The Sun tech was out there at least 4 times a month replacing stuff, and couldn't figure it out.

      We got the Sun tier 1 support guys involved, and spent 3-4 days debugging and poking and prodding, and getting weird, inconsistent results from our testing.

      Eventually, after looking at the boards closely, we could see that they were covered with a fine mist/film. Turns out that the printer would spew out fine paper and ink dust, and it would get sucked into the servers, which would then cause the pieces to overheat and short out.

      We moved the printer out of the server room, and haven't had a problem since.

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    3. Re:Obsolete or not... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Very difficult to track down random machine failures to bad interior decoration choices!

      I once worked in a Data Center where the tiles intended for pedestrian traffic were carpeted, ostensibly to help muffle the noise, but really for looks.

      You can imagine how long the tape drives lasted with carpet fibers being blown every which way.

      What's more astonishing is that some company actually sold these things to Data Centers.

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  40. Wuh? by bsd4me · · Score: 1

    Put a cabinet in the middle of the room and replace the tiles around it with perforated ones and you get a lot of cooling for that cabinet.

    Maybe this is the problem. Every industrial datacenter I have been in places racks over either empty spaces, or tiles with a large vent in them. The rack has fans in it to force air through vertically (bottom to top). A few perforated tiles get scattered about for the humans, but I have been in some datacenters without them to maximize airflow to the racks. But then again, I have worked with electronics that make current CPUs feel like popsicles in comparison.

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    1. Re:Wuh? by Iphtashu+Fitz · · Score: 1

      Every industrial datacenter I have been in places racks over either empty spaces, or tiles with a large vent in them.

      That works to an extent, but what if the cabinet is pretty much fully loaded? We loaded up 8-foot cabinets with 30+ 1U dual CPU servers. The amount of air coming up through the holes underneath the cabinets were never enough to cool all that hardware down. Besides, my original example was just that - an example.

  41. Raised Floors by M4N14C · · Score: 0

    At my office we hide all of our broken hardware under the floor so the boss doesent find it and ask questions.

  42. Re:Air can turn on a dime. by circusboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    it can turn on a dime, but also stay on that dime. poor circulation results. trumpets have nice (if tight) curves, and even building ducts can have redirects inside the otherwise rectangular ducts to minimize trapped airflow in corners. for the most part even those corners are curved to help the stream of air.

    most server rooms aren't part of the duct, for example, the one here is large and rectangular, with enormous vents at either end. not very well designed.

    airflow is a very complicated problem, my old employer had at least three AC engineers on full time staff to work out how to keep the tents cold ( I worked for a circus, hence the nick.) the ducting we had to do in many cases was ridiculous.

    why do you think the apple engineering used to use a cray to work out the air passage through the old macs. just dropping air-conditioning into a hot room isn't going to do jack if the airflow isn't properly designed and tuned. air, like many things, doesn't like to turn 90 degrees, it needs to be steered.

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  43. Raised floors for cooling=bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We worked very closely with Liebert ( http://www.liebert.com/ ) when we recently rennovated our data center for a major project. The traditional CRAC (Computer Room AC) units supplying air through a raised floor is no longer viable for the modern data center. CRAC units are now used as supplemental cooling, and primarily for humidity control. When you have 1024 1U, dual processor servers producing 320 kW of heat in 1000 sq ft of space, an 18 inch raised floor (with all kinds of crap under it) is not adequate to supply the volume of air needed to cool that much heat in so small a space.

    We had intended to use the raised floor to supply air, but Liebert's design analysis gave us a clear indication of why that wasn't going to work. We needed to generate air velocities in excess of 35 MPH under the floor. There were hotspots in the room where negative pressure was created and the air was actually being sucked into the floor rather than being blown out from it. So, we happened to get lucky as Liebert was literally just rolling off the production line their Extreme Density cooling system. The system uses rack mounted heat exchangers (air to refrigerant), each of which can dissipate 8 - 10 kW of heat, and can be tied to a building's chilled water system, or a compressor that can be mounted outside the building.

    This system is extremely efficient as it puts the cooling at the rack, where it is needed most. It's far more efficient than the floor based system, although we still use the floor units to manage the humidity levels in the room. The Liebert system has been a work horse. Our racks are producing between 8 - 9 kW under load and we consistently have temperatures between 80 - 95 F in the hot aisle, and a nice 68 - 70 F in the cold aisles. No major failures in two years (two software related things early on; one bad valve in a rack mounted unit).

    1. Re:Raised floors for cooling=bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Actually, the design work was done for free by Liebert and verified by the consulting engineering firm locally that actually did the design for the rennovations. If the Extreme Density System was not available, the project would have been scrapped and millions of dollars lost. It's not like we were coersed to buy the system, there was no other option for the project's success, none, zip, zero, nada. Unfortunately, your sarcasm has no basis in reality for this case since you were not there and don't have all the facts.

  44. Raised Floor Fun! by bsd4me · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... overhead runs are much easier and cleaner ...

    But it also eliminates the joy of making fun of coworkers who gets lost in a raised floor, or closing them in when they go on a hunt for something...

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    1. Re:Raised Floor Fun! by jwdb · · Score: 3, Funny

      I know a cooling technician who once got lost in a company's ductwork. Crawled around for an hour or two, found a spot where his cell got a bit of reception, and called up someone with a map to guide him out.

      Yikes...

    2. Re:Raised Floor Fun! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      If he did not know where he was at, how in the hell did the person he call know?

      "Make a left at the next tee, grab the bonus health and the chain gun and keep heading toward the light. Shoot out the fan and drop down into the control room from the overhead vent. Duke, can you still hear me?"

    3. Re:Raised Floor Fun! by jwdb · · Score: 1

      Landmarks, my good friend. Find something special, such as one of the fans pushing air through the system or an unusually shaped segment and you can easily pinpoint your location in ducting (I'd assume).

    4. Re:Raised Floor Fun! by m-wielgo · · Score: 1

      And you can't do things like this http://marcin.fastlanehw.com/Junk/ninja_large.wmv -- 12MB video

  45. Airflow and cables not the only reason for raised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If you have a water based cooling system (chillers) and you spring a leak... a nice raised floor with deep side channels will save equipment while you figure out how to shut off the water.

  46. Re:Air can turn on a dime. by djward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I worked for a circus, hence the nick

    I thought I smelled cabbage.

  47. More about bad rack design by Flying+pig · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This seems to be more about bad rack design than raised floors. It's a basic principle of ducting design that, as the airflow spreads out from the source through different paths, the total cross section of the paths should stay roughly constant. (Yes, I am simplifying and I as sure someone can explain this better and in more detail. Yes, duct length and pressure drop is important. But the basic concept is true. If I want consistent airflow in my system, and the inlet is one square metre, the total of all the outlets should be around one square metre too.)

    Standard racks tend completely to ignore this. They rely on the internal modules handling their own airflow with fans, which is fine if the inlet area to the modules is much less than the size of the duct entering the cabinet. But if the total area of the inlets to the modules is more than the incoming duct area, the modules furthest from the duct (i.e. the ones at the top) will be starved of air. 1U servers are inevitably going to worsen the problem because they create a large number of competing inlets, stratified up the cabinet. Sucking air out at the top will only work if the air flow is so great it creates a significant pressure drop across the servers, which leads to noise problems, is inefficient, and may adversely affect local cooling inside the server. Blades are potentially much better because, with fewer modules in the cabinet, each with similar requirements, it should be easier to design a cabinet-wide ducting system. However, the most logical solution is to go back to designing the entire cabinet as an integrated system - in which case the entire base of the cabinet can be the inlet duct opening, with appropriate internal structures and blade design to fulfil the objectives of keeping consistent flow to each blade rack and across each blade.

    It's the old engineering issue - ad hoc design leads to suboptimal results, and systems need to be considered as a whole. Blades are, depending on how you look at it, a step in the right direction or a return to the way things used to be designed when real computers were loads of tight packed boards full of ECL and proper cooling design of the cabinet was essential if the thing was to work at all.

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    1. Re:More about bad rack design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      They rely on the internal modules handling their own airflow with fans, which is fine if the inlet area to the modules is much less than the size of the duct entering the cabinet.
      Or if the fans are temperature controlled so that each module only draws the minimum amount of air it actually needs. A bonus is that once you've done that, it is pretty easy to add early warning and overtemp shutdown features, making cooling problems much less risky.
    2. Re:More about bad rack design by hackstraw · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's a basic principle of ducting design that, as the airflow spreads out from the source through different paths, the total cross section of the paths should stay roughly constant.

      I used to do commercial HVAC work, and everybody in the business does the opposite from what you describe. The ducts are largest near the air handler, and they are smallest at the end of the line. Typically, the main trunk of the duct gets smaller in diameter after each branch comes off of it and goes to a diffuser.

      One issue with raised floors, especially very large ones, is that the "ducting" or the floor is the same diameter across the whole room, and the machines that are furthest from the air handlers get the least cooling. Also, the floor is not (to my knowledge) insulated in any way, so even the air going through it will raise the temperature of the air all along the path.

      But if the total area of the inlets to the modules is more than the incoming duct area, the modules furthest from the duct (i.e. the ones at the top) will be starved of air.

      True to a point. Its also compounded by the fact that cold air sinks and hot air rises. I work with one completely populated rack of 1U machines. They have good airflow through them, there is no real difference in heat inside of the boxes from top to bottom.

      Sucking air out at the top will only work if the air flow is so great it creates a significant pressure drop across the servers, which leads to noise problems, is inefficient, and may adversely affect local cooling inside the server.

      I specifically ordered new tops for our racks with 2 fans in them when we got some hot computers. I don't remember how much it cooled down the racks, but it was like 5 to 10 degrees. These are solid racks with 3 8" fans in the rear as well. They work pretty good.

  48. The other options are as bad or worse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have been in high density server rooms where the number of tons of AC was no more than 10% higher than the amount of heat produced and the rooms could be made to work with careful placement of vents.

    Things can be made better by using overhead returns.

    If you start putting the AC units in the racks you need to pipe chilled water to them (which probably needs a raised floor for the pipes) and you will also lose a large amount of rack space from the AC unit.

    A rack of 40 1u servers will produce 12.8 kw of heat and require around 4 tons of AC to take care of, if you use cold row/hot row and put the vents in the cold rows, and the overhead return intakes over the hot rows it can generally be done without too much trouble. The only other option is to put small chilled water units in each rack and putting less machines per rack, and having lots of piping in the room this would have the problem of also making new rack installs quite a process.

  49. Re:Air can turn on a dime. by TimmyDee · · Score: 1

    Turning air 90 degrees is not silly at all. Anyone in HVAC knows that you lose 25% of your force (air-force?) with every 90 degree turn. Designing an HVAC for a house is a series of trade-offs -- you need to work around the available wall space and the desire to get the most out efficiency of your furnace or air conditioner.

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  50. Re:I got a totally impracticable solution right he by markana · · Score: 2, Funny

    Oxygenate the fluid, and you can even dispense with the scuba gear...

    Going to have to bugdet for towels, though...

  51. Re:Turns? OR What The Gov't Does by waif69 · · Score: 2, Informative

    One the facilities (gov't) that I have meetings at, has a raised floor covering the entire building. Yes, it is one story and you can place a few football fields in it. They have the ventilation in the overheads and the cabling run under the floor. It works nicely for them, and provides a clean appearance for the entire facility.

  52. Asked in February by The+employee+can+cho · · Score: 2

    http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/23/19 56217&tid=164&tid=4

    An Ask Slashdot question was posted back in February about the merits of raising a floor on a budget. Not a dupe, but a complimentary article.

  53. An earlier /. discussion on this topic by xmas2003 · · Score: 1
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  54. Raised flooring is the best. by MikeDawg · · Score: 1

    With a properly designed raised floor setup in a data center, it makes everything so much easier, easier to run cable, easier to identify power, easier to vent air where it needs to go. I never heard of raised flooring being outdated. What are the alternatives to raised floors? Ladders between sets of racks? What a mess. . .

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  55. Directing the air where it needs to go by eltoyoboyo · · Score: 1

    A raised floor with holes under the system racks is one way to get the coolest air where it is needed most. But, thermodynamically speaking, it all comes down to how many joules of heat need to be exchanged. If enough heat flows to a cooler area to keep the operating temperature of the systems within recommended specifications, then it does not really matter if it is done through a raised floor.

    In terms of efficiency, a raised floor may not be as good as direct ducting and feeding past the hottest components in the systems. But it may be the most reasonable and cost effective way to set up an environment.

    Personally, I find that an environment that is good for computers is uncomfortable for humans. Blowing fans and cool air seem to contribute to every cold I get. Coincidence? Probably not since the fans are very good at distributing particulate matter. When liquid cooling comes along, or computers can run at low voltage and amperage, we will be better off.

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  56. Hot & Cold Aisles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
    It's impossible to generalize if a raised floor is 'adequate' for cooling. It depends on too many factors (how high are they, what other wiring is in there etc.).

    The more important factor to maximize the efficiency of your cooling system is to get the heat out and back to the AC before it can mix with the cold air feeding your gear.

    As long as you set up the datacenter with hot aisles (the backs of the rows face each other pushing the hot air into that aisle), and have return air grills directly above this aisle to take the heat back to the AC, you should be able to feed the cool air to the 'cold' aisle from either below or above. Many older data centers that push cold air into the floor just have an AC unit with an open top (no ducting) sucking in 'warm' air from the 'upper part' of the room, but it may be 30-40 feet to the other end of the space, and that's a lot of room for mixing as the hot air makes it's way down to the unit.

    We just completed a small datacanter remodel with supply and returns in the ceiling (our pre-exisiting raised floor is only 6" high and has too many wires for adequate airflow) and it works great. I have 17 racks requiring 12 tons of cooling in a room that is only 25'x25', and they key to the whole thing is the return air grills sucking the hot air out right where it is being expelled by the gear!

  57. Human factors? by snStarter · · Score: 1

    I wonder which solution is easiest on the people who have to maintain wiring and ducting.

    With raised floors you're working DOWN while running your cabling up under a drop ceiling (or not) has people standing on ladders. Even with bad knees I'd rather work closer to the floor if I have to go fishing in the infinite cable harnesses.

  58. Fluid Dynamics by nuggz · · Score: 1

    Yes air can turn on a dime.
    But the harder you make it turn the bigger the pressure drop and it lowers your overall fluid flow.

    90 deg turns are horrible.

    The effects of airflow and pressure change can be very significant. Think of an aircraft in flight for example.

  59. Re:I got a totally impracticable solution right he by LaCosaNostradamus · · Score: 1

    That would make maintenance fun: "Oh oh! Got a blade down! Get the scuba gear! YAAAAHOO!"

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  60. Re:I got a totally impracticable solution right he by PartialInfinity · · Score: 1

    Then all you'll need is a lounge chair and a habachi grill and you've got yourself one kick ass pool party.

  61. Can't push enough air by ka9dgx · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The problem is that power density has gone through the roof. It used to be that a rack of computers was between 2kw and 5kw. Modern blade servers easily push that up to 25kw per rack. You'd have to have 10 feet or more of space below the floor to accomplish cooling with an external source, thus the move to in-rack cooling systems, and the new hot aisle / cold aisle systems.

    Wiring is now usually ABOVE the equipment, and with 10Gigabit copper, you can't just put all of the cables in a bundle any more, you have to be very careful.

    It's a brave new datacenter world. You need some serious engineering these days, guessing just isn't going to do it. Hire the pros, and save your career.

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  62. It's complicated, but basically, yes and no by freeweed · · Score: 4, Informative

    So long as you have positive air pressure under your floor, you'll get *some* effect from your perf tiles. However, as I'm sure some fluid dynamics folks will jump in with, air flow is a HARD problem. Yeah, so you're getting cold air coming up through your perfs. Well, most of them. Some of them are actually pulling air DOWN. Why?

    If you're bored, check out TileFlow. It's an underfloor airflow simulator. You put in your AC units, perf tiles, floor height, baffles, you name it. It will (roughly) work out how many CFM of cold air you're going to see on a given tile. It's near-realtime (takes a second to recalculate when you make changes), so you can quickly add/remove things and see the effect. I spent some time messing with this a couple of years ago, and it's very easy to set up a situation where you have areas in your underfloow with *negative* pressure.

    The article basically summed it up for me:

    McFarlane said raised floors should be at least 18 inches high, and preferably 24 to 30 inches, to hold the necessary cable bundles without impeding the high volumes of air flow. But he also said those levels aren't realistic for buildings that weren't designed with that extra height.

    I'd go with 24 inches MINIMUM, myself. Also, proper cable placement (ie: not just willy-nilly) goes a long way towards helping airflow issues. Like they said though, you don't always have the space.

    Of course, with the introduction of a blade chassis or 4, you suddenly need one HELL of a lot more AC :)

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    1. Re:It's complicated, but basically, yes and no by canuck57 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'd go with 24 inches MINIMUM, myself.

      Not bad, at about 1" per year is typical. Might last a career.

      A layer each for:

      • Serial cables (RS232)
      • Mainframe cables (more layers here than I can count)
      • Thick Ethernet
      • Arcnet
      • Token Ring
      • Thin Ethernet
      • 10BaseT
      • SCSI this that and the next
      • FDDI
      • SSA
      • FC-AL
      • 100BaseT
      • 1000BaseT
      • 10000Base fibre

      Oh, and don't forget power, 2 phase and 3 phase, 240v and 120v. And those silly traceiver boxes and modems.

      Floors end up being garbage pits...

    2. Re:It's complicated, but basically, yes and no by g-san · · Score: 1

      > Floors end up being garbage pits...

      Thats what the rats are for.

  63. How is this a troll?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought it was one of the funnier things I've read all day. I honestly don't understand why it is modded down as Troll. He doesn't claim first post or make any derogatory comments. Is the first post automatically assumed to be a Troll and modded accordingly? That doesn't quite make sense; then again Slashdot "editors" don't actually edit, so I guess it doesn't really matter.

    Good job to the parent; shame to the system.

  64. Cold air sinks by Morinaga · · Score: 1
    I guess I never understood the raised floor as a cooling approach myself. Cold air sinks right back down in to that area anyway. Cool air should be deployed from the top and air intakes should be on the bottom. Right now the design I've seen in most computer rooms is to blow it up from the perferrated flow in to the rack and the in-takes for return air are mounted by the flooring or even in the raised floor itself. Intakes should work like vent systems in modern homes, as close to the ceiling as possible where the warm air is trapped in.

    Then again, a lot of these rooms I've seen have wide open plenum areas as well. These companies get all this expensive security enhancements with combination/card entries, video survelence, digital sign in logs and the ceilings are wide open. Getting back to the subject these wide open celing areas just let in more hot air.

  65. I really hope you dont live near me by HumanCarbonUnit · · Score: 1

    I hope you dont live near me, locusts and other plauge would realy put a damper on my property value.

  66. Raised Flooring should be an SOP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Having worked in several sites with both raised flooring and without, I would prefer raised flooring for the server room every time. For both wire management and for cooling.

    The best use is to have your power distribution run below the floor, to have specific tiles with cut outs to allow cool air to enter the bottom of the racks, and to prevent unexpected disasters like burst water pipes from flooding the room.

    There are A/C units available for server rooms are designed to send cold air out from the bottom into the crawl space, and they should be spec'd to supply far more cooling than is require. And there should be at least one primary and a backup unit too.

    At one site, we had both A/C units fail one night. The temperature inside one of the cabinets containing some of our network switches reach 155' F, according to the temp sensors inside the switches. Fortunately, we only lost one old server that was on the top shelf of one rack. The temperature in the room reached about 140'F (40'x80' or so) within only 3-4 hours. The room housed about 25 servers, a phone switch and a UPS. The only thing that saved the rack mounted servers was the chimney effect of having the air flowing up throught the racks.

    For companies who don't see the value in using something like raised flooring, they have never had to face the prospect of replacing all of their servers if their underpowered A/C supplies fail. For the extra few thousand dollars it costs, it's a worthwhile ounce of prevention. To put things in perspective, the most valuable server in the site I was working in cost almost $250,000. Hate to be the Facilities or IT Manager who had to report the lost of an asset like that.

  67. Zinc Filaments by 1zenerdiode · · Score: 1

    Link to interesting .pdf regarding zinc filamentation in datacenters. Another fun issue for raised floors and/or old datacenters.

  68. Ummm, Bad Design does not equal bad system by amcdiarmid · · Score: 1

    The article seems to question raised floor cooling, and state that it is rarely done right at the same time. To paraphrase: 'Raised floors should be 18", and preferably 24 - 30" to accomidate all the crap that goes down there. But that is not possible in buildings not designed for the raised floor.'

    Raised floor cooling is built around a couple of assumptions: 1)The amount of cold air pumped into the floor will be adiquate for the heat above it, as well as the vent area to be serviced. 2) There will be a way to pump the hot air out of the ceiling. 3) The room will be relatively sealed.

    With a sealed room, Hot air being pulled out of the top, and cold pumped into the correct places below - and a sealed room: Hot air out, cold air in. It is true that the vents near the fan are higher pressure than the ones further away. This just means that since more air will go through, you need fewer of them for equilivant cooling. The key is adiquate AC for the heat, and pumping the heat out to lower the load on the AC (Think 2' or larger exaust fan.).

    As the article points out, you need space for laminer flow of the air past all the crud (Network & Power cables, beer, blow up doll,stun gun, etc..)under the floor. This means that the height of the floor should be near the height of an AC stack (think home low flow AC ~18") after removing 6" of that height from the calculation (think big bundle of wires...).

    In terms of Moores Law, everything but a Hosting site should not need an air floor since it can now be handled by fewer computers. I remember going to Trump Casino's Data Center. Big room (Think Football Field): Raised Floor. They had very few machines and the place was cold as heck -> Why? Because they had replaced all their giant mainframes with new IBM midrange stuff. More processing power & Less heat. Of course they had to replace a crapload of vented flooring, but I digress.

    The Problem with raised flooring is that it is not done correctly (not enough height), or the AC is not upgraded when the heat requirements demand it (too many computers for the thermal load rating of the AC). This is because a) Managment wants raised floor cooling in buildings without the headroom for it, and b) because they want more servers and will be dammed if they think about ancilliaries like AC, they allready did not budget for those damn UPS and Tape backup units...

  69. new ones by xilmaril · · Score: 1

    my hometown got a datacenter a few years ago, and it's all overhead cabling. of course, it's also a converted departement store, so that's natural.

    1. Re:new ones by misleb · · Score: 1

      Why is it "natural?" Did they route the cabling through the cloths racks?

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    2. Re:new ones by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      Why is it "natural?" Did they route the cabling through the cloths racks?

      If you go to a department store, you'll find that all cables are generally routed along the ceiling.

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    3. Re:new ones by yack0 · · Score: 1

      Off the top of my head, I'd suggest that near that data center would be near a place called Hayeks, perhaps the town hall down the block, and just off your town's Main Street, which, by chance, isn't called Main Street. ;) However, if you miss your turn coming down the post office, you'll run into the data center.

      But I could be wrong.

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  70. HVAC concerns by Elfich47 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Heating Ventilation and Air Conditioning (HVAC) design is based upon how air moves through a given pipe or duct.

    When you are designing for a space (such as a room) you design for the shortest amount of ductwork for the greatest amount of distribution. Look up in the ceiling of an office complex sometime and count the number of supply and return diffusers that work to keep your air in reasonable shape. All of the ducts that supply this air are smooth, straight and designed for a minimal amount of losses.

    All air flow is predicated on two imporant points within a given pipe (splits and branching with in the duct work is not covered here): pressure loss within the pipe and how much power you have to move the air. The higher the pressure losses, the more power you need to move the same amount of air. Every corner, turn, rough pipe, longer pipe all contribute to the amount of power needed to push the air through at the rate you need.

    Where am I going with all of this? Well under floor/raised floor systems do not have alot of space under them and it is assumed that the entire space under it is flexible and can be used (ie no impediments or blockages). Ductwork is immobile and does not appreciate being banged around. Most big servers need immense amounts of cooling. A 10"x10" duct is good for roughly 200 CFM of air. That much air is good for 2-3 people (this is rough, since I do not have my HVAC cookbook in front of me.. yes that is what it is called). Servers need large volumes of air and if that ductwork is put under the floor, pray you don't need any cables in that area of the room. Before you ask: Well why don't we just pump the air into the space under the floor and it will get there? Air is like water, it leaves through the easiest method possible. Place a glass on the table and pour water on the table and see if any of the water ends up in the glass. Good chance it ends up spread out on the floor where it was easiest to leak out. Unless air is specifically ducted to exatcly where you want it, it will go anywhere it can (always to the easiest exit).

    Ductwork is a very space consuming item. Main trunks for 2 and three story buildings can be on the order of four to five feet wide and three to four feet high. A server room by itself can require the same amount of cooling as the rest of the floor it is on. (ignoring wet bulb/dry bulb issues, humidity generation and filtering, we are just talking about number of BTUs generated). A good size server room could easily require a seperate trunk line and return to prevent the spreading of heated air throughout the building (some places do actually duct the warm air into the rest of the building during the winter). Allowing this air to return into the common plenum return will place an additional load on the rest of the buildings AC system. Place the server on a seperate HVAC system to prevent overloading the rest of the building's AC system (which is designed on a per square foot basis assuming for a given number of people/computers/lights per square foot if the floor plan does not include a desk plan layout).

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  71. Re:I got a totally impracticable solution right he by rebelcan · · Score: 1

    Not scuba equiment, just a long hose that has one end out of the fluid.

    In any case, I would love to work at such a place, if only to see the reactions on peoples faces when I tell them that I have to go scuba diving to do a disk swap! =D

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  72. Call in the aliens by freeweed · · Score: 4, Funny

    That only works until you have a situation where you need to cut the green wire with the yellow stripe, NOT the black wire with the white stripe, in order to shut down your server before it explodes. That oxygenated fluid is pink, making colour detection damn near impossible.

    Now, if you're willing to host an alien spaceship at the bottom of your datacentre, maybe they could lend a hand...

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    1. Re:Call in the aliens by kensai · · Score: 1

      The internet is now over. You win.

    2. Re:Call in the aliens by markana · · Score: 1

      In *that* case - ask your manager which wire to cut. Then snip the other one...

    3. Re:Call in the aliens by tgd · · Score: 1

      FWIW, he couldn't see the colors because of the glowstick's color, not because of the fluid in his suit.

  73. Raised flooring is useful for several reasons. by slasher999 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Raised flooring is useful for several reasons, moving cool air through a data center is only one of them. While requiring air to make severe turns to get out of the floor isn't optimal, most cabinets and the equipment in those cabinets is engineered with this in mind. Air is generally drawn in through the front of the cabinet and device and warm air blows out the back. Fans in the equipment pull the air in - the air doesn't have to "turn" on its own again (not that is really did in the first place). Warm air then rises after leaving the device where it is normally drawn back into the top of the AC unit.

    Raised flooring also provides significant storage for those large eletrical "whips" where 30A (in most US DCs any how) circuits are terminated as well as a place to hide miles of copper and fiber cable (preferably not too close to the electrical whips). Where else would you put this stuff? With high density switches and servers, we certainly aren't seeing less cable needed in the data centers. Cabinets that used to hold five or six servers now hold 40 or more. Each of these needs power (typically redundant) and network connectivity (again, typically redundant), so we actually have more cables to hide than ever before.

    Cabinets are built with raised flooring in mind. Manufactureres expect your cabling will probably feed up through the floor into the bottom of the cabinet. Sure, there is some space in the top of the cabinets, but nothing like the wide open bottom!

    Anyhow, there you have the ideas of someone who is quickly becoming a dinosaur (again) in the industry.

    1. Re:Raised flooring is useful for several reasons. by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      can't you just put a switch every couple of cabinets and therefore keep the bulk of the cable runs short?

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    2. Re:Raised flooring is useful for several reasons. by Elfich47 · · Score: 1

      Most other systems that you could encounter that use server racks also assume a raised floor system (ie process control equipment). If you are working with process control: all of one type of wiring cabinet is kept together. The outside-process-to-inside controller cabinet is in one area, the inside-to-decision system is seperate, emergency-shutdown is another. Usually for systems like process control there are several different systems that have to be wired seperately. And when you lay your system out for that you want to keep all the same type of equipment together because otherwise it becomes more then a pain in the ass to work on later. For other equipment: the wire has to go to the target. If that room serves the entire floor (or building) then all of the wires will end up in that room at some point. I have usually observed that design of those kinds of rooms happen in this way: lay out the cabinets first, insure fit of the cabinets, check to make sure it is not going to conflict with the architect's design and the weight limit is acceptable to the building. Confirm location of specialized HVAC entry points. Done. Wiring to be fitted in field. but then electricians always install last, they are the most flexible of the trades for fitting. The install order is this: Ductwork, pipes, wires. Electricians always get stuck with fitting around everyone elses patches of the construction process.

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    3. Re:Raised flooring is useful for several reasons. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget that raised flooring is where the IBM technicians hide the spare parts out at the customer so the IBM bosses won't find them.
      Yes, the techs tend to have several million dollars of parts at ready, since they know that the customers get angry when the express deliveries takes a day or two from another continent...

  74. On this planet we obey the Laws of Thermodynamics! by douglips · · Score: 1
    I am waiting for the day where someone invents a computer that doesn't need to be cooled or generate excess heat.

    Think about the lightbulb....A standard 60-watt incadescent bulb generate lots of heat. A better design is something like the LED bulbs that generate the same amount of lumens, with much less power, and more importantly little to no heat.


    I'm waiting for that day too! That way maybe the patent office will finally approve my perpetual motion machine.

    It is not possible to build a computer that puts out zero waste heat. It is also not possible to build an LED light that puts out zero waste heat.

    One further gotcha, the light that the LED emits (or the motion of the air that a fan is blowing) will be converted to heat if kept in a closed room. You can't win. Every watt you are burning in your datacenter will eventually require 1 watt of heat to be flowing out of your datacenter.
  75. Raised Floors Aren't Required by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A similiar article can be found here.
    http://www.infotech.com/ITA/Issues/20051025/Articl es/Eliminate%20Raised%20Floors%20to%20Reduce%20Fac ilities%20Cost.aspx>

  76. Fur Christ's Sake by MightyMartian · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Is this Slashdot or Martha Stewart's website? I mean, is this the most moronic topic. Is Slashdot really stretching this far for something to say? Why not a topic "Do neutral colors in your cubicle help you take the shit that your know-nothing, MBA packing asshole boss shoves at you all the time?"

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    1. Re:Fur Christ's Sake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone needs more pastel tones in theirs...

  77. Have you looked at LED efficiency by grahamsz · · Score: 2, Informative

    Efficiency

    LEDs are certainly better than flashlight bulbs.

    But when a white LED delivers 15-19 lumens per watt, its about the same as a 100W incandescent and five times worse than a fluorescent. LEDs appear bright because they put out a fairly focused beam - not because they put out lots of light.

    1. Re:Have you looked at LED efficiency by AnotherBlackHat · · Score: 1

      LEDs are certainly better than flashlight bulbs.

      But when a white LED delivers 15-19 lumens per watt, its about the same as a 100W incandescent and five times worse than a fluorescent.


      And when a white LED delivers 86 lumens per watt, it's the same as a fluorescent.

      Specifing Seasonic power supplies for all computers is going to do a lot more for most server rooms than redesigning the airflow possible could.
      And while totally heatless computers isn't possible, computers that don't require special cooling because they generate so little heat or because they can run a lot hotter certainly is.

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    2. Re:Have you looked at LED efficiency by grahamsz · · Score: 1

      That's sweet.

      It's amazing how fast that tech is moving.

  78. Bodies ??? what about the booze ? by C0vardeAn0nim0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    i'm more concerned about keeping my booze cool than hiding bodies. the bodies can be dissolved in caustic soda and flushed down the toilet

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    1. Re:Bodies ??? what about the booze ? by friscolr · · Score: 1

      There are already convenient solutions for that problem.

  79. Re:I wouldn't say they're going to become obsolete by brausch · · Score: 1

    We just did this last year. Power goes under the floor, data cables in trays by the ceiling.

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  80. Re:Yes, turns -- Reynolds Number by redelm · · Score: 1
    Yes, it is turns, but not from friction. More from inertia of the flowing gas, aggravated by things like vena contracta and vortex shedding that are worse on sharp turns. If you doubt it, calculate the Reynolds Number -- the ratio of inertial forces to viscous forces.

    Personally, I think raised flors are obsolete in buildings with decently high ceilings. I'm more concerned to duct those heat exhausts away. Human accessways are more than enough for airflow. Raised floors are more for neat cabling which bitter experience has shown is best run in overhead trays.

  81. waves play the trumpet - not air by chocolatetrumpet · · Score: 1

    Lip vibrations play the trumpet. The air is simply the medium through which the vibrations travel.

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  82. Re:Air can turn on a dime. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok, it's pedantic time. Air (or anything else) can't make a true 90 degree turn. Two 45 degree turns, sure, it can make a bank shot just fine. Angle of incidence, people! :)

  83. Re:Air can turn on a dime. by nolife · · Score: 1

    You are right, what goes in must come out in a closed system. Problem though is if the head is high, less goes in then original design may have called for and reduces the flow rate.

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  84. Re:I wouldn't say they're going to become obsolete by ToxicBanjo · · Score: 1

    Really it all depends on the layout of the building and furnishings.
    I installed a 200 client network in a rather old building that had been refurbished and we had no choice but to run our cabling through a raised floor because there was no drop ceiling and the building's owner denied us installing one or cutting the existing structure to run our conduits. So we put in a raised floor and ran our RJ45 through the walk ways between offices and dilbertcubes.
    Adding in more clients will be easy as getting to the conduits is. It's when you run your main trunks under areas that will have funiture or dilbertcubes that you'll have issues. Plan, plan, plan and you'll have no headaches... er at least less headaches, this is still IT afterall!
    As for air flow through a raised floor well... the idea of having problems with air flow at corners has been the bane of residential and commercial ductwork installers since the dawn of time. {smacks forehead in a moronic fashion}

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  85. basic physics by paulsomm · · Score: 1

    Hot air rises, cool air falls. The most efficient use of cooling would be to drop the air over the racks, the vents low from the ceiling so that the hot air would still rise up and be reclaimed.

    Of course, with today's innovations in low-heat components, in-case cooling, and water-cooled racks, a truly efficient datacenter would use more than just under-floor cooling.

  86. Re:I wouldn't say they're going to become obsolete by DJCater · · Score: 1

    Definitely. Lowered ceilings for cooling, raised floors for wiring. Heat rises, so to have the cooling up high makes sense, and wires, well, fall down. Raised floors mean you can have thousands of metres of wires and not see them, trip on them or be able to hang yourself from them. Of course, with both a lowered ceiling and a raised floors, it's only applicable in a workspace for midgets...

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  87. Re:I got a totally impracticable solution right he by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope you mean inert as in conductively inert as well as oxidatively and corrosively inert.

  88. Re:I wouldn't say they're going to become obsolete by cvd6262 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Another big reason for raised floors is to handle wiring.

    or pluming. I'm serious. (An a bit OT)

    When I was at IBM's Cottle Rd. facility, now (mostly) part of Hitachi, they had just finished rebuilding their main magnetoresitive head cleanroom (Taurus). They took the idea from the server techs, and dug out eight feet from under the existing cleanroom (without tearing down the building) and put in a false floor.

    All of the chemicals were stored in tanks under the floor. Pipes ran veritcally, and most spills (unless it was something noxious) wouldn't shut down much of the line. It was a big risk but, if what I hear is correct, people still say it's the best idea they had in a while.

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  89. Re:Air can turn on a dime. by SquadBoy · · Score: 1

    What is this "natural daylight" of which you speak?

    Sounds exotic and danger filled. I'll pass thanks.

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  90. Re:I got a totally impracticable solution right he by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We would of course have to mandate an all-female staff, and that these fine women be most shapely.

  91. Fill the Server Room with Helium by BoRegardless · · Score: 1

    That will dramatically increase cooling and virtually eliminate oxygen based fires.

    Of course the hardware technicians will have to wear self-contained space suits to go into the room, and then those geeky types would then have a perfect way to really avoid the IT boss.

    1. Re:Fill the Server Room with Helium by kahanamoku · · Score: 1

      No, Helium Bad! Us geeks already have a reputation of high pitched nerdy voices! the helium will only make it worse!!!

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  92. Zinc Whiskers by HalWasRight · · Score: 1

    Zinc whiskers are a major hazard of raised floors used for cooling. Little shards of metal are not good for circuit boards.

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  93. So you don't care - who cares? by avronius · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There are a number of slashdot visitors that do actually care about server room issues. The fact that you don't understand the need does not negate it's importance.

    Large organizations rely on server rooms for their computing environment. Having a cobbled environment where the file server is on the 3rd floor, and the application server is in the janitor's closet, etc. is a recipe for disaster. Troubleshooting connectivity issues (among others) can end up costing more than the apparent simplicity of such a design.

    Understanding ways to better cool the space that our servers occupy is important. And being able to do so in a cost effective manner is also important. The organization that I work in has one in-house server room (containing 60 racks of servers), and one 'co-located' server room (containing 72 racks of servers). Heat and power are the two killers. If we experience a 50% power loss (assume that one power grid is knocked out), do we have enough power to run AND cool the server room? If not, what percentage of my gear do I need to shut down in order to prevent overheating, without impacting critical business systems (like payroll).

    If we can find a cheaper / better / more cost effective method for cooling that utilizes less power, or find a way to use the cooling systems that we have in a more efficient manner, is that not worth an article on slashdot?

    IMHO, This is a valid topic.

    1. Re:So you don't care - who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If we can find a cheaper / better / more cost effective method for cooling that utilizes less power, or find a way to use the cooling systems that we have in a more efficient manner, is that not worth an article on slashdot?

      Nope.

    2. Re:So you don't care - who cares? by zyxmaw · · Score: 2, Funny

      In Norway we open the door. Its quite cheap.

    3. Re:So you don't care - who cares? by junster2 · · Score: 1

      Come on, payroll is not all that important.. it just needs to be up once every two weeks.

    4. Re:So you don't care - who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      does not negate it's importance

      "its".

  94. Hell no by Spazmania · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Raised floor cooling was designed back when the computer room held mainframe and telephone switch equipment with vertical boards in 5-7 foot tall cabinets. The tile was holed or removed directly under each cabinet, so cool air flowed up, past the boards and out through the top of the cabinet. It then wandered its way across the ceiling to the air conditioners' intakes and the cycle repeated.

    Telecom switching equipment still uses vertically mounted boards for the most part and still expects to intake air from the bottom and exhaust it out the top. Have any AT&T/Lucent/Avaya equipment in your computer room? Go look.

    Now look at your rack mount computer case. Doesn't matter which one. Does it suck air in at the bottom and exhaust it out at the top? No. No, it doesn't. Most suck air in the front and exhaust it out the back. Some suck it in one side and exhaust it out the other. The bottom is a solid slab of metal which obstructs 100% of any airflow directed at it.

    Gee, how's that going to work?

    Well, the answer is: with some hacks. Now the holed tiles are in front of the cabinet instead of under it. But wait, that basically defeats the purpose of using the raised floor to move air in the first place. Worse, that mild draft of cold air competes with the rampaging hot air blown out of the next row of cabinets. So, for the most part your machines get to suck someone elses hot air!

    So what's the solution? A hot aisle / cold aisle approach. Duct cold air overhead to the even-numbered aisles. Have the front of the machines face that cold aisle in the cabinets to either side. Duct the hot air back from the odd-numbered aisles to the air conditioners. Doesn't matter that the hot aisles are 10-15 degrees hotter than the cold aisles because air from the hot aisles doesn't enter the machines.

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    1. Re:Hell no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Now look at your rack mount computer case. Doesn't matter which one. Does it suck air in at the bottom and exhaust it out at the top? No. No, it doesn't. ... The bottom is a solid slab of metal which obstructs 100% of any airflow directed at it. ... Gee, how's that going to work? ... So what's the solution? A hot aisle / cold aisle approach.
      No, no, no. The obvious solution is to place the servers so they're facing down.
  95. A More Modest Suggestion by erichill · · Score: 1

    Move the computers to a colder place.

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  96. A solution for Canadians by Rac3r5 · · Score: 1

    Well since its cold most of the year, except from May - Aug, here's a solution that would work most of the time.

    Just have a vent that sucks in air from the outside to the bottom of the server room and a vent on the top of the server room that blows out all the hot air.. You probarbly don't even need a fan to circulate the air since the hot air should rise to the top and the cold air should creep to the vent and make the entire room cold...

    1. Re:A solution for Canadians by jbengt · · Score: 1

      won't work due to humidity problems (too much in summer, too little in winter)

  97. Re:Air can turn on a dime. by wooley-one · · Score: 1

    Laminar flow results in poor mixing of the fluid. This lack of mixing will cause the portion of the flow not in contact with the heat source to remain cold. Turbulent flow actually results in better cooling (but it takes more work to move the fluid).

  98. Speaking of flooding... by jupiter_ganymede · · Score: 1

    Many years ago, we moved into a new building where we were able to build a new computer room. A few months after we moved in, a sewage pipe clogged up and sewage started backing up into the computer room. We had water (or liquid at least) rising up under the raised floors to the point where it was starting to get into the power that was down there. I finally had to shut down the whole computer room to prevent it from going poof.

    The maintenance people where able to fix the problem before the water got too high, but we had to have the space under the floors cleaned before we could start up again. That was real fun to explain to the COO.

  99. Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What sort of drugs are you on? Or rather what sort of drugs are you supposed to be on that you are not taking?

  100. But better yet ... by Martix · · Score: 2, Funny

    A place to hide the bosses body and won't stink up the place :P

  101. It depends... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What kind of beer are we talking about?

  102. Re:Air can turn on a dime. by skelly33 · · Score: 1

    "The problem lies with larger datacenter environments. Imagine a room the size of a football field. Along the walls are rows of air conditioners that blow cold air underneath the raised floor. Put a cabinet in the middle of the room and replace the tiles around it with perforated ones and you get a lot of cooling for that cabinet. Now start adding more rows & rows of cabinets along with perforated tiles in front of each of them. Eventually you get to a point where very little cold air makes it to those servers in the middle of the room because it's flowing up through other vents before it can get there."

    Perhaps you're referring to difficulties in retro-fitting, but I work in a data center this size which was purpose-built by Tyco with 24" raised floors and doesn't have a bit of problem moving enough air through the space.

    One of the design considerations that I was intrigued by when I first started working in the place was a layout that included alternating hot & cold rows. Cold rows have perforated tiles and show the front sides of the server machines on both sides of the aisle. This is the "intake" side of a properly built machine, so the floor feeds cool air into the machines. Hot rows has no perf tiles, but instead airhandler inlets above the aisle where the air conditioners draw in the warm exhaust air from all the machines whose rear is facing the aisle on both sides.

    It's actually a strange environment to work in going from hot to cold rows while working on machines, but it seems to work well. The room holds at a steady 60 degrees Fahrenheit despite 40 rows of equipment working hard at reversing the cooling effect.

  103. Retarded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's amazing how some people are so retarded. Raised floors should only be for cables. Not your main source of duct for cooling. Hey guess what? Heat rises. Put return grills above the server and dump the supply from across the room.

    Your not making cold air, your removing the heat!

  104. Re:-1: SPAM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, if someone else made a system that was similar I'd mention them. Since no one does, it makes it kind of hard, doesn't it?

  105. I hate to be the spelling police by arodland · · Score: 1

    but didn't taco misspell "herre" ?

  106. It's the physics, stoopid by zooblethorpe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Note that I'm not calling the parent poster stoopid, but rather the design of forcing cold air through the *floor*. As the parent here notes, cold air falls. This is presumably why most home fridges have the freezer on top.

    I was most surprised to read this article. I've never worked in a data center, but I have worked in semiconductor production cleanrooms, and given the photos I've seen of data centers with the grated flooring, I guess I always assumed the ventilation was handled the same way as in a cleanroom -- new air in from the ceiling, old air whisked away through the floor. (This ensures that any particles, which will naturally fall if heavier than air, will be sucked out of the room.) Note that this is obviously *not* a passive system designed to use convection, but rather an active system using lots of fans.

    While a passive convection system with the cold pulled up from below is a nice theory, you can run into the same problems others have pointed out -- what if the bottom units suck in all the cold air? The top units are left too warm.

    Meanwhile, if you drop cold air from above, sure, the top units might suck a lot of that in -- but any cold air that isn't sucked in will naturally continue to drop relative to warmer air, ensuring that the lower units are not cooked. If you want to be especially careful about it, you could route all the cold air outputs towards the perimeter of the room and put the uptakes in the center of the ceiling to ensure a vortical flow.

    Just my ¥2.

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  107. Re:I got a totally impracticable solution right he by Anti_Climax · · Score: 1

    I'd say use Oil instead, like the guy with the aquarium computer, because it's cheaper than the $1000/L for florinert. But with the current trends for oil that may not hold up long.

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  108. Re:I wouldn't say they're going to become obsolete by nettdata · · Score: 1

    Except for the concrete dust... if you were to use a slab, I'd be sure to coat it with a very robust membrane of some sort.

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  109. It is not just for air flow by pvera · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I spent the first 8 years of my professional life stuck working in NOCs with standard raised flooring, the cooling was just one of the many things it was needed for.

    Examples:

    Wiring: Not everyone likes to use overhead ladders to carry cables around. In the Army we had less than 50% of our wiring overhead, the rest was routed thru channels underneath the raised flooring.

    HVAC Spill protection: Many of our NOCs had huge AC units above the tile level, and these things could leak at any moment. With raised flooring the water will pool at the bottom instead of run over the tiles and cause an accident. We had water sensors installed, so we knew we had a problem as soon as the first drop hit the floor.

    If the natural airflow patterns are not enough for a specific piece of equipment, it does not take a lot to build conducts to guarantee cold air delivery underneath a specific rack unit.

    The one thing I did not like about the raised floors was when some dumbass moron (who did NOT work within a NOC) decided to replace our nice, white, easy to buff tiles, with carpeted tiles. 10 years later and I can't still figure out why the hell would he approve that switch, since our NOC with its white tiles looked fricking gorgeous just by running a buffer and a clean mop thru it. The tiles with carpeting were gray so they darkened our pristine NOC.

    I bet many of the people against raised flooring are land lords that don't want to get stuck with the cost of rebuilding flooring if the new tenant does not need a NOC area. I have been to a NOC in a conventional office suite, they basically crammed all of their racks into what seemed to be a former cubicle island. The air conditioning units were obviously a last-minute addition and it looked like the smallest spill would immediately short the lose power strips on the first row of racks in front of them. Shoddy as hell.

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    1. Re:It is not just for air flow by WhiteDragon · · Score: 1

      we have the carpeted tiles in my datacenter, and the reason is that they are supposedly less prone to generate static electricty. While this doesn't make sense to me, I must say that the tiles are not a pile-type carpet, rather like felt that is permanently bonded to the tile surface.

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  110. Re:I got a totally impracticable solution right he by petermgreen · · Score: 2, Informative

    iirc its very very difficult to breath under even a fairly small depth of liquid unless the air is presurised to match the water pressure

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  111. Puddle storage by boring,+tired · · Score: 1

    Raised flooring is great when the AC drain clogs and the air conditioner starts leaking water. It can be building up down there for days but you'll always stay high and dry! The cables don't seem to mind either.

  112. Re:Raised flooring is an obstacle to progress by ErikFreitag · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I don't think it is a very good idea to hide your cabling, either power or data. Raised floor just becomes a place to hide things and collect dust, and makes it much harder to make changes. I've seen shallow raised floor which could not be re-seated after it was pulled because of the volume of cable underneath. I've also seen a raised floor environment that became a hazard when the Loma Prieta earthquake popped up every fifth tile or so.

    I believe the idea of hiding cable came from early IBM promotional photos that showed a beautiful sea of white tile with an IBM-logoed monolithic rectangular solid standing there in all of its phallic glory. The purchasers, who were not the operators, came to see this as a natural way to install and manage hardware. In my high school days I saw a Sperry Univac 1107 that was not only mounted on raised floor, but actually had components installed in decorative columns that matched the building deco, kind of like a light switch would be in an office -- the whole room became the computer.

    Cabinets also make little sense. Why make it hard to connect, disconnect, mount or dismount your hardware? The telcos have been using open racks since the beginning of time -- a much more efficient way to handle hardware that changes or must be inspected frequently.

    Power and data should run in separate ladder/tray overhead, where it can be seen and pulled, inspected or added to easily. 20A or 30A power outlets installed in the tray (or overhead duct dropped from the ceiling where electrical codes require) make it easy to attach your cabinet (or better, relay rack) power distribution.

  113. It is about the cabling! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In my line of work the whole point of raised flooring is not for use as an HVAC plenum, but for running cables. Having even a 6 inch raised flooring area can really be a godsend when you are constantly rewiring a lab area.

  114. Split/Ductless HVACs? by Thu25245 · · Score: 1

    I've seen these systems used in makeshift or closet "datacenters" where servers (and other heat-producing equipment) were placed into a small space like a closet with nonexistent or inadequate cooling. Essentially, they put the evaporator in the same room as the heat source, with only coolant lines leading out to the condenser. They eliminate the need for a duct system, and they let convection currents do most of the work.

    Vendor 1

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  115. Benchmarking by jay_adelson · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Furthermore, if you speak to the insiders at most of the modern equipment manufacturers, they will tell you that the benchmarking processes are now done on solid, non-raised floor environments. The assumption is tonage of cooling is provided at the intake, which is not located at the bottom of the larger machines, but at the front or back. The hot aisle/cold aisle methodology is still the only viable means for cooling high power density equipment in a large datacenter environment. The only remaining issue is how to get rid of the hot air, and clearly the simplest initial design criteria should be high ceilings (hard to find in datacenters). Outside of that, high velocity air, specially designed air returns, or compartmentalized racks with dedicated air returns are alternatives. In most flow dynamic studies, you find raised floors are riddled with statification, hot air being delivered back into the intakes of other gear, whereas in non-raised hot-aisle/cold-aisle, this problem magically goes away...

  116. A low cost but viable solution... by The_Real_MrRabbit · · Score: 1

    The low cost BUT viable solution I've used...

    All must be done - or no go!!! You can't pick and choose...

    1. Go with concrete floor that is certified SEALED.
    2. Arrange racks in the same row arrangement...i.e., all in parallel.
    3. At each end of the racks - place your coolers - usually 20 tonners...that's where the heat pickup occurs.

    4. Have those coolers dump their recycled air via the ceiling throughout the room.

    The next steps are extremely important...

    5. For every set of entrance/exit doors to the room, there must be a room between those doors and the main corridors outside - i.e., to exit one must exit from the data room through doors into a small adjacent room and then through doors again to the main traffic areas outside.

    6. This buffer room between the data room and the main traffic corridors must have it's own 3-5 ton cooling unit - usually in the ceiling.

    Why?

    1. Sealing concrete floor reduces moisture seepage from the ground...
    2. Parallel rows allow for a air circulation pattern to and from coolers...
    3. Obvious postion for the coolers...they create the cycle and flow...
    4. Obvious...

    5. Creates an air exchange buffer for treated, semi-treated and untreated air.
    6. Pre-cooling of air in the adjacent room before it seeps through the doors into the dataroom itself prevent ice buildup on the coils of your coolers in the data room.

    There's nothing more irritating than having moisture brought in via warm outside air directly creating ice buildup on your coolers. Thus you need a cooled buffer room with it's own moisture removal piping.

    =8-)

    The above design works quite well for a 100 rack / 1000-2000 server room relatively squarish in configuration. Includes EMC/Netapp cabinets...

    =8-)

  117. Almost the right idea by Critical+Facilities · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, you're close. You are correct that the answer lies in a "hot aisle/cold aisle" configuration. The difference is, it works better when the cold air is coming up from below the raised floor tiles.

    Why? You must keep in mind, you're not trying to pump "cold" air in, you're trying to take heat out, and as Mother Nature knows, heat rises. So why not harness the natural convection of heat, allow it to flow up to the ceiling, and have some "perf" ceiling tiles and use the space over the ceiling tiles as your return plenum. Thus, you end up with a positive pressure beneath the raised floor, your heat load in the data room, and your negative pressure over the ceiling tiles leading back to your CRAC units.

    I assure you it works fabulously in our 2 year old data center at a major financial company. The other advantage to raised floor is, you don't have to worry about water being overhead. No one wants a condensor water, chilled water, or glycol pipe bursting over a row of server racks. But, put your power whips in liquid-tite conduit, use cable racks for the CAT5 and there's no problem if you have a leak. The leak detection ropes pick it up and you can contain it before it becomes a problem.

    1. Re:Almost the right idea by Spazmania · · Score: 1

      Excellent points, but you need some pretty tall ceilings to make convection work. Otherwise the cabinets that pull more air through than is coming out of the floor create a circulation loop above the cabinet so that the top machines are sucking on their own hot air. With low ceilings, injecting the air at the top diffuses any circulating hot air.

      In fairness, there is also a big difference between designing a 10,000 foot data center and a 1,000 foot computer room. In a large data center the added underfloor pathway has an intrinsic value of its own as you endeavor to cope with the massive amounts of cabling and piping and ducting that you need. In the small comptuer room its superfluous; you have at most two air conditioners anyway and the flow pattern is trivial. The raised floor with the additional building code requirements and the space consumed by ramps and so forth is a waste of money in the small computer room.

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    2. Re:Almost the right idea by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      That sounds like a good design - do you mind if I ask what kind of CRAC units you're using, since it's working well for you?

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    3. Re:Almost the right idea by Critical+Facilities · · Score: 1

      In that particular data center, we're using Liebert System 3's with the water coils. They get their chilled water from 2 (1 being redundant) Trane chillers.

      Having said that, in a previous incarnation, at a much larger datacenter, we had mostly the standard Liebert System 3's with a few Data-Aire's peppered throughout. I have to say that overall, I've been pretty happy with the Lieberts, they are generally well designed units, and they run forever.

  118. Raised floors were NEVER for airflow by DutchUncle · · Score: 1

    The original concept was always space for wires and PIPES for the water-cooling. People think that fluid-cooling is so new and keen; mainframes of the 1960s were water-cooled because nothing else would do. Refrigeration fluids make things cold enough to crack old-fashioned PC boards, and have more condensation besides.

    1. Re:Raised floors were NEVER for airflow by The_Real_MrRabbit · · Score: 1

      Tell that to people who do... I've seen it...kinda nice...but I agree in a sense that the raised floor is a better placed for long cable runs hidden from view - no appearance of band aids all over the place as is common in many data rooms. I like things, nice, neat, orderly, and easy to trace and fix...raised floor certainly helps. Another nice thing is that assuming cables in a raised floor are suspended somewhat - it makes a great drainage duct in the event of a floor or spill of some kind...assuming an outlet somewhere... A raised floor can be used as a safety and or equipment protection feature... =8-)

  119. Re:Air can turn on a dime. by mikael · · Score: 1

    Yeah, now it's a tourist attraction in Egypt :)

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  120. Re:energy is liberated through blasphemy by SComps · · Score: 1

    well now... so much for light reading.

  121. Re:No Go To Canada by canuck57 · · Score: 1

    and possibly liquid cooling where the radiator is outside the building...

    And move the data centers to Canada where for 7 - 8 months a year cool air is FREE! Think, if you open up a data center in a colder prarie province the incoming air will be so cold it won't mater how many 90% turns it has to make. You could also pump the heat to the rest of the building.

  122. It depends on the equipment the datacentre... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Raised flooring works where the cabinet placed on the hole in the floor is required to be slightly pressurised. A lot of older network equipment cabinets and current closed network equipment cabinets, have no perforations to let air escape and the airflow moves from bottom to top (doesn't matter how the switches/ routers move air about themselves)the hot air always goes out the top.
    Contrast that with modern servers that move air from front to back through the server chassis, in the HP cabinets you must have the perforated / grill front door on the rack to allow the server to pull air through it. You must use the correct type of cabinet for the servers it's specified by HP.

    Some big-iron servers / Suns and whatnot require airflow from the bottom of the server (as it is in it's own chassis / cabinet) and this is where having a raised / pressurised floor system is required.

  123. quite the contrary by Brigadier · · Score: 1



    air can turn corners but with each corner there is additional friction, and heat. Not to mention noise. Two many corners equal wasted energy. I work with mechanical engineers all day, trust me they hate corners especially 90 degree ones

  124. 5th grade science is not enough by dbIII · · Score: 1
    Racks need to be built more like refridgerators. Foamcore/fiberglass insulated with some nice weatherstripping to create a chamber of sorts. Since the system would be near sealed, convection currents from the warm air exaust rising off the servers in the rack would pull cold air down.
    There are three ways heat moves, conduction, convection and radiation.

    Conduction moves a lot of heat, which is why copper or aluminium heatsinks are attached to hot components. Insulation as described above is there to slow down conduction, so is not what you want when the air outside of the box is likely to be cooler than some of the air inside of the box.

    Heat transfer by convection depends on surface area, fluid velocity and the temperature difference between the surface and the fluid. This is why heatsinks have big fins and fans. Hot air will rise if it has somewhere to go (it may have trouble getting out of a case) and cool air will come in, but in a lot of cases this isn't enough so you need to force the airflow. A rack with no fans inside any components would generally act as a chimney - cold air in the bottom and hot air out the top.

    If you can pump a lot of dry cold air in the bottom and exhaust hot air out the top it may make sense to insulate the rack and have it as effectively a mininture server room, but with a minor airconditioning failure you would have an oven, which is one reason rack cabinets are rarely sealed and are not insulated.

    Each time you send air around a tight corner you lose velocity, and thus can shift less heat from convection. Dead spots where air pools only give you small amounts of heat transfer as you have to heat and expand the air before you can get cooler air coming in, and unless you have surfaces at very different temperatures you can ignore heat loss from radiation completely.

  125. Re:On this planet we obey the Laws of Thermodynami by khallow · · Score: 1
    One further gotcha, the light that the LED emits (or the motion of the air that a fan is blowing) will be converted to heat if kept in a closed room. You can't win. Every watt you are burning in your datacenter will eventually require 1 watt of heat to be flowing out of your datacenter.

    OTOH, LED bulbs are very efficient. I think even flourescents run at 40% efficiency compared to a perfectly efficient visible light source.

    Computers are nowhere near perfect efficiency. If they were, then the primary power consumption would be in state changes rather than (as I understand it) internal resistance. Obviously, less power consumed means less heat that has to get transfered out. You can win in that you have less heat to dissipate.

  126. Re:Turns? OR What The Gov't Does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and allows the spys to crawl from one end of the building to the other.

  127. It's complicated, but do your fluid dynamics by lcarstensen · · Score: 2, Informative

    TileFlow is excellent for most conventional datacenters and has served us well. Best practice in a conventional datacenter is to use TileFlow to ensure positive pressure and appropriate distribution (don't forget to model all your underfloor blockages), set up cold rows and hot rows, and then use a drop ceiling as a plenum with strategically located grates to pull the hot air back into your CRAC units. The only problem, as others have pointed out, is that it's only a 2D model presently and you really need to start modelling your load in 3D when you get past around 12kW/rack.

    We've speculated that if we were to start all over again we'd skip the raised floor and do a bi-level drop ceiling with one level being cold air distribution to cold rows and the other level being the hot air return. Let cold air fall and warm air rise, and augment it all with XDO's from Liebert.

  128. Use the foce(d air), Luke... by ncrypted · · Score: 1

    I guess I really missed the train on this one as far a karma points are concerned, but here it goes, anyway.

    In the current data center design paradigms that I have seen, the raised floor is about as useful as tits on a boar pig. Most of the data centers I have seen have consisted of a raised floor topped by a server rack that is either sealed at the top for security, or open to the room as a whole for cooling. The whole mess being punctuated by overhead cable racks whose sole purpose is to cause contusions and the rapid ejection of expletives from the over-tall. The net result is a server room that is too eff-ing cold for the average human to tolerate, while being only partially effective in its' intended design purpose.

    However, The raised floor can be useful if the design is correctly laid out. Use the principles of "Naval Damage Control and Firefighting" your advantage.

    After seeing how airflow is controlled on ships at sea, you will come to understand that the proper design is to have a positive pressure ventilation system under the raised floor, and a negative pressure ventilation system in the overhead. (ceiling, above the drop tiles, whatever you land lubbers call that stuff over your collective, office-bound heads.) The raised floor should be joined to the overhead by a simple ducting system consisting of sealing the top of the server rack to the ceiling using whatever is available (sheet metal, cardboard, left-over swag from E3 1996 or Sci-fi-con-whatever-1992). This way, the cooled air from the chillers can be forced under the floor, through the racks, and up into the overhead where it is exhausted. Hell, if you're an efficiency freak, use the exhausted server air the A/C source for the human occupied portions of the data center. A constant flow of 50-degree air makes 'puters happy, and it makes CBLFs shiver. The "too many corners in a raised floor" thing is a red herring.

    Although an ornately designed under-floor ducting system can and will lead to un necessary inefficiencies in the cooling of server racks, by using the KISS principle (keep it simple, stupid), the same basic logic that works on every commercial transport, pleasure craft, or military ship in the world can work in a server room too. Two simple plenum spaces connected by the duct of the server rack is in fact, the MOST efficient way to cool a room full of number-crunching toaster ovens.

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  129. Re:Air can turn on a dime. by Hymer · · Score: 1

    I've just worked for a couple of days in a server room like that... wich used to house mainframes, enormous room btw. more than 1000 m... It is now totally rebuild and used for "normal" racks. They don't put the AC units along the walls anymore, they put them in every row of racks. There is something like 10 tiles (6 m) max. between AC units.

  130. The solution by VincenzoRomano · · Score: 1

    The solution could be quantum computers
    They should be less power hungry and less power means (also) less heat.

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  131. Re:Air can turn on a dime. by evilviper · · Score: 1
    Eventually you get to a point where very little cold air makes it to those servers in the middle of the room because it's flowing up through other vents before it can get there. What's the solution?

    The solution, IMHO, is to have a much more powerful fan pushing that air around. You don't really need more AC, just more pressure...

    Alternatively, you can make the vents in the middle much larger than the rest to compensate.
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  132. yes, but... by RMH101 · · Score: 2

    that'd apply if you're forcing air into a pipe and watching it come out of the other end. the issue is that if you're forcing air into, say, an underfloor system that's full of different shapes, air passages, etc that the airflow will tend to the path of least resistance, and you'll get less airflow in pockets, which might cause problems.

  133. No Raised Floors!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Raised flooring systems were designed to accommodate the environmental requirements of mainframe computer technology in the 1960s. The technology of the time required large copper I/O cabling interconnecting the cabinets, hardwired power cables, a glycerin cooling infrastructure, and bottom-to-top airflow.

    Although environmental requirements for the technology installed in server rooms changed, the perceived need for raised flooring systems remained. Modern server room technology utilizes small flexible interconnecting cabling, standard 120V power cabling, and forced front-to-back airflow. In today's server environment, raised flooring systems have simply become an excuse to adopt poor cable management and hide the cabling mess.

    An argument for the continued use of raised flooring systems is the delivery of chilled air. However, raised flooring is not a good air delivery system, since the entire floor cavity must have positive pressure to act as an efficient distribution plenum. Flooring systems cannot be adequately sealed for this process to work efficiently and, in real-world IT operational activities, floor tiles are removed or relocated for extended periods of time. Furthermore, most of today's server technology benefits from a front-to-back airflow, which is counter to the airflow delivered by a raised flooring system.

    The efficiency of overhead ducting of chilled air is far more likely to deliver air where it is needed in modern server rooms, all at a reduced cost.

  134. Carpeted tiles? by Alderin1 · · Score: 1

    The one thing I did not like about the raised floors was when some dumbass moron (who did NOT work within a NOC) decided to replace our nice, white, easy to buff tiles, with carpeted tiles. 10 years later and I can't still figure out why the hell would he approve that switch, since our NOC with its white tiles looked fricking gorgeous just by running a buffer and a clean mop thru it. The tiles with carpeting were gray so they darkened our pristine NOC.

    Very odd. In the (brief) time I worked in a raised floor NOC in the Marines, the only access we had below the raised floor was with suction based handles that you pumped with your thumb to lift a tile. I can't quite imagine a more functional and efficient method that could be used for carpeted tiles. I doubt velcro or an equivalent would be much use for any extended period of time.

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    1. Re:Carpeted tiles? by toddmori · · Score: 1
      Very odd. In the (brief) time I worked in a raised floor NOC in the Marines, the only access we had below the raised floor was with suction based handles that you pumped with your thumb to lift a tile. I can't quite imagine a more functional and efficient method that could be used for carpeted tiles. I doubt velcro or an equivalent would be much use for any extended period of time.

      actually, it looks like a suction cup tile puller, but it has 2 flat pads, and spring loaded spikes angled in that release when you pull the inner handle

    2. Re:Carpeted tiles? by Alderin1 · · Score: 1

      Carpeted tiles still seem a bit low on the longevity scale, and practicality scale to me, but then I bought a house that the previous occupants had tile carpet put into the kitchen and bathrooms, which just totally boggled my mind and I am in the process of tearing it out and replacing it with nice, easy-to-clean vinyl flooring.

      Wall-to-wall carpeted bathrooms... egad!

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  135. Re:I got a totally impracticable solution right he by merlin_jim · · Score: 1

    flourinert is several hundred dollars per liter...

    I saw (online) someone once try to liquid nitrogen cool with flourinert. They hollowed out a cooler, set the computer in, put in a passive heat exchanger...

    Worked great until they realised that at liquid nitrogen temperatures flourinert gets so viscuous it becomes a gel.

    At $500 for the amount they used, this was a fairly expensive lesson to learn hahaha.

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  136. Raised floor = flexibility = future-proofing by Medievalist · · Score: 1
    With computers being designed as they are now, the raised floor no longer makes sense
    I disagree (disclaimer: I'm sitting over one right now).

    Our building was designed principally by telecommunications and IS professionals about seven years ago. We had a real architect for legal compliance, but he was nearly constantly baffled by our requirements. It has a large raised floor area, about 70 by 35 feet.

    Originally, there were bus & tag cables (about as thick as a fat man's thumb) under the floor as well as flood sensors and huge power lines for feeding the mainframe peripherals. The under-floor plenum is pressurized with filtered air so that cooling can be supplied anywhere in the room by simply replacing or re-orienting floor tiles.

    We were only planning to run the mainframe until about 2001, and that worked out according to plan. Today, in the space where the mainframe's many refrigerator-sized boxes once stood, we have racks of 2u and 4u servers. We still have the flood sensors, mainframe-class UPS, and pressurized plenum. We also have strategically placed drag lines so we can pull new wires from various useful places without lifting more than two tiles at a time.

    In the Real World [tm] the vast quantity of cat six cable required to give us mainframe-class reliability with commodity hardware is larger in both volume and mass than the mainframe cables ever were.

    Unless you are going wireless, or you have a 1960s era computing infrastructure (25-pin RS232 anyone?) the number of wire runs required to serve x number of desks does not decrease significantly when you change server technologies. In fact, given that new installations typically use all home runs of twisted-pair ethernet, the amount of wiring will typically increase over that required for old-school etherhose (10b5) or coax/twinax/LAT dumb terminal infrastructures.

    Trust me on this one, I've been building computer infrastructure since 20 mA loop days! :^) The classic raised-floor computer center is designed for constantly changing technology, and thus is very desireable - if you can afford to do it right.
  137. Re:No Go To Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The zero humidity from the winter air would cause such horrendous static electricity that the machines would most likely be dead in no time. Humidifiers are your friend when cooling a DC with outside air.

  138. Re:No Go To Canada by jbengt · · Score: 1

    Using the cold of outside is not uncommon. Doing this by dumping unconditioned outside air into the space is. An Air-to-Antifreeze heat exchanger ("dry cooler") is used outside and the cooled antifreezse is pumped to the inside to do the cooling.
    Evaporative humidification is another way of getting "free" cooling.

  139. Blade Servers need to design for airflow in racks by billstewart · · Score: 1
    Sure, it's an obvious thing, but enough blade servers are going to be used in racks in server rooms that anything smaller than a half-high-rack need to be built on the assumption that it's sharing its cooling with other servers. Blade servers are already annoying enough to data center power designers, who had enough trouble with stacks of 1U servers, but especially the small 3U-10U space heater systems need to be coolable. And obviously just pulling in cold air from the bottom and pushing it out the top as hot air to cook the equipment above it doesn't cut it :-)

    1U servers also have this kind of problem, and it's not clear to me that there's an obvious solution, other than perhaps building a cooling system that with a bunch of 1U or half-U slabs cooled by heat-pipe or chilled water that blow air into the box above them, which would be complex and a big hassle.

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  140. Freestanding AC / Winechiller by billstewart · · Score: 1
    My lab has a medium-sized AC unit bolted into the ceiling, plus building HVAC, but it periodically chokes and dies. At least one time they put a freestanding AC unit for a couple of months, an ugly 4-foot-high thing fed by hoses from the ceiling with a couple of big holes in the front.

    During the years that was going on, we had a guy in our sales group who was a wine expert and also part of a small winery with some friends, and we'd have ~weekly wine-tasting sessions in the evening after work with whatever he'd found that was interesting that week. (Had to be more than one bottle - "Two or more bottles means you're doing a tasting - one bottle is just drinking.") So when we got the ugly AC box in my lab, it was obvious that we ought to do white wine one week - the holes in the front were just about right for two bottles.

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    Bill Stewart
    New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
  141. Re:Air can turn on a dime. by jbengt · · Score: 1

    Some planning is in order for football field-sized datacenters.
    Distribute your AC units throughout the space in the first place.

  142. Re:Air can turn on a dime. by pipingguy · · Score: 1


    Apparently, fluid dynamics and thermodynamics are not very well understood around here if you had to make that post.

  143. Busch Gardens.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My good friend who is also an audio engineer at Busch Gardens, Tampa, FL gets a couple of cases of free beer every week by his employer.

    He said years ago they used to be able to actually drink on the job, but apparently they ran into some liability issues with that one.

  144. Studio HVAC by SonicSpike · · Score: 1

    I'll never forget going to my community college in Orlando when they were starting their recording program.

    They moved us from room to room because of our noise (we recorded a lot of metal) and we were next to a computer lab for a few months. They hadn't found a suitable place to set up a permanent studio for the program yet.

    Well, to record we had to shut off the HVAC/AC so that the rumble wouldn't raise the noise floor of the recording. Needless to say, the computer lab people next door were PISSED every time we felt the need to lay down tracks!

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