In general people can be extridited as long as the crime for which they are requested is a crim in both countries involved.
Of course each country put exceptions (i.e. most civilized countries will not extradite anybody to a country where the alleged crime could carry the death penalty).
Tens of people actually die trying to make the crossing. Not worth doing such feat only to avoid the passport hassle, isn't it?
This situation prevails because the US behaves on its typical hypocratical fashion. Mexicans go the the US because there is work, very often the people that decry the Mexican invasion on the other hand hire illegal workers in order to save a buck.
Your spinless politicians are making as much political gain as possible pandering to racists and xenophobes when they well know that if they were serious about closing the border (the USSR could handle a much bigger border, how comest the US can't?) the economy of a good part of the southern US states would colapse (which is why they don't do it.
Politicians that would be concerned about the situation would be trying to make fair immigration laws to allow enough legal immigration to provide man power for those jobs USians clearly do not want to do.
As the grandson of a Mexican that died crossing to the US (his unspeakable crim: trying to better himslef and his family) I resent strongly people making fun of such tragic situation.
i.e. all the owned Windows machines that are used to send the spam?
No. We remain as vulnerable as before, MS is going to pass the bill of their lawyers to the people foolish enough to buy stuff from them for the "favour" (ok, wake me up when we see the dent in their profits due to litigation costs).
So instead of providing a technical solution to the problem (like sitting down in a comitee to create a new, secure, email standard) they fo in SCO mode (i.e. legal battling).
Give all the kudos you wish. The problem is still there, MS is wasting its money, the bill will be duly passed to MS customers.
Given Sony's recent history fumbling it when it comes to gadgetry, I think most opinions are wholly justified.
Obivously you did not have the displeasure of dealing with Sony's first digital music players. Or the disappointment of using a Sony MiniDisc player just to be confronted by its limitations.
The company that invented the VCR and the Walkman should have known better.
With the negotiation and social skills of the geeks and their business accumen (did you sleep through the dot bomb fiasco or what?) we should be grateful that there were companies that did not allow the geeks to take over, otherwise we would all be unemployed.
Those people earn high salaries for a reason: they enable business to function. History is full of techies with great ideas but lousy social and marketing skills. They would have been lost without the help of people that you deride so freely.
Yes? The team has rules, don't deride them, they are there for a reason (not all of them necessarily practical from a purely technical or professional point of view).
No? Then get out of the team, find a team you are comfortable with.
Honestly, techie types fit the stereotype of social ineptitude so neatly (trying to hide behind the "I bring the millions, I am the little misappreciated star" pseudo moral high ground) that is actually surprising that their non techie colleagues don't hate them more than they do.
Like if hanging out with nerdy types did not include a good amount of "brown nosing". And buzzwords? Amongst techies? No way, we 4r3 33lite, whe us no bu55word5 you xuqor.
Nothing worst than social ineptitude with an attitude.
-All gov't employees (users) have to learn to use a new desktop. For some people that aren't really computer literate, it already took years to be functionnal and learn to do the basic stuff. Take that away from them? You'll decrease productivity by a LOT, and you'll have a lot of training costs.
As opossed to training employees for new incarnations of Windows? Do you truly believe that if training is provided (big if in the state sector, specially in Latinamerica) it will matter if it is to teach Longhorn (whenever...) or a properly customized version of Linux?
Linux can be tailored to resemble your current desktop, with a little imagination you could go as far as to start WIndows applications by clicking icons in your Linux desktop if necessary.
So no, training frankly is not a problem, productivity would not decrease or at worst it would decrease as much as it would once a new version of Windows is introduced. So nothing lost here.
-All the in house applications. Just about every desktop (or employee) makes use of in-house software, and a lot of our corporate apps runs only in windows. Port all our in-house built apps? Replace all them big corporate apps? That's far too time/money consuming to even be considered. Best case scenario, users would have to login to remote servers (citrix or such) or something along those lines. 99%+ of our intranet is ASP/ASP.Net pages too (using SQL server too)... This alone is a good reason to stick to windows
You gave the answer after which, ashamed of your astroturfing self, looked for an excuse to justify your IT master.
VNC.
Next.
-Management. I'm no linux guru, so there might be (very good) alternatives to do this with linux, but I'm not 100% sure. Everything across country is monitored by a central NOC 24/7 easily. We have Active Directory, SMS, VBScript/WMI and a whole lot of other mangement/scripting/automation/(...) options. Again, not too sure of what linux has to offer here... Sure thing is, you just can't take away all our tools, you'd definately have to have equivalents.
There are some equivalents out there which are FLOSS, otherwise the most important providers for this kind of software (BMC Patrol, Tivoli) support Linux.
So sorry, but no cigar.
-Exchange-like calendaring and everything else (shared mailboxes, boardroom booking,... the whole 9 yards). AFAIK, there is no real replacement (I very well may be wrong). Add to that the tons of ms office (proprietary) format documents... Using an office suite that may open most of your word & excel files isn't good enough here, you pretty much need 100% support. Again, that point alone is also a big factor making the gov't stick to windows...
This is all so intriguing. You as a client, as a user of software, are raising your request by referencing a particular vendor's implementation of an application. It looks like you went to MS, took a list of their product's specs, and included it in your request proposal.
Which is perfectly fine if you want to do that with your company (not sure if you would get away with such way of getting providers).
In a goverment dependency that approach would land your ass in jail (or it should).
But lets assume you need MS stuff. You have Citrix or VNC. Access them for your calendaring needs until a good replacement exists. Heck, pay MS to write that replacement for Linux. Even better, expropriate the code for goverment use in the name of national security (I am only half jocking here).
As for the formats, what is your objective: to safeguard your dependency's information or to subsidize MS?
File formats is the lamest excuse. New documents should be created with the new tools, for old documents you can have legacy machines (with Citrix or VNC, as suggested by yourself) where you can access them (and a team of state paid workers, could for once do something useful in converting the old documents to open formats).
As for sharing the documents, you are the goverment, right? You say how other entities share documents with you, not the other way around.
Computers and software have got away for far too long with shoddy design practices. "iti is good enough" has been the mantra of this industry for far too long.
I have got a life. I don't have time to download and inztall the firewall, the antivirus, a new browser, a new email program (you don't use Outlook I hope).
I bought a computer. it is suppossed to be fit for its purposes. Why it is not?
When a certain item was new it was OK to demand more involvement of the final users since the technology was not fully understood.
Now the computing industry is a mature industry, the end user should not need to be policing his machine, the manufacturers should provide the necessary tools to ensure the machine is safe to use.
That is why I like Linux. Install and ready to go, firewall configured, viruses unlikely.
What you are requesting is that people continue their masochist relationship with their tool. Sorry, but I don't buy it.
I see lack of choice (i.e, Windows, MacOS) as lack of progress.
I see freedom to choose amongst many alternative as progress.
The original poster was right. You don;t like what you see then get what you need or contribute towards what you would like to see (whining does not count as a contribution, hunting bugs, participating in development forums, adopting one application and helping to steer it in the correct direction, etc is what is needed. People whining for Windows or MacOS like functionality just don't understand the philosophy of Linux and GPLed software...).
It says "we Gnomeites don't care or have not got time for the pesky end users".
There. even if it is something you are giving away under the GPL, quality issues will hunt you and will hamper your aims: to have as many developpers and testers as possible.
The great parent poster is still correct. No matter how much you trust your intuition, lighting your wallet of.25 Kilo US$ for 1 minute of play is impulse buying of the worst class.
An adult buyer will check carefully that such expense is justified, but of course many companies count on mindless teenagers (or people behaving like such) in order to keep peddling their wares.
MS, yet again, uses dirty, no, immoral tricks, but, hey, to criticize that is not because MS deserves the criticism, but because it make us look cool in Slashdot.
You should for one moment pause and think that radio may be much better in other places where people may benefit from a music player with radio reception capabilities.
Slashdot Mirror
MS, the US telecomms, the steel monopolies of the 19th century, all of them are figments of our imagination.
Whould would have known that our imagination was a pinko-anarchist-left-liberal entity?
YOu would not want to keep bozos fighting vendettas against sovereing legal systems with your money.
I concur with the previous poster, the board would be fired, and this reason is exactly why his is not going to happen.
US to MS: "what the fuck are you thinking??? Who and comply now, otherwise you will be in your own. I need not trade war with Europe you dumb a@@!"
In general people can be extridited as long as the crime for which they are requested is a crim in both countries involved.
Of course each country put exceptions (i.e. most civilized countries will not extradite anybody to a country where the alleged crime could carry the death penalty).
Tens of people actually die trying to make the crossing. Not worth doing such feat only to avoid the passport hassle, isn't it?
This situation prevails because the US behaves on its typical hypocratical fashion. Mexicans go the the US because there is work, very often the people that decry the Mexican invasion on the other hand hire illegal workers in order to save a buck.
Your spinless politicians are making as much political gain as possible pandering to racists and xenophobes when they well know that if they were serious about closing the border (the USSR could handle a much bigger border, how comest the US can't?) the economy of a good part of the southern US states would colapse (which is why they don't do it.
Politicians that would be concerned about the situation would be trying to make fair immigration laws to allow enough legal immigration to provide man power for those jobs USians clearly do not want to do.
As the grandson of a Mexican that died crossing to the US (his unspeakable crim: trying to better himslef and his family) I resent strongly people making fun of such tragic situation.
i.e. all the owned Windows machines that are used to send the spam?
No. We remain as vulnerable as before, MS is going to pass the bill of their lawyers to the people foolish enough to buy stuff from them for the "favour" (ok, wake me up when we see the dent in their profits due to litigation costs).
So instead of providing a technical solution to the problem (like sitting down in a comitee to create a new, secure, email standard) they fo in SCO mode (i.e. legal battling).
Give all the kudos you wish. The problem is still there, MS is wasting its money, the bill will be duly passed to MS customers.
Nobody is whining, everybopdy is speculating.
Given Sony's recent history fumbling it when it comes to gadgetry, I think most opinions are wholly justified.
Obivously you did not have the displeasure of dealing with Sony's first digital music players. Or the disappointment of using a Sony MiniDisc player just to be confronted by its limitations.
The company that invented the VCR and the Walkman should have known better.
Deriding people that do useful tasks.
With the negotiation and social skills of the geeks and their business accumen (did you sleep through the dot bomb fiasco or what?) we should be grateful that there were companies that did not allow the geeks to take over, otherwise we would all be unemployed.
Those people earn high salaries for a reason: they enable business to function. History is full of techies with great ideas but lousy social and marketing skills. They would have been lost without the help of people that you deride so freely.
I will suggest the same.
NY next week, Mumbai after that, Warsow, Prague, Barcelona!
That boss of you was a genius.
There are many other jobs with unsocial hours that have no aura of sanctitude around them.
Your work schedule or availability does not say anything about the importance of your job, the context does.
Napoleon, Hitler, Churchill.
Enough said.
Do you want to be part of the team or not?
Yes? The team has rules, don't deride them, they are there for a reason (not all of them necessarily practical from a purely technical or professional point of view).
No? Then get out of the team, find a team you are comfortable with.
Honestly, techie types fit the stereotype of social ineptitude so neatly (trying to hide behind the "I bring the millions, I am the little misappreciated star" pseudo moral high ground) that is actually surprising that their non techie colleagues don't hate them more than they do.
Like if hanging out with nerdy types did not include a good amount of "brown nosing". And buzzwords? Amongst techies? No way, we 4r3 33lite, whe us no bu55word5 you xuqor.
Nothing worst than social ineptitude with an attitude.
I think it is not obvious anymore. What was this all about?
Cost and ideology.
And the fitness of US's IT industry. Monopolies deter competition and for extension, innovation.
... you don't steal it.
You infringe on the copyright of the copyright holder.
-All gov't employees (users) have to learn to use a new desktop. For some people that aren't really computer literate, it already took years to be functionnal and learn to do the basic stuff. Take that away from them? You'll decrease productivity by a LOT, and you'll have a lot of training costs.
... the whole 9 yards). AFAIK, there is no real replacement (I very well may be wrong). Add to that the tons of ms office (proprietary) format documents... Using an office suite that may open most of your word & excel files isn't good enough here, you pretty much need 100% support. Again, that point alone is also a big factor making the gov't stick to windows...
As opossed to training employees for new incarnations of Windows? Do you truly believe that if training is provided (big if in the state sector, specially in Latinamerica) it will matter if it is to teach Longhorn (whenever...) or a properly customized version of Linux?
Linux can be tailored to resemble your current desktop, with a little imagination you could go as far as to start WIndows applications by clicking icons in your Linux desktop if necessary.
So no, training frankly is not a problem, productivity would not decrease or at worst it would decrease as much as it would once a new version of Windows is introduced. So nothing lost here.
-All the in house applications. Just about every desktop (or employee) makes use of in-house software, and a lot of our corporate apps runs only in windows. Port all our in-house built apps? Replace all them big corporate apps? That's far too time/money consuming to even be considered. Best case scenario, users would have to login to remote servers (citrix or such) or something along those lines. 99%+ of our intranet is ASP/ASP.Net pages too (using SQL server too)... This alone is a good reason to stick to windows
You gave the answer after which, ashamed of your astroturfing self, looked for an excuse to justify your IT master.
VNC.
Next.
-Management. I'm no linux guru, so there might be (very good) alternatives to do this with linux, but I'm not 100% sure. Everything across country is monitored by a central NOC 24/7 easily. We have Active Directory, SMS, VBScript/WMI and a whole lot of other mangement/scripting/automation/(...) options. Again, not too sure of what linux has to offer here... Sure thing is, you just can't take away all our tools, you'd definately have to have equivalents.
There are some equivalents out there which are FLOSS, otherwise the most important providers for this kind of software (BMC Patrol, Tivoli) support Linux.
So sorry, but no cigar.
-Exchange-like calendaring and everything else (shared mailboxes, boardroom booking,
This is all so intriguing. You as a client, as a user of software, are raising your request by referencing a particular vendor's implementation of an application. It looks like you went to MS, took a list of their product's specs, and included it in your request proposal.
Which is perfectly fine if you want to do that with your company (not sure if you would get away with such way of getting providers).
In a goverment dependency that approach would land your ass in jail (or it should).
But lets assume you need MS stuff. You have Citrix or VNC. Access them for your calendaring needs until a good replacement exists. Heck, pay MS to write that replacement for Linux. Even better, expropriate the code for goverment use in the name of national security (I am only half jocking here).
As for the formats, what is your objective: to safeguard your dependency's information or to subsidize MS?
File formats is the lamest excuse. New documents should be created with the new tools, for old documents you can have legacy machines (with Citrix or VNC, as suggested by yourself) where you can access them (and a team of state paid workers, could for once do something useful in converting the old documents to open formats).
As for sharing the documents, you are the goverment, right? You say how other entities share documents with you, not the other way around.
Computers and software have got away for far too long with shoddy design practices. "iti is good enough" has been the mantra of this industry for far too long.
I have got a life. I don't have time to download and inztall the firewall, the antivirus, a new browser, a new email program (you don't use Outlook I hope).
I bought a computer. it is suppossed to be fit for its purposes. Why it is not?
When a certain item was new it was OK to demand more involvement of the final users since the technology was not fully understood.
Now the computing industry is a mature industry, the end user should not need to be policing his machine, the manufacturers should provide the necessary tools to ensure the machine is safe to use.
That is why I like Linux. Install and ready to go, firewall configured, viruses unlikely.
What you are requesting is that people continue their masochist relationship with their tool. Sorry, but I don't buy it.
More "free" for the greedy coder.
Less free for the code.
If we were giving you 200 screwdrivers to screw a cross-screw you would choose a hammer.
Use Xandros and stop whining.
I see lack of choice (i.e, Windows, MacOS) as lack of progress.
I see freedom to choose amongst many alternative as progress.
The original poster was right. You don;t like what you see then get what you need or contribute towards what you would like to see (whining does not count as a contribution, hunting bugs, participating in development forums, adopting one application and helping to steer it in the correct direction, etc is what is needed. People whining for Windows or MacOS like functionality just don't understand the philosophy of Linux and GPLed software...).
It says "we Gnomeites don't care or have not got time for the pesky end users".
There. even if it is something you are giving away under the GPL, quality issues will hunt you and will hamper your aims: to have as many developpers and testers as possible.
The great parent poster is still correct. No matter how much you trust your intuition, lighting your wallet of .25 Kilo US$ for 1 minute of play is impulse buying of the worst class.
An adult buyer will check carefully that such expense is justified, but of course many companies count on mindless teenagers (or people behaving like such) in order to keep peddling their wares.
MS, yet again, uses dirty, no, immoral tricks, but, hey, to criticize that is not because MS deserves the criticism, but because it make us look cool in Slashdot.
Moron.
1 is stating the obvious Batman, thanks for pointing it out.
2 is subjective. But you would know that if you had passing knowledge about user interface design. So mooth point.
3, again is subjective, which means, yet again, it is irrlevant.
Suggestion: do not go into marketing, you are a company buster waiting to be left lose in the wild.
You should for one moment pause and think that radio may be much better in other places where people may benefit from a music player with radio reception capabilities.